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CO: Obama 50, McCain 41 (IAdvantage-9/23)

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InsiderAdvantage
9/23/08; 505 LV, 4.5%
Mode: IVR

Colorado
Obama 50, McCain 41

 

Comments
PHGrl:

4 CO polls in a row with a notable lead for Obama.. will CO turn light blue now?

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kerrchdavis:

nice!

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falcon79:

paint it blue baby :D

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NW Patrick:

DOH!

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JCK:

Ouch. Small sample, but basically the same result as last week's polls.

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IndependentThinker:

Oh no it turns light blue

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mj1:

The signs are beginning to point to an Obama landslide. If Obama takes a lead in VA or NC, McCain can pack it in. He cannot win without BOTH of these states.

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JFactor:

Obama's outside the margin of error. Bad, bad news for McCain just keep on coming. Colorado is a key state for Obama and it's looking good for him right now.
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CAmatters:

2x MOE. Next.

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glober:

OK Colorado no longer yellow by friday. That makes it Dem 221, Rep 157, Toss-up 151. I can't believe IN and NC are in yellow. PA will probably go back to light blue in a few days.

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1magine:

Hold on my fellow BO proponents. This is a tiny sample and a IMHO large MOE. I know where the trend points and am happy to see it. But let's be honest this is not a 1,500 RV 1,000 LV poll.

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Shaft:

I make it McRain on them repub-hoes!!

Thanks you for being smarter than the repubs give you credit for, Colorado!

Keeping Palin locked up is working out great for the Dems! They need to put her in a box with David Blaine....

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1magine:

McCain is suspending campaign and giving up? Want's to delay debating BO? He has lost his mind. If he can't deal with a crises and discuss his plans and beliefs for an hour and a half at the same time, he is making the right call.

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RaleighNC:

If Rasmussen confirms, the trend is definitely for Obama in Colorado. Dammit.

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JCK:

@1magine

But it agrees with the same pollster's results from a week ago. And the spread over over 2x the margin of error. I think it's pretty hard to dismiss this result (although I suspect the lead isn't quite this large in reality).

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glober:

I wouldn' be suprised if Missouri turned yellow by next monday. And who knows, after the VP debate, when people realize Palin is not just a hilarious joke, that the lady is acually running for VP, MO could turn light blue. That said, I doubt Obama can win MO, notably for racial reasons. If he does it's a landslide, but I don't believe in that.

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AmericaFirst:

The race is not over but McCain is in SERIOUS trouble. McCain's campaign suspension theatrics is better than Kerry's leisurely stroll to the finish line in second place.

Something drastic is McCain's last best hope. Expect more erratic behavior from his campain in these final weeks.

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KipTin:

Not outside sampling error. At lower end of MOE Obama and McCain are TIED.

"Notable" lead is not same as "significant" lead when one is using statistics.

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Read the entire story... McCain is "suspending campaign" to return to D.C. to participate i negotiations on bailout. One cannot be in D.C. and Mississippi at the same time. Now Obama and McCain are working on a joint statement of principles regarding this bill.

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KipTin:

"Erratic behavior????" Get some perspective.

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KipTin:

Sure, Obama cannot win Missouri for "racial reasons." NOT. Unless you mean there are not enough blacks in St. Louis and Kansas City to give Obama the win.

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glober:

KipTin:
About Missouri, I think racism is not too much of a problem up there, at least compared to before. You understood me well: there are not enough blacks in St Louis and Kansas City to tip the numbers towards Obama. However i am pretty sure MO will turn yellow at some point before Nov 4th. And McCain will probably win by a 2-4 margin there.

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Eternal:

@ Kip Tin,

Actually Obama contacted McCain at 8:30 this morning to discuss a joint statement of direction on this issue. At 2:30 McCain returned his call and agreed then went out and once again *pretended* to be a hero.

Should be fun the next day as reporters begin to realize McCain ran a end around on a reach out from Obama.

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Eternal:

McCain, just can't be trusted.

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RussTC3:

"will CO turn light blue now?"

Doubtful. It's more than likely that Rasmussen will show a close race, with McCain pulling ahead from their last survey and lead by anywhere from 2-3 points.

