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IAdvantage: CO, GA, VA (9/17)

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InsiderAdvantage
9/17/08; ~ 500 LV
Mode: IVR

Colorado
Obama 51, McCain 41

Georgia
McCain 51, Obama 43

Virginia
McCain 48, Obama 46

 

Comments
Tyler:

While I'd like to say the CO numbers are good for Obama, this isn't much better than the InsiderAdvantage CO poll from last week which also showed an unsually good number for Obama compared to other organizations.

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mccainandpalinareliars:

Game over for gramps.


The people have seen through the farce that is Palin and they have judged her to be wholly and utterly unqualified. That is all.


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mccainandpalinareliars:

You can take CO off the board for gramps.

Looks like VA is next.


Yikes, today mccain said that spain was in latin america. Who is dumber, mccain or palin? Good God. No wonder mccain finished 894 out of 899 students in his class.

And then you have the helicopter hunter - Palin. Or as she is more commonly know, Palyin'.

This genius took 6 years to get a 4 year degree - bouncing around all over the place and finally getting a degree from the university of Idaho. Yes, Idaho, which is slightly below your local juco. God help us all if these two dimwits get into the white house. They make bush look like a member of mensa.

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nattyish:

To Tyler, re: "this isn't much better than the InsiderAdvantage CO poll from last week"

Are you kidding? Last week's IA Colorado poll had McCain 46, Obama 49. This week we have McCain -5, Obama +2. That's not just a fairly big difference, it's a statistically significant one on the McCain number, and it puts Obama's average at around 50.

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LPYNY:

The internals on these polls seem very strange -- 19% and 26% of African-American voters in VA and CO, respectively,supporting McCain? Don't think so.

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mccainandpalinareliars:

oops, look like it is game over for Mccain and the helicopter hunter.

TOASTED!!


Looks like Americans are finally seeing the farce that is Palin. Rats, I was hoping the markets went down even more for Obama on intrade so I could make some more money. Oh well.

Hey, all you retardlican trolls - mind going to intrade and betting on your most amazing ticket? Please? Daddy needs a brand new car.

C'mon, just put a little bit of money on your guy - you guys sure spew a lot of BS on these boards - why not back it up? Or do YOU not even believe half the garbage you write on here????


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Paul:

RE: McCain confuses Spain with Latin America

Todays quote (verbatim) from the LA Times follows:

The Spanish press -- in Spain, on the Iberian Peninsula, east of Portugal and south of France -- is having a field day over a Cadena SER radio interview in which the senator seems to confuse Spain's prime minister with a strongman in Latin America.

In the beginning of the interview, McCain discusses how he would not sit down with presidents Hugo Chavez of Venezuela or Evo Morales of Bolivia and certainly not with Raul Castro. Standard fare. The interviewer then says, "Let's shift to Spain, would you invite President [Jose Luis Rodriguez] Zapatero to meet with you in the White House?" This is a big deal for Spaniards; Zapatero never received such an invitation from President George Bush. At first McCcain gives a vague answer about how he'll work with anyone who cooperates withe U.S. but is determined to stand firm against our enemies. When pressed again, he makes no promises but notes "the importance of "our relationship with Latin America."

Perplexed, the interview blurts out "But I'm talking about Europe. About Spain!" Even then, McCain indeed does stand firm. He never giving a clue that he acutally knows who Zapatero is. He speaks in English and a Spanish translater is speaking over him so I'll translate back to English: He'll be friends with our friends and stand firm against those who oppose us."

End of quote.
Enough said ... speaks for itself.

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Jacob S:

Wow, let's wait and see what happens in other CO polls, but if Obama starts to solidify a lead in CO, this race is over.

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kerrchdavis:

If I wanted to get a text book that teaches the difference between a shia and sunni muslim AND clearly shows that Mexico and Spain are two different countries, where would I go?

Or would I just be better off senile?

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boomshak:

Geesh,

What is with all of these state polls by obscure pollsters no one ever heard of using tiny samples with bizarre demographics, Huge MOE's and insane results.

Fail.

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joecooper:

Thank you, boomshak. "Fail." Right again.

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kerrchdavis:

bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran

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kerrchdavis:

So if I can see Russia on google maps, does that make me at least comparable to Palin in foreign policy experience?

Or do I need to read a book about "Energy" too?

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Evolve:

@boomshak:

That's something we can agree on. Good or bad I want to see well sampled polls, and timely too. They can quit posting polls that are 3 days old.

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Indiana4Obama:

The Colorado number seems inflated. There's so many polls right now, some of them a bit more sketchy than others it seems. It's hard to tell, and it appears this site isn't using any discretion in publishing what's out there. I guess that's the best approach.

The Big 10 polls released earlier also seem a bit odd w/ tiny samples.

Colorado and Virginia both are very, very close...and it would be hard to identify a favorite at this point. I read that the Obama camp feels VERY confident about both states due to their ground game/organization.

