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MO: Obama 52, McCain 46 (Rasmussen-10/15)

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Rasmussen
10/15/08; 700 LV, 4%
Mode: IVR

Missouri
Obama 52, McCain 46
Gov: Nixon (D) 57, Hulshof (R) 38

 

Comments
jamesia:

woops! lol

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Isher:

McCain's closing in! Watch out!

Lol.

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Shaft:

Can I get a 'Wot-Wot!!'? Can I get a witness?

Consider this McCain's 6th crash landing!

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straight talk:

The poles basically froze today. McCain surged a bit. But his running mate does not have the ablility to connect with swing voters. Plus the RNC is running out of money. The supreme court just ruled against the GOp in Ohio. Which would keep those 200,000 voters on the rolls for the election. Bad news for McCain. Obama will win this election by 300+ EV.

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mysticlaker:

OMG! OMG! Obama is trouble...New numbers from RAS:

Colorado
October 16, 700 Likely Voters
O-52
M-45

Nevada
October 16, 700 Likely Voters
O-50
M-45

Oh, sorry...Just wanted to give Boom and Kip a bone...

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straight talk:

The poles basically froze today. McCain surged a bit. But his running mate does not have the ablility to connect with swing voters. Plus the RNC is running out of money. The supreme court just ruled against the GOp in Ohio. Which would keep those 200,000 voters on the rolls for the election. Bad news for McCain. Obama will win this election by 300+ EV.

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boomdoom:

Man mcshame never would have thought he has invest in red state where bush won with 8 pts in 2004

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Stonecreek:

From the Ras MO poll details:

13* Suppose taxes were increased on people who make more than $250,000 a year. Would raising taxes for people who make more than $250,000 a year be good for the economy, bad for the economy, or have no impact on the economy?

51% Good for the economy
31% Bad
13% No impact

Does this help explain why McCain's anti-tax diatribe is gaining no traction?

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makersmark:

those NV and CO are MUCH better than I was expecting for O, especially NV

WOW

:)

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Louis:

Underlying numbers are quite strong. Missouri is definetly going blue.

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mandalorianarmy:

Racism at a Palin rally, this should be spread around:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHrExRHZnm0

Absolutely disgusting.

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Kiera_Lynn:

Straight talk, poles are things you stick in the ground to put utility wires on, or the the northernmost and southernmost points of the axis on which the earth rotates. If you capitalized it, then you would have people native to the country Poland. Polls are the places people go to vote.

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iVote:

@ mysticlaker

where are those numbers from? are they valid? I thought Ras didn't release until later.

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kerrchdavis:

where are those Ras numbers from?

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mysticlaker:

They are valid...Enjoy!

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mac7396:

Boomshak Help! These polls are discrediting the narrative of a McCain surge. Only your wisdom can explain why they must outliers.

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hirshnoc:

WOO! Thank you Missouri! And thank you ERIC! Goodnight and Enjoy!

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The_Huntsman:

Sweet, can we paint MO blue now?

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mysticlaker:

OMG! OMG! All this good news for McCain. It's incredible to see it all in one day.

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Oldy75:

So I was having lunch with Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright and Father Flager today when, we were watching Msnbc as we always do and we here that the Supreme Court ruled in our favor in Ohio. Ayers then tells us that it is a huge relief since he has had this plan since the '70s to get a trojan horse in the White House. Then Wright backs him up and adds that this saved our plans to have a 1960 style ballot box stuffing in Ohio. Of course I add that we need to control the media discourse on this subject to protect our plans.

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jamesia:

Now that news is spreading that the NRSC pulled out of CO, I wonder if there will be a dramatic swing toward Obama, similar to the swing we saw when McCain left MI.

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faithhopelove:

Upcoming on the trail:

Today:
Obama in VA
Biden in NM & NV
Jill Biden in MO
Hillary in OH
McCain in FL
Palin in OH & IN

Saturday:
Obama in MO
Biden in CA
Jill Biden in MO
McCain in NC & VA
Palin in PA
Cindy McCain in PA

Sunday:
Obama in NC
Biden in WA
Jill Biden in MO
Bill Clinton in NV
McCain in OH
Palin in NM
Cindy McCain in PA

Monday:
Obama in FL
Biden in CO
Hillary in FL
Bill Clinton in NV
McCain in MO
Palin in CO
Cindy McCain in PA

Tuesday:
Obama in FL
Biden in CO
Palin in NV

Wednesday:
Biden in CO
McCain in NH
Palin in MO

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kerrchdavis:

Wait, where are these Ras polls from? Are they shown for premium members first or what?