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IndependentThinker:

Below is what Karl Rove, the mastermind of Bush 2 successful elections recently said:

Canada's esteemed think-tank, the Fraser Institute, hosted a gala dinner last night featuring as keynote speaker Republican Karl Rove. He is considered the "brains" behind the Bush election victories. He was also Bush's key advisor. Last night, he did party spin but said something significant.
A Toronto businessman asked him if he thought Sarah Palin would make a good President.
"I don't know," said Rove.

If Rove doesn't know, we should all be worried. Rove is not running the McCain show, but is inside enough to know so how can he not know? How about others in the party, do they not know too? Shouldn't they know before they work for her? Does John McCain know?

More from Rove:
-- Palin's knock-out speech went through eight drafts and the only ad lib was the hockey mom and pitbull line, he said.
-- Rove didn't predict the outcome in November, but said if Hillary was on the Obama ticket "the election would be over already". (Bill Clinton has said this week she didn't want to be VP).
-- He said Palin could beat Hillary in 2012.
-- His slides noted that 57% of eligible American voters didn't bother to vote in 2004 and 26% didn't in 2000.
-- The last time a Vice Presidential pick was key, he postulated, was in 1960 when Texas Senator Lyndon Johnson ran with JFK and delivered the Texas vote. (Actually, voter fraud in Chicago also helped.)

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Indiana4Obama:

Russ,
Only diehard Republicans believe Mccain is leading in Colorado right now.

Mccain may end up winning the election, but if he does I'm guessing he'll be just as surprised as anyone.

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KipTin:

OH... Eternal can read the "mind" of the McCain campaign. You should sell your "mental" services.

BTW: Do you understand the difference between a "joint statement of principles" and "suspending campaign to participate in negotiations?"

The media analysts thought that the latter might happen, because it did not seem likely that Obama and McCain would skip the Senate vote on the bailout bill.

My advice is PAY ATTENTION!!!!!

P.S. Do you believe in only the Obama Rules?

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s.b.:

Lets see what rasmussen has to say later this evening.

BTW Republican requests for mail in ballots outnumbered Democratic in Colorado by 30,000, just released today.

So this poll and several others may be missing part of the picture in Colorado.

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eugene:

this was political give me a break,the polls wasnt going his way,so he did something desperate,

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marctx:

Putting Country First:

MCCAIN SUSPENDS CAMPAIGN TO FOCUS ON ECONOMY; WANTS DEBATE DELAY

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/24/campaign.wrap/

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Save US:

What a weasel... McCain's joint statement was alone!

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Eternal:

@ Kip Tin,

Come on, take of the partisan hat for just a moment. Your opponent contacts you to put forth a joint statement on the direction forward, you agree, then 30 minutes later suspend your campaign and call for that same person to join you?

I'm going to guess people will see through this.

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KipTin:

Joint Statement vs. Suspend Campaign... not the same thing. Typical Obamanation sees conspiracy or desperation in anything and everything McCain does.

Wise move by McCain just before Bush's national address on the bailout issue.

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Mike Farrace:

Eternal has this right. McCain double-crossed Obama because the old whore's ambition has no bounds. Face it -- he now operates free of any decency or principles. Obama calls him at 8:30AM to suggest the joint bi-partisan statement. At 2:30 PM, McCain calls Obama back and says, "sure, let's work on a statement." By 2:55 PM, Fox News is reporting that McCain is suspending his campaign, cancelling the debate and flying back to Washington. His economic expertise is so important? Please. He really is desperate now. It's bull**** and everyone knows it.

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KipTin:

Hilarious... I am not the one wearing a partisan hat.

Part of McCain statement:

"It has become clear that no consensus has developed to support the Administration's proposal. I do not believe that the plan on the table will pass as it currently stands, and we are running out of time.

Tomorrow morning, I will suspend my campaign and return to Washington after speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. I have spoken to Senator Obama and informed him of my decision and have asked him to join me.

I am calling on the President to convene a meeting with the leadership from both houses of Congress, including Senator Obama and myself. It is time for both parties to come together to solve this problem."

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KipTin:

Stop the offensive language....Mike Farrace.

Obamanation needs to calm down and look at the facts.

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boskop:

my read on the time table was obama wants a joint statement but didnt plan to suspend.

mccain suspends.

is this incorrect?

