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FOX/Rasmussen: FL, MO, OH, NC, VA (10/12)

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FOX News / Rasmussen
10/12/2008, 1000 likely voters interviewed in each state, MOE +/- 3
Mode: IVR/Automated
Fox story, Rasmussen overview

Florida (story, toplines)
Obama 51, McCain 46, Nader 0, Barr 1, McKinney 0
(10/5: Obama 52, McCain 45, Nader 1, Barr 0, McKinney 0)

Missouri (story, toplines)
Obama 50, McCain 47, Barr 0, Nader 1, McKinney 0
(10/5: Obama 50, McCain 47, Barr 1, Nader 1, McKinney 0)

North Carolina (story, toplines)
Obama 48, McCain 48, Barr 1, Nader 0, McKinney 0
(10/8: Obama 49, McCain 48, Barr 0, Nader 0, McKinney 0)

Ohio (story, toplines)
Obama 49, McCain 47, Barr 0, Nader 1, McKinney 0
(10/5: McCain 48, Obama 47, Barr 1, Nader 1, McKinney 0)

Virginia (story, toplines)
Obama 50, McCain 47, Barr 1, Nader 0, McKinney 0
(10/5: Obama 50, McCain 48, Barr 1, Nader 0, McKinney 0)

 

Comments
buskertype:

come on MO!

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political_junki:

What is really surprising is very low number of Barr in NC and VA. I guess no body wants to waste his vote...

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metsmets:

FAIL!!

OMG! THEY OVER-SAMPLED BARR and NADER!!

THIS POLL WAS CONDUCTED BEFORE 4:00 PM when THE DJIA CLOSED UP 900 PTS.
RAS TELLS ME MCCAIN POLLING STRONG NUMBERS EVER SINCE THEN..

Etc. Etc.

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w110pxp:

its not that, its foxnews/rasmussen lol... but yea it doesn't look good for mcshame.

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johncoz:

McCain hasn't won a poll in Florida since SurveyUSA gave him +1 on 9/28.

And without Florida it's Game Over.

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freedomreigns:

If you believe that this is an accurate polling, it is not 100% bad news for the McCain campaign. That Obama is below 50 in both Ohio and North Carolina is great news.

Having said that, the Virginia number has to be upsetting and the Florida number in particular has got to be Terrifying.

As of today, Obama wins unless the undecideds move to McCain at nearly 100%, and maybe even then it will not be enough.

The last debate and the turnout will define the result of the next 22 days.

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w110pxp:

yea there is no way... mccain needs to defend too many red states, obama on the other hand can still win without fla and ohio... mccain has to win every single battleground state to win

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miatch:

Obama wins Florida and it's game over.

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freedomreigns:

Does anyone think West Virginia is actually in play?

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Atomique:

Hear that? The last dying trumpets of the elephant that's been crushing this country for the last eight years!

Yes we can! ¡Sí se puede!
Obama/Biden 2008!

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w110pxp:

it might be...

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miatch:

Freedom,

it's in the margin. I see Obama winning this thing with 370 EVs.

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w110pxp:

claro que si se puede! :)

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european bystander:

Given all this overwhelming numbers, how large away from the actual outcome are pollsters typically come election day?

How large a lead does Obama need to make me sleep well?

rgds,
Michael

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w110pxp:

claro que si se puede! :)

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pbcrunch:

Those are all good numbers for Obama.

Ras has finally flipped OH to Obama -- pretty much the last pollster to do so -- even if it's still within the MOE.

Obama has been at 50% in VA for weeks while McCain has fluctuated 2-5 points below that; other pollsters have Obama's lead to be considerably larger.

NC is going to be the OH of 2004 or the FL of 2000 in terms of closeness so a tie there is fine. Really, if the tipping point state is NC, Obama's gathering up 350+ EVs.

FL continues to be strong. MO will be a good pick up.

In the end, McCain needs ALL of these states to win plus IN, CO and NV where he's currently behind or it's very close.

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faithhopelove:

SUSA and right-leaning Rasmussen have both released polls of MO today. SUSA, with a small sample (under 600), shows MO trending toward Obama (+8). Right-leaning Rasmussen, with a healthier sample size (1,000), shows a steadier race in MO, with Obama ahead there by 3 points for the 2nd consecutive week. Looking at the internals, it appears that SUSA has too many Democrats in its sample. Rasmussen's internals show little room for movement in MO, as both Obama and McCain have solidified their base in the state, and independents are split evenly.

Obama has led MO in 4 of the last 5 polls. The most recent visit to the state by either campaign was made by Biden last week. Neither campaign has announced any future visits.

McCain will most likely need a game-changer to overtake Obama there--perhaps a winning debate performance on Wednesday night. If the contest in MO remains close, GOTV efforts may prove decisive. Obama has over 40 field offices in MO; McCain has 16.


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McCain doesn't have enough fingers to plug all the holes in this dam, and its about to bust out all over him. Can this last for 3 more weeks?

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buskertype:

As a West Virginian I think WV is absolutely in play. We have a democratic gov, two Dem senators, and two of three representatives are democrats. With the economy failing WV will move back towards its democratic roots. People forget that Obama got blown out here in the primary mostly because A)Bill Clinton is VERY popular and B) Obama NEVER campaigned here, maybe one or two days tops, while the Clintons practically lived here for a month before the vote. I think WV could turn blue with even just a little effort from Obama.

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bclintonk:

Two polls today showing Obama leading in Missouri, showing clear movement in his direction in the "Show-Me" State, a reversal from just a week or two ago. McCain's goose is cooked. He can't defend all these formerly red battlegrounds, and to win he'd need to draw an inside straight---a complete sweep of every single state that's still in play. And after a couple more polls like this, people are going to start saying Florida is no longer in play.

It's over. The McCain people must be feeling what Jimmy Carter's supporters felt around this time in 1980, when voters really began to get comfortable with the idea of Ronald Reagan in the White house and starting flocking to him en masse, and states starting falling like dominoes in his direction.

Landslide!

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carl29:

This was the electoral college count 4 years ago:

RealClearPolitics Electoral Count
Thursday, October 14: Bush 264 - Kerry 237

Solid Bush (176)

Leaning Bush (88)

Toss Up (37)

Leaning Kerry (84)

Solid Kerry (153)

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RealClearPolitics current electoral college:

Obama/Biden 304 - McCain/Palin 158

Solid McCain (140)

Leaning McCain (18)

Toss Up (76)

Leaning Obama (93)

Solid Obama (140)

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buskertype:

I don't mean to downplay the racism of my fellow hillbillies, but most of the racists hate rich people more, so in this election (with Obama shrewdly painting McCain as Richy Rich) I think it's basically a wash.

