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FL: McCain 48, Obama 47 (SurveyUSA-9/27-28)

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SurveyUSA
9/27-28/08; 599 LV, 4.1%
Mode: IVR

Florida
McCain 48, Obama 47

 

Comments
Jeff:

Third consecutive poll with a 1-point spread here.

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zotz:

Erik Cantor is a prick!

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laguna_b:

If I were for Mccain this would NOT be good news other than that I had not slid further back.....means more money to defend a must do state. Bet tehre will be shifts towards O with it being a tie by the end of the week....time for the election fraud squad to get in gear!

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political_junki:

Rass's battleground polls will be really interesting today. Market is in deep **** by the way you havnt noticed!

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Trosen:

In a way it's almost good news for McCain. I half expected to see some more FL polls with Obama up 1 or 2 points by today. Like I said before, any result within the polling MOE and Crist and the Republican FL legislature will take care of the rest. But clearly now McCain will have to do a lot more campaigning in FL that he thougght he would.

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Atomique:

Woohoo! Go Florida! Yes, we can!

With every passing day this election is looking more and more like it could end up being an Obama blowout.

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laguna_b:

Only down 500 points on DOW (4.71%) but NYSE OVER 7%!!!! Like 850 on the DOW. Should see a hard hit bottom soon.....when McCain loses and the Obama Wall Street rally begins.

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Shaft:

@ Zotz:

I agree with your assessment of Dingleberry Cantor, but what's it got to do with the Florida vote?!?!?

Nevertheless, Obama needs to get out the Hispaniard and African voters in FL if he is going to make this election a sure thing!

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JCK:

Polls seem to agree: McCain has a small advantage in FL.

I wonder what Boomshak's MOE calculations are on this one; could this "just as easily" be Obama 51-44???

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KipTin:

What? So now zotz is anti-Semitic?

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cabos101:

Man, these Crosstabs on these SurveyUSA polls in FL continue to prove that, if right, Obama may pull an upset here as they continue to say that only 10% of the vote there will be African Americans.

What?! Based on demographics and the '04 turnout, it should be about 15%. Hmmm, seems exactly like what Plouffe was saying...

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PortlandRocks:

President Obama is on CNN right now.

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boomshak:

You know, I don't care what your political beliefs are, we are living through history right now and it really is quite remarkable.

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Connor:

Dow plummeting. Bail-out deal voted down.

How ironic: republicans and democrats voting against a measure made necessary by their years and years of deregulation.

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boskop:

excellent.
i watched pelosi go partisan after all her buddies did the same trying to put across obama like its the last thing in the world.

and here's the deal: when you get that sick with
ego and ambition you stumble. pelosi screwed the pooch for the fence sitters who were nauseated by her non stop obama train.

the good part is OIL. plunging. middle america cares about this. they dont need a new car. they dont need new homes the inventories finally have a chance to clear.

inflation goes DOWN>

the economy will right itself not because more cheap money flies after debt.. which is what pelosi and the idiot obama want, but because entitlement and greed settles back down and entropy takes over.

let it ride...

excellent. pelosi you might have just screwed over your boyfriend but good.

the race aint over yet. watch the ukraine now. israel. gasoline .

all good.

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Evolve:

With the free fall of the market today. It can only be bad news for Republicans in FL, with so many retires there and with wallstreet forecasting a 1000 to 1500 pt drop within the next week it can't be good news for anybody that voted against this bill ... that's provided that the market continues to respond negatively.

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boomshak:

CNN has a new FLASH POLL out:

It says that 98% of Americans blame Republican for this failure.

PARTY WEIGHTINGS:
Democrats: 98%
Republicans: 2%

Yup.

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BOOMFAIL:

Democratic White House contender Barack Obama expressed confidence Monday that a rejected bailout package would still get through Congress and urged markets to stay calm.

Steady voice in all this mess.

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laguna_b:

@Boomshak

Same could have been said for Oct. 1929 but the history that followed was not one I would have liked to experience.

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Evolve:

@boskop

So what your saying is that politicans put there egos in front of the American peoples economic survival. NICE !!!

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KipTin:

I was just looking at the "bailout" vote. Voting NO......

