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AZ: 2010 Sen (Rasmussen 5/17)

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Rasmussen
5/17/10; 1,000 likely voters, 3% margin of error
Mode: Automated phone
(Rasmussen release)

Arizona

2010 Senate
57% McCain (R), 28% Glassman (D)
49% Hayworth (R), 33% Glassman (D)

Favorable / Unfavorable
John McCain: 53 / 45
Rodney Glassman: 28 / 41
JD Hayworth: 45 / 44

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 39 / 60
Gov. Brewer: 64 / 35

 

Comments
Farleftandproud:

Unfortunately PC's don't have a swastika as one of the characters, but if they did, I think the people of Arizona have stooped to levels that are truly unamerican.

I was so glad the 2nd in command to Hillary Clinton in the state Dept took a swing at the racial profiling of Arizona's law, comparing it to Japanese Internment.

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djneedle83:

whites overwhelmingly support the immigration law no matter if they are liberal, moderate, or conservative. Call them out for racial bias, but they don't believe illegals benefit them in the wallet.

Nobody cares what Obama says on an issue if it represents the status quo --- the az law attempts to sovle the immigration even if it might turn out racist. Congress isn't talking amnesty anytime soon with a drugwar and A slow economic recovery.

Brewer's approval numbers are incredible even with all the pro illegal/migrant groups calling her a Hardcore racist. I'm a liberal white who supports the az law and have been called racist by Hispanic friends. I just don't support amnesty. The cbo says illegal tax revenue doesn't come close to match the costs. I think employers who hire illegals should pay the benefits for anchor babies. Think of walmart-- with their skummy practices.

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Farleftandproud:

It truly makes me scared about where our country is heading when I see Brewer's approval this high. I really don't know what our country is coming to.

We'll just see how libertarian people like Rand Paul will be when they are asked about issues such as these.

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Farleftandproud:

I don't doubt that supporting a law like what Arizona has isn't just a conservative thing. Half of registered Democrats support the law. That doesn't mean it is going to be effective or have success. I think it will fail, and in the past when other states tried such moves, it never worked. That is why we still have a problem with illegals.

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Field Marshal:

BUNK! OUTLIER! Ras is biased towards Republicans! WAAAA!!

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Farleftandproud:

The law will likely stay in place for a number of years, but I will boycott Arizona and encourage others to do the same. I really would love to go to Flagstaff and see the northern part of the state. I loved it when I was there before, but the law may be popular, but it isn't right to target a group of people. It was intended to make just illegals angry, but most hispanics will fight this, and many states around the country, even Austin Texas has boycotted Arizona.

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djneedle83:

Lol-- farleft please stop drinking the super leftist koolaid. I'm very liberal socially, but a fiscal conservative. Immigration is that sole issue where I see dems using amnesty talks as a potential way for new voters. They are doing it now. White dems will dump the party if this happens. This will prevent Obama to win in 2012.

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Farleftandproud:

No Dj Needle, I am not doing this as a far leftist. In fact I know some born again conservative Christians who were missionaries in Latin America and are not happy with the law.

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Field Marshal:

Farleft,

It truly makes me scared where this country is headed when i read posts from people like yourself. No offense but its truly scary.

The AZ law is just liberal hysteria because most other states have similar statutes. In fact, California has the same law almost verbatim. The only difference is the AZ used a lawful stop or arrest where California just used arrest so AZ can ask if you are stopped for suspected crime violation whereas California you have to be under arrest for committing a crime to be asked.

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djneedle83:

Build the damn fence and get some damm troops from the middle east to secure the border. I just can't support sanctuary cities. Now the crazy extreme liberals in San fran want illegals to have the chance to vote for school board elections. This is tragic in my eyes.

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Bob in SJ:

The bill, regardless of how you feel about it, means short term gains for Repulicans (as in McCain and Brewer beign re-elected easily), but most likely long term pain. Demographics is destiny.

I guess I'm just waiting for the first high-profile legal resident/citizen Latino to be detained or harassed because of the law. Or the when the first lawsuit is filed agaisnt a municipality that is not enforcing the new law "well" enough.