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Eternal:

Kip, it might suprise you to know personal insults ie. "Obamanation" does not anger me or advance your position. It only makes you look like a smaller person who rather than debating facts would prefer to act like a child. I realize it must be panic inducing to see your world view in the process of discredited but come on, show some class. Be a good looser, it would make you look better. If you have not noticed you are very much loosing the perception war, on every level ....

I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears but since I have seen you post it numerous times, I thought I would share my perception.


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laguna_b:

Interesting that NPR shows McCain closing in swing states and ahead overall a dead heat. I am an Obama fan so anything other than total victory makes me nervous. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94973392&ft=1&f=1001

The prospect of Palin as "President" should terrify anyone who still thinks that competence matters (albeit absent since Clinton left)

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DecaturMark:

This sounds a lot like a panic reaction by McCain. Both sides of the bailout debate are saying that talks are going well. Congress is acting tough because it is an election year. Behind the scenes, they are working out the differences. Neither Obama nor McCain are on the commitees looking into this so their presence is not needed. It will just bring more nitpicking over little things. If either of them are needed for a close vote, then they should go and vote. I do not believe that this will be the case. That is how I see this.

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NW Patrick:

laguna_b NPR's poll shows a 2% weighting to DEMS. The lowest of ANY pollster. Their on crack.

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nick-socal:

It'll be neat with Bush postpones the election by executive order, citing "too much economic turmoil to make a presidential transition at this time"

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NW Patrick:

I think McCain is afraid to debate Friday. Obama will knock him out and he knows it.
So vote Friday McCain and get your "ASS" on that plane!

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KipTin:

"Obamanation" is a term I have been using for quite some time to describe the "rabid" Obama supporters who ignore facts. It is not directed personally at anyone, but rather at over-the-top behavior.

BTW: "Obamanation" is not an offensive terms in the context of the phrase "old whore's ambition."
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FYI from MSNBC.com....

From a Senior McCain source:
-- McCain called Obama BEFORE he made the statement and told him he was going to suspend his campaign and move back to DC until the economic crisis has been figured out.
-- McCain wants to create "a political free zone" until a deal is reached between now and Monday.
-- McCain also spoke with Bush and urged him to get both sides to work together

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laguna_b:

@NW Patrick:

I sincerely hope you are right!

@nick-socal:

If McCain should win gets both wishes and we have 4 more years. :(

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lilyogini:

The crisis has been happening for a while now. Last week it was clear, we were in a crisis.

It's 9 days since the 540 point drop on 9/15. Suddenly, it's time to fly back to Washington and delay the debates?

Timing is suspect. Debates are 48 hours away, and he is getting hammered in the polls. Even an objective person would agree that it smells fishy.

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DecaturMark:

If W comes on TV tonight and says that a plan has been worked out by Congress and the
Administration, McCain is going to look very silly.

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1magine:

Paulson and Bernake have been on every talk show for 3 days. Crisis happened 2 weeks ago. Senate stops work at 4:00PM not at 8:00pm.

Why can't they workl on this all day tomorrow, all day Friday - fly to MS together on Fri. Fly back to DC after the 1.5 hour debate and work all w/e on this?

Where was McCain last week? Where was he this w/e? Where was McCain yesterday. And why can't he work on this and take an hour or two to tell the American people what his vision is?

Sorry - not partisan crap here, but the POTUS is the most powerful position in the world. You sit on an emmense nuclear arsenal, huge numbers of troops, trillions in GDP... Crisis happen all the time, big and small. I understand delaying your appearance on David L, but the debate 40 days out, if you can't balance both - you are not mentally and emotionally prepared for the job.

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Eternal:

@ Decatur Mark,

You are right, this is like the Selection of Palin, Panic move.

McCain's credibility is so low right now, they won't paint this as "country first" they will paint it as.... "Oh Crap, I need time to figure out what to do next"

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NorseSoccer:

Light blue, man. Inevitable!

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laguna_b:

Why can't Palin step in for the debate now that she has visited the UN and met some leaders...I thought she was READY?

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KipTin:

What is wrong with the future President (Obama or McCain)conferring with the President and Senate leaders? Would it not be disturbing that both candidates were AWOL on this very major issue?

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nick-socal:

laguna_b I was being sarcastic, sorry for the confusion.

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HaloFan:

Why cant they just change the topic of the debate from Foreign affairs
To national affairs?