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faithhopelove:

Marist, with a decent sample size, finds Obama increasing his lead in OH from 2 to 4 points since its last poll. Right-leaning Rasmussen's new OH poll (1,000 likely voters) shows Obama ahead of McCain by 2 points. This Obama lead is somewhat surprising, as Rasmussen's OH polls have consistently been among the most McCain-favorable. Before Rasmussen's new OH poll, 13 of 17 OH polls had shown Obama ahead there; 3 of the 4 exceptions were Rasmussen polls. Similarly, in 2004 Rasmussen's final OH poll showed Kerry losing OH by 4 points; Kerry went on to lose the state by just 2 points.

Today's Rasmussen poll of OH shows the state to be an uphill climb for McCain, as it finds him trailing by 2 points despite the fact that he is doing better with Republicans than Obama is doing with Democrats.

In terms of strategy, Obama appears to have had the goal of nailing down PA early, and then of moving on to do the same in OH. Today, Hillary had an event in PA that capped a 9-day period in which the Obama campaign saturated the state with visits and advertising (Obama is now outspending McCain on advertising in PA; McCain had been outspending Obama there earlier). Over this stretch, Obama made 5 PA stops over 2 days, Biden spent multiple days in the state, and Hillary and Bill Clinton had a joint event with Biden; even Bruce Springsteen got in on the action, offering a free concert in Philly that attracted tens of thousands. The reward? 8 consecutive PA polls showing Obama up double-digits there, including 2 today.

In OH, Obama appears to be hoping for similar results by means of a similar saturation. Late last week, he made 6 stops over 2 days in the state. Yesterday, he returned to the state for debate prep, and even spent some time knocking on doors. Today, he had an event there, and he remains in the state through tomorrow. Tomorrow, Biden arrives in the state, where he will have 6 events over a 2-day period. On Thursday, Bill Clinton campaigns for Obama in the Cleveland area. Obama now leads McCain in OH newspaper endorsements 4 to 1. And as for prospective GOTV efforts in OH, Obama has a 2 to 1 advantage in field offices; see:
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/on-road-columbus-ohio.html

Curiously, neither McCain nor Palin is sceduled to visit this crucial state anytime between now and Saturday. (Bob Barr will be campaigning there later in the week, and he may draw some votes away from McCain.) Their schedule does, however, include 3 stops over 2 days in PA.

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carl29:

This was the electoral college count 4 years ago:

RealClearPolitics Electoral Count
Thursday, October 14: Bush 264 - Kerry 237

Solid Bush (176)

Leaning Bush (88)

Toss Up (37)

Leaning Kerry (84)

Solid Kerry (153)

=====================================


RealClearPolitics current electoral college:

Obama/Biden 304 - McCain/Palin 158

Solid McCain (140)

Leaning McCain (18)

Toss Up (76)

Leaning Obama (93)

Solid Obama (211)*

*I made the mistake of getting McCain number, ew :-)


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KipTin:

Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, and Virginia pretty well unchanged. Still real toss-ups.

Obama lead in Florida down 2 points. Probably moving back to a tighter race, with the economy "crisis" over.

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freedomreigns:

Kiptin makes an important point. you will find over the next 10 days
"Probably moving back to a tighter race, with the economy "crisis" over."

Kip is right, the polls will close over the next two weeks. Unless there is a major flub or crisis, it won't close enough to change the race dramatically, but it could push FL and OH back to red.

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I can't wait until November 4th. You Republicans keep talking trash, as if a one day rebound in our stock market after the worst economic crisis in our nations history will help McCain. Obama is going to win in a landslide victory.

You keep dreaming, you hateful Republicans, because we only have 3 more weeks until Obama and the Democrats take our country back, and our country will once again have happyness and prosperity. Barack Obama and Joe Biden will make our country the most respected, and the greatest nation on earth again.

The Democrats and the people in our country have suffered for 8 long years with the idiotic Republican agenda of hate, fear, war mongering and greed.

VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA AND LETS GET A DEMOCRAT WIN IN NOVEMBER!

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Pacific moderate:

Where is boomshat to tell us that these polls don't reflect McCains boost resulting from the Phillies' NLCS performance?

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johncoz:

@carl29

What those figures don't make fully clear is that of the 76 EV that are toss-up on RCP, only 15 are leaning McCain (IN and WV). The electoral college just gets relentlessly worse for McCain with each week.

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Joe Sixpack:

Decent poll numbers overall, though the leads Obama holds are way too small for comfort. The positive thing is that he reached or breached 50% in FL, MO and VA. The MO numbers are too new and singular, and should be considered unreliable until verified by several other polls. Another nice thing is that there appears to be very few undecided voters left, no more than 3-4% in each case. There's only a very small number of people McCain can appeal to in order to catch up. Personally I'd love to see Obama do better in NC; that would be transformative.

This is not at all time to be complacent. Polls don't get anyone elected, votes do. Please, keep contributing money/time/effort to the Obama campaign.

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pbcrunch:

I'm confused why FL is now solid blue. Is pollster.com changing the method for coloring now that we're getting closer to the election?

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Frankie:

Boom shake shake shake the room, Boom shake shake shake the room, shake shake shake shake, BOOM!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ_b0MBVLWA

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falcon79:

@kiptin:
while its true the dow surged today, by no means is that a clear sign that the crisis is over.
Our nation is currently over 10,000,000,000 (10 trillion!) dollars in debt, gas prices are still almost 3 times higher than they were back in 2000 when Bush took office, unemployment is burgeoning, real income has plummeted, and millions of American jobs are being shipped overseas.
Put into perspective, the Dow Jones surging today is a drop in the ocean... by no means is this economy fixed, nor will it be for many more years to come.
It is time to elect a leader who understands the economy, and who offers a steady hand and practical solutions to the troubles of middle America.
OBAMA/BIDEN 08.

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carl29:

pbcrunch,

It could be that McCain hasn't led in one single Florida poll since the end of September?