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RussTC3:

Missouri, 10/15 (9/11)
Obama 52 (46)
McCain 46 (51)
+6 Obama, -5 McCain = 11 point Obama Swing

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mysticlaker:

Yes, premimum members first.

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Namvet:

Latest news: McCain dumps Palin and picks Joe 'the Plumber' as his running mate.

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KipTin:

That's strange regarding correlation with poll results.

Favorable ratings: Obama 56%/McCain 57%.

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Looks like it is mandalorianarmy who is spreading hatred around. The video is NOT of a Palin rally but rather of people waiting in line being accosted by an anti-McCain/Palin demonstration.

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KipTin:

FYI: NRSC is the National Republican SENATE Committee and has nothing to do with McCain's campaign. NRSC focuses on electing GOP Senators only.

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mandalorianarmy:

KipTin,

The people in the video were entering a Palin rally and yes there were Obama supporters across the street. So that gives them a pass on shouting racist and biggoted chants.

If that doesn't convince you then what about this:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-081017-food-stamps,0,1328119.story

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kerrchdavis:

So McCain's surge is resulting in him losing ground in MO, CO and NV ALL states that he MUST win.

lol. can we get boom in here to give us a definition of "surge"?

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OGLiberal:

The Rasmussen numbers are a +1 improvement for Obama in both CO and NV. Not much movement but he's at or over 50 in both states, just like he was last week. Stability. And these are post-debate numbers so if the debate helped anybody in these two states, it helped Obama, but just a little bit.

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jonny87:

OGLiberal:

what are the numbers again?

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RussTC3:

There are two ways to look at this: treating the Fox News/Rasmussen surveys equal to the Rasmussen only ones, or treating them differently. I treat them differently.

4 point improvement for Obama in Colorado and a 1 point improvement in Nevada.

Colorado, 10/15 (9/23)
Obama 52 (50)
McCain 45 (47)
+2 Obama, -2 McCain = 4 point Obama Swing

Nevada, 10/15 (10/2)
Obama 50 (51)
McCain 45 (47)
-1 Obama, -2 McCain = 1 point Obama Swing

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Namvet:

Nice try for a spin, TinTin, but those people are rabid Palin's supporters and what they're shouting is pretty ugly stuff. Looks more like a National Socialist Party gathering than anything else.

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American Idle:

I live in St. Louis County and have for 15 years. While people think of MO as a "Red" state, it has really only been because of the (let's be honest here) rather weak Dem. Presidential campaigns in 2000 and 2004 that didn't really try to connect here.

MO really is a swing state.

It doesn't necessarily surprise me that the poll shows Obama ahead - my nose tells me he is running very strong in suburban St. Louis County and not only in the city proper.

The keys for Obama (or any Democrat) to win MO are:

1) Run up the vote in Kansas City and St. Louis.

2) Win by a healthy margin in St. Louis County.

3) Not get beaten too badly out-state.

It looks like he has 1) and 2) down. Just need to do 3) as well.

--AI

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Stonecreek:

Re: NRSC pullout in CO. Of course this has a fatal effect on McCain. It is only by coordinating his Federal money with RNC, NRSC, and RCCC that McCain can hope to compete in battleground states. The reason McCain is still in some of the places he's in like PA is that there are Congressional races where his money is part of the effort to keep some Congressional candidates afloat. He was advertising in markets that penetrate NH because of Sunnunu, not in hopes of winning NH. It is only because Sunnunu is an incumbent that the NRSC hasn't cut and run there and they've forced McCain to throw good dollars after bad. I'm tellin' ya folks, the rest of this campaign is all about salvaging whatever Congressional R's they can, not about electing McCain.

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johncoz:

@Kiptin

"obama bin laden" (a notion also promoted by the VA RNC chairman, as well) is an obscene disgrace and embarrassment for all Americans, regardless of their political affiliations.

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jonny87:

CO still looking good, its going to come down to CO and VA i think.

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alleyesontheprize:

Not really surprised by the video. You know the saying - not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republicans. Good luck growing the party over the next 20 years!

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Stonecreek:

Please spare us, KipTin. If you want to believe that McCain holds an advantage in the MO poll favarables 57-56, then also mention that the STRONG favorables for Obama are 40, while McCain only musters a mediocre 28 "strong". Poor McCain's "somewhat favorables" at 29 outweigh his "strongs". Pitiful.