Naa that will be way to smart

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DecaturMark:

Obama is having none of this political gamesmanship from McCain:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-not-comm.html

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Eternal:

@ Kip,

Don't insult us, not here, you as well as us know this is a stunt by McCain. We can debate the effectiveness of that choice but lets not pretend.

Remember this is from John McCain who has not cast a vote in congress in the last 7 months.

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KipTin:

From ABC News......

An Obama campaign official told ABC News the Democratic presidential candidate called McCain this morning to suggest a joint statement of principles.

McCain called back this afternoon and suggested returning to Washington.

Obama is willing to return to Washington "if it would be helpful." But reiterated Obama intends to debate on Friday.

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Tyler:

Oh boy McCain is going to get slaughtered for this debate delay gimmick. It is _not_ going to fly with the press or the public. This could be disasterous for him.

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Hope Reborn:

no wonder McCain dropped the stunt

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Bonzi77:

@Independent Thinker

Not to divert the thread, but the Chicago voter fraud thing regarding 1960 was a myth. Kennedy would have won with or without Illinois.

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CaliforniaIndie:

They should debate - and make it about the economy. Do it Lincoln/Douglass style. The American people should hear the candidates' thinking on this crisis. I want to hear McCain and Obama debating these issues.

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KipTin:

I have not insulted anyone. I exhibit no bad behavior nor do I use offensive language or namecalling. Notably, I have posted reports by the news media. Now if you identify yourself as part of the Obamanation, then that is your perogative.

CNN reports that Senate Majority Leader Reid does not want Presidential candidates to distract from future of nation's economy. (What the heck? And notably both are still Senators as well as candidates.)

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nick-socal:

This sounds like a desperate move. There's no reason to suspend your campaign to go to Washington to help negotiate a deal. This is clearly designed to deflect attention away from his campaign manager's monetary involvement with Freddie Mac, his sinking poll numbers, and his stark record on deregulation. It's a ploy that won't work. American's are smart enough to know that 1) McCain has no ability or even authority to help negotiate a deal. He's not part of the committees hashing out the bill. (Apparently McCain either doesn't know how the Senate works or more likely he thinks we're too stupid to know) 2) If a bill is written and passed out of Committee, you can just fly to Washington to vote on that bill. 3) Delaying your debate must makes you look scared that since poll numbers are low now and you have a debate in 48 hours, you're finished. It's clear that they want to try to get his poll numbers back up and then have the debate. It's so obvious.

There is no reason McCain needs to go bouncing into Washington. He's not part of the committees negotiating writing the bill. What's he going to do, sit there and listen in?

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BOOMFAIL:

Funny, McCain said the negative ads he runs are because Obama wouldn't debate him weekly (in a town hall fashion that McCain prefers), but now that his campaign is in a freefall he can't find 90 minutes to stand up like a man and face the nation??? Nobody wants the country to fail, and of course we should all put country first, but this is just pathetic! Paint it Blue baby!

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kerrchdavis:

@kiptin

there is nothing wrong with conferring with leaders about the crisis. Its just that there is no need to cancel a debate to do so.

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jamesugw:

this move is beyond cynical - shame on McCain! The American people will not swallow self-interest dressed up as paternal care.

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DecaturMark:

@nick-socal

My point exactly. Let the Committees work out the compromise and if your vote is needed for your position then go to DC and vote. If he is so concerned, why didn't he suspend his campaign last week?

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RaleighNC:

McCain is not "afraid" of anything Obama, much less a debate. In fact, he wanted MORE debates. Obama is the one who refused more debates. Obama will look like a scared little girl if he doesn't go back to Washington, D.C. +1 McCain on this one.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomfail

boomshak was in the other forum talking about what an amazing move this is by McCain. I think it's safe to say his credibility is now completely, undoubtedly gone.

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marctx:

This really shows the clear difference between these two candidates. McCain makes BOLD moves for this country and Obama only PLAYS politics.

If Obama doesn't suspend soon.

McCain, "I'm here working on the economy, Obama is out there playing politics."

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laguna_b:

@Tyler

With McCain he seems to pull successful campaign rabbits outta the hat. I thought that surely the choice of Palin would have sunk him before the end of the convention. A 72 yo President backed up by a bimbo who said in the interview just before being chosen 'I don't know what the VP does! Will someone tell me?' Open and shut case of bad judgement and he soared (for a couple weeks anyway)

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KipTin:

FACT: McCain last recorded Senate vote was in April... that is 5 months not 7 months. Obama showed up to vote ONCE in July. Neither are exactly involved in their Senate jobs on a regular basis.