FOX News/Rasmussen 10/12 - 10/12 1000 LV
Obama 51 McCain 46 Obama +5

Research 2000 10/06 - 10/08 600 LV
Obama 49 McCain 44 Obama +5

Rasmussen 10/08 - 10/08 700 LV
Obama 50 McCain 47 Obama +3

Strategic Vision (R) 10/06 - 10/08 1200 LV
Obama 52 McCain 44 Obama +8

Mason-Dixon 10/04 - 10/06 625 LV
Obama 48 McCain 46 Obama +2

FOX News/Rasmussen 10/05 - 10/05 1000 LV
McCain 52 Obama 45 Obama +7

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According to RCP, Florida Average
10/04 -10/12 Obama 50% McCain 45%/ Obama +5%

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Frankie:

BOOM shake shake shake the room
BOOM shake shake shake the room
BOOM shake shake shake the room
tick tick tick tick BOOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ_b0MBVLWA

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IndependentThinker:

@KipTin

Seemingly you're still grasping at straws

"Obama lead in Florida down 2 points"

What the hell you're talking about?
You meant he's up 2 points, right? because according to the previous Ras FL poll he was leading by +3

Rasmussen 10/08 - 10/08 700 LV 50 47 Obama +3

Economic crisis over?? -- You sound like an ET, I am not sure we live in the same country. People are still losing their jobs, their homes and you said the economic crisis is over, you are kidding right?

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johncoz:

@kiptin & freedom reigns

A "tightening" of the race is of course always possible, but at the moment there is zero evidence for such a movement. The economic crisis is only just beginning, even if Wall St have staged (finally) a recovery today.

Obama's commanding position on the electoral map has been building over weeks. It will not be easily undone. And it certainly won't be undone by the clowns running the McCain campaign, who seem to hit new highs of incompetence with each passing day.

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laguna_b:

Oh yeah, one day rally in the stock market....all ou problems are behind us! Banks are liquid, lending smiling, big dividends, employment growing "the fundamentals of the economy are strong" "we know Saddam has WMDs" etc etc.

KipTin, you MUST be delusional.....we are going to see a scarey roller coaster with a 2-3000 point plunge as equal a probablity as 1-2000pt rally for teh next few months....things are definitely NOT over in the financial crisis....


But then the real question is "why would anyone want 4 more years with McCain????"

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Thatcher:

@falcon79, KipTin, freedomreigns

KipTin says:
"Obama lead in Florida down 2 points. Probably moving back to a tighter race, with the economy "crisis" over."

Really, its over? only today did it bounce up (buying surge to pick up some "cheap" stocks, really - keep watching).

So those in Florida that were polled over the weekend knew before today that the market was going up and the ' "crisis" over' ... really?

Wow - the old saying is right ... in the land of the blind .... McCain is king.

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KipTin:

First...everyone... I am NOT a Republican. I did not vote for either Bush. I did not vote for Reagon. I did not vote for Nixon.

Second... I am NOT delusional. The markets seem to be calming because of a coordinated effort by several nations including the U.S. (and ironically with Bush playing a positive role.) Maybe you should watch or read some economic analysis without the political ideology coloring it.

Third... I did not say the recession is over. I said the "crisis" is over. BIG DIFFERENCE.

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Trosen:

KipTin:

"Probably moving back to a tighter race, with the economy "crisis" over."

I... I don't even know what to say to a statement like that. This is why your party is on the brink of annihilation. There's out of touch, and then there's having your head so far in the sand you can no longer comprehend daylight.

Anyway, look. 5 polls. 5 FOX FREAKIN' NEWS SPONSORED POLLS!! 5 crucial states. 5 2004 Bush states. McCain is down ALL of them. Spin away..

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IndependentThinker:

@KipTin

based on your postings on this blog it's hard to believe you're not a Republican. I know it's not easy to say so nowadays but the fact of the matter is we will still be talking about this economic crisis beyond Nov 4th. We don't need to have a high IQ to figure out that because Wall Street recovers a little bit today that doesn't mean everything is fine and then the focus should shift to another issue, that's just delusional and downright ludicrous

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falcon79:

@Thatcher:
no idea why you had me on the same pg as Kiptin and freedom reigns (ewww)
didn't you read my last ost a few posts up arguing against these McManiacs???
lol

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falcon79:

@Thatcher:
no idea why you had me on the same pg as Kiptin and freedom reigns (ewww)
didn't you read my last post a few posts up arguing against these McManiacs???
lol

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KipTin:

FYI... I did not indicate that today's stock market gain affected the polls. Notably, the poll was taken after Paulson made his announcement on Friday that the U.S. would begin buying shares in financial institutions as soon as possible, AND the leaders of the European Union were meeting to come up with a plan to backstop European financial markets.

And Friday's market was not so bad anyway. The stock market looked like another day of massive loss but then in the last hour of trading changed direction upward. NASDAQ even had a small gain. Glass now starting to look half full, instead of half empty.

Most people were just looking for some kind of stabilizing influence.

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carl29:

IndependentThinker,

She, KipTin, is a woman "of certain age" who is pissed off because Obama trashed Hillary's dreams of being president, sweet :-)!! Don't worry those type of "emotional" behavior is typical of her "phase" in life. Don't get her all worked up because the hot-flashes get worse.

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logic001:

Hello Kiptin, your response seems very reasonable which is good. I'd probably disagree about the crisis being over, I fear that the worst is yet to come, although it may play out over longer time periods so it won't have the same feeling of urgency.

Somewhat off topic, I think energy, specifically the whole Peak Oil scenario, is probably going to be a much bigger deal in the coming decade than most people suspect. From the reading I've done, we're truly in a pickle now. Even if we drill like mad for domestic oil, *and* build lots of nuke plants, *and* build up renewable energy, *and* conserve a lot more, it won't be enough to offset the declines in daily flow rates from existing oil fields. I hope I'm wrong but again, from the numbers I've been reading for a few years, our energy future is terrifying.

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freedomreigns:

Sigh. . . I am not a McCain supporter. I am an independent (voting for Obama this year) who looks at polls independently.

If you actually READ my comments, you'll see that I prefaced it by saying "If you believe that this is an accurate polling,". Of course I believe that Fox/Rass polls are leaning red.

Having said that, I think it is very import to remember that there are 22 days left! The race is NOT over. The debate and any random flub by Obama has the potential to change the race.

PLEASE don't assign me a label. I view polls as numerical values and trends, not with bias.

So I restate my thoughts, Yes I believe the race will tighten in the last two weeks simply because there are alot of undecideds which will push up McCain's numbers. But that does NOT mean Obama's will go down. Just that McCain will go up.

But NO, I do not believe that they can tighten enough for McCain to win UNLESS there is:
1. A major mistake by Obama or Biden.
2. A terrorist attack/major foreign policy issue
3. A major debate win for McCain.

BUT THERE ARE STILL 22 DAYS LEFT. Please! I beg you. Don't get cocky.

Yes, the race will tighten. TURNOUT Matters!

Sigh. . . Relax with the labels please.