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change:

Pensylvania pensylvania pensylvania ... obama must win this state or none of this matters!

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Evolve:

@Indiana4Obama:

the bigten polls were conducted from the 14-17, during that same time the gallop went from McCann 47-45 to Obama 47-45, today its 48-44. State polls usually lag behind national polls and with these dates these polls seems to look fair for the time period. The Iowa one looks to be the only outlier of the group for the time period.

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Robi:

I can't imagine a Kerry state not going for Obama. It goes against logic. But who knows.

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metsmets:

COLORADO WOW!
29% of AA in Colorado would vote for McCain? Did they ask every AA in the military (Air Force Academy) that lives in Colorado? I haven't seen a national poll where McCain gets into double digits with AA. How can Colorado have almost three times as many AA for McCain.

What are the chances of this? A billion to one?

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Evolve:

@change:

Pensylvania is important but it's just not as close as ppl would like us to think. According to Realclearpolitics McCann hasn't lead in a single poll since 4/24 and that was Ras. Obama will be back to a 5-6 pt. lead by monday with the issue's turned back to the ecomony.

If the tone stays on the ecomony this state is a very easy win.

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marctx:

I don't have anything sarcastic to say. Good news for Obama in CO.

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Save US:

McCain is losing it... His head... he seems rattled... Fundamentals are sound... then not... Spain and Latin america... His camp is panicking...

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joydivision8:

COMMENTS FROM A NO-SPIN INDEPENDENT:

I was impressed with Palin on the Hannity interview. Sure it was all softballs from a friendly questioner, but she is likeable and no dummy.

I think the upcoming debates WILL play a big factor in this election since it is SO close. From what I've seen, I might give a slight edge to the Repubs...Palin is sharp and likeable and may be a better debator than Biden. I like Joe's candor but he has a horrible habit of sticking his foot in his mouth. Obama seems more at ease with scripted speeches and did not fare well in the debates with Hillary. McCain is a decent debater as long as he can appear energetic and not simply "old". I can't wait...

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marctx:

I hope Stuttering Obama does another Saddleback performance in the debates.

Now that Obama passed the patriotic test by redefining patriotism as raising taxes, I'm sure Americans will jump on board.

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change:

@evolve

i understand that, and also dems have registered an additional 350 000 voters while republican voter registration has declined. but the PA polls should show an obama lead, if he doesnt carry PA -all his work for CO and VA will mean nothing. by the way i am a huge obama supporter, but i want to be objective

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joecooper:

Hah! Go get 'em, marctx! Did you hear that, you dumb libs? Obama stutters! HA!

Marctx hit the nail on the head: everyone knows patriots don't raise taxes! That's right!

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Evolve:

Going on the O Factor and the Saddleback forum was 2 of the bravest/craziest things I've seen. Going into hostile environments like that. He performed solid enough against those stacked decks. I wouldn't expect him to take anymore risk like those with 5 weeks left.

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Evolve:

Reagan raised taxes, and Bush Sr raised taxes.... ??

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change:

you wanna call mccain patriotic; he put a beauty pagent winner a heart beat away from the presidency. Here is a ditz with 0 policy experience (chuck hagel (r) ) only handled an economy serving 5000 people. Mccain's vp pick was purely political! he doesn't give a shyt about how the country will be governed if he dies, he just wants to win the election!= now that is UN patriotic!

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marctx:

joecooper: you have to be a paid Obama supporter because your mocking is pissing me off.

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BarackO'Clinton:

McCain can have OH and VA as long as Obama takes CO.

Even without NH, Obama will get to 269 with a win in CO and you know what that means -- a tie -- where Nancy Pelosi and the Democrats in Congress will decide the election, just like the Republicans on the Supreme Court decided 2000.

Mark Foley must be slapping himself in the face
(hopefully that's all he's slapping!)

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joydivision8:

I honestly don't see how Obama can win the election...I just can't see people actually pulling the lever on election day for someone that inexperienced, but I don't know...

Is voting for Obama a wasted vote? Does he even have a chance? I am trying to decide what to do.

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NW Patrick:

Yah joydivision8. You should instead "pull the lever" for the party that brought you the largest deficit in the history of any country in the entire world. Good choice. Have you not paid attention for the past, oh YEAR? McCain thinks Spain is in latin America. He is so out of touch, a BUSH CLONE. Pull that lever. YOU CAN DO IT. People did it for Clinton, for Kennedy... YOU CAN DO IT!

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NW Patrick:

I honestly don't see how McCain can win the election...I just can't see people actually pulling the lever on election day for someone that senile and old who chose a bimbo one missed heartbeat away from the presidency, but I don't know...

Is voting for McCain a wasted vote? Does he even have a chance? I am trying to decide what to do.

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joydivision8:

Yeah, but McCain is always working with Democrats in congress to pass bills even if other Repubs get mad...I don't ever see Obama doing that, working with the other party... I just don't know if that kind of style will work, it sure hasn't worked for Bush.

