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CA: Schwarzenegger Approval (Field 9/18-10/5)


Field
9/18-10/5/09; 1,005 registered voters, 3.2% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Field release)

California

Job Approval / Disapproval
Gov. Schwarzenneger: 27 / 65 (chart)

 

Comments
RaleighNC:

Well, when you stab the base in the back you get approval numbers like this. Just ask George Bush (either of them).

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Stillow:

Lets see, the last two govenrors in CA, both very liberal have approval ratings below that of Bush. Yet CA in their collective genius will vote for another liberal.

Its actually quite fascinating from a human aspect watching people literally destory their own lives. The wisdom of the individual is plastered by the collective stupidity of the masses.

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Aaron_in_TX:

The conservative disdain for ideological positions other than their own continues. Stillow, I hope you never set foot in California.

What California has is a consequence of the 2/3 supermajority needed to change the tax code. Rick Perry wants to do that here in Texas, so he'll take us down the same path.

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Stillow:

I know, even though CA has been dominated by libs for years now, its all the GOP's fault. I know, I've heard the excuses before. CA will continue voting for liberals, from bot haprties and they will continue to break themselves until totally broken. I lived in CA for years, was born there. Both my parents live there until they retire next fall when they will be moving to NV wher eit is much cheaper to retire.

Detroit, or all of MI for tha tmatter, same thing,run by libs forever now and the state is in bad bad shape.

reporter "Where did obama get the money"
Detroit citizen "from hsi stash"

Heheheh, liberals, gimme gimme gimme.

CA, run by Dems, but its the GOP's fault....liberal logic, gotta love it.

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Aaron_in_TX:

You could move here to Texas, where the state is woefully backlogged on food stamp and unemployment applications. But the governor says to people who have lost their jobs "Don't worry, you'll get your money....sometime."

Also where our schools are among the worst in the nation, where we spend far less per student and wonder why we have such a high dropout rate.

Where we have the higest proportion of uninsured people in the country.

Yeah, this place is paradise. I guess we do have the advantage of lower home prices. It's all relative, Stillow. Conservative states aren't necessarily better, they just have a different set of problems.

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Aaron_in_TX:

I forgot to mention that Texas is also one of the unhealthiest states in the country.

That probably has something to do with the fact that we have the best and cheapest Mexican food in the country.

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Aaron_in_TX:

I forgot to mention that Texas is also one of the unhealthiest states in the country.

That probably has something to do with the fact that we have the best and cheapest Mexican food in the country.

Also fewer public parks, public libraries, and it goes on. When I lived in Massachusetts, I was amazed at the number, quality and level of use of their libraries. Also the much healthier food options and more people that exercise.

Things are cheaper here in Texas, but you get what you pay for in many respects. We do have some advantages over other states, though.

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sjt22:

Arnold a liberal? When did he leave the Republican party? I must have been mistaken when he was re-elected in a race with a Democratic Challenger.

To be fair to Arnold, his hands are pretty much tied. He can't raise taxes, and he didn't cause the economy to go into the toilet (hence the plunging government revenues), so really his only option is to cut cut cut the budget. To his credit, that's what he did, at least where he was able to because there are also restrictions on what he could cut.

All of these things add up to low approval rating for him, which I suspect are really reflections of the general frustration with the whole process, over which Arnold is basically powerless.

Conservatives (yes, we do have quite a few in CA) dislike him because he doesn't cut the budget down to nothing and turn our state into Texas. Liberals don't like him because his party has basically held a gun to the state's head. And I suspect that most people are low information but are just fed up with the whole thing, and since Arnold's at the blame goes to him.

Even if Arnold were the staunchest of conservatives he would still face these problems. Even if he was a liberal he would still be in the same boat, just like Gray Davis was.

As for his ratings being lower than Bush, W hit 18%. Still some room to go. Keep in mind that CA voted against him both times, so it was Bush's supporters that fall into your "collective stupidity" model here.

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Stillow:

Aaron_in_TX:

Did you notice everything you mentioned is all g'ment run? Food stamps, unemployment benefits, education...all run by g'ment and are all falling apart.....I rest my case.

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Stillow:

sjt22

You guys get so stuck on the D and R. You can be liberal or conservative and belong to either party. Arnold is a liberal republican. If you tell me Arnold is conservative then the discussion has to end due to you being totally insane.