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straight talk:

McCain is going to lose Bad! He is defending to many states. Obama's new proposals on the economy will help him in the debate! Plus I do not know why John McCain is still protecting Palin! She is a talent! I cANNOT BELIEVE THAT oBAMA'S 49 STATE STRATEGY IS WORKING SO WELL!

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KipTin:

Hey... carl29... What kind of obsessive ding-a-ling are you? Why does your hate for Hillary spill over into everything? Why are you living in the past? It has been four months since the last Democratic primary.

P.S. Your ongoing "menopausal" comments are totally irrelevant to me and this forum. Is your rude behavior a result of your lack of intellect, or your disgust with the idea that you are going to be an older woman sooner than you want? Is growing old too much for you to handle?

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thisniss:

Something to keep in mind about the Rasmussen NC polls: their internals do *not* include a geographic breakdown (as PPP & Civitas do). NC is an extremely heterogeneous state, and geography matters at least as much as any other single demographic category for accurate polling sample. Imagine trying to do a national poll where you pulled all your "Democrats" from Utah and all your "Republicans" from New York. The same kind of skew is true in NC - while this is a truly "purple" state, it is made so by deeply divided pockets of blue and red, so you have to make sure that your sampling accounts for that to get an accurate picture of the state as a whole.

Another piece of the polling difference between Rasmussen's numbers and PPP's/Civitas's (both of whom are NC-based, one Dem and one Repub) is the party ID break-down. Registration ID in NC:

Democrat: 45.4%
Republican: 32.4%
Unaffiliated: 22%

Rasmussen's current targets: 39.3% Dem, 33% Rep, 27.4% Un.

So, yeah. A tie in NC is good news for Obama. :-)

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IndependentThinker:

@carl29

It's very easy to guess she's a woman of a "certain" who is still disappointed by Hillary's loss. Just read through her lines. By the way I didn't hear too much about the PUMA thing since one month, they are seemingly starting to realize that voting McCain is voting against their own interests and the sake could not be higher this year
Anyway, I am very respectful towards people of a "certain age" but I am pissed of by some statements such as "economic crisis is over"
It's unbelievable!

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carl29:

IndependentThinker,

Of course that now the great majority of Democrats are behind Obama, except by small number of crazy/spoiled/bitter people. Unfortunately for the PUMAS, the movement didn't last that long and those "bitter" Hillary supporters fell in line behind Obama. Now every pollster shows Obama is gathering the same % of support from Democrats than McCain is getting from his Republicans.

There are always a few nuts out there :-)!!!

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cjk002:

Why are all the Republicans saying the economic crisis is over simply because the Dow went up?

Did people somehow magically stop losing their homes? Did all of those lost manufacturing jobs in Ohio and Michigan suddenly reappear?

This is a perfect example of how Republicans just don't get the economy. They think that because a few investors made some of their money back, that means everyone will just forget their own personal financial problems and vote for McCain.

To paraphrase one of McCains attack ads: "how delusional."

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zen:


Rasmussens don't poll cell phone users.
So, you have to add 2-3 percent for Obama.
In Primary, Obama far outperformed in NC, IN, VA than the polls where lots of AA and campus kids were voting.

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wakeup:

I miss push polling... "Would you support a candidate that gave money to the PLO?"

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Vin4Obama:

McCain said today "We got them where we really want to be"
Well Maverick/Barracuda - We would love to stay "right here" until election day.
Hey Bush Supporter, has it blown up in your face yet??

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boomshak:

4 States within MOE and 5th just barely above. Nothing surprising here.

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boomshak:

ACORN in Lake County, Indiana: All 2,100 of First 2,100 ACORN Registrations Fraudulent
—Ace
Every. Single. One.

From Drew Griffiths, apparently the only reporter at CNN capable of doing a negative story on Obama and his stooges.

Stay with it to the end: He grills an ACORN spokesman. Sadly, not Scott Levenson.

He blames the government for some reason.

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carl29:

"McCain said today 'We got them where we really want to be'"

I loved it :-)!!!

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boomshak:
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Trosen:

KipTin, my friend, with all due respect.. you drone on about the virtues of Reagan 101 supply-side economics and cringe at the thought of Obama rolling back the Bush tax cuts. In fact, that seems to be your main problem with Obama. So according to you, I am to understand..

You voted Carter over Reagan
You voted Mondale over Reagan
You voted Dukakis over Bush I
you voted Clinton over Bush I
you voted Gore over Dubya
You voted Kerry over Dubya

But now, you've discovered in John McCain (and I guess Palin), this shining beacon of centrism and positivity that can break from the bonds of Dick/Cheney politics and return the U.S. to the right economic track. And subsequently, you see in Barack Obama a dangerous, unqualified wild-eyed liberal who plays ping-pong with terrorists and couldn't possibly live up to the political potential of Walter Mondale or John Kerry.

Please tell me what I'm missing in this equation.

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boomshak:

Sherrif Who Dared to Use Obama's Middle Name Now Under Investigation
—Ace
For violating the Hatch Act, for supposedly using his position as sheriff to influence an election.

I sort of don't think that's what the law is supposed to cover -- just speaking at an event, as opposed to using one's power as sheriff to influence an election -- or else can someone explain to me why I always see sheriffs huddling around Democrats as the police unions endorse the Democratic candidate?

As they do in most elections?

Are all those guys to be investigated?

This is creepy. Obama's goon patrol of prosecutors promised speedy action against those who spoke "lies" about The One, and here we are.

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wakeup:

RNC should take out inner city air time... if you registered through ACORN the FBI is watching you.

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Trosen:

Yes boomshak.. ACORN committed voter registration fraud. You know what that will do to the vote count? Nothing. Dead people can't rise from the grave and vote. Fictitious people can't materialize on the street and go vote. (Nor do they answer phones and make the polls look bad for McCain). Red herring. And it won't help you. Keep trying though. Something's bound to stick. (or not)

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marctx:

Hey carl29 & kiptin, are you both really women or are you just making a sexist insult?

anyway, i'm jazzed that the market spiked 936 points! i hope (please) that it continues cuz i threw a big chunk of change on friday into the stock market!! i was sure friday was the bottom. i hope i was right.

i'm not going to spin the polls its too obvious what is happening.

i plan to vote for McCain as a democrat like Kiptin next week in early voting but my hopes are in the gutter. I think McCain is in Bill Clinton mode and trying to save his popular reputation. He was the most liked republican before this campaign...i think he wants that back like Bill on the trail this weekend.

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wakeup:

I could never understand why Hillary did not trounce Obama in Indiana. Now I know why... ACORN.