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tjampel:

Why do reporters ask McCain such unfair questions with tricky names like Zapatero? Sounds like Zapata and Zapatista I guess; ahh...those tricky journalists.

But all's cool because the our real McCain, a true leader with knowledge about the world, great intelligence, and judgment, was quick to affirm that McCain won't meet with our enemies who don't cherish freedom and democracy "in THIS HEMISPHERE... that is, in "Latin America", and launched into a spirited defense of President Calderon of Mexico, even though the reporter mentioned twice that she was referring to President Zapatero of "Spain" (for those geographically challenged, happens to be in a Continent called...Europe...

Even after this flustered reporter repeated that she was talking about Spain...Europe...McCain repeated the same thing about meeting only with those democracy-loving friends of the USA.

His campaign, caught once again between the proverbial rock and hard place, went into damage control mode and announced that, yes, this IS a deliberate snub towards Spain and its president (apparently they hate freedom and democracy, according to McCain, don't don't merit a visit. Earlier this year the same McCain had talked about wanting to have President Zapatero over for a little chat at the White House. Guess he forgot about that.

Well, it's slowing trickling into the MSM; doubt it has legs, but do you wonder why Europeans are apoplectic at the thought of a McCain presidency? Good luck on his next visit to Spain

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BOOMISANIDIOT:

OMFG

Colorado, Colorado, Colorado

If Obama takes this state its game over


Oh the rethug tears are so tasteful and yummy

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sotonightthatimightsee:

"mccainandpalinareliars:

Game over for gramps.


The people have seen through the farce that is Palin and they have judged her to be wholly and utterly unqualified. That is all."


HAHAHAHAHA, I don't know whether to laugh or feel sorry for you for your "obvious and pathetic attempt" to minimize the fact that Obambi is about to lose PA, WI and MN...3 major blue states for Christ's sakes!! I bet you were one of those goons whining about McCain's ads and how unfair they were, blah, blah, blah. Guess ya should have picked Hillary instead of that good-for-nothing, JFK wannabe phony!

Democrat for McCain/Palin '08

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BarackO'Clinton:

sotonightthatimightsee:

Trying not to LOL here but show me one poll - one single poll (and there are plenty!) where McCain has been leading in PA, WI or MN.

And I dare you to walk into the trap and mention the Zogby online poll - I dare you! Are you going to pick that one? Because that's all you have!!!

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tjampel:

@joydivision8:

"Yeah, but McCain is always working with Democrats in congress to pass bills even if other Repubs get mad...I don't ever see Obama doing that, working with the other party... I just don't know if that kind of style will work, it sure hasn't worked for Bush."

hmmm...lying for McCain points, or are you just low info?

Obama has reached out to Repubs for most of his major legislation,including Global warming with McCain, transparency in gov't with staunch conservative Coburn, (and another one is in the works) and, of course his Nuclear Proliferation bill with Lugar;

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Scott W:

Honestly, JOY! Are you 89 years old or do oyu have early dementia too? ANYBODY who has watched the news - even if it was only the last two days would see how senile, and incompetent the McCain-Palin ticket (respectively) is.....Oh sorry - sarah said today it is the PALIN-MCCAIN ticket. Sarah is already poisoning his creamed carrots.

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joydivision8:

From what I have seen, an Obama administration would be closer to the Bush administration than McCain would be...Shutting out the other party, embracing the partisan gridlock. I mean, I like Obama just fine, but he is lockstep with his party...PARTISANSHIP. Why do you think so many repubs don't like McCain? Because he has shaken things up repeatedly if it was the right thing to do.

I just worry that it's going to be politics as usual with Obama, just with a different party. I mean, he talks about McCain voting 90% of the time with Bush...BUT, Obama voted 97% of the time with his party majority in the senate, while McCain only did so 80% of the time.

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CAlefty:

"McCain won't meet with our enemies who don't cherish freedom and democracy "in THIS HEMISPHERE... that is, in "Latin America"

As foreign policy experts like John McCain know, the Greenwich Meridian runs through Spain. Madrid is actually in the WESTERN HEMISPHERE. If the capital of Spain was Barcelona, he wouldn't have said that.

Darn liberals, get off my lawn.

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tjampel:

From INTRADE today

John McCain to win 2008 US Presidential Election
Last Price: 47.5 2.0

You can buy
this at 47.8

You can sell
this at 47.5

Barack Obama to win 2008 US Presidential Election
Last Price: 51.6 1.9

You can buy
this at 51.6

You can sell
this at 51.4

I guess Intrade is just full of liberal prius driving latte drinking birkenstock wearing Obamaniacs; look at the movement here; O +1.9
M -2

Nate's model just flipped (at fivethirtyeight.com); Here's Nate, who's been very bullish on McCain's chances until today:

"Our model now forecasts him to win the election 61.2 percent of the time; it also gives him a slight, half-point advantage in the popular vote. Yesterday, Obama was projected to win the Electoral College just 45 percent of the time, so this is a rather dramatic move upward."