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Field Marshal:

Djneedle,

Yup, the liberals are destroying this country faster than you can say HOLA. But its all in the name of a strong Dem party. I think Republicans gains will be strong this November. However, the gains would have been better if the Dems hadn't been so destructive so fast. Its only been 14 months of one-party rule and the people are already up in arms. It took the GOP 5 years to accomplish the same thing. I think the GOP mismanagement is still too fresh in peoples heads. But that is changing fast.

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Stillow:

Bob in SJ - If someone breaks into your home tonight and steals all of your things....when you call the police are you going to give them a description of the person cinlduing color and gender? or will you refer the inturder as a human being with no description? Based on your dopy theory, police should not be able to use descritptive info on someone if that info contains race criteria.

Wht about when a woman has her purse stolen and tells the cop a young white male with brown hair did it.....when the police round up 7 or 8 young whtie males with brown hair for her to ID fro mthe dark room....are the ones who she does not positively ID have the right to sue now? sinc ethere only crime was they were young whtie guys with brown hair?

Racially profiling someone is not racist....if you liberals claim it is, then everything from police descriptions of suspects to affirmative action is racist.

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sjt22:

Build the damn fence and get some damm troops from the middle east to secure the border

They tried the fence. It cost a lot and didn't work.

Where are these troops supposed come from, exactly? The Armed Forces have been stretched to the breaking point by Bush's pair of failures.

Even if your grand ideas were made reality, how do we deal with the millions who are already living and working here?

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Stillow:

sjt22 - I dunno whats your plan for thsoe already working and living here? what do we normally do with people who break the law? Reward them? There must be punitive consequences for breaking the law...if not, then why have any laws at all? If you let them go with no penatly....then if I were a criminal in jail for saying stealing cars, I would file a lawsuit saying those people were given uneuqal and better treatment under the law than I was....I am force dto serve jail time for my breaking of the law, but when they broke the law they were rewarded with citizenship and benefits from tax payers.............


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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

If McCain wins look for him to start singing his own song again after the 2010 elections.

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Bob in SJ:

Stillow,

I guess my prime issue with the law is that it makes local law enforcement officials into immigration agents. I have no problem enforcing immigration laws, but I do not see it as the job of city cops. It boggs them down. And there will be profiling based on race, no doubt. I don't think that cops in AZ will be looking for illigals from Canada or Europe or even Asia. Thus, Latinos that are here legally will suffer from this law more than other people here legally.

Illigal immigration is a problem, but, IMO, this bill is not the solution. Eliminate the reason that they come here, employment, by throwing people who employ illiegals in jail, plain and simple.

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sjt22:

Racially profiling someone is not racist....if you liberals claim it is, then everything from police descriptions of suspects to affirmative action is racist.

Wow. Just wow.

You realize that the problem with racial profiling is when its used to harass people for no other reason then their skin color? Right? You realize that this is the objections, correct?

A black man pulled over or frisked for being black is racial profiling.

An arab who has his telephones illegally tapped because of he is Arab is racial profiling.

A latino forced to show his papers just because he is latino is racial profiling.

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sjt22:

I dunno whats your plan for thsoe already working and living here? what do we normally do with people who break the law? Reward them? There must be punitive consequences for breaking the law...if not, then why have any laws at all?

Ok, so that's your solution.

REALITY CHECK!

There are millions of illegal immigrants here. Your apparent solution is to arrest, imprison and/or deport them all. Great idea! All we need is a few million troops/INS agents, billions and billions and billions of dollars, and the political will to put this plan into effect. We would go broke imprisoning them, but since we don't have the jail space in the first place, I suppose we'll just have to deport them en masse. I'm sure that will be super easy.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Maybe if people would question why it is that so many employers do not WANT to hire full-fledged Americans?

Probably because they want to pay slave labor wages, which incidentally are somewhat better that what those people can get in Mexico or elsewhere.

Illegal immigration is evidence of capitalism at its finest. The lowest bidder getting the work done at the lowest possible price. Maximum efficiency. Why pay someone $10-12 an hour to do a job when you can pay them $25 a day? The fact is that Americans don't want the jobs these people take, at least not at the wages the illegals are willing to work for.

I'll reiterate my point that there has ALWAYS been a worker underclass in America and illegal immigrants are just the latest iteration.