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Stillow:

Aaron_in_TX:

We do agree on oen thing, TX does have the best mexican food. I own rental properties in Richardson and love the local mexican grills.

Look, see, food is brining us together.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Did you notice everything you mentioned is all g'ment run? Food stamps, unemployment benefits, education...all run by g'ment and are all falling apart.....I rest my case."

Well, without the g'ment, food stamps, public education, etc.. wouldn't be there at all. Then the south would basically still be a 3rd world country like it was prior to the New Deal era. You want to go back to that?

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Wong:

@Stillow

"The wisdom of the individual is plastered by the collective stupidity of the masses"

You could take that statement right out of "Mein Kampf" It reflects a disdain for democratic principles and a full embrace of the "strong leader" tyrant. Has your ideological stupor driven you that far?

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Stillow:

Wong

Are you smoking today? A collective is always more stupid than an indivudal. Go study mob rule and mob mentaility. Since you brought up Hitler's book, you should know Hitler was a statist, who thrived on the stupidty of the masses. Individually there is no way average Germans would stand by watching Jews get thrown into ovens...but collectively, the mob mentaility takes over.

Lets say your on one side of a hill and over the hill comes running 1,000 people screaming....by instinct you will begin running with them away from whateve ris on the other side of the hill,not ever knowing what it was. So yes, collectively people are stupid, they ar herded like sheep. When placed in an indivudal test, people will make much better decisions.

Aaron_in_TX:

Nope, what I would like is a conservative enviroment that allows people to prospure so there is n oneed for such welfare programs. There's a reason private school kids outperform public school kids. My private long term disability insurance whic hI added an unemployment option to is far superior to that which g'ment gives me if I am laid off. I will receive 40 percent of my annual income for 36 months.....guess what icosts me? Wait for it, wait for it...............$18.25 a month. Far less than what I or my emloyer has to pay in taxes.

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Wong:

If the individual always makes better decisions than the collective, then you must reject the notion of democratic institutions. No need for such nonsense. Much better, according to your simplistic political theory, to embrace the authoritarian individual, the superior individual as the decision-maker. And since the masses always act less rational than the individual, no need for those pesky elections.

This is the theoretical and philosophical foundation of fascism and is as antithetical to democratic ideals as can be imagined.

By the way, I am smoking HOT today. Hehehe

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Stillow:

Man, your expalingina liberal. It is liberals who beelive in a ruling elite or ruling leader who is better equipped to make their decisions for them......your way off base here. Its liberals who thrive on having a so called intelectual superior group or groups run there lives. Conservatives favor smaller g'ment and more localized g'ment where the indivudal needs and wishes are better refelcted. It is libs who favor the huge centralized g'ment with a ruling class to oversee it all, who is out of touch with the individual. Go look at the Detroit thing last week when they all lined up for free money, that is mob mentaility, people are are suckers, controlled by obama.

Its liberals who favor authoritarianism...libs love Castro...a dictator. its you guys who favor that collective herd mentaility....you herd yourselve sinto big large groups and then wait for your g'ment to herd you around.

You ar enot making any sense at all....you seem to be extrmely confused on what a liberl and conservative are. A conservative wants g'ment to leave you alone, let you live your life, let you keep your money and make your own decisions...it is liberals who attempt to control every aspect of our behavior and make our decisions for us....

You really need to do more research on what a liberal is, cus what your slamming me for is exactly what you beleive in. Wow, astonishing.

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Stillow:

Wong

You do realize most dictatorhips are left wing right? Hugo, Castro, China, former soviet union, Hitler, etc...all far left wingers who favored total state run business, health care and thrived on the collective stupdity of their people. You do know that the nazi's were the national socialist party right? Liberals thrive on authoritarianism.

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Wong:

Maybe a night class or two in political theory would increase your understanding of just how wrong you are. Fascism and consequently Nazism arose to counter rising communism in Europe at the end of WWI. They were the far right, champions of nationalism, the strong individual, and cultural purity. The National Socialist party was socialist in name only, financed by the big industrialists, Krupp, Mercedez, et al.

Liberals despise authoritarianism whether from the left(bolshevism) or the right(fascism) Recent attempts by the intellectually ignorant to conflate the two ignore the historical and theoretical foundations of the vast differences between the two.

Liberals, rather, choose to embrace the wisdom of the collective through democratic institutions such as our Constitution. To paraphrase Churchill, democracy is messy and ugly and a terrible way to organize humanity, but it is better than any of the alternatives.