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tjampel:

@joydivision8:

"From what I have seen, an Obama administration would be closer to the Bush administration than McCain would be...Shutting out the other party, embracing the partisan gridlock. I mean, I like Obama just fine, but he is lockstep with his party...PARTISANSHIP. Why do you think so many repubs don't like McCain? Because he has shaken things up repeatedly if it was the right thing to do."

His "lockstep" on bread and butter issues amounts to things like:

wanting to repeal the nastier bits of the Bush tax cuts for the rich and give-aways to big corporations. You are either for or against this. Clinton did it with nary a vote to spare, but he did it, and the country got out of debt for the first time in 30 years.

wanting to get serious about Global Warming, which I think can be pushed through now, that we're about 10 years from the point of no return on ice caps, etc.

wanting to fund new technologies to get off our dependence on foreign oil and to make the transition to clean renewable energy. We have to do this or we'll be back in the iron age or else living on top of nuclear waste dumps. We have to spend some money for this and make it very attractive for others to do so, and the new construction and manufacturing associated with it will help move workers in dying industries back into good jobs. I think this too can be sold; maybe the funding will be a little less than he wants but certainly more than McCain would push for. If ultraconservative Kerry-killer T Boone Pickens agrees that we can't drill our way out of this energy mess, and need to devote resources to wind (and natural gas, short term) why can't repubs be persuaded on this issue?

wanting to avoid becoming a country with a mercenary force of scientists because we can't grow them anymore. My brother is a college prof in the sciences. The lack of qualified USA-bred scholars used to be a joke and now it's a real crisis; he has to recruit from China, India, Russia, anywhere but here. That can't be allowed to continue; period. I think again the proof of this is clear and the will is there to get us back on our feet. We've lost a lot of ground this last 8 years but it's not too late (unless McCain's elected, perhaps).

Immediate Banking and Investment industry legislation rescinding ALL of "nation of whiners" Phil Grahm's 267 page deregulation amendment, quietly slipped into a bill with 80 minutes left on the clock (for that session of Congress). Grahm is a national disgrace; his legislation had direct impact on the current crisis, and I think every dem and repub who wants to get reelected will back this, once a host of economists have testified as to the danger of complete deregulation (which McCain has always said he supported in principle (before the last few days).

Fact is that Obama has successfully worked with conservative repubs and you saying he hasn't doesn't somehow negate the Congressional Record. There are republicans still willing to play ball with dems on certain issues they actually care about. It will be a tough job to move forward. Having about 57 senators out of 60 will make it much easier

Elizabeth Drew, McCain's former BFF who wrote the cushy book about his failed 2000 run, just turned on him today, and is now wondering if his reasons for embracing reform at particular times in his career weren't intended for personal advancement rather than principled actions. You really should take a look at what she has to say. Joe Klein too is fed up with Mcain.

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joydivision8:

"Fact is that Obama has successfully worked with conservative repubs and you saying he hasn't doesn't somehow negate the Congressional Record."

Actually, I was simply going by the Pollster.com article that in fact showed that Obama voted with his party majority 97% of the time, compared with 80% by McCain. I just think it's funny how some people try to debunk the McCain maverick thing, saying he is just like Bush. I really can think of no other senator with a more consistent record of going against his own party when necessary, and cutting the partisan BS than John McCain. It's not an opinion, the proof is in his record.

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John:

I wouldn't really worry about the CO poll having 26% of African-americans voting for McCain, the sample size for this demographic will be tiny, (I am guessing 19). That said, IA consistently underestimated Obama's support (and over estimated his opponents support) among African-american voters during the primaries and that trend seems to be continuing in the general. (See their national poll compared to others not to mention MI, NC, FL, VA, OH etc)

IA also seem to have completely oversampled democrats in this CO poll, while Obama should be ahead, (since Obama has a larger margin with democrats than McCain has with republicans according to the cross-tabs), it should be nowhere near +10.

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boomshak:

Only the most partisan of Obama supporters would take this poll seriously for more that 1/10th of a second.

As all of the other states tighten in all of the polls, these nimrods have CO exploding for Obama?

Nope, outlier extreme.

Fail.

Next.

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thoughtful:

Good Morning
Re: Troopergate

I am very disturbed to learn that there is an ongoing attempt to withhold evidence, and to delay the Alaskan legislature's investigation into "troopergate". If it is a partisan investigation that will show in the report,but if as from the evidence already in the public domain there was an abuse of power, then

Are we going to have Impeachment proceedings on a Vice President in the unlikely event that Palin is elected vice President.

It would appear that not only is Palin a serial Liar but in office she was an abuser of office and power.

I wonder just who did clean one of her e-mail accounts of incriminating before releasing on to the net?

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BTF:

This Colorado poll is almost as ridiculous as the poll that shows a 45-45 tie in Iowa.
Both polls are severe outliers.
I'd say Obama has a slight 2 point lead or so in CO right now.