Both Udalls (Democrats) running for Senators in Colorado and New Mexico as well as the Democrat Sanchez sisters from California. Also Kucinich (Ohio), Shelia Jackson-Lee (Texas), Senator Kenneth Salazar's brother John (Colorado). Nice to know that they were listening to their constituents.

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adocarbog:

SUSA has 42% R and 40% D in their cross tabs and it is wrong. Dems now do have advantage in party ID in FL as well

Also they have too few AA and Hispanics, even less than in 2004 election

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laguna_b:

boomshak, you actually made me laugh with that one!

But the facts are that regardless of what Pelosi may or may not have said, Republicans should have voted the countries best interest....unfortunately for them Country First! is just a slogan.

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macsuk:

boskop


Were you born an a#shole or did it take time to develop?

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thoughtful:

@Boskop


You couldn't have supported this bailout anyway, betrayed by McCain!

The FL SUSA poll: is a staistical tie with a 4.1% MOE.

My own view is that Obama is 3% up in FL.

I know thats tough for you to take but it is what it is.

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boskop:

obama knows zip about economics other than what cra credits can hand over to ACORN and what he can hand back to them through illegal campaign funnels and congressional ermarks.

i hope this slimy bastard makes it in so he can get led away in chains for graft.

there's not an honest bone in this political hack's body.

and if you think he's a change figure then for me, a dyed in the wool democrat to despise this bully must count for some gaping hole in his presentation and persona.

i used to think that bush would polarize this country more than anything i'd ever imagined. But ALREADY obama has done far more than that.


go obama!! but to think that the first black president could be the greatest embrassment to us all would be a horror to black americans after waiting so long.

glib, slick, shallow, slimy. obama you go bro!

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BOOMFAIL:

Intrade has Obama up 20% btw

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KipTin:

Explain why the 95 Democrats voted "NO!" Why are the Republicans to blame for this vote when this many Democrats jump ship?

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thoughtful:

@Macsuk

You are a *****! Boskop's a class lady, got plenty of time for her even though we find a lot that we don't agree with.

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Connor:

@boskop

Thanks for sharing some of your Klan talking points with us!

Once again, boskop: were you by any chance an extra in the film 'Mississippi Burning'?

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macsuk:

thoughtful

read the 3:00 pm post by Boskop. Thats class?

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kerrchdavis:

@macsuk

everyone already knows boskop is a sack of classless ****. thats old news.

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Batony:

Thank you to the 95 House Dems and the 133 House Republicans for voting down this BS.

Democrat Lloyd Doggett put it best.."Like the Iraq war and patriot act, this bill is fueled by fear and haste"....Good job...

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boskop:

@thoughtful

the ins and outs of this GE cycle are more convulsed than a gimpy heart beat.

who knows what the next news cycle will deliver and to whom.

if the Ukraine goes bust and the northern africa ends up in all out arms, then mccain steps back into the fray.

remember, for middle america the food they feed their car maters more than anything. they know quite well the banks havent got the credit or cash to buy out their foreclosed house let alone their mortgage.

they are sitting pretty.

this is the long awaited move to equilibirum: less high fliers, lower prices, less product exposure and frenetic gotta have mentality of gadgetry and what not..

all good.

but what do i know: i'm just an ass hole. arent' we all?

at least this one has a head on the other end and not shoved up it like so many others who follow rather than think.

let's see how obama parses this one as he starts to slough off some serious water under his arms.

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KipTin:

Weird, with this "credit crunch" my bank just raised my credit card limit by $5000. Well, it will make my credit report look good, because I do not plan on using it. Incurring large debt is not a winning strategy for me or the federal government.

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kerrchdavis:

@kiptin

"Incurring large debt is not a winning strategy for me or the federal government."

I think thats the first smart thing you've ever said!

j/k :)

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thoughtful:

@Macsuk

Sure if Boskop wants to rant the McCain message that can only be good for your guy.

She has an unbelievable turn of phrase.

I could her put her on stage! class act!

