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CA: Whitman 47%, Brown 46% (Rasmussen 7/12)

Topics: California , Governor , poll

Rasmussen
7/12/10; 500 likely voters, 4.5% margin of error
Mode: Automated phone
(Rasmussen release)

California

2010 Governor
47% Whitman (R), 46% Brown (D) (chart)

Favorable / Unfavorable
Meg Whitman: 49 / 44
Jerry Brown: 47 / 48

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 57 / 42 (chart)
Gov. Schwarzenegger: 28 / 71 (chart)

 

Comments
obamalover:

Jerry Brown hasn't really started campaigning as of yet since he doesn't have the self-funded war chest of Whitman. Things should change when he does.

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Louis:

this race could be close. Brown has been around along time and has picked up his supporters and detractors over the years. Whitman whatever you think of her will be seen as a fresh face. The strong Democratic numbers in California should give Brown the edge but it is not a sone deal.

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Field Marshal:

I think Whitman has a better than 50/50 shot at this race. Brown just has too much baggage from his prior stint at Governor plus his nutty Buddhist/zen thing, radio show, Oakland mayor etc.

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obamalover:

@FM

You are such a fool. You keep on trying to convince people that you guys are not bigots, then you have the audacity to call someone's religion (a major religion) nutty. You just can't help from saying bigoted smut can you FM? Shameful.

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Field Marshal:

OL,

You calling me a fool just makes me think i'm doing everything right. Then you throw in your obligatory racist/bigot charge and I KNOW that i'm doing something right.

You're fairly pathetic and as transparent as glass. You're a one-trick pony with the intelligence of Pelosi. (hint: that's not a compliment).

Not that i think i need to defend myself from a lowlife like yourself but that is not his religion. Brown, as you may know, but since you know little probably not, went on this whole weird existential acid trip zen thing through Asia and soon received the nickname 'Moonbeam' because of it. While that may resonate with the loony's in SF, i doubt it will with catholic hispanics or suburban family values voters.

I like all religion. I have no problems with people of ANY faith. My problem is people without any sort of faith. I feel sorry for those people.

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obamalover:

@FM

You can't backtrack fast enough can you? Unfortunately you have to lie to cover up your bigotry. Jerry Brown got the nickname "Moonbeam" for proposing the establishment of a state space academy. This whole acid thing is just something you made up to cover up your own bigotry. Shameful.

Newsflash: Most Buddhists don't do acid. But something I have learned is that the beliefs of bigots like you are usually based on ignorance. This is just one example.

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Mark in LA:

"My problem is people without any sort of faith. I feel sorry for those people."

My Catholic faith has been an asset to me, but the more I see believers, especially Christians, behave condescendingly towards atheists, agnostics, and other groups, the more I question religion in general.

It has reached the point in Alabama where the GOP candidates for Governor had to argue among themselves about who was the strongest creationist / anti-evolutionist.

That's the ugly side of religion.

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vincent106:

I see Obamablower is at it again with his cries of bigotry and racism. The fact that he has the nerve to call others pathetic is pathetic in itsefl.

Dude dont you get tired of writing the same thing every single day of the year? Give it a rest! Actually dont you give indepdents and conservo democraps a reason to note for blue.

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GoTo123:

This one will be interesting to watch. I really have no idea who will win at this point.

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obamalover:

@vincent106

When you decide to write in coherent sentences I will respond to you.

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Field Marshal:

Mark in LA,

I do not see the same condescension that you do. I simply feel bad that people cannot see something more powerful than themselves.

I would argue the ugly side of atheism is much more prevalent. Do you not feel the same questioning when people on your side of the aisle are bigots and make derogatory remarks towards people of faith? The more i see the far-left disparage people of faith calling religion mythology or saying people of faith are idiots etc.- the Jeanine Garafolo/ Bill Maher types- the more hopeful for the future I am that the far-left will push away hispanics and blacks over time.

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lat:

Field Marshall,

Does that include evangelicals (whom I absolutely despise and don't hide it) who call themselves good christians and them call someone who is jewish a "christ killer", a "traitor", "won't get to heaven", etc? I am just curious if that fits into your definition because as I have shared many times that is what my wife endured for years growing up in SC. Good Christians? They don't know what that means.

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Mark in LA:

"The more i see the far-left disparage people of faith calling religion mythology or saying people of faith are idiots etc."

The other side of the bigotry is quite prevalent on Left-wing sites like Daily Kos and HuffingtonPost. I get real unpopular when I point their bigotries out.

Come to think of it, I'm probably not too popular at any political website.

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dpearl:

Religion, science, or politics - I prefer people that search for the truth. I worry about those who have found it.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"the Jeanine Garafolo/ Bill Maher types"

Unfortunately the religious left has been devastated, which according to a presbyterian minister friend of mine, started in the 60s.

That leaves people like Maher to speak for liberals because they don't really have a church to speak for them. The rightward turn of prostestant christianity in the U.S. in general pushed a lot of liberal people away from religion.

I find that tragic. IMO, the Bible has a bunch of validations for a liberal worldview, but if you go to any given church (except maybe Episcopalian), you are likely to encounter people who will be hostile to your point of view if you voice it.

Maybe it's because I live in TX and we have more conservative churches around here. At one bible study the leader said the most offensive things about Muslims. I pointed out Romans 12 and said that instead of disparaging them we should treat them well and try to show them a good example instead. Let's just say I was outed as a liberal at that church and ended up leaving.