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Connor:

@joecooper

Remember: marctx got a mailing-list letter from the DNC, so HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

THE LETTER WAS FROM BILL CLINTON.

THEY'RE PRACTICALLY BFF.

marctx's candidates: Gore to Kerry to Clinton to McCain...

I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED THERE?

ANY GUESSES?

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tjampel:

@joydivision8:

This was true for McCain until a few years ago. I was kind of excited about his run in 2000 because of his. But his behavior over the past few years shows that he's willing to sell out each and every one of his maverick beliefs for an even stronger one...the belief in his own ability to achieve advancement...his ambition, that is.

And when Elizabeth Drew and others start to question some of his earlier Maverick positions as being done for expedient reasons rather than principled ones it actually makes me feel let down about my own excitement regarding his 2000 candidacy. I mean she waxed rhapsodic about him for years.

Most of Bush's proposals and actions as Pres suck (IMHO of course); McCain was down near 70% in the early 2000s and went to 90s last yr. This year I think he's 100% but unfair to count since he's been available for only a couple of votes I think.

Is Obama a maverick....nope...he's more of a mainstream Dem with good oratorical skills. To me maintream Dem trumps conservative ideologue. Whatever McCain really is deep inside, he's completely supressed it for the sake of his pursuit of "my precious"; he wants it bad enough to suck up to the Falwells and Dobsons and Weirich's of the world, the same people he found disgusting, dyspeptic, etc. just a few years ago. Sad to see it happen but power does corrupt one. Obama's not immune either but I am a Dem and believe that Dem policies are simply better than Bush policies and have 8 years of failure and 8 previous years of some success and a balanced budget (under Clinton) to back me up on that

take care

tj

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Tybo:

" am very disturbed to learn that there is an ongoing attempt to withhold evidence, and to delay the Alaskan legislature's investigation into "troopergate". If it is a partisan investigation that will show in the report,but if as from the evidence already in the public domain there was an abuse of power, then
"

yeah, having the DNC take over for the investigator is never partisan, is it?

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c y:

Ras today 9/18 has it still tied 48-48

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riverrun:

Research 200/Daily Kos have posted Friday’s result: Obama extends his lead further, now up +7%. (Single day results for Wednesday, Thursday, both at +8%).

More interesting than the raw lead, is the causative factor behind it. The very useful internals show how the net favourability ratings (favourable – unfavourable) have collapsed for McCain and even more so for Palin. McCain now has favourables exactly matched by unfavourables – 0% net. Palin is even worse, with negative favourability, at -5%.

Before rejecting this as Daily Kos liberal bias, consider the internal trend: the same poll had McCain at +12%, and Palin +9%, just last Saturday. Obama during the same period has gone from + 14% to +22% net. (Biden is virtually unchanged).

Rasmussen favourable figures are kinder to McCain, but show a similar trend line:
McCain net favourable goes from 22% (Sept 8) to 12% (Sept 18).

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c y:

do you guys really believe that dems are 9% more than gop?

RCP is not even using the daily kos tracker in there avg

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marctx:

Both CNN and MSNBC said Thanks, But No Thanks to Obama & Biden's inability to make a decision in a time of crisis.

Obama thinks he can vote "present" whenever a real decision has to made.

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c y:

lets see what gallup shows today.

does anyone know the makeup of gallup's sample?

dems vs gop?

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marctx:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama
said on Friday he would hold off from presenting his own economic recovery plan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080919/ts_nm/usa_politics_obama_financial_dc

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c y:

Obama does not commit to a plan while Mccains economic plan is adopted by the feds and the market as of now has regained all of the weeks loses

Perhaps the swing voters will pay attention to this.

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1magine:

STOP HARPING ON MCCAIN AND ZAPATERO!!!! ENOUGH. The campaign has made it clear on several occasions that JM does not speak for the JM campaign - YOU CAN NOT possibly hold his words against that of the campaign. It's not fair and it's not right.

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djneedle83:


Right now we are in the midst of a scam economy. The market rebounds mean **** because the fed is in the making of a trillion dollar tax-payer bailout.

This is devistating news to the McCain campaign because most voters see him as Bush's 3rd term.

The focus is no longer on Iraq, Iran, and the Middle East. To the voter with average intelligence on the economy, market bailouts are viewed as negative and hurt the candidate running for the incumbent party.

Rove should know that math.

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jamesia:

@ cy:

How do you know McCain isn't just saying what the feds obviously would have done? It was never "McCain's economic plan". That's just foolish, biased reasoning. The feds would never have allowed everything to crash. The story of the last week is McCain's obvious flipflop from deregulator to regulator. Then he turns around and says Obama is using the poor economy as a weapon, while not realizing that 1) he himself said the economy is strong, now it's poor and can be used as a weapon, 2) when Obama regurgitates flaws in the economy that are making the headlines everyday and then stating McCain's positions (until the second half of last week, anyway) is stating the facts, not weapon brandishing.