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Stillow:

sjt22 - Then by your post we must now outlaw all police descriptions of suspects. In my example, those white guys with brown hair were profiled for absolutely no other reason than they were whtie guys with brown hair. We must now do away with police descriptions of suspects because if the suspect is black, then blacks will be profiled as the police conduct there searches.

Affirmative action must be outlawed, because it profiles people based on race.

Racial profiling is using information at your disposal. i will just assume that 95-100 percent of illegals aliens in AZ are from Mexico................

But again, you totally provide no alternative other than amnesty....which again will probably lead to lawsuits for unequal protection under the law......as they would be rewarded for breaking the law, others punished.

So are you prepared to ask for a ban on racial profiling of all types? Yes or no.

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pion:

FM:

"the liberals are destroying this country faster than you can say HOLA"

When you put it this eloquently, it's a wonder there are still liberals in America.

Stillow:

Racial profiling cuts both ways. A white Arizonan objects to being called racist for supporting the AZ law as much as a black person objects to being pulled over for driving in an expensive part of town (the so-called 'driving while black' phenomenon). Racial profiling is an extremely socially corrosive tool for law enforcement to use and it is not the same thing as providing a description of a suspect on the loose (I would like to think I don't have to explain why).

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Stillow:

Company's which hire, or I woudl argue, abuse illegal immigrants shoud be fined and punished severaly....evne as far as revoking their business licenses.

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Stillow:

pion - Really....? Its the same damn thing and you know it is. No matter how you look at it, your using race to profile people. Liberals though like to pick and choose racial profiling you like and then dismiss it when you don't like it. You love it when there are racial uotes at colleges, but hate it in terms of enforcing immigration law.

And if we choose not to punish people for breaking the law, then why have laws? What will be next? Perhaps we'll decide there are jus tto many rapists out there and we will grant them all amnesty and promise not to punish them? We have laws for a reason....you libs cannot start picking and choosing which ones you want to enforce....that is called, ummm, anarchy.

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Farleftandproud:

Time will tell if my predictions come true about the theory of Arizona's law. I don't think I am crazy just because I believe there are birthers in Arizona's legislature. I don't think Gov. Brewer would have disrespected President Bush in the same way as singling out Obama for not doing anything about immigration reform.

I still believe that Arizona's law will be a failure because illegals will come to other states like Texas, CA and New Mexico. They will be more likely to join their family in Arizona and they would probably fit in fine. The illegals hate their country so much with all the violence that they will still find a way into the country. The only solution to the problem would be to build a huge Berlin style wall with electric fences. Could you imagine how much something like that would cost? It would increase our deficit even more.

I am not Hispanic, and I am from a state that has one of the lowest Latino populations in the country. I do know that a lot of carpentry jobs from out of state companies have hired illegals to build motels and other things. They pay them like $3 an hour. I totally agree that these reprehensible people who hire illegal aliens should pay a fine and be charged with a felony. Now that is something that would make sense.

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Farleftandproud:

farleft please stop drinking the super leftist koolaid. I'm very liberal socially, but a fiscal conservative. Immigration is that sole issue where I see dems using amnesty talks as a potential way for new voters. They are doing it now. White dems will dump the party if this happens. This will prevent Obama to win in 2012.

The Amnesty was George Bush's idea and to his credit he tried immigration reform, but the righties in his party fought it.

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Stillow:

What do you liberals tell the five children of the AZ man killed by an illegal alien, who should never have been here and probably would not have been if our borders were properly secured? What do you tell the 6 yr old girl when she asks you why is my daddy gone? Why are you liberals do dismissive of her feelings, but so willing to defend the feelings of illegal immigrants?

We have laws for a reason, its to keep society intact and governable. Without law and without punishment for breaking that law, we have totaly chaos and anarchy.

You libs are supposed to be the touchy feely sensitive types, so what do you tell the little girl who looks at you and asks where her dad is?

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Farleftandproud:

What do you liberals tell the five children of the AZ man killed by an illegal alien, who should never have been here and probably would not have been if our borders were properly secured?

It is a terrible tragedy, and the guy should be punished with his life, but it still doesn't justify threatening the rights of those who may or may not be here illegally.