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Trosen:

wakeup:

"RNC should take out inner city air time... if you registered through ACORN the FBI is watching you."

What a very nice unabashed and non-discrete attempt to suppress minority voter turnout. Your parents must be very proud. You are a poster child for the GOP. Excellent. Forget TV airtime, how about fire hoses and dogs? That seemed to work well in the 60s.

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MasterFramer:

@ Boomshak

You my friend are delusional if you think ACORN "fraud" is going to be what puts Obama over the top.

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MasterFramer:

I think the biggest surprise for me is Obama in Florida +5.

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boomshak:

Can someone explain to me why Obama refuses to release his birth certificate? he is being sued to present it, but is fighting t tooth and nail.

Why?

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Trosen:

Master, no surprise. Obama is outspending him on TV here about 18-1. He's also making large inroads here with the South FL Hispanic population and most of the old folks down here have stopped buying the "Obama is a Muslim who hates Israel" bullcrap.

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wakeup:

Does ACORN overkill influence RV polling weight?

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Trosen:

boom:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Now you're just embarassing yourself. At least challenge me.. seriously.

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zotz:

Trosen-
"Please tell me what I'm missing in this equation."

I am just guessing but I think the missing factor that you are looking for is MENDACITY.

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johncoz:

@boom

Fail! I'm afraid.

There were 15 state polls out today, and considered together it has been a very strong day for Obama.

Also, you clearly do not understand what margin of error means. Probabilities are continuous, not quantised. The fact that two polling values sit within an MOE for a confidence interval of 95% does not mean they sit within an MOE for a CI of say 80%, since the MOE is the radius of CI.

So the fact that we are less than 95% confident that a result is "real", does not mean we have zero confidence or that the result is a "statistical tie".

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Trosen:

zotz, I was giving her the benefit of the doubt.. It's the liberal in me.. =)

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Trosen:

wakeup:

"Does ACORN overkill influence RV polling weight?"

Haha.. wake..gee.. how come you never return the courtesy and respond to my posts? (I mean..besides the fact that I consistently shoot down your ignorant spewdom)

Let's see.. the answer to your question is.. no. Dead people and fake people don't tell pollsters how they'll vote. Nor do they actually vote. ACORN can't save you. Try again.

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ticketstub:

I have yet to have anyone really show me how even if this ACORN thing could turn the election. It's pretty clear that ACORN is dealing with what happens when you pay people who really need the money to register voters...you get fake registrations to fill quotas.

So...how does that translate to more votes? Do people ACTUALLY think that there are the thousands and thousands of people out there in all the swing states that a: are willing to break federal law to cast a fake vote, b: willing to risk a hefty jail time just o cast the vote and c: are able to keep such a massive secret.

Guys...Occam's razor. Thousand of people affiliated with one group, planting fake registrations and ensuring they get processed, voting over and over with a high chance of being caught and doing it enough to have any sort of actual impact is NOT the simplest explanation.

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Mike In Maryland:

McLameBrain is trying to smear Senator Obama by his tenuous prior association with William Ayres.

Let's take a similar tact with McLameBrain's past associations:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-misch/if-obama-were-like-mccain_b_134341.html

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wakeup:

If you want to poll the RV's in Ohio and there is an massive increase in registered Dem's... does that matter? Please tell me if I am way off base. Because I am thinking registration fraud matters a great deal if we are talking about a poll thay weighs RV's improperly.

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ticketstub:

@wakeup

It only matters it they are real people...but the whole idea behind this big voter fraud scare is that they AREN'T real people. So how could they be polled?

That said, I'd kinda like to see how Mickey Mouse plans to vote...

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Trosen:

ticketstub:

"That said, I'd kinda like to see how Mickey Mouse plans to vote..."

If he's anything like his creator.. probably for McCain. Or maybe Libertarian.

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wakeup:

Voter registration fraud begets voter fraud. If I keep a list of all my bogus names and addresses in various precincts, well, I could spend the day voting early and often. To simply discount registration fraud is dangerous.

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ticketstub:

Also, may I add...this voter fraud scare happens every 4 years. And there's never any proof of it happening or it affecting the election.

The more scary element is some sort of systematic registration fraud or disenfranchisement (like is claimed happened in Ohio 2004.)

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KipTin:

FYI... marktx... carl 29 is a young Latina woman (as she describes herself). I am not a woman although she insists I am because I supported Hillary as well as support other female politicians (except Nancy Pelosi these days... what a disappointment. Instead of a Tom Foley, we got a Tom Delay). Because of carl 29's ongoing pattern of harassment, I feel compelled to return her insults. Menopause is not a topic I myself would choose to use for debate or insults.

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wakeup:

I am confused. I know they cannot be polled. But when you weigh a poll do you go into it with a weight? Do you look at the registration of an area to figure out your weight before polling? Or do you do the poll then weigh it?

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ticketstub:

@wakeup

Im not discounting it, I'm saying it's very unlikely. If you do some research, it's very hard to find that kind of fraud in modern elections in America. Especially national elections. Go take a look, if you can find proof of it happening and being prosecuted, let me know. But there isn't a lot out there.

Also...let's say you, as an individual, spend a lot of time registering fake names. And then you actually show up and vote all day long. How many votes do you really think you could cast? And with each one, you greatly increase your chances of getting busted for a federal offense.

For a whole organization to do it, it would be VERY high risk with a low chance of having any impact at all.

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Trosen:

Kip, glad you're still awake, and thanks for the clarification. I'd love a response to my earlier question. (seriously, not baiting a fight)

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MNLatteLiberal:

boom, let me explain: they are not making speeches for Democratic candidates while wearing their official uniforms. It is kinda subtle, but I have utmost faith in you.

re Kip Tin:
here is my psychological profile of this poster: s/he is a sore loser. His/her candidate lost and now every single little news item that can be spun as negative in any way, gets his/her attention and warrants a post. When Kip Tin posts it is as if to say "see? see what voting for Obama has begotten you? if it were Hillary, we'd be double digits, mid-fifties, blah, blah, blah."
It irritates him/her no end to see Obama doing great, and s/he genuinely wishes for him to stumble and lose out of sheer spite.

And that is all.
Oh, and I like Hillary. I might have even voted for her, had she not gone shrill right around Super Tuesday.

I want to thank faithhopelove for wonderful and insightful analysis of the polling. A lot of great insight and observation coupled with great ongoing analysis.

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KipTin:

Voter registration fraud is illegal. Although Acorn itself has never been charged with voter registration fraud, many of its employees have. As more of these problems are uncovered, it is clear that it is not simply just problem employees, but rather systemic failure of Acorn itself. These are no longer isolated incidents. It is about time that Acorn itself be held legally responsible.