And John McCain's advice to firing the SEC is preposterous. Somehow the economy is now the SEC's fault? Whereas at the beginning of the last week, when McCain was still saying the economy was strong, he was taking credit for it by being on the commerce committee in the Senate. Maybe John McCain should be fired from the commerce committee.

Now it'll be seen as to whether McCain can reconcile his lopsided tax cuts with his support for tax-payer absorption of billions of dollars in debt. Or has it been forgotten that McCain used to be strongly opposed to Bush's tax cuts? Back when McCain publicly admitted what everyone knows: that it's immoral to simultaneously cut taxes while forcing tax payers to take on huge sums of debt. But hey, the economy isn't McCain's strong suit, right?

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s.b.:

Setting aside all the juvenile tripe that passes for commentary on this thread, does anyone have internals for this poll? Not the % of women who support one of the other but the percentages polled, the weightings. This poll seems way out of line with the others for this state. It could be just a bad sample or it could be methodology.

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s.b.:

Specifically for Colorado, please.

And state polls do not "lag behind" national polls. The only reason it seems that way at timesis because state polls are not done as much or as often but that is not the case any longer. In fact there is an inherent Dem bias in natinal polling because of California, NY and even Illinois this time skewing the natnl numbers but not having any effect on the electoral college. Bigger states havwe more population than electoral college weight, smaller states the opposite. So nat'l polls have a skew toward Dem's that the electoral college ie state polls don't.

Just FYI

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djneedle83:

Let's face it, Obama is going to win Minnestoa, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennslyvania, and New Hampshire.

The election comes down to Ohio, Colorado, Nevada, and Virgnia.

As of right now, I feel that McCain takes Florida, North Carolina, and Montana.

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boomshak:

@riverrun:

The problem with the DailyKos Poll is that the weighting of their sample is wrong. They give a 9 point edge to democrats in the sample.

Rasmussen says this is 5 points based upon 45,000 interviews. In addition, that 5 point number was determined prior to the selection of Palin as VP. I expect the real numbers will tighten further.

So basically, the DailyKos Poll is flawed at it's core.

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zotz:

McCain's plan is to fire the SEC chairman (which the president cannot do), lie like hell about Obama, and then run away from his own record on advocating bank deregulation. He knows that he can make any bogus claim and he will be supported by the wingnuts here.

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c y:

From Mccains economic speech today:

And the massive new tax burden that my opponent plans for the American economy is exactly the wrong answer. His tax increase — along with the enormous new federal programs he proposes — are the surest way to turn a recession into a depression. In every respect, the Obama tax hikes would make things even worse for the working people of this country.

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boomshak:

@zotz,

The SEC Chairman should be fired. he removed the "uptick rule" on shortselling (stock has to tick up before you can short it) and allowed short-sellerrs to drive these stocks into the ground.

He should be fired and by saying so, McCain further distances himself from the Bush Admin.

McCain doesn't have to "lie" about Obama. Obama got 5 times as much money from Fannie Mae as any other Congressman. Additionally, two former CEO's both under the cloud of corruption, have been heavily involved in hsi campaign, one going so far as the head his VP Selection Committee.

These are facts and not lies and troubling for Obama. In other words, "That's gonna leave a mark!"

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zotz:

cy-
Sounds just like a Herbert Hoover speech from 1930. Sure just let everything crash and let the free market system work! HA!!!

This is the death of Reaganomics. Your Republican God is dead!!

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c y:

what is the weighing of the gallop tracker for dem vs gop?

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KipTin:

Typical Obamanation LIES from "he who is banned again and again." BTW: For the academic elitist--Did you know Harry Truman had NO college education?
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Regarding McCain... Read his COMPREHENSIVE economic speech available to the right summarized as--
McCain: Obama "profited from this system of abuse and scandal."

McCain really takes Obama to task for Obama's association with FreddieMac and FannieMae who are at the heart of this mess (Obama receipt of their "lobbyist" money and having two of their former corporate heads as his advisors.)

Note: McCain pushed for reforming these corporations TWO years ago. He actually tried to take action, but the Dems would not have it because they were concerned that fewer lower income people would have access to home mortgages. In hindsight... Maybe that would have been a good thing.

Further, McCain outlines his own plan for economic security. VERY WELL WRITTEN speech with substance.

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Connor:

@Tybo

Kind of like when Kenn Starr investigated Clinton?

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zotz:

"McCain, who told the Wall Street Journal in March that "I'm always for less regulation," now asks voters to believe he will be a champion of tough, unblinking oversight. He's shocked and outraged that Wall Street's preening Masters of the Universe threw a drunken toga party and smashed all the furniture -- but he helped buy the beer and told the cops to look the other way.
Here's something that really ought to grab everyone's attention: McCain supports George W. Bush's idea of channeling at least some Social Security funds into "personal accounts" that individuals would invest on Wall Street. Some of that money would have been entrusted to firms such as Bear Stearns (failed), Lehman Brothers (failed) and Merrill Lynch (sold at a fire sale). Imagine what this crisis would be like if Americans' Social Security benefits were evaporating along with their housing values and their 401(k) accounts.