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boskop:

@kerchdavis, macsuk et al

i wonder why it is you always resort to name calling.

honestly, when we read your posts in class we just howl with laughter that's all you come up with.

you know, try and give a go to getting beyond your filthy mouths and speak with a little insight. maybe make a projection based on behavior, trends, human frailty, psychology.

after all, obama is nothing if not a man.
you are nothing if not a desperate irate voter dying for a simple flesh and blood entity to describe for you everything in life.

i alas, see what i have said many times herein, that the two party system was in death throes.

if this vote and obfuscation of party lines does not reinforce it then what does.

to think the dems bailed out the bush and the repubs are protecting joe blow america against the greed of wall street suggests the same kind of sweeping change that the dixie crats lost when Nixon came barreling in.


see, did i call you folks names?

Nope.

didnt have to. that's because i prefer to use my head not my butt to write posts.

take care//gotta get back to work.

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thoughtful:

@Boskop

You have been really treated well by John McCain, what does it feel like to be so badly betrayed?

Don't give it to me over Obama, far superior human being than can't do his zip up or tell the truth McCain.

Once a cheater always a cheater!

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kerrchdavis:

@boskop

you point is well taken.

asshole.

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boskop:

@eric, mark

kerchdavis and maksuk are your pride polsters.

if you were really monitoring your site you'd have deleted them or banned them.

once again, i am supremely un-impressed by this website and by you.

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thoughtful:

Why is it that so called Democratic supporters whio should really be progressive resort to name calling.

I find that totally depressing. The chick is hip and all you can do is call her names!

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macsuk:

Intrade O 59.8 M 38.7 This has forced McCain to put on his uniform and helmet, and he and the Palin family are off to Washington on a snowmobile to shake things up..

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macsuk:

boskop

I have never cussed on this site or had racist rants like you

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BOOMFAIL:

McCain has been toast for a while, but now the question is just how many more Democratic seats will the House and Senate get?? This will be a watershed election.

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thoughtful:

Guys

You know Boskop throws some hard jabs and hooks and even has a Bolo punch so dance with her a bit and make her miss!

I look at Obama locking this up this week.

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kerrchdavis:

@boskop

cry us all a river.

@thoughtful

I think you know me well enough to know that I really enjoy and am, in fact, a big advocate of bipartisanship, unity and the discussion of issues.

However, do not expect me to not call "bull****" when I see it.

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BOOMFAIL:

@macsuk
That's "snow Machine" in Palin-speak.

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Connor:

@boskop

"when we read your posts in class "

What class is that? What school?

Do tell!

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thoughtful:

@Kerchdavis

Boskop is entitled to her radical point of view.

Thank goodness someone thinks outside the box.

She's been betrayed completely by her right wing travelers. Probably shell shocked over how dumb Palin appears to be.

Even, in the unlikely event, McCain were to win, she loses!

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kerrchdavis:

@thoughtful

"Boskop is entitled to her radical point of view. Thank goodness someone thinks outside the box."

I'm certainly not saying she isn't entitled. And if you want someone that thinks outside the box, theres a guy named "boomshak" that I'm sure you'll love.

Anyway, the rants are done. Lets get back to the issues.

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AlanSnipes:

I noticed the internals on the Survey USA poll say that McCain will get 21% of the Black vote.
That won't happen.

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macsuk:

McCain just said he "fought for a plan". What plan was that? Does he even know? Can he ever tell the truth, ever?

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KipTin:

Well, the Pelosi speech explains why the GOP did not vote for the bailout bill, but does not explain why 95 Democrats did not. Too bad Pelosi felt compelled to make a campaign speech for Obama. So who was betrayed by whom? I also see some Dems and the GOP listening to their constituents. Should not the voters come first?

GOP: Pelosi Killed Bill With Partisan Speech

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/gop_pelosi_killed_bill_with_pa.html

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JCK:

PPP poll agrees with Rasmussen that Obama has a 2 point lead in NC.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_NC_929.pdf

If NC is in play, VA is almost a given at this point, and McCain is in deep, deep trouble.

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thoughtful:

Great Alan

10% AA vote, 42/40 Repub/Dem affiliation.

Poll certainly looks god for Obama

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Mike_in_CA:

boomshak,

i have to say, this is the most desperate i've seen you all year. and it's obvious why.