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ticketstub:

@Kiptin

Yes, I agree, if there's a law being broken, it needs to be investigated and prosecuted.

I was arguing that voter registration fraud does not equal voter fraud. It's very difficult to translate a fake registration form into a vote that gets counted.

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Trosen:

wakeup, let me put your mind at ease a little bit. I'm privy to a little inside info into what's going on, on the legal side of any pot-election day controversy. The RNC and McCain campaign are keeping a very close eye on the ACORN #s, in terms of new registrations. If any crucial state is within that margin of possible voter fraud #s, an army of RNC lawyers will swoop down and turn it into "Recount '08" Problem is, it won't be that close. And if it is, as ticketstub pointed out, linking registration fraud to actual voter fraud is next to impossible, mostly because it's extremely unlikely.

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DTM:

The MOE would be more relevant if these were the only polls we have from these states--although as another poster noted, the implications of a poll being within the MOE are often mischaracterized. In any event, these are not the only polls in these states, so the MOE is more or less irrelevant (although the sample size, from which the MOE is derived, is useful for the purpose of weighting polls).

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KipTin:

What is wrong with you MNLatteLiberal? I do not know what I said was so "negative" that got you going, but your psycho babble is irrelevant. (Like I said earlier, the Democratic primary ended over 4 months ago.) But then Obamanation also eats its own when they see others are not "positive" enough.

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wakeup:

In my area a women running for Congress was caught voting twice in two states in 1998. She can not be convicted because of the staute of limitations for voter fraud. I'm thinking if I wanted to organize a group, say if I had the 800K funding of a pres candidate...

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wakeup:

I need this question answered... if you weigh a poll on RV's do you look at the # of RV's before you take the poll to decide on the weight?

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KipTin:

Well... Trosen... You are mistaken that I support supply-side economics. I have stated several times and I will again here tell everyone that my priority is a BALANCED budget and paying down the Federal debt. I am against one-party rule (no matter Democrat or Republican) because that means increased spending. With a Reid/Pelosi Congress and an Obama Presidency, all I can see is the ever-increasing debt clock ticking away.

Bill Clinton was successful in the economic realm because he and the GOP Congress held each other accountable. McCain and the Democratic Congress would work similarly. Pretty simple concept. NO 1-PARTY RULE.

I was comfortable with Hillary because she is a pragmatic centrist and would have continued the Clinton economic legacy. Her economic policy had balancing the budget as priority number ONE.

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MNLatteLiberal:

Kip, there is nothing wrong with me, but thanks for asking. I've pointed out to you several times over the last couple of weeks as to how your self-proclaimed "nit-pik"ing is exclusively one-sided. A true nit-piker would be a bit more balanced.

I pointed out to you the delight with which you seem to pounce on any news that could be spun as negative to Obama.

Of course, you are entitled to all your opinions, and I, for one, look forward to every single one of your posts. It is a gravity check of sorts for me.

Similarly, you can characterize my observations of your posting behavior as psycho babble and judge its relevancy.

Like you say, the Democratic primary ended four months ago, time for you to move on.
Obamanation is a very positive term, come to think of it. Not negative in any way, nor does it have any roots in the right wingnut community. I, however, am not a part of Obamanation. I could've just as likely voted for Hillary, and when I didn't, it wasn't so much Obama winning me over, but rather Hillary losing me with her behavior on the campaign. Behavior, mind you, that is somewhat reminiscent of yours.

Again, feel free to delight in all the bad news for DEMOCRATS, should you find any. But PAH-LEEZ do not expect to be viewed as objective. You are as objective as Fair and Balanced is either.
Have a lovely evening.

H

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marctx:

mn & carl,

i am not defending kiptins positions even though i can because i agree 100%. i am defending personal attacks on posters on this site. dispute his claims and my claims but it is against pollster rules to personally attack posters.

Mark used to respond and ban posters that do that. He told me personally not to feed trolls on your side! I'd post it if he didn't tell me not too.

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Mike In Maryland:

wakeup, boomshat, or whatever you call yourself today:

When the repigs make a big deal about ACORN and 'voter registration fraud', do they realize that:

1. EVERY state requires that anyone who works on voter registration must turn in every form that someone completes? The person who works on voter registration cannot toss out a voter registration form they think is not correct. The only requirement the voter registration worker has is to flag any registrations they think are invalid. The reason they can't throw out any application is to make sure they don't throw out all the applications completed by anyone registering for any party other than the party favored by the person taking the applications.

2. Just because someone completes a registration form (an application), that does not mean the person who does so is actually registered to vote. The forms are turned in to the city, county or state board of elections, where the completed registration forms are reviewed for accuracy, checked for completeness, whether residency requirements are met, etc., and the board of elections is required to check for duplicate registration in other jurisdictions, if the person is not listed as a felon (in those states this is a factor), or otherwise not eligible to vote. If the application does not meet all the checks, then the person is NOT registered to vote.

If the board of elections has questions about an application, but still enters the information into the voter registration data base, then the person is registered. If anyone is properly registered, then the board of elections must defend the entry.

Makes you wonder how the Cincinnati board of elections will handle an application if it is submitted by 'Ocho Cinco', but the voter only has identification for 'Chad Johnson', or vice versa? Vote fraud? An idiot who is attempting to vote illegally? Board of elections screw-up?

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illinoisindie:

Fraudulent voter registration can turn into voter fraud..."Vote early, vote often". However with the current safeguards in place, those occurrences should be minimized anyway. Unless the election is close in that say Obama wins with 273 EC, there will be no recount or questioning of the integrity of the voting process. So lets hope for an Obama blowout, or this country will be even more divided than it already is

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MNLatteLiberal:

marctx, it is very noble of you, of course, to come to kiptin's rescue. if i were you, however, i'd consider the fact that while you point your prostrate digit of indignation at others, the other four are pointed squarely at you.

i stand by my critique of kiptin, it is factual and can be substantiated. it is not a personal attack at the poster, but rather an analysis of his/her posts in light of the chosen moniker.

you, however, have engaged in some pretty outrageous name calling and accusations. but that's all besides the point. i wish you well on your quixotic quest. just make sure that one of the windmills doesn't topple you off your mighty horse.

have a lovely day

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KipTin:

I am sure I would correct McCain supporters when they are wrong with the facts if given a chance, but you Obamanation guys jump on them so quickly (rather they be right or wrong).

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MNLatteLiberal:

Kip, I am sure.