Think of all the legal residents who commit Capital Crimes and had been in prison before. Look at Ted Bundy or Charles Manson. They weren't illegals. The US Military allowed that recent shooter in Texas to be a counselor of all things, and they didn't do anything about his erratic behavior and anti American statements. Why not blame the military for not firing this guy?

What do you tell the 6 yr old girl when she asks you why is my daddy gone? Why are you liberals do dismissive of her feelings, but so willing to defend the feelings of illegal immigrants?

I will say that most of the people who are contractors and thrive on cheap labor are not liberals. They are abusive and corrupt entrepeneurs. They cater to illegals and exploit them. Again this can't be pinned on liberals.

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pion:

Stillow:

"Its the same damn thing and you know it is"

No it isn't. Profiling refers to using perceived statistical patterns to pay particular attention to an individual belonging to a specific group, whether or not the individual in question is suspect in any other ways. Describing a burglar on the loose has nothing to do with statistics. As for racial quotas in college admissions, I'm against them so that point is moot.

As for punishment for breaking immigration laws, it doesn't have to be prison. I simply don't think of a poor chap illegally crossing the border to look for a job as equivalent to burglary. The fact is that it is not possible to capture, jail and deport 12 million people. The only solution, as I see it, is to:

1) secure the border
2) fine undocumented workers already living and working here
3) give them a path to citizenship

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Farleftandproud:

Targeting all hispanics in Arizona after a few isolated incidents of them killing people and letting this be a reason to target a group of people is truly a witch hunt. I am more scared at our own people released from prison and are not rehabilitated and may kill again. There are a lot more parolees we should be afraid of than illegals. I see this whole thing as just another witch hunt.

I liked the comment about arresting illegals and deporting them will not solve the problem, and imprisoning them will only fill up Arizona's prisons which would be costly.

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Field Marshal:

I don't think I am crazy just because I believe there are birthers in Arizona's legislature.

Farleft, if you know you are crazy, then you are not really crazy. If you think you're not, then most likely you are! Get me?

Stillow,

You are talking to a brick wall when it comes to the AZ law. You might as well be talking ancient greek to a raccoon. Facts and logic are useless in this discussion. Insanity rules with most liberals. Throwing out the most absurd accusations and rationalities is most on the lefts MO.

SJt,

The fence is only 2/3rds complete so it really hasn't been tried yet. In areas where the new fence has been built, estimates are the crosings have fallen 90+%.

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bigfoot9p6:

FM. Read the following and tell me how its totally irrational and insane:
You are talking to a brick wall when it comes to the AZ law. You might as well be talking ancient greek to a raccoon. Facts and logic are useless in this discussion. Insanity rules with most conservatives. Throwing out the most absurd accusations and rationalities is most on the rights MO.

See how dumb you make yourself look?

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sjt22:

Then by your post we must now outlaw all police descriptions of suspects. In my example, those white guys with brown hair were profiled for absolutely no other reason than they were whtie guys with brown hair.

No, in your example they were profiled because the matched the description of a known suspect who committed an actual crime. If you really think that THIS is the same as harassing and arresting people just because they happen to be black, latino or whatever, then I can't really help you.

Racial profiling is using information at your disposal. i will just assume that 95-100 percent of illegals aliens in AZ are from Mexico

But 95-100 percent of Latino Americans are NOT illegal immigrants. The big problem here, and I really don't see how you can't see it, is that actual US citizens have been and will be harassed because they are latino. Is it right to harass, frisk, arrest, detain or imprison US citizens without probable cause? Is this what you think will solve the problem?

Do you not see the flagrant problems with this? Its like saying that since most crimes are comitted by men, then all men should be subject to illegal search and seizure at any time. You never know who might be a criminal.

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sjt22:

@ FM

DHS said themselves that the virtual fence was a total failure. They spent 2 billion dollars on it and it didn't do a thing.

Build a fence 100 feet tall for all I care, you still have to deal with the 12 million who are already here.

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Bigmike:

Bob in SJ:

I guess my prime issue with the law is that it makes local law enforcement officials into immigration agents. I have no problem enforcing immigration laws, but I do not see it as the job of city cops.

It isn't supposed to be the job of city cops. It is supposed to be the federal govt's job. But they won't do their job. Therein lies the problem.

As for the boycotts of AZ, just remember turnabout is fair play. I heard somewhere that LA gets 25% of it's electricity from AZ. Be a shame if a couple of fuses blew somewhere and that supply was cut off.