Check around and see which politicians would swap Obama's "56" for McCain's "57", then give us a call back when you've got a taker.

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American Idle:

kiptin:

Yes, the NRSC focuses on Senatorial campaigns rather than the Presidential campaign. Still, there is a reinforcing effect of the money spent in the two campaigns. Well, let's put it this way. If the NRSC were to pull out of CO, it definitely would be helpful to McCain.

Anyway, just look at the map. McCain has to flip FL (I believe this is quite possible) and VA (also possible, but not as likely). That leaves him 5 EVs short (assuming he wins every "yellow" state). Where does he get those? The only possibilities I see are CO or NM and, of those two, CO is definitely the better choice for McCain.

--AI

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PortlandRocks:

Gosh where all all the trolls today? At least Kiptin has the balls to show up and she's a woman!:) hehe

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jonny87:

when did mccain last go CO?

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kerrchdavis:

jeez, that video is ****ed. And I'm not saying that Obama supporters dont hurl insults too but there is no need for ANYONE to stoop to that level.

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sunnymi:


Missouri is a true bellwether state. It is the only state which has picked the WINNER in 25 out the last 26 (since 1904) Presidential Elections (1956 is the only exception when Adlai Stevenson carried it against Eisenhower by 4000 votes)

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deeznutsrepubs:

Kerch -

What do you expect from inbred knuckle-draggers?? It is pretty sad that even one minority would even consider voting for a republican. If they have to represent people like that (racists) when they reach office, how can they possibly represent minorities too?? The guy would have to be a schizo.


Anyways, to kipcrap and boomshat -

Please let me know where you will be election night, so I can laugh in your face. Thanks.


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alankeyesisawesome:

Well, with this poll's margin of Error (which always works towards the republicans btw), Obama is only 2 points behind and definitely within striking distance!

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Viperlord:

Congratulations. You've won the most ignorant biased dumb post Award of the Day.

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mysticlaker:
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kerrchdavis:

roflmao!

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GretchenA:

American Idle:

We're holding our own down here in Cape. ;) The county usually goes 70/30 Repub and we have a shot to get it to 60/40 this time around.

We're phonebanking every day and canvassing several times a week.

Yes we can!

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kerrchdavis:

Can someone tell me why the real Alan Keyes sounds so gay if he is anti-homosexuality? He talks and gestures like he should be giving fashion advice on Queer Eye instead of running for political office.

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Oldy75:

www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-chicago-tribune-endorsement,0,1371034.story
chicagotribune.com
FROM THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE EDITORIAL BOARD
Tribune endorsement: Barack Obama for president

2:33 PM CDT, October 17, 2008

However this election turns out, it will dramatically advance America's slow progress toward equality and inclusion. It took Abraham Lincoln's extraordinary courage in the Civil War to get us here. It took an epic battle to secure women the right to vote. It took the perseverance of the civil rights movement. Now we have an election in which we will choose the first African-American president . . . or the first female vice president.

In recent weeks it has been easy to lose sight of this history in the making. Americans are focused on the greatest threat to the world economic system in 80 years. They feel a personal vulnerability the likes of which they haven't experienced since Sept. 11, 2001. It's a different kind of vulnerability. Unlike Sept. 11, the economic threat hasn't forged a common bond in this nation. It has fed anger, fear and mistrust.

On Nov. 4 we're going to elect a president to lead us through a perilous time and restore in us a common sense of national purpose.

The strongest candidate to do that is Sen. Barack Obama. The Tribune is proud to endorse him today for president of the United States.

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On Dec. 6, 2006, this page encouraged Obama to join the presidential campaign. We wrote that he would celebrate our common values instead of exaggerate our differences. We said he would raise the tone of the campaign. We said his intellectual depth would sharpen the policy debate. In the ensuing 22 months he has done just that.

Many Americans say they're uneasy about Obama. He's pretty new to them.

We can provide some assurance. We have known Obama since he entered politics a dozen years ago. We have watched him, worked with him, argued with him as he rose from an effective state senator to an inspiring U.S. senator to the Democratic Party's nominee for president.

We have tremendous confidence in his intellectual rigor, his moral compass and his ability to make sound, thoughtful, careful decisions. He is ready.