This is the man who's going to reform the economy?"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/18/AR2008091803052.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

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NeverMetAnHonestLib:

While Obama sleeps, and congress takes a vacation, McCain offers economic solutions. The dems really won't make any decisions for fear of making the wrong one. They'll just wait to pounce on the repubs hoping they make a wrong move.

Don't be surprised to see the libs come up with a new "affordable housing" plan that comes with a paid mortgage and full insurance coverage by AIG.

In the meantime, Obama special ops will continue to hack Palin's email and go through Alaskan republicans' trash cans. Libs on this blog will continue to get chills over the thought troopergate will be Sarah's downfall.

Come the first Wednesday in November, libs will scream "recount."

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KipTin:

Gosh...zotz... You do not know anything about Herbert Hoover, do you? He was a progressive liberal (like Obama).

From Wikipedia-- "A dedicated Progressive and Reformer, Hoover saw the presidency as a vehicle for improving the conditions of all Americans by regulation and by encouraging volunteerism. As Commerce Secretary he had taken an active pro-regulation stance. As President he helped push tariff and farm support bills through Congress."

Sound familiar???

Interestingly, FDR took up a Hoover program--

"The final attempt of the Hoover Administration to rescue the economy was the passage of the Emergency Relief and Construction Act which included funds for public works programs and the creation of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC) in 1932. The RFC's initial goal was to provide government-secured loans to financial institutions, railroads and farmers. The RFC had minimal impact at the time, but was adopted by Franklin Delano Roosevelt and greatly expanded as part of his New Deal."

Public works programs? Didn't I hear Obama propose that just this week? YES.

So Hoover ain't so bad after all, or your Obama is just as hapless as Hoover.

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thoughtful:

It seems to me that every body is into the blame game.

McCain claims he knew 2 years ago but showed no leadership, displayed no heroics and was unsuccessful in doing anything about it.

So he failed to prevent but knew it was happening.

I think he is claiming that Obama was bought off, so we'll have to ask Obama that question.

McCain will have to answer the question concerning his drive for the past 20 years at total deregulation and the legislation that he and Phil Gramm introduced.

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NeverMetAnHonestLib:

Zotz:

If libs had invested SOME of that Social Security in mutual funds, they would still be ahead. You go ahead support the dems that won't do a thing to fix a broken system. Bush tried, but the democratic congress never--not even once--offered their solution to fix social security. They would rather give OUR money to people who can't pay their bills. You'll never get it.

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KipTin:

I read that the Obamanation was going to turn toward the "privatization" of social security issue to SCARE voters. Funny. McCain stated succinctly that ALL options for social security are "on the table" and he has not championed one over the other.
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Obama cannot escape his strong CONNECTION to FannieMae and FreddieMac by demonizing McCain. A recent Rasmussen poll shows that voters are worried about TOO MUCH REGULATION rather than too little in response to these recent events. Overall, most Americans are "for less regulation." It is in their DNA.

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NeverMetAnHonestLib:

Libs think that home ownership, medical care, education, food, clothing, utilities, security, computers, and cell phones should be guaranteed to citizens, legal aliens, and illegal aliens as a constitutional right.

Conservatives believe these things should all be available to those willing to work hard enough to earn them.

Conversatives continue to do more charitable giving--by far--than libs. Conservatives give THEIR money away. Libs give YOUR money away. Joe Biden is the perfect example.

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KipTin:

So "thoughtful"... How can you say that McCain showed "no leadership" 2 years ago. What do you think this is?--

From Congressional Record: McCain address to Senate--

"I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole."

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marctx:


Wow! Were the democrats responsible for email hacking on Palin???

http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080918/NEWS02/80918081

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Napoleon Complex:

@KipTin:

Herbert Hoover was a progressive liberal? That's about the funniest thing I've ever heard. I thought boomshak was the king of all spinners, but this one takes the cake.

Hoover was the successor to Calvin Coolidge who proclaimed that the "business of America is business." Hoover may have unfairly taken all of the blame for the Great Depression, but he was no progressive liberal.

Here's the mission statement from the Herbert Hoover Institution located at Stanford U.

This Institution supports the Constitution of the United States, its Bill of Rights and its method of representative government. Both our social and economic systems are based on private enterprise from which springs initiative and ingenuity.... Ours is a system where the Federal Government should undertake no governmental, social or economic action, except where local government, or the people, cannot undertake it for themselves.... The overall mission of this Institution is, from its records, to recall the voice of experience against the making of war, and by the study of these records and their publication, to recall man's endeavors to make and preserve peace, and to sustain for America the safeguards of the American way of life. This Institution is not, and must not be, a mere library. But with these purposes as its goal, the Institution itself must constantly and dynamically point the road to peace, to personal freedom, and to the safeguards of the American system."