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oicu:

@illinoisindie:

You miss the point. A blowout would just mean a bigger conspiracy in the minds of those who are inclined to believe in such things. Neither absence of evidence nor inherent improbability of the conspiracy make the slightest difference to the paranoid.

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wakeup:

My Dad used to tell me; "it's not the vote... it's the vote counter."

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Bigmike:

Hey, I am supposed to be the cranky old fart here. You kids quit that **** and play nice.

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illinoisindie:

@oicu

agreed, however, its hard to argue an across the board faulty election, however if, it comes down to a state like indiana (or heavily AA/minority populated previously red state) that puts BO over the top...we will be in for a wild ride come nov 4th. hey I have the 5th off... Ill be up :}

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marctx:

mn:

i'll give you that cuz i attacked you because of the stewart joke. we would probably be friends if we knew each other. i support most of obamas positions and i have a lot of canadian hockey buddies. i worked for a hockey team for 4 years.

i just have to much financial investment in Hillary and now McCain to change now.

You can tell my rhetoric has changed. Everyone chill and see how this goes.

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zotz:

KipTin-
If what you said about admiring Clinton's economic positions was sincere why wont you acknowledge that Obama has surrounded himself with Clinton's economic advisors? Why wont you admit that McCain's economic policies are anathema to both Bill and Hillary's positions?

If what you said made any sense it would be easier to believe you.

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marctx:

zotz:

"KipTin-
If what you said about admiring Clinton's economic positions"

I'll admit it. I'm softening to Obama. He has some great positions. I pray he will follow through on that.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@marctx

Why can't we have more discourse like this. Every once in a while I pop in here just in time to see someone being nice to someone else. Now that I've reached my quota for the day I'm heading over to RedState so I don't get all soft.

Thanks.

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Bigmike:

Much better, thanks to all.

marctx

Warming to Obama? With Dem control of congress, what I wan't from a Pres is a foot on the brakes.

Clinton cut the deficit all right. When the Dems ran congress, it was done by raising taxes, even on the middle class. When the Reps took the house in 94, it was done by controlling spending, most notably welfare reform.

If I believed Obama, I would expect a tax cut. I think I fall in the lowest 95%.

But no lib has ever done that. On his own, it sounds like a campaign promise that will get pushed aside right after he gets sworn in.

With Dems running congress, I am willing to bet my federal income taxes are going up. And my capital gains taxes, if I ever have any of those. And the estate taxes. And all of the other little taxes they can find.

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zotz:

marctx-
Obama's tendency is to be cautious and pragmatic. He weighs different opinions before making a decision. He is not a radical or a socialist.

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slinky:

Frontline airs tomorrow night. We get to see how valiant McC really is, all the things that made him a Maverick, and why he's not now. We also get to see Freshman Senator Obama, among other things. Should be very interesting...

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slinky:

Although I don't like Obama's economic plan to allow people to withdraw up to 15% of 401K money without penalty for the next 18 months, I don't like (even more) McC's plan to give tax breaks to people who don't need them in order to compensate for some perceived loss during this period.

Face it, Repubs. cater to rich folks. That is not my idea of the American way. It's the Republican American way, for sure. But, the American way involves level playing fields and justice for all. McC believes in justice for the rich. Nothing bad about being poor in McC's view; just that the rich are a bit more equal than others...

It kinda makes me sick...

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marctx:

Screw all the rhetoric. Its time to come home. Obama may be lying but we have to hope he is telling the truth and come home.

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boomshak:

MCCAIN ADS:

Note to John McCain. I DO NOT understand what the hell your campaign is doing.

You MUST win NC. You MUST win VA. You are running ZERO ads here in NC. None. Zip. Nada. You are running ZERO ads in Northern Virginia.

But you ARE campaigning in Iowa and Wisconsin, neither place you have any chance of winning.

So pardon my French, but WHAT THE FLYING F*CK ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR MONEY?

Worst Campaign Ever - and yet Obama only leads by 4.

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carl29:

Here you are, boomy:

"ZOGBY TUESDAY: OBAMA 49%, MCCAIN 43%... DEVELOPING..."

WOW...Obama is losing ground by the second :-)

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boomshak:

@slinky:

Stop bitching and make some money.

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wakeup:

DOW Futures up 174... a bull market helps McCain.

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boomshak:

@wakeup:

DOW Futures up 174... a bull market helps McCain.

It's too bad McCain refuses to help McCain. Worst campaign ever.

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sotonightthatimightsee:

"Those are all good numbers for Obama. "


ARE YOU NUTS? Obambo was up by large margins in all of these states, now he's virtually tied with McCain again.

Let me say this in a way that maybe you college kids can understand:

IF OBAMA IS UP ONLY 3-4 POINTS ON ANY GIVEN STATE THAT IT'S AT PLAY..HE LOSES, PERIOD!

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carl29:

sotonightthatimightsee,

So you don't have anything to worry about, my friend :-)!!!! The Bradley Effect is McCain's "wild card," we all know. I don't see why any McCain support should be remotely worry about those "crazy,odd,liberal,flawed,biased,bradleyed polls."

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MileHigh:

@ European bystander-
LOOK EVERYBODY
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Check this site out. A week ago, Rear Admiral Poopstain had a 9% chance of winning. Earlier today he had a 6% chance. It's now at 5.1%. This should have you sleeping like a baby.

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gymble:

@Kiptin

a) While it's true that the bad economy has certainly helped Obama in the polls, it's not clear that the converse will help McCain. Largely this depends on your interpretation of why a bad economy has correlated with Obama's surge. If it's merely a Democrat good for the economy, Republican bad thing, then maybe it would swing back. But I believe that it's more complicated than that - his surge relies in part on that, but also Obama's calm in the face of crisis (and McCain's flailing), Palin's inadequacy as a candidate, and Obama's reassuring debate performances. A recovering economy may provide a small boost to McCain, but almost certainly not enough of one to reverse the lead.

b) It's WAY too soon to be calling the economic crisis over. For all of our sakes, I hope so, but one day of encouraging stock market news and some coordinated worldwide efforts does not a trend make. Maybe the crisis is over, maybe not, but either way it's going to take more than one day to determine. With all of the recent uncertainty, the economy is going to remain a major issue in the minds of most Americans, right up to the election.

c) These Rasmussen polls are, simply, just not good news for McCain. Maybe in a vacuum, you could say that the MOE means that several are statistically tied. But FL, OH, and VA have been polling ahead for Obama for a while and MO and NC are headed that way. Many polls, from many different organizations show this. The error bars for each one are +/- 3-4%, but taken all together, they're much smaller. Without doing an actual statistical analysis, I'd estimate more of a 1% error on the average.

d) Obama and Clinton are fairly similar policy-wise. If you supported Hillary in the primaries (as I did, I'll note), there aren't a whole lot of reasons to not support Obama now. At least from an issues point-of-view.

