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MI: 51% Snyder, 29% Bernero (EPIC-MRA 8/21-23)

Topics: Michigan , poll

EPIC-MRA / Detroit Free Press
8/21-23/10; 600 likely voters, 4% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(EPIC-MRA release)

Michigan

2010 Governor
51% Snyder (R), 29% Bernero (D) (chart)

Favorable / Unfavorable
Barack Obama: 44 / 49
Jennifer Granholm: 32 / 63
Virg Bernero: 22 / 27
Rick Snyder: 48 / 12

 

Comments
CompCon:

Nerds of the world unite. Go Rick.

Those favorables tell the story. No matter what he says or does, Bernero will never convince Michiganders that he is not a third Granholm term.

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Field Marshal:

I guess the people in Michigan have had enough of failed liberal policies.

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Cederico:

Actually Field Marshall the state of this race is all about the horrible economy in Michigan.

This state was in a one state recession for years before Obama took over. It is too heavily dependent on the auto industry and when that went south so did the economy. And the policies of GOP Governor of 12 years, John Engler, left current Gov. Jennifer Granholm a very bad hand which she hasn't really played well. Also note the role of the usually GOP controlled state Legislature (until DEMS too state House in 2006) in the current mess. if you are gonna blame Gov. Granholm then give them their fair share for not doing more to help the economy.

Michigan would have even worse economic numbers and outlook if the "liberal" Obama administration had not stepped in an force GM and Chrysler to restructure. Now they are again profitable and thousands have jobs.

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CompCon:

If the liberal Obama hadn't stepped in and stolen the GM and Chrysler away from the stockholders and given to the unions as payback - they would have survived and been better off without those crippling union contracts as anchors around their necks.

Granholm had eight years and you still blame Engler? That sounds a whole lot like Obama and his "blame Bush" policy. This democrat strategy is just downright stupid. Voters are sick of the "blame the other guy" excuses. Grow some balls. Take responsibility. Embrace your failures and learn from them. Don't run away and hide in the corner like a bunch of sissy girly men.

Michigan's problem is that Granholm is the most anti-business governor ever elected.

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Cederico:

CompCon,

Sorry but Bush was the first to bail out the AutoMakers in 2008 and Obama just finished the process. So if you are gonna blame Obama then blame Bush too.

The auto companies were about to fall and would have been sold off. Hundreds of thousands would have lost jobs and the economies of the Upper Midwest would have crumbled. So yeah...Obama should have just let them fall. Not!

I didn't praise Granholm. But she did inherit a mess from 12 years of bad policy by Engler. And the fact remains she had to deal with the very conservative GOP controlling the legislature during most of her terms...don't you think they deserves come blame for not getting the economy of the state going?

Now you say "take responsibility" I say cool...when Bush and the GOP take credit for:

1) Giving Obama an economy falling off the cliff (700,000 jobs being lost, steep recession with negative growth of 6 or so percent, etc)

2) Allowing the financial crisis to fester and then coming up with $750 Billion Bank Bailout.

3) Leaving Obama two screwed up wars to wrap up and in the case of Afghanistan...to win.

I could go on and on but you get my point. You and other GOPers need to own up to your failures. Obama is just mopping up for you all and trying to turn things around.

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Mike E:

"1) Giving Obama an economy falling off the cliff (700,000 jobs being lost, steep recession with negative growth of 6 or so percent, etc)"

Dems like Barney Frank and Chris Dodd crashed the economy by failing to police Freddy and Fanny and saying NO to Bushes attempts to overhaul them.

"2) Allowing the financial crisis to fester and then coming up with $750 Billion Bank Bailout."

The bank bailout was only 87 billion (lie away dems).

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/04/23/politics/main6426114.shtml

And it worked, unlike Obamas failed $787 billion stimulus plan.

"3) Leaving Obama two screwed up wars to wrap up and in the case of Afghanistan...to win."

The Iraq war was allready won by the time Obama took office, thanks to Bushes surge. Obama is screwing up the Afghanistan surge by failing to send enough troops.

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CompCon:

Cederico: "Sorry but Bush was the first to bail out the AutoMakers in 2008 and Obama just finished the process. So if you are gonna blame Obama then blame Bush too."

Why is this so difficult for you liberals to understand? I have beliefs and principles. I don't support bail-outs - ever. I don't care if Bush was first or not - I don't support bail-outs.