I'm reading a book right now, Paris 1919, by Margaret McMillan It is a fascinating telling of the Peace accords which carved up Europe in the aftermath of WWI. I would suggest it to you for historical context,.. and a good read.

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Stillow:

You are a perfect example of a brain washed liberal. Liberals despise authoritairan figures? i guess all the toehr libs didn't get the message, ie castro for example.

Nazi's were statists, they championed state run business and health care. They also disarmed there population....shhh, dont tell anyone, but thsoe are all left wing ideas.

We will agree to disagree on this one, cus I am not sure I can get thru the brainwashing on this.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"I'm reading a book right now, Paris 1919, by Margaret McMillan"

That's an excellent book. I'd also suggest the new book on T. Roosevelt by Douglas Brinkley if you're interested in that period of time.

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Stillow:

Speaking of books, wasn't it the famou left wing iconic figure Marx who wrote only 5 percent of people are actually able to think for themselves, the other 95 percent require the state to do it for them...haven't read marx since college (long tiem ago)....but i am almost sure he was the one who wrote that...maybe one of you libs can clarify if that was him or not.

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platanoman:

Isn't it funny how Republicans now label the Governator a "liberal" when he failed?

This what Larry Kudlow said: "I'm also confident that Arnold Schwarzenegger will rejuvenate conservative politics and its influence on the nation."

http://www.nationalreview.com/kudlow/kudlow200310100906.asp

Hahaha. Hillarious

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Stillow:

Go back and wath the debates, Arnold talked like a conservative. He governed like a liberal...hmmm, just like Bush actually, talked about conservatism to get elected, hten governed like a liberal. High taxes, big g'ment, more entitlements....way to go libs! its working out fantastic!

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Aaron_in_TX:

" only 5 percent of people are actually able to think for themselves, the other 95 percent require the state to do it for them"

I'm not greatly familiar with Marx, but that doesn't sound like something he said. Marxism was not "the state controls everything," which would be more Stalinism or Maoism. Marxism involved worker revolution and worker-owned production. Marx didn't believe in an authoritarian state. The people in the 20th century like Lenin and Stalin that bastardized his concepts would have revolted him.

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Stillow:

You may be right that is was not him, it was long time ago, I just recall reading that in college from some famous lefty and was like what the ....but I honestly can't remember hwo it is and I am to lazy to go look it up.

Even though this site is a hangout for mostly libs, a great book is Levin's latest, liberty and tyrany, fantastic read, even for libs so you can get inthe mind of a true conservative.

Oddly enough I also enjoyed colme's book red whtie and liberal...I must be going slightly crazy.

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platanoman:

Levin has a great book? That hack. You have to be kidding me.,

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Stillow:

it was #1 on the best seller list, you shoudl get out more.

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Xenobion:

The Terminator did well in CA. I largely believe that he made some brash decisions to mitigate the inevitable impact that state was coming to face. But nothing could stop it. Prop 13 and CEQA create the budget shortfalls and the overriding expense to do business in Cali. The building bubble was for second homes that suddenly noone was living in.

Anyways, Cali eats its governors alive, liberal or conservative.

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RAG2:

@Stillow:

Anyone who thinks Hitler was a "liberal" didn't study history. Hitler was a right-wing nut--he instituted censorship, he rolled back civil liberties--like Dubya on extreme steroids! You probably also think that Canada and all the Western European nations--all which have Gauranteed Universal Health Care, and all which fought with us in NATO against the Warsaw Pact--are "communist" countries. In fact, they're all democracies and very capitalistic--just not as fundamentalistic about it as we are. To have an absolute faith in the free markets to cure all social ills is just as bad as having an absolute faith in government to fix everything. Some problems require gov't solutions, some require free-mkt solutions, and many--like health-care--require both institutions, working together to complement each other.

By the way, comparing BO to AH is SO the pot calling the kettle "black". Since when has BO demonized his opponents? Right-wing talking heads like RL, SH, B O'R, JO, AC, and GB are always talking about anyone who's different from them, disagrees with them, or has anything else they don't like as if they're all capable of no good, individually and collectively to blame for every social ill, and better off gone. Compare the people Hitler demonized--and the way he did so--to the people RL and GB demonize. I'm sure that if GB were running the country, people like me would be on our way to the ovens in no time!

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