Folks, Republicans are not going to be usurped from power easily. They will tear apart the fabric that makes this country great with their bare hands, bloodied and tired, all the way out the door. Kicking and screaming.

Calling names. Parodying themselves. Insulting the rest of us. What a glorious sound it will be on November 5 when the Republicans wake up and realize that the public finally saw through the lies, the smoke, the mirrors, and the bullsh*t.

The Dow fell almost 6% today. And the S&P fell almost 8%. Lots of people are going to lose lots of money. Jobs will be lost. People will be homeless.

And boomshak cares about Ukraine. F*ck Ukraine. Enough wars. Enough lying, Enough ignoring the job that we elect people to do: GOVERN. We need a real leader. Get a life.

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kerrchdavis:

@kiptin

do you honestly, truly think its fair that the GOP or ANYONE for that matter did not vote for a bill aimed at solving America's economic crisis because she gave a harsh speech?

Honestly?

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Connor:

McCain's pretty ****ed as far as "large things he can do to shake things up." He's played that hand too many times. If he does it again, that's it: he's toast. He better pray for a gigantic Obama gaffe, some external event that falls in his favor (a terrorist strike), or GOP voter purging. How else could he win?

I'm seriously trying to think like a GOP strategist here. There's really nothing McCain can do. Maybe dig up something truly awful on Obama?

McCain has ruined his "maverick" image with the press who previously loved him (they've have enough with him, even Richard Cohen!), the Palin pick is now, almost unanimously, seen as "awful," the "suspension" was a joke, and the first debate, the one on McCain's "turf," boosted Obama.

I used to think Romney would have been easier to defeat. Now it's pretty clear that that's not true. McCain's camp is shockingly inept. He lost this election years ago when he began the mad dash towards Bush's outstretched arms.

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KipTin:

I do not see how the latest North Carolina PPP poll (Obama 47/McCain 45) changes anything. The previous NC polls was Obama 46/McCain 46. Both showing the same thing (considering the sampling error).

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thoughtful:

Rasmussen 09/23 - 09/23 500 LV 47 49 Obama +2

PPP with over 1,000 respondents agree with this +2% in NC!

Boomshak - this explains his increasingly Erratic McCain type of behaviour.

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Connor:

@boskop!

Please tell us what class and what school you attend!

I'm dying to know!

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political_junki:
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thoughtful:

KipTin

You are full of dis-information! Crawl!

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KipTin:

Well, the GOP that changed their minds were not that convinced of the idea anyway. So how does this explain 95 Democrats not wanting to "solve America's economic crisis?" You should be more concerned with the large number of Democrats who voted NO.

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KipTin:

Well...thoughtful... if you are going to accuse me of "dis-information" then maybe you should at least show where I was not factual. Otherwise just typical accusations from Obamanation... based in emotion and not reality.

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thoughtful:

Kiptin

Disingenuous as well.

This was the President's Bill 66% of The Democrats croosed the aisle and supported the Presidents Bill.

70% of the Republicans did not support their own President!

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Batony:

PPP for NC

Obama 47%
McCain 45%

Wow...McCain is really lucky. After all the bad economic news, Obama, Biden and Michelle all campaigning in NC last week and this weekend...and to only be down by two from an Obama leaning poll. Could be worse.

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thoughtful:

KipTin
You chose to ignore the previous NC poll from Rasmussen +2% Obama.

Intended or not its dis-information to say its 46-46
Rasmussen 09/23 - 09/23 500 LV 47 49 Obama +2

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JCK:

McCain is "lucky" to DOWN in NC?

Please, this is a state that GW Bush won by 12 points in 2004. It should be, by all rights, a solid red state.

If McCain loses NC, this election isn't even going to be close.

Also, please note that Rasmussen also had Obama up by 2% in NC last week. So this can't be considered an outlier by a Democratic polling outfit...

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KipTin:

OK...now you are denigrating me because the GOP Representatives listened to the people of their district instead of walking lockstep with Bush? Are you looney? Who has the major majority in the House? Who is the Speaker of the House?

So why did not 95 Democrats support the DEMOCRATIC House bill?

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thoughtful:

DOW -603 at tlose

Nasdaq down 9%

The repubs can't even support their own President unless its to fight an illegal war.