I could go for the militarize the border option. As long as the ROE let our military use their guns when they feel it is necessary to defend themselves.

It is racial profiling, and wrong, if you use something like the color of a persons skin to suspect them of a crime. No one can control the circumstances of their birth. But using things like someones ability to speak English does not fall into that category, in my opinion.

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Stillow:

pion - Its the same thing because using your theory of statisitcal information.....the overwhelming majoirty of illegal immigrants in AZ are latino. So why not pay more attention to the group statisitcally mroe relevant? Hmmmm? Your argumetn holds no water my freind.

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Farleftandproud:

FM, I am not crazy just for saying a certain law is going to be a failure. There is nothing crazy about opposing a law that 1/3 of Americans are angry about, and targets a entire race of people by profiling them. There will be a lot more victims of profiling with the new law and they won't be going after illegals. There will be tons of lawsuits, and in the end it will be a waste of time and money.

You can disagree with that, but to say I am crazy because of my opinions is psychotalk!

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pion:

Bigmike:

"I could go for the militarize the border option. As long as the ROE let our military use their guns when they feel it is necessary to defend themselves."

Are we talking about both the Canadian and Mexican borders? Do you have any idea how expensive that would be not to mention the cost in good will from our neighbors?

Are undocumented workers such a burden that militarizing our borders makes any sense? I have yet to see a convincing argument that illegal immigrants are a weight our our economy and I live in Southern California.

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Stillow:

No one is harassing latino's.....they are being asked to proide legit ID.....the same way I have to do so if i am pulled over by a cop.

So I guess no liberal has a comment on the fact you feel breaking the law is simply okay and should be rewarded...nor do you have any comment to the girl whose father was killed.

Instead you make braud untrue accusations of harassment. If we are just going to say immigration laws do not matter, can i get you liberals to also say income tax laws don't matter so I don't have to give 35 percnet of my money to the g'ment? Can we all just start picking and choosing which laws we will obey and which we won't.

What abotu euqal protection under the law? Lets throw that out too....If 99 percent of illegals in AZ are latino, lets ignore that fact.

Something tells me if Mexico had a roblem with whties illegally migrating to there country they would woudl racially profile whites....

liberals want chaos and anarchy. You have no solution other than amnesty for all...having wide open borders.

Racially profiling in temrs of police suspect descriptions are no different than racially profiling using statistical information of who is illegal and who is not in AZ.

Or should we dismiss all that and allow more little girls to have there fathers killed at the hands of those who should nto have been here?

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Farleftandproud:

I would like to compare Keith Olbermann and Rush Limbaugh and go to Fact Check. com and see who would have a better score.

I don't think anyone could ever top Limbaugh's comment that the "Volcanos in Iceland were due to the crisis of Health reform".

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pion:

Stillow:

"the overwhelming majoirty of illegal immigrants in AZ are latino. So why not pay more attention to the group statisitcally mroe relevant"

Because it's not fair to the majority of Latinos who are legal residents. Furthermore, racial profiling is unconstitutional. See U.S. v. Montero-Camargo.

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Stillow:

pion - Mexico has its military on its southern border to protect against illegal crossings....hmmmmm, whats good for the goose is good for the gander, no? Why is it not racist when Mexico does it, but it is if we do it?

Benefits, everything from education to costs of having illegals in our prison system costs us a ton of money, far mroe than illegals put back intothe system.

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Farleftandproud:

What do the righties think about this? A few illegals commit heinous crimes and the legislature starts a new racial profiling campaign. It is implying that Hispanics have a greater tendancy to Violence.

What about protecting your 2nd ammendment right? Conservatives hate it when politicians pass tougher gun laws. You get a few cases of maniacs using handguns to kill children and families and start longer waiting periods for handguns. Personally I wouldn't support such measures, but it is the same kind of thing when you pass tough laws due to a few unfortunate incidents.

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Stillow:

pion - Then police rounding people up based entireley on racial profiling from a description is the same thing...if the suspect is described as a black female and police only target black females.....then 99.999999999 percent of all black females would be innocent, but yet some of them rounded up anyway, entirely based o nthe fact that they may be a black female. Your argumetn doesn't hold up man.Its the same thing.