The Hoover Institution was named after Herbert Hoover because he subscribed to this philosophy -- which caused the Great Depression, the S&L Scandal of the '80s and the crisis we're seeing today.

I realize that the RNC/Fox News talking point of the day is to try to pin this on Obama and the Dems, but it isn't going to work. The American public is smart enough to know that trickle-down economics doesn't work and all McCain is doing is asking for more of the same.

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NeverMetAnHonestLib:

Marctx:

This is probably why dems closed congress and Obama is silent. This is the newest DEMgate. Still haven't heard this in msm.

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KipTin:

Laugh all you want...Napoleon Complex... but do your homework first. Hoover was considered a progressive liberal and such is so stated in many bios about him... as well as evidenced by his actions and policies.

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Napoleon Complex:

@KipTin:

I did. I cited the Institution named after him. You cited Wikipedia.

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zotz:

Kiptin-
"The fundamentals of our economy are strong"-McCain

"Prosperity is just around the corner"-Hoover

Both Hoover and McCain believe in trickle down economics. Obama believes in bottom up economics. Hoover was not a liberal. He thought that helping poor people dirctly would corrupt their morals. He believed the Depression was part of the business cycle. He did believe in helping corporations.

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NeverMetAnHonestLib:

You libs that claim trickle down economics doesn't work still think that Algore invented the internet. You don't even know the theory behind trickle down, or you would clearly see that it does and has work(ed) to America's benefit. You're nothing but parrots.

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KipTin:

Dumb. The Hoover Institute is NOT the same as President Hoover.

Here is an ACADEMIC source regarding progressivism.....

Hoover in Perspective

Hoover's reputation has risen over the years. He is no longer blamed for causing the Depression; instead, scholars note that Hoover's efforts to combat its effects were extraordinary when compared to federal anti-depression measures invoked during previous economic crises.

--These efforts, moreover, flowed logically from the President's unique brand of social, economic, and political progressivism.-- (my emphasis)

Nonetheless, the nation's economy continued to sink during the Hoover presidency. With the public losing confidence in the President's abilities, leadership, and policies, Hoover paid the ultimate political price for these failures in November 1932.

http://millercenter.org/academic/americanpresident/hoover/essays/biography/1

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NeverMetAnHonestLib:

John F. Kennedy is on record supporting "trickle down theory."

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KipTin:

Obama does NOT believe in "bottom up" economics. (Where in the heck did you get that? Did Obama say so?) He believes in using the federal government to redistribute wealth.

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KipTin:

BTW... Few know that Hoover was a Quaker and his VP was Native American.

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NeverMetAnHonestLib:

Recent polls indicate that Americans think small business owners work harder than any other group. How may small business owners do you libs think will vote for Obama? If Obama is all about working people, then why won't the hardest working people vote for him?

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Napoleon Complex:

@KipTin:

Granted, I forgot to paste in the following introduction to the above quote by Herbert Hoover to the Board of Trustees at the Institution named after him, but you really should check your facts before calling other people dumb.

"Now more than four decades old, Herbert Hoover's 1959 statement to the Board of Trustees of Stanford University on the purpose and scope of the Hoover Institution continues to guide and define its mission in the twenty-first century"

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zotz:

"Hoover's reputation has risen over the years."
That explains a lot!

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zotz:

Kiptin- I got it from this guy.
"Instead of more of the same failed policies of recent years, Barack Obama and Joe Biden have an economic plan premised on fostering bottom-up growth. They would help get the economy moving again by relieving the burden on families with energy rebates of $1,000 and by saving more than 1 million jobs with $50 billion in immediate measures."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/27/furman.economy/

I found a better one linking McCain and Hoover!

Hoover said, “The fundamental business of the country, that is production and distribution of commodities, is on a sound and prosperous basis.”
That’s the very same thing that John McCain is saying. Hoover said this when he ran against Franklin D. Roosevelt, the man who helped bring us out of the Depression.
http://www.stjoenews.net/news/2008/sep/17/its-your-call-sept-17-2008/


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Napoleon Complex:

@KipTin:

Also forgot to paste the link to the Herbert Hoover Institution.

http://www.hoover.org/about/mission

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zotz:

Napoleon-
I think she has decided that discussion on this topic is not helping McCain. I got her to take the bait, didn't I?

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KipTin:

So nice to read that you guys think you are "baiting" me or got anything over on me.

FYI... $1000 rebate is NOT bottom up. It is taking taxpayer money and redirecting it for redistribution.

Bottom up would be successful "small businesses" and "small investors."

For some reason Obamanation thinks that all middleclass America are "workers only" and ignore those who are enterprising self-employed, as well as the fact that a very large number of Americans are also investors.

P.S. There is NO correlation between Hoover and McCain (except in the mind of Senator Reid and Obamanation)... ergo no effect.

Done here. New polls to peruse. Just checked back to read your ongoing misrepresentation. Enjoy soothing each other's ego.

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