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McShame:

For the PPP poll, the internals show 48% of the respondents are democrats and 34% Republicans. The current registration shows 45% Dems and 32.5% Reps. Not that far off. Bottom line, the race in NC is a dead heat.

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Mike_in_CA:

Nice spin Batony! You get THREE gold McCain stars for that!

You're right. McCain only down 2 pts in a state Bush won be double digits IS Good News For McCain!

You guys are becoming embarassing self parodies.

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PortlandRocks:

Batony Obama leaning poll? ROFL. They match Rasmussen's result low info. pollster watcher. What is amazing is the sample is twice the size of Rasmussens. BIG CONFIRMATION. McCain's in TROUBLE in NC!

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Batony:

@JCK

I'm from NC, and I can tell you with confidence that Obama will not win NC. About four years ago, NC is one of the fastest growing states in the country. And republicans are not the ones moving in. I still think it is maybe a cycle away from being a toss-up.

If the whites is western NC, Charlotte included think Obama may have a chance, then they will come out in droves.

This is where Rev. Wright will hurt Obama.

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thoughtful:

Kiptin

Are you the same poster who accused Obama gerrymandering the election by getting the AA turn out up and doubling registration?


It's the Administration's Bill. If you are going to pursue this Kiptin/Undecided

I will come after you.

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KipTin:

Hey... thoughtful...Why do you feel compelled to continue to disparage me? I am not ignoring any poll. I am comparing apples to apples. PPP poll against the previous PPP poll.

You wrongly accused me of dis-information and being disingenuous because you are not paying attention to factual information. And if you have a problem with that information, then refute with your own facts. But no more name-calling.

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KipTin:

My Representative just e-mailed me to explain why she voted against the bailout bill. A huge majority of her constituents (Democrat, Republican, Independent) happen to agree with her.

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JCK:

Batony,

I'm not convinced he's going to win NC. I'm merely shocked that it's polling competitively.

Look at where Kerry was polling four years ago.

But I think, in no sense, is McCain "lucky" to be in the position he's in right now: having to defend what was projected to be a reliably red state.

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thoughtful:

@ Kiptin

I apologise nuff said. Just wanted to correct a misrepresentation as I see it. There was A very recent Ras poll +2. There's a confirmed trend that's the difference

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PortlandRocks:

Batony great tourism commercial for your state "If the whites think Obama has a chance, they will come out in droves." YEEEEEHAAAAA!!!!

McCain said he was going to lead the Republican charge, he was going to make sure that this was a bipartisan success...he called charge, and the Republican retreated. That's what happened here.

Here's what McCain staff and surrogates were saying before the vote:

"This bill would not have been agreed to had it not been for John McCain... This is a bipartisan accomplishment, a bipartisan success. And if people want to get something done in Washington, they just watch John McCain. He's been the guy whose name is at the top of major pieces of legislation for a long time."
-- Mitt Romney, NBC's Today show, 9/29/08

"What Senator McCain was able to do was to help bring all of the parties to the table, including the House Republicans, whose votes were needed to pass this"
-- Steve Schmidt, NBC's Meet the Press, 9/28/08

"We're optimistic that Senator McCain will bring House Republicans on board without driving other parties away, resulting in a successful deal for the American taxpayer."
-- McCain spokeswoman Kimmie Lipscomb, 9/26/08

WOW! WHAT A FREAKIN' LEADER!

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PortlandRocks:

The better Obama polls in NC, win or not, VA will be a sure thing. Watch it!

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KipTin:

Why would I accuse Obama of "gerrymandering" the election, if that was indeed possible for electoral votes? Or do you mean that the Obama campaign had identified 55 million eligible voters that they intend to target to get them registered. A fact (not an accusation) that I stated from an Obama press release.

What is this "I will come after you?" Is that a threat? What in the heck does such language mean? Do you need a time out?

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zotz:

The Pelosi speech excuse shows that the Republicans care more about the their party than the United States. That is were their loyalty lies. Obviously members of both paties in tight contests believe that voting against the bill would help them politically because of letters, e-mails, and polls denouncing the plan. However if the Dow collapses and businesses start failing because of the credit crisis the public will blame the Reps.