Anohter example, anti g'ment neo nazi terrorist groups re usually white males who beleiv inall that hwite power crap, crazy right wing militiass, etc.....don't you think its a little more wise to keep a closer eye on say white males in those areas than say latino females? The answer is YES it does.Even though 99.999 percent of white males i nthat area are rpobably nto part of a neo nazi group, but probably nearly 100 percent of neo nazi's are white males.......it makes sense to keep an eye on white males in that area rather than antoher demographic....

This is freaking common sense stuff.

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Farleftandproud:

Stillow: "liberals want chaos and anarchy. "

Nah, I'll leave that up to Rand Paul to try to eliminate the Civil rights act. Than we'll really have some angry people out there.

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Stillow:

farleft - Anyone who beleive sin amnesty and implementing no punishment for breaking of laws is an anarchist.....it is what it is....you refuse to enforce the law, then you have anarchy.....its a real "inconvenient truth" for your libs, but again, it is what it is.

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Farleftandproud:

Best comment I have seen yet today. "There are millions of illegal immigrants here. Your apparent solution is to arrest, imprison and/or deport them all. Great idea! All we need is a few million troops/INS agents, billions and billions and billions of dollars, and the political will to put this plan into effect. We would go broke imprisoning them, but since we don't have the jail space in the first place, I suppose we'll just have to deport them en masse. I'm sure that will be super easy. "

Very well worded. Now this is too much government spending!!! Does this mean Arizona may have to raise their taxes to pay for all of this stuff.

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Farleftandproud:

I never said that there shouldn't be immigration reform Stillow. In fact, if states want to pay for it, they should build a Berlin wall. Better to do that than arrest illegals, and throw them in jail.I am not opposed to this law because I am a civil libertarian, I think it isn't going to solve the problem.

The reason they passed the law is because there is inadequate border security. If Obama isn't taking action on this issue, I would like to see more house and Senate Republicans hound him and make it a higher priority! I just don't see them wanting to take on the issue either.

I want to increase our border security and have better intelligence. I think local police don't have the rescources or expertise to deal with an issue this rough.

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jamesia:

I think it's important to note that both sides, liberal and conservative, know that illegals are a problem. Conservatives seem more intent on correcting the problem by punishing people, while liberals seem more intent on correcting the problem by punishing businesses and landlords that make it attractive to jump the fence in the first place.

Much more effective reforms would strip corporations of their articles for hiring illegals thereby circumventing federal law. Something similar for landlords. It can't be monetary because there'll always be a cost vs benefit analysis: will a corporation make money by hiring illegals for cheap and paying fines, or by hiring Americans? Then, the more aggressive the fines, the cheaper the illegal wages to counter it. It's better to kill the business for a few years as "jail time" for the corporate personhood.

You won't see this though as power brokers on both sides are corporatist. Better to let the rightwingers have expensive, populist laws instead. The more expensive it becomes, the greater the impetus to re-elect the law's inactors - obviously more work needs to be done!

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Stillow:

Real logical, lets do nothing with millions of people who break the law....hell lets save more money by doing anothing about others who break the law...lets stop going after car theieves or axe murderers too.....why have laws anyway....they just get i nthe way right? Its just to expensive.....and its just to difficult to enforce our laws.....

Wooo hooo, anarcgy!

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pion:

Stillow:

"Mexico has its military on its southern border to protect against illegal crossings....hmmmmm, whats good for the goose is good for the gander, no? Why is it not racist when Mexico does it, but it is if we do it?"

It's not because Mexico does it that we should.

"Benefits, everything from education to costs of having illegals in our prison system costs us a ton of money, far mroe than illegals put back intothe system."

The vast majority of illegal immigrants are not in prison; as for Latinos in prisons, how many of them are not legal residents? Do you happen to have a number? With respect to how undocumented workers contribute to the economy, consider that for those using fake SSN's, they actually contribute by paying social security and medicare taxes they will probably never benefit from; they contribute by buying local goods and paying sales taxes.; they also contribute by paying for local services. They also contribute by the richness of their culture. Anyway Stillow, I have to go-we'll lock horns some other time.