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Field Marshal:

lat,

No, those are not good Christians. Obviously there are bad apples in every crowd. No one said evangelicals are perfect. Look at that Kansas church that protests at US soldier funerals with 'homosexuality is bad' signs and similar garbage.

Mark,

Ditto...

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obamalover:

@FM

but telling a Jew that he would be susceptible to Goebbels anti-Jew propaganda is being a good Christian... Gotcha. [rolling eyes]

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tjampel:

Field Marshal:

I don't question your faith and the fact that you've convinced yourself you are a practitioner of some religion. I do question whether you take the tenets of that faith, as they relate to moral and ethical choices and behavior towards others literally, or even seriously.

If you do you will might not wish to defend people like Mike E, who stated for the world that he would not save the life of a dying man (or woman, I guess) if he knew that person was a liberal (because, as he said..."they are dead to me").

IF you do you wouldn't tell anyone at all, ever...unless they claimed to be a Nazi, I guess, that they'd follow the Goebbels orders (you were "Christian" enough to make 2 additional references to Herr Goebbels AFTER the initial tirade, and after finding out that the person you attacked was a Jew; and you even joked about the trouble you got into (with "libs") later on...like...this kind of thing is just a joke. You never apologized; you defended your remarks based on the fact that you felt you were personally attacked and giving back what you got, which is the antithesis of what religious people are taught to do.

You also find time, just now to mock Zen Buddhism here, while claiming to like all religions...so you like them and also mock them; how wonderful.

Zen is one of the many Buddhist religions; it's a mainstream religion in China (it's called Chan there), Japan, Korea, Vietnam and of course, these days, throughout the Western world...and you can't seem to help implying that people who practice it are "nutty" rather than drawn to it for its strong moral and ethical values, it's intellectual basis, its strong meditational foundation, and it's effectiveness in developing clarity of mind, and in calming the kinds of strong negative emotions and increasing that you seem to be possessed by (admittedly) when you feel attacked.

You have no idea why Jerry Brown studied at a Zen monastery in his youth, or why he also studied at a Jesuit school before that. His reasons may have been sound and his commitment, at that time real. I don't attack Mike Huckabee's religious upbringing or decision to preach the Gospel. You should not denigrate anyone who follows a religion unless you have proof that they weren't serious. Brown spent a lot of time seriously pursuing both Catholicism and Zen, from what I know of him. Thomas Merton also had a great interest in Zen, which is why he became friendly with Thich Nhat Hanh shortly before his tragic death. You statement about liking all religions is meaningless in light of your previous comments about "nutty" Zen practitioners.

For you not having faith is something that you find distasteful. For me anyone who HAS FAITH and denigrates or makes fun of other established religions shows that they haven't taken any of the deeper teachings on morality and ethics to heart.

One of the things that I was taught at the very earliest stages of my religious practice (which I do for 1 to 1 1/2 hr per day) is that one should never make fun of or disparage other peoples' religion. I guess that you missed Sunday School that day.

The major religions teach to love others as much as ourselves, even our enemies; to treat others as we'd like to be treated, to turn the other cheek when others attack us, to not diminish their qualities unless you have perfect ones yourselves, to understand that the "meek (those showing patience, gentleness, and humility) shall inherit the earth". To know that strong desire to achieve great wealth makes it virtually impossible to also achieve the lasting happiness of heaven. They teach that your own kind or unkind acts will be paid back in kind...as ye sow, etc.

Good qualities also include...

feeding the hungry, clothing those with no clothes, healing the sick, welcoming strangers in one's house as one would family, etc. helping those who face great difficulties.

If you "have faith" and don't practice the tenets, what's the point? If you adhere to a culture of greed, intolerance, lack of compassion for those who suffer, even if it's their own fault, hatred...for anyone period, and strong desire for material things what faith is this consistent with?

I don't know you; you may be the most kind and compassionate and charitable and loving person on the face of the earth when you turn off your computer. You may personally put all of Jesus' teachings into practice with your family, friends, business associates, etc. I am merely posing these questions in light of what I can actually observe. I think people should be the same whether here or with friends or family, because we should develop a sense of equanimity, love, and compassion towards everyone.

I fail to apply these qualities every day but I believe in them and work at it. You might want to reread some of these passages in the New Testament or whatever religious teachings you read, and tell me if you agree with them, and, if so, what you personally are doing to put them into practice...right now.

No I have no right to judge you; so I won't; I'll just say that I see what appears to my deluded mind as a great deal of anger, arrogance, contempt, derision, and a basic and pervasive lack of kindness, compassion, patience, and love towards those with whom you disagree.


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JMSTiger:

@ lat

"Does that include evangelicals (whom I absolutely despise and don't hide it)"

That's mighty tolerant of you.

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lat:

JMS,

Correct. I am not tolerant of evangelical christians and I will never pretend otherwise. First of all they demonized my wife for years and she is still has not forgotten. Second of all they are hypocrytes beyond belief they have the highest rate of divorce, alcholism, etc. and yet they claim to be holier than though. Finally as a christian myself one of the first tenents of being a "good" christian is being tolerant of others and that includes, gays, other religions, etc. I see no such thing coming from them so yes as stated earlier I despise them.

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Loricat:

To look at religion, it seems to me that you must look at what they do. Last month I was at a health fair for the homeless. Many groups were there including governmental, non profits and churches. Our local Interfaith Council was represented which includes all Christians (including Protestians, Mormans and Catholics), Islamic, Jewish, Buddhist and any other who wish to join. This group provided help to 330 people. Unfortunately the mega-churches in the area do not belong and did not participate. They nissed being part of a loving community who gave help to those in need.

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