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11/23/08; 523 likely voters, margin of error 4.5%
Sen: Chambliss (R-i) 50, Martin (D) 47
What's the count on Democratic Senators now?
Did keeping Lieberman hold the count at 47?
So Begich made 48?
And a Chambliss win would be 49.
Finally, if Franken pulls out the win with the recount, the Democrats would be sitting on 60!
Although an extremely unlikely scenario, it would be worth tolerating Lieberman if we picked up MN & GA for a filibuster-proof Senate.
Posted on November 25, 2008 11:12 AM
Make that "57, 58, & 59"
Posted on November 25, 2008 11:13 AM
@Mark in LA
First of all, 60 really isn't that important since the Dems won't exactly be marching in lockstep on most issues, and there are actually a number of Republican senators who are more likely to vote a liberal agenda (I'm thinking specifically of the lovely ladies from Maine, but there are certainly others) than some of the (new) Democrats.
Second of all, even if all 60 did work together and were "filibuster-proof," it's not really that important. More often than not, politicians use filibusters just to stall for short periods of time while they whip another one or two votes. Most filibusters are not like Strom Thurmond's epic 24 hour ramble to defeat civil rights (the man actually sat in a steam room to dehydrate himself so that he could drink without needing to urinate. Aides supposedly had a pail just in case). In fact, generally, politicians hate filibusters because it keeps them from their families and their lives while they wait for some jerk to take too long a pause or move too much.
Finally, yes, I agree that Lieberman is a feminine hygiene product that may or not come in a bag (see how good I am at "intelligent and civil" comments) and I hate that we need to keep him in the caucus, keep him in charge of important committees, and empower him to waste 15 minutes of Meet the Press refusing to apologize for being such a steaming pile of...jurisprudence. However, he's really not the most offensive guy in the caucus in terms of his voting record (liberal in most areas other than national security). Frankly, a guy who so reliably votes party lines no matter how much he disagrees with them is much more valuable to the Dems than some of these new folks who are about as liberal as John McCain in 2003. Let's also not forget the thrashing I'm sure the caucus threatened Joe with if he steps out of line again before 2012. Trust me, he's much more useful to us inside the tent with a mouth full of...crow...than he is outside with an ax to grind against Barack and the majority.
That said, I really hope he gets hit by some truly graphic ironic suffering (I'm picturing either his being run over by an out of control Straight Talk Express or shot by confused Blackwater mercs) and is forced to cede his seat to Ned Lamont.
Posted on November 25, 2008 2:11 PM
You are forgetting about Bernie Sanders. He's an Independent...but almost always would vote with the Democrats. The Democrats would be at 59 +either Sanders or Lieberman. Then again they could also pick up any number of Republicans who don't want to appear to be obstructionists on critical legislation. It's not just Lieberman, but Arlen Specter, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Voinovich, Murkowski, and a bunch of others facing tough re-election campaigns in 2010. If they screw up and make the economic situation worse by their delays don't expect much mercy from the voters.
Before the Republicans could always hide a few votes...allow people to abstain, vote Aye, or be absent...and still have their critical "40" to prevent cloture. Now the have to have everyone there, and voting "Nay". Every one of those Senators is accountable.
Posted on November 26, 2008 9:13 PM
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