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Batony:

Connor:

McCain is far from being out of this. C'mon now you know better than that. This is politics. He has plenty of hands to play. If the election were next week, then I would agree with you, but he has 5 weeks left.

I think suspending his campaign and saying he would not attend the debate, was the dumbest thing he could have done. As far as Palin, if she has a solid debate performance, then she immediately becomes a big asset again. Remember there are tons of voters who want to see her do well. She's likeable. Romney is not likeable

As far as the press, well everyone assumes the press is in Obama's back pocket. Which they are...so as far them turning on McCain, that only matters to us political junkies like we obviously are.

This thing is a long ways from over..unless Palin absolutely bombs on Thursday night.

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KipTin:

The Dow will not collapse. Good grief, Citibank just acquired Wachovia. The world is not ending.

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VonnegutIce9:

The economy will tank and we have the House Republicans to thank...thanks for cleaning up your own mess! Idiots!

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thoughtful:

Kip Tin

Let me re-phrase Friend if you mis report "Facts", I'll come back at you,

Zotz has got this right but wrong.

The global economy is crashing and all we can do is score cheap political points.

Now I do need some time out. I am in China its 4.30 in the morning and there is going to be financial carnage on an unprecedented scale in the Pacific Rim, in just a few hours time.

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PortlandRocks:

batony Palin WILL bomb. She doesn't even have the vocabulary to keep up let alone the knowledge. It's going to be embarassing. I feel sorry for her actually...I mean who wouldn't say yes to being VP but McCain was a sexist picking a sexy soccer Mom over a more skilled Republican woman. Disgusting.

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IndependentThinker:

I just got a closer look at the crosstabs of the just-released ppp polls showing +2 for Obama in NC.But I was surprised that the party id weightings is : 48% democrats and 34% republicans

A spread of 14% in favor of democrats ???
Given Bush won this state by +12 in 2004 that doesn't sound factual to me. Maybe since 2006 the trend is reversed or maybe I miss something, it's quite possible ... so could someone justify how it's possible?

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macsuk:

Batony

Have you seen anthing to make you think that Palin will not bomb on Thursday night?

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Connor:

@Batony

I disagree.

I think Palin IS that bad. And I think the punditry has pretty much cemented their judgment of Palin. It's too late. (Hint: the rest of the CBS interview...is really, really bad. I thought it was a joke when a friend passed it along. Just wait.) I think the narrative will be "well she's not as dumb as a BRICK..." But that doesn't matter: the "shine" is still gone. Nothing will recover it.

Like I said, it's not over. You're right in that regard. I'm just saying that as far as "things McCain can do," there's not much left. All McCain had that made him 'special' was the Maverick/bi-partisan image. That is gone. Obliterated. What's left? 1. A Republican and 2. Not Obama (a white guy).

Let's also not forget that as far as the public's concerned, McCain's on the opposite side of most every issue.

This will be about "can Americans get comfortable with Obama?" And it's looking like they are.

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JCK:

Batony,

If Palin has good debate performance, I will be shocked. I know the bar has been lowered beyond belief, but she can't put together a coherent sentence about international relations. Read the transcripts of her interviews out loud. She's just babbling. She really has no idea.

She is in so far over her head. "Stockdale" is the only thing that comes to my mind, "Who am I? Why am I here?"

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kerrchdavis:

Apparently the McCain campaign was claiming credit for the bailout before it was passed. Guys, check out this gem:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080929/pl_afp/usvote_080929144550;_ylt=Ag6nlC00hhcp5toDiOoPyaupg9IF

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PortlandRocks:

IndependentThinker what were the "cross tabs" for Rasmussen with the same result?

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masselo:

obama is up by 2 points in a new PPD poll for North carolina -- well, well . Mcsame is in trouble

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JCK:

IndependentThinker,

A lot of people in NC are registered Democrats for local elections that always vote Republican in national elections.

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Batony:

Portland Rocks:

Va and NC are two very interesting states. In NC there are about 9 majority black public and private colleges , and the NC public universities still have 12% african-american requirement. That's one reason I laughed when people thought Hillary had a chance in NC. In Va there are only 4 majority black colleges.