But events change everything....Everyone (even the public) is saying that the economy is most important, and now Democrats put forward that McCain's move is either a political gimmick or that the Presidential candidates involvement in legislating the issue would be a distraction.

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KipTin:

Typical "Obamanation" still calling Palin sexist names... for no reason other than to bash the female gender in the name of partisan bias.

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kerrchdavis:

Here is why this move is beyond stupid:

McCain just gave Obama a breaking news platform in the midst of excellent poll numbers (and on the subject that is Obama's strength: the economy) to look very presidential. He will explain why it is important to be able to handle multiple issues that are important at once, and everyone is going to see it.

In the meantime, McCain is already backing off, and he thus looks like a flip-flopper who is both reckless and weak.

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nick-socal:

DecaturMark, I do hope Americans will see through this. I think they will. Look, the debate is Friday evening. What are you going to be doing in Washington on a Friday night that would help shepherd a bill through committee? Makes no sense. And as for suspending his campaign, again what is going to do? Sit in Washington sweating out while the country heads deeper into crisis? Be a man bro you're a freaking war hero! Be a man and tell me what you'll do to fix it. Sitting around in Washington watching other senators in committee hash it out ain't telling me squat. Other than you're scared. I don't like a scared guy for president. And come on, we got TVs and radios and cell phones now. You don't _NEED_ to be in Washington to concentrate on what they are working on in committee.

Pathetic!!

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kerrchdavis:

John McCain's request to delay campaigning and this week's debate is:
An effort to help the economy 27% 6764
A political gimmick 69% 17279
Something else 5% 1158
Total Votes: 25201

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thoughtful:

McCain is a scumbag.

Obama decided maybe best for both Candidates to give a direction by agreeing a joint approach. Unilaterally being slaughtered in the polls MCain goes for another Hail Mary this time playing with the World's economy.

He's not fit to serve.

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KipTin:

Where is McCain already backing off? Please provide a source.

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DecaturMark:

CNN/Time has some new poll numbers that don't look good for McCain.

CNN / TIME / ORC
Full details coming...

Colorado
Obama 51, McCain 47

Michigan
Obama 51, McCain 46

Pennsylvania
Obama 53, McCain 44

West Virginia
McCain 50, Obama 46

Montana
McCain 54, Obama 43

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Eternal:

@ Kip Tin,

Fair enough I should have said McCain has missed 109 of 110 votes in the Senate the last 7 months.... My bad :)

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KipTin:

These poll numbers did not change one single state on the CNN electoral map.

At least, the Montana poll should get Pollster to change its map to lean GOP.

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carl29:

Yeah guys...we know: liberal, flawed, biased poll. Don't read too much into it. McCain is winning :-)

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kerrchdavis:

@kiptin

yeah, but if Obama is THAT comfortable in Michigan, Penn AND colorda, McCain is in DEEP trouble

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laguna_b:

@marktx

Mccain, as others have noted, has nothing to do with this legislation except a vote. Educate yourself on McCain on McCain and economics from his own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_APdK9fgDM&NR=1

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carl29:

Yeah...we all were worried about Montana :-) Who cares about PA, CO, MI? How silly...the big prize is MT!!!! Get real Obamabots :-)

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DecaturMark:

@nick-socal

I agree. What would happen if the country had an emergency (like a financial crisis) at the same time had something else occuring (I don't know, like an election) should we suspend the election to deal with the financial crisis? Just a hypothetical.

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nick-socal:

If Obama leads by 9 in PA this thing is over.

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kerrchdavis:

@Decatur

We've had elections during crises and times of war. Strength is the ability to continue with what you are supposed to do in the midst of a crisis.

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DecaturMark:

@KipTin

Au contrair, RCP has changed CO to light blue.

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nick-socal:

DecaturMark, I've actually been thinking about that too and sarcastically suggested that Bush would use executive privilege and suspend the election due to "too much economic turmoil for a presidential transition at this time". Scary!

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DecaturMark:

@KipTin

Sorry, it is Pollster who has made the change.

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KipTin:

McCain leads in missed votes in 110th Congress. Tim Johnson is second (brain hemorrhage) followed by Obama. Like I said... neither candidate has been very present while they campaign for President.