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Farleftandproud:

Yeah, but those Mexican troops take bribes from poor mexicans who probably saved up money just to pay them off for clearence over the border. They are so corrupt in Mexico and it's government has no control over the bafoons who guard the border.

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Stillow:

pion - It was a good debate, thanks.

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djneedle83:

I saw the nightly news and Michelle Obama was speaking at an all girls school as part of the Mexican president's arrival. Some 5 year old Hispanic girl asked Michelle why her mom told her that Obama is taking away people who don't have their papers. Are you kidding me? So when does Arizona shut off part of la's power?

Message to Hispanics -- you threaten Obama that you won't vote if you don't get amnesty. It's not going to happen this year since zero republicans will cross the senate aisle. The dems don't need Hispanics. The religous right does the same shit. It's all or nothing. Screw them!!

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djneedle83:

I saw the nightly news and Michelle Obama was speaking at an all girls school as part of the Mexican president's arrival. Some 5 year old Hispanic girl asked Michelle why her mom told her that Obama is taking away people who don't have their papers. Are you kidding me? So when does Arizona shut off part of la's power?

Message to Hispanics -- you threaten Obama that you won't vote if you don't get amnesty. It's not going to happen this year since zero republicans will cross the senate aisle. The dems don't need Hispanics. The religous right does the same shit. It's all or nothing. Screw them!!

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Coldfusion:

Field Marshall

It truly makes me scared for where humanity is headed when i read posts from people like yourself. No offense but its truly scary.

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obamalover:

Tea Party candidate and libertarian icon Rand Paul won't say whether he would support the Civil Rights Act.

Conservatives complain and whine when liberals call them racists. Well if you don't want to be called one don't act like one. Otherwise I'll continue to point out the obvious.

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StatyPolly:

Bob in SJ,

>>>I guess my prime issue with the law is that it makes local law enforcement officials into immigration agents. I have no problem enforcing immigration laws, but I do not see it as the job of city cops.

Nice theory, but are the feds doing anything about AZ problems? Drug and human traffickers are operating in all neighborhoods in Phoenix and the rest of the state. I bet if there were a strong house on your block, or your family member became a victim of crime by an illegal, you'd be screaming for your local cops to fix it.

Right?

Right?

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lat:

You are under arrest for washing dishes and scrubbing toilets! You must be here legally in order to do that! By scrubbing these toilets you are ruining this country!

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lat:

Ok... Rand Paul is a hell of a guy. Can't seem to give a straight answer on whether private places have the right to discriminate based on race, in addition to whether he would have voted for the civil rights act? Excellent! Az has done it's best to piss off Hispanic voters maybe Ky can equal that by doing the same with Black voters? Jack Conway has a smile on this morning from end to end.

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Fred:

Some of you are saying that a fence won't work because millions are already here.

If water was flooding a house through a hole, would you get rid of the water first that is already in the house, while more continues to pour in, or would you patch up the hole first, and then remove the water that is in the house?

Think about it, and I think we will begin to agree on the first step to taking care of this illegal immigration problem.

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Field Marshal:

It truly makes me scared for where humanity is headed when i read posts from people like yourself. No offense but its truly scary.

What an original post? Man, where did i just see that written???

Lack of creativity AND intelligence. Figures. Liberals only know how to repeat lies and misinformation told to them by the mainstream medai and DNC so this is typical.

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Field Marshal:

Jamesia,

I think the argument that conservatives are FOR illegal immigration because of the cheap labor is false. Here in Colorado, conservatives have tried many times to get a referendum on the ballot whereby it would be a criminal offense to the business owner if they hired an illegal alien. However, the Dems have blocked this from coming to fruition several times now. In this one state, its not the GOP who are cozy with business.

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Field Marshal:

I love Arizona!

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TeaPartyRules:

Farleft,
Let me help save you some time in your quest for a perfect communist world. It already exists, it's called China. You're wasting your time here.

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Ned:

Many of u misinformed libs and neocons need to seriously consider buying crosstabs. A majority of african americans also support "papers please". Not because of crimes but because of jobs. Stop believing everything u see on fox and msnbc.

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Ned:

Many of u misinformed libs and neocons need to seriously consider buying crosstabs. A majority of african americans also support "papers please". Not because of crimes but because of jobs. Stop believing everything u see on fox and msnbc.

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