The two population centers in NC couldn't be more different. Raleigh-Durham with the Research Triangle Park is a Democratic haven, while Charlotte is Nascar capital of the world. That is what is going to hurt Obama in NC. Outside of every urban center in NC, and there really are only 4 at the most, with two being considered major, it's Nascar country.

In Va, the southwestern corner of the state and the Norfolk area will be Obama's biggest challenges. Despite a heavy African-American pop. in the Hampton Roads area, it is still dominated by the military. That's where John McCain dominates. Obama will have to absolutely crush McCain in Northern Va...I personally don't see that happening.

However, I agree that it is interesting to see Obama doing so well.

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IndependentThinker:

@PortlandRocks
I unfortunately don't know the "cross tabs" for Rasmussen with the same result

@JCK
"A lot of people in NC are registered Democrats for local elections that always vote Republican in national elections."

Interesting, though it would be helpful if you could provide me with a link that corroborates your statement, thanks anyway !!

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mirrorball:

@IndependentThinker:

http://www.sboe.state.nc.us/content.aspx?ID=33

Last year's voter reg data:
Dem 45%
GOP 34$
Unaffiliated 21%

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PortlandRocks:

From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Lost in the big news of the bailout failure and the subsequent plunging Dow, is a court decision in Ohio which could have big implications for the presidential race.

Republican-backed lawsuits went to the Ohio Supreme Court, and the court, by a 4-3 vote, "upheld a weeklong period in which new voters can register and cast an absentee ballot on the same day in Ohio. Another federal court decision was expected later in the day over the early voting window...." (The Ohio Supreme Court has six Republicans and one Democrat.)

Previously, voters had to be "registered for at least 30 days before receiving an absentee ballot."

This is the first presidential election in Ohio in which voters can vote absentee and early without excuse. Election officials have pushed the effort as a way to eliminate long lines and voting complications of years past. In 2004, Democrats alleged voter disenfranchisement in areas with large African-American populations, as voters waited hours and hours to vote.

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Batony:

@Independent Thinker

He's right. There are still a lot of white conservative Democrats in NC. What that means is that they will never vote for the National Democratic ticket....

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PortlandRocks:

OMG that was HILARIOUS. Thugs said 12 Republicans "changed their vote" because of Pelosi's words. Frank said give me the name of those 12 people and I'll go say nice things to them so they'll vote to save America. LOL The media busted up laughing.

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mirrorball:

Obviously that should be

GOP 34%

not 34$

more current data is available by county, but without percentages, and I don't have time right now to do the math myself.

http://www.app.sboe.state.nc.us/NCSBE/VR/VR%20Stats/vr_stats_results.asp?EC=09-27-2008

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JCK:

@Ind Think
I think mirrorball has it. NC has more Dems than Reps, but voted for W over Kerry 56-44 in 2004.

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Batony:

My suggestion to Dems...no offense to either person. By keep Pelosi and Barney Frank out of the news. They do not help Obama in Va, NC, CO or NV. Or any those other locations where he needs white conservative votes.

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DecaturMark:

McCain has a real problem with the failure of the bailout measurement. Last week it was so important to pass this measure that he suspended his campaign to go back to Washington. (Now, everyone knows that it was a political gambit and if a bill had been passed then he could in a small way claim a bit of credit). But since it did not pass; and because Congress is going to pass some sort of legislation by next week, McCain has put himself in an untenable position. He cannot suspend his campaign again to get the measure to pass (he tried that trick already), so he will work the phones while campaigning like Obama did. And when it passes next week with McCain out of the picture. He will be perceive, rightly or wrongly, as the cause of the failure to get the measure passed this week. It will show him as an infective leader. It will show that Congress can work together when McCain is not around.

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Batony:

Decatur Mark:

That's a stretch. What's hurting McCain is he actually doesn't have a plan for the middle class. I am starting to wonder, if his campaign advisors realize that the middle class will decide this election. And his lack of campaigning continues to be a sore spot for me.

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Batony:

Furthermore...if all the Dems had voted for the bill, it passes. The Dems do have the majority right? So really Bush, McCain, Obama and especially Pelosi look bad. She had 94 House Dems bail on her. And Drudge is not making her look any better.