Next three are Hillary, Joe Biden, and Chris Dodd.

Votes cast---
McCain: 231
Johnson: 332
Obama: 348
Hillary: 436
Biden: 445
Dodd: 472

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carl29:

Yeah guys...we know: liberal, flawed, biased poll. Don't read too much into it. McCain is winning....Montana!!!! :-)

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carl29:

I feel sorry for all the McCain-supporters/Obama-haters...what a horrible day for you guys :-)

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Christopher303:

We're finally going Blue! Colorado Dems have been waiting a long time for this! =)

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Basil:

Country first my ass. More like 1) receive Obama's call about making a joint decision , 2) rush to handlers and cook up political angle so Obama doesn't look like a leader, and 3) announce that McCain has a new idea that Obama should get on board with, if he's not too busy. What a sleazeball move.

What about Sarah Palin? Since she's not a senator (and doesn't know jack anyway) should she hide until the other three are done in DC? Or soldier on alone with no press allowed? Or sit in the senate gallery and see how things are done?

George Will is right. McCain is a loose cannon on the deck of a pitching ship.

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DecaturMark:

Obama's press conference is blowing away McCain right now.

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laguna_b:

Palin is READY to step in as Prez and READY to step in to debate Obama! I wanna see this one!!! :)

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nick-socal:

Obama quote from his press conference:

"It's my belief that this is exactly the time when the American people need to hear from the person who in approximately 40 days will be responsible for dealing with this mess," Obama said in a news conference in Clearwater, Fla. "It's going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once."

Pfft.... that's the sound of McCain's 'hail mary' pass flying out of bounds and landing on the sidelines.

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kerrchdavis:

lol, owned! just friggin owned! i love it.

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RaleighNC:

Rasmussen confirms Barry momentum in CO. Dangit.

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kerrchdavis:

Rasmussen has O-50 M-47 in Co

Thats a 5 point swing in 1 week

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kerrchdavis:

and if McCain NOW shows up for the debate, he looks like hes being forced to by Obama. If he doesn't, he looks like he cant do 2 things at once.

ouch..

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kerrchdavis:

CO Polls today:

O-50 M-41 I/A
O-51 M-47 CNN
O-50 M-47 Ras

In EVERY poll, Obama is at or exceeds 50. This is VERY good news.

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BOOMFAIL:

Boomshackalacka!!

Come out come out wherever you are McCain.

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apologist42:

Kind of smacks of the Hurricane Ike drama the GOP initiated during their convention.

"Look at us. We care. Look how much we care."

Of course, the Hurricane Ike drama wouldn't have occurred if the GOP administration hadn't screwed up the response to Katrina. And this bit of drama with Wall Street wouldn't have occurred if the GOP hadn't screwed that up as well.

They really do believe the American people are stupid.

Good to see Obama keeping a cool head through this crisis. McCain, meanwhile, is freaking out and dabbling in areas he should be letting the experts dabble. Yeah, that's the type of guy I want running the country.

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DecaturMark:

@kerrchdavis

Obama's problem may be that McCain looks like a limp dog walking into the debate so he appears to be the underdog. And with foreign policy McCain's apparent strong suit he could be laying a trap for Obama. Although, after that press conference, Obama looked extremely presidential. I just want to be sure that expectations are not mislaid.

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kerrchdavis:

@decatur

it is very possible and you bring up a good point. I think Obama will be well prepared...and who know? the topic might have to switch to the economy now.

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DecaturMark:

They won't switch the order. They just switched them a few weeks ago. McCain better bone up on his extemporanious speaking.

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laguna_b:

Poor old (literally) McCain.... he is 11 years older than I an I know I would not be able to keep up such a pace. It shows. He can't schedule breakdowns and periods of exhaustion to match critical speaking like the debates. He will come into one or more looking like your grandfather a week before dying. I cold have supported the former McCain in 2000 and I doubt he would have gone to Iraq. But that is then, this is now. He will be lucky to survive until the election.

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apologist42:

@laguna

At least you know how to use the Internet. :-)

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Mike Farrace:

Sorry about the language. Seriously.

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Eternal:

@ Kip,

Yea but it's a HUGE jump from 1 to 3. Heck McCain has missed more votes than a guy they gave last rights a few months ago.

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