The change that Obama talks about so much is not simply a change in this policy or that one. It is not fundamentally about lobbyists or Washington insiders. Obama envisions a change in the way we deal with one another in politics and government. His opponents may say this is empty, abstract rhetoric. In fact, it is hard to imagine how we are going to deal with the grave domestic and foreign crises we face without an end to the savagery and a return to civility in politics.

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This endorsement makes some history for the Chicago Tribune. This is the first time the newspaper has endorsed the Democratic Party's nominee for president.

The Tribune in its earliest days took up the abolition of slavery and linked itself to a powerful force for that cause--the Republican Party. The Tribune's first great leader, Joseph Medill, was a founder of the GOP. The editorial page has been a proponent of conservative principles. It believes that government has to serve people honestly and efficiently.

With that in mind, in 1872 we endorsed Horace Greeley, who ran as an independent against the corrupt administration of Republican President Ulysses S. Grant. (Greeley was later endorsed by the Democrats.) In 1912 we endorsed Theodore Roosevelt, who ran as the Progressive Party candidate against Republican President William Howard Taft.

The Tribune's decisions then were driven by outrage at inept and corrupt business and political leaders.

We see parallels today.

The Republican Party, the party of limited government, has lost its way. The government ran a $237 billion surplus in 2000, the year before Bush took office -- and recorded a $455 billion deficit in 2008. The Republicans lost control of the U.S. House and Senate in 2006 because, as we said at the time, they gave the nation rampant spending and Capitol Hill corruption. They abandoned their principles. They paid the price.

We might have counted on John McCain to correct his party's course. We like McCain. We endorsed him in the Republican primary in Illinois. In part because of his persuasion and resolve, the U.S. stands to win an unconditional victory in Iraq.

It is, though, hard to figure John McCain these days. He argued that President Bush's tax cuts were fiscally irresponsible, but he now supports them. He promises a balanced budget by the end of his first term, but his tax cut plan would add an estimated $4.2 trillion in debt over 10 years. He has responded to the economic crisis with an angry, populist message and a misguided, $300 billion proposal to buy up bad mortgages.

McCain failed in his most important executive decision. Give him credit for choosing a female running mate--but he passed up any number of supremely qualified Republican women who could have served. Having called Obama not ready to lead, McCain chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. His campaign has tried to stage-manage Palin's exposure to the public. But it's clear she is not prepared to step in at a moment's notice and serve as president. McCain put his campaign before his country.

Obama chose a more experienced and more thoughtful running mate--he put governing before politicking. Sen. Joe Biden doesn't bring many votes to Obama, but he would help him from day one to lead the country.

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McCain calls Obama a typical liberal politician. Granted, it's disappointing that Obama's mix of tax cuts for most people and increases for the wealthy would create an estimated $2.9 trillion in federal debt. He has made more promises on spending than McCain has. We wish one of these candidates had given good, hard specific information on how he would bring the federal budget into line. Neither one has.

We do, though, think Obama would govern as much more of a pragmatic centrist than many people expect.

We know first-hand that Obama seeks out and listens carefully and respectfully to people who disagree with him. He builds consensus. He was most effective in the Illinois legislature when he worked with Republicans on welfare, ethics and criminal justice reform.

He worked to expand the number of charter schools in Illinois--not popular with some Democratic constituencies.

He took up ethics reform in the U.S. Senate--not popular with Washington politicians.

His economic policy team is peppered with advisers who support free trade. He has been called a "University of Chicago Democrat"--a reference to the famed free-market Chicago school of economics, which puts faith in markets.

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Obama is deeply grounded in the best aspirations of this country, and we need to return to those aspirations. He has had the character and the will to achieve great things despite the obstacles that he faced as an unprivileged black man in the U.S.

He has risen with his honor, grace and civility intact. He has the intelligence to understand the grave economic and national security risks that face us, to listen to good advice and make careful decisions.

When Obama said at the 2004 Democratic Convention that we weren't a nation of red states and blue states, he spoke of union the way Abraham Lincoln did.

It may have seemed audacious for Obama to start his campaign in Springfield, invoking Lincoln. We think, given the opportunity to hold this nation's most powerful office, he will prove it wasn't so audacious after all. We are proud to add Barack Obama's name to Lincoln's in the list of people the Tribune has endorsed for president of the United States.

Copyright © 2008, Chicago Tribune

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PortlandRocks:

Kerrchdavis I am gay and my internet GAYDAR has been going off like crazy since AlanKeys joined us!

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joethedummer:

missouri should be turning blue on here soon!