Liberals like you blasted Bush for every decision he ever made and I guarantee they were screaming and gnashing their teeth if he gave money to the automakers (which I don't recall and don't care one way or the other). You make yourselves look like idiots when you suddenly reverse yourselves on Bush when Obama does something Bush did first.

Some day you will acknowledge that Obama is the president now and what he does or doesn't do has absolutely nothing to do with what Bush did or didn't do. People are tired of "Obama inherited all of these problems" that they could puke. Every president inherits problems - not all of them whine and cry about it forever. Some presidents actually take responsibility for their own actions.

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Farleftandproud:

Either Bernero is a terrible candidate and the other guy a centrist, or this poll is messed up.

I think that GOP governors will cut more jobs than Democratic ones because they love to cut the size of government and that usually means layoffs in the public sector. If a Republican wins in Michigan or CA, I predict things will probably get worse, and if the unemployment improves, the quality of life and availability of good jobs won't.

People will go from working for the DEPT of Michigan Conservation in a rural part of the state, and the budget will be cut and their jobs will be cut as well. They might be getting paid $17 an hour and suddenly will have to take a job at a Supermarket for $8.50. That has been a pattern in the country regardless of who is governor, but the GOP will not do much to create jobs in the public sector.

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Farleftandproud:

Well Whitman would probably not be that bad as a governor. I prefer Jerry, but at least she doesn't seem extreme. Michigan Republicans in contrast are not all that moderate. That is a trend in the midwest, and they tend to be heavily anti-choice, pro big business, and in my book have had a little success when the economy is good, but if this recession is worldwide.

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Cederico:

Mike E,

Here is my response to your rebuttals.

1)You didn't actually argue against my main premise that Bush gave Obama a horrible economy. I see you try to throw it off on poor oversight by Dodd and Frank during the 2007-2008 Congressional session. I would respond with the simple fact that most of problem loans in the housing market predated this period and simply Dodd and Frank are just Committee Chairs not the whole of Congress. If Bush wanted to reform Freddie and Fannie he could have easily done so between 2001 and 2007 when the GOP ran the show in Congress.

Just face it...the GOP and Bush are responsible for many of the economic conditions we face.

2) You talk about the cost of the Bailout being 87 Billion. I believe you are talking about after repayments of funds. Well guess what..the government had to borrow an extra 750 Billion for TARP which again was from Bush. It did work thank God but stop complaining against government spending then. And every report that has come out including the latest from the CBO say the Stimulus created and saved millions of jobs and added many points to the GDP figures over the last year. So again I guess government spending does work and Obama's program was successful.

3) Iraq Already Won?!? Really? Things were improving but we are just now getting combat troops out and still have 50,000 troops there. Obama has managed the drawdown very well and his national security/defense team deserve the credit.

Afghanistan was a mess when he inherited it and he has a new strategy to win this war. We will see if it works. But my point remains...Bush handed him a major lemon and he is trying to make lemonade.

So I continue to say that before you GOP conservatives try to blame Obama for current conditions...at least acknowledge who got us there in the first place. You did.

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ObamaisMarxistFilth:

I don't know if people like FarLeftandProud really don't understand, or if they just pretend not to understand that people in the private sector are the ones who must PAY for those "public sector" jobs he loves so much.

The private sector pulls the wagon in which the public sector rides. If you think you can build an economy by taking more and more people out of the ranks of wagon-pullers and putting them in the wagon.....then what you're really proud of isn't your "farleftism" but your economic illiteracy.

And anticipating your predictable reply, yes, SOME public sector jobs are necessary. Cops firemen, judges....not much more, though. Those people, alas, comprise a minority of the cart-riders. There are far too many paper-pushers we could easily live without...they actually do more harm than good, and we have to pay them besides. We'd be better off sendingmost of them home even if we have to pay them, just so we get them out of the way of people trying to do productive work.

We can start with educational bureaucrats. If you aren't a teacher or a principal, OUT with you. Go get a real job.

If you're qualified for any.

OIMF

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Field Marshal:

OIMF,

Absolutely correct. Check out Arnolds article in todays WSJ.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703447004575449813071709510.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

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Mike E:

"....and still have 50,000 troops there. Obama has managed the drawdown very well and his national security/defense team deserve the credit. "

Well we still have more than that in Germany and Japan and those wars were won more than 60 years ago. Yes, it must be hard to draw down troops in an area after winning a war there, sheeesh! Good job team!

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