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common sense:

@ so tonight : I'll bet I'm older than you are. How does it feel that your last best hope is racism ? Give me one intelligent reason to vote for McCain.

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burrito:

@marctx

"Screw all the rhetoric. Its time to come home. Obama may be lying but we have to hope he is telling the truth and come home."

Am I hearing you correctly? I have been in this site for a while, and I remember you opposing Obama ... you mean that you are coming home (to Obama's side)? If so, is this the phenomena that we are seeing in all these polls? people finally coming home?

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bmrKY:

"wakeup:
RNC should take out inner city air time... if you registered through ACORN the FBI is watching you."

Inner-city? As in the place where "those who don't look like us" live? I just love thinly veiled racism.

go_to_sleep BOOM, you just prove yourselve to be a bigger ass clown with each and every post you make. Your parents must be so proud.

OMG! HUSSEIN WON'T SHOW BERFFF CERTIFICATE! HE MUST BE TERRORIST! HE MUST BE COVERING SOMETHING UP! LIEK WIFF DAT DARE ACORNZ AND AYERS! WHOMSANE FUNDED PLO! OH LORD, WHOOSANE IS MUSLUMB AND WANTS TO TEACH OUR CHILLRUN TO SPEAK MUSLIMISH! DEAR GOD, HE HAD AN AFRO IN THE 70'S! THAT MUST MEAN HOOSANG WANTS TO SLEEP WITH "OUR" WHITE WOMEN! KIPTIN WATCH OUT... HUSSEIN WANTS TO INVADE YOUR WHITE WOMANHOOD! MAYBE EVEN HAVE A THREE WAY WITH REV WRIGHT! THAT THERE HUSSEIN MUST BE STOPPED! WHAT NERVE OF HIM TO RUN AGAINST A WAR HERO THAT CRASHED 5 PLANES, FINISHED AT THE BOTTOM OF HIS CLASS AND LIVED TO TELL ABOUT IT! I'D LIKE TO SEE WHOOOOOOOSAIN CRASH 5 PLANES AND FINISH AT THE BOTTOM OF HIS CLASS! BUT NOOOOO... HOOSANE WAS TOO GOOD FOR THAT! HE HAD TO BE ONE OF THEM DAMN MILITANT BLACKS AND FINISH NEAR THE TOP OF HIS CLASS AND EDIT THAT DAMN HARVARD LAW REVIEW! ELITIST! I LIEK MY LEADERS TO HAVE NO EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND OR AT LEAST AS MUCH AS I DO, JUST LIKE SAHARA PALINE! I DON'T TRUST ANYONE SMARTER THAN ME! THEIR ALWAYS TRICKIN' ME WITH THEIR FACTS! SPEAKIN OF PALINE... DAMN SHEEZ SO F'N HAWT WIFF HER TINA FEY GLASSES! VPILF 4 LIFE! HUSSEIN, YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE LAST OF ME! YOU INTELLECTUAL ELITISTS WILL PAY FOR THIS! GIT R DUN!

PALINE/DUKES 2012!
SECRETARY OF DEFENSE JOHN MCCAIN
SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY G. DUBYA BUSH
SECRETARY OF STATE MEL MARTINEZ
SECRETARY OF THE TREASURY SEAN HANITY
SECRETARY OF HOUSING AND URBAN AFFAIRS TRENT LOTT
ATTORNEY GENERAL RUSH LIMBAUGH

SUPREME COURT NOMINEES: PAT ROBERTSON, JOHN HAGEE, TED HAGGARD

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common sense:

As usual : The GOP rests.

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Noel:

I live in North Carolina, and remember back in the primary our local news station kept saying Hillary had a 8% lead, and statewide polls had it as tied. Obama ended up winning North Carolina by 15% a landslide. Obama's campaign are like a fine tuned machine they know how to GOTV like nobody's business.

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Noel:

Election Day Registration

Election Day Registration, also known as "same-day voter registration," permits eligible citizens to register and vote on Election Day. Election Day Registration significantly increases the opportunity for all citizens to cast a vote and participate in democracy.

United States

Nine states have some form of Election Day Registration: Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Day_Registration

The Motherlode of All Voter Registration Information That You Need

It is bookmark time and forwarding the LINK time. All 50 States of the Union, Voter Registration Information Here.

http://thisweekwithbarackobama.blogspot.com/2008/09/all-information-you-need-to-register-to.html

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Noel:

Election Day Registration

Election Day Registration, also known as "same-day voter registration," permits eligible citizens to register and vote on Election Day. Election Day Registration significantly increases the opportunity for all citizens to cast a vote and participate in democracy.

United States

Nine states have some form of Election Day Registration: Idaho, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Wisconsin and Wyoming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_Day_Registration

The Motherlode of All Voter Registration Information That You Need

It is bookmark time and forwarding the LINK time. All 50 States of the Union, Voter Registration Information Here.

http://thisweekwithbarackobama.blogspot.com/2008/09/all-information-you-need-to-register-to.html

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falcon79:

in defense of kiptin:
hey guys pls lets not throw ageist or sexist comments against her, regardless of what her views may be... racism, ageism, sexism, and all those other isms detract from an educated and civil dialogue.

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JFactor:

Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia are going to be all really close. Like we've all noticed the tracking polls have pretty much solidified so there's really not much room for Obama to go. Obama landslide (meaning that he'd win almost all the swing states) would mean that the economy would take a sudden step back or some other disaster for McCain campaign. If you want to make this race exciting go to Intrade and buy McCain stocks for N. Carolina or Missouri. You could cash in a nice sum of money.

Faithhopelove, I have an idea for you. If you can please e-mail me at "j_factor@xxxymail.com (remove those x's) or show interest in some other way :)
________________________________________
http://www.internationalpoliticstoday.com

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Incumbent:

KipTin:
I am against one-party rule (no matter Democrat or Republican) because that means increased spending. NO 1-PARTY RULE.
------------------------------------------

You know Kip, I actually agree with you on this more or less (never thought I'd say that), and might even have considered voting for McCain because of that...except for one thing: McCain is 72 years old and CHOSE SARAH PALIN AS HIS VP. I am not won over by her feisty, one-of-us facade. This person is nowhere near the calibre of person that the strongest nation on earth needs as its leader, and I will not risk putting her in that position.

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