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@kiptin
Once upon a time there was a young man who wrote a book called "Profiles in Courage". The book was a collection of vignettes of legislators who voted against the popular tide (and their constituents) wishes for the good of America. So excuse, me if the email from your legislator explaining why she voted against this bill which her consitutents also opposed just indicates to me that she is another political hack. BTW, I retired (self-employed so will be getting a check from no one but myself) the day before this disaster became incapable of being ignored any more and it must be nice for you to have had your credit limit increased but that doesn't impress me either. It indicates that you, like McSame, have no contact with the vast majority of people in this country.

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KipTin:

Hey... if the economy "tanks" then you better send evil e-mails to those 95 Democrats who did not vote for the House "bailout" bill. Only needed 15 Democrats to change their vote to pass.

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Wow, credit is tight, huh? Suzi Ormann is "scaring" everybody right now on CNN. Sell your stocks now if you need money within the next year. May not even be able to get money out of your AMT. Yowzie!!! Talk about dis-information.

As I previously stated my bank just raised my credit by $5000 as of last Friday. Citibank just acquired Wachovia.

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KipTin:

Oops, make that change of 12 Democrat NO votes to YES votes. Did not need Republicans.

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KipTin:

"Profiles in Courage?" Hmmm.... 1999 Profile in Courage Award webt ti Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona and Democratic Senator Russell Feingold of Wisconsin for seeking to address their respective party’s fundraising excesses and regulate the torrent of special interest money pouring into each party’s coffers.
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The polls show that only 1/3 Americans (up from 1/4 a few days earlier) approve this bailout deal... so how does that translate into political hack? I think many are just following Obama's lead to "put the middle class first" rather than Wall Street. Maybe Obama should modify his message to strongly support the bailout if it is so necessary.

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Clint Cooper:

This poll can be tossed aside. Blacks making up only 10% of the electorate in Florida and McCain getting 21% of blacks?

Um, no.

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KipTin:

Blacks make up a 12-14% of Florida voters, and many of them are military or veterans and their families. Bush got 13% of the Florida African-American vote in 2004.

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thoughtful:

@Kip Tin

Do you honestly think that Obama will have less appeal to AAs in Florida than Kerry and McCain will have more appeal than Bush (13%)?

In 2004 AA turnout was 12% do you think it's going to be less in this election with an AA candidate?

Its a long stretch and interpretation of the facts.

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levotb:

McCain's hanging tough in FL is NOT good news for O lovers. There's a very string military voted there as well as a large contingent of Army and Marines who are overseas. Many of them voted for Bush in 2004 but becaue of the war, did not get their votes counted in time. This time around, I'm sure there will be ample opportunity for ALL servicemen and women to exercise their constitutional right.

Lost in the Obama gains in PA in today's Rasmussen poll is the fact that McCain has caught up with O in CO, a crucial swing state that O has led in for some time. McCain MUST win VA, FL, OH and CO to win. He's locked down NC and IN, in my opinion. Winning VA and FL will give McCain the entire South.

Also lost in the Rasmussen poll today was the fact that McCain is close but still behind in MN and WI.

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levotb:

I should qualify what I wrote above, that McCain MUST win:

OH
FL
VA

and either

CO

or

MN

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nktop:

Has anyone noticed that Obama is not really doing much to come up with a plan or even being around the action in Washington to push for the bill to be passed. He doesn't have a specific agenda on the bailout, is not around the action to work on it, but flying around the country playing the blame-game politics without offering solution or being an active part of it. Where is his ability and willingness to reach across, or even within, the isle to get things done? Too busy playing politics?

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TheCanadian:

Looking at the makeup of registered voters in FL, Obama probably actually leads. This poll has a R+2 turnout. The state has a D+4 makeup of registered voters. Adjusting for this, Obama probably leads by 1-3 points.

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Dan:

levot - I agree with your accessment, and the election could come down to CO. I find it hard to believe that a rep. could win the home state of HHH, but anything is possible. VA will be the interesting state to watch early. I think McCain has FL and NC, and Obama has PA, MI, and WI. OH has a history of late results, so it may take us late into the night. Let's not forget NM. It's results typically take days to decipher. Could be another long night.

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