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OGLiberal:

That video from the McCain/Palin rally in PA is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen. What a bunch of ignorant, intolerant, hateful idiots. Seriously, they think that's acceptable behavior?

What's frightening is that while these folks are certainly ignorant, a lot of them appeared to be of average or better IQ. They weren't a bunch of functionally illiterate backwoods folks, drunk on moonshine. How they can reach these conclusions and believe what they say (Al Sharpton in Obama's cabinet????) is incredible.

Sad, sad, stuff...

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timontheleft:

@OGLiberal

I couldn't agree more. It's as though the lousy McCain campaign, the terrible Republican leadership of the last 8 years, and the last 30 years of CONservative crap have driven all of the reasonable, intelligent people from the Republican camp and exposed the core of the party for what it truly is.

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Scott W:

OH YEAH... you guys talking about "Alankeysisfabulous"... or is it marvelous? I am gay too... and can speak from experience having observed most homophobes are really that way based on a lot of internal hate. What else explains the fear? The Larry Craigs are the most dangerous people in politics. Always assume an anti-gay politician has already had a gay experience, they liked it...and they are tyring to somehow repent.

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wjbill49:

Dear GretchenA ......... thank you for what you are doing!!!!

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Oldy75:

Here is the Alan Keyes Crazy Talk express fix:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT7qhGvykiQ

This is almost as good as the one from yesterday Kerrch.


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wjbill49:

If Obama takes any of the "key" eastern states, VA, NC, FL, OH ..... show is over early. It appears right now he could take them all. With MO and NV he can get to 364 EV's. With CO and NM and IA .... he still gets over 270 WITHOUT FL, NC, VA or OH
Would be nice to get the big mandate though.

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timontheleft:
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American Idle:

Gretchen,

Ah, Limbaugh country. Best of luck down there. 40/60 in Cape Girardeau would be a very good sign indeed for Obama.

--AI

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wjbill49:

@tunibtheleft
an early close out would enable all the conservatives to trot out their excuses why this is wrong, not a mandate, will be terrible for the country and on and on ...... like the WSJ editorial board ..... sky will definitely fall.

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timontheleft:

@wjbill49

They'll probably do that anyway; they never seem to be able to look inward to see where their problems really are.

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wjbill49:

@tim
Your comment earlier about the remains of Ike's republican party ..... is why you will always have that 25-30% "sticking out there" on issues. I think Bush/Rove/Cheney have driven us to this setting for this election, the tidal wave of people (yeah for the young voters) who have come to realize the corruption of the conservative 15 years of control in Congress (Newt the hypocrite) and 8 years of the executive (and the corruption of all the departments) can not be stopped now and that is why the map has changed. Of course money does not hurt either.

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johncoz:

See sidebar article on Iraq agreement. Rice contacts Obama and Biden; Gates speaks to McCain. No one speaks to Palin. Shucks.

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It has been 8 long years since Bush won in 2000 by a 5 to 4 vote in our Supreme Court. Now is not the time to get complacent because of poll numbers. Get to the polls and vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden!

VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA AND LETS GET A DEMOCRAT WIN IN NOVEMBER!

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1503er:

PortlandRocks,

Did your gaydar pick anything else up? I'm a straight dude who enjoys an occasional romp with another straight dude. Thank god we're human and can enjoy these things. I believe there's far more people who's sexuality isn't so cut and dried. Just a shame our society puts such emphasis on it. And for some creepy reason the ones that feel most oppressed by their own sexuality gravitate to the hate mongering Republican party.

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1503er:

Wow. That video of the Palin rally... :(

No matter who wins those people will still exist in this country. What a sad commentary on our society. And what's worse is what will those people do if Obama wins? They appear very angry and pent up.

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Paul:

Obama +10 on understanding basic needs of MO people; +11 on handling the economy.

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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

Hey guys, Boomshak must be crying over all the money he lost on intrade. Some idiot was trying to manipulate the price and lost a small fortune.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20081017/pl_cq_politics/politics2976265

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Paul:

Rasmussen CO and NV are out, reported throughout the media, but I do not see a direct link yet.

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WPBLiberal:

Well, +7 In Colorado is more important than any national poll.


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WPBLiberal:

(Average of 6 Daily Tracking Polls)

10/10

Obama 49.9 McCain 42.3

10/17

Obama 49.9 McCain 43.3


At this rate, McCain will catch up around mid Dec.

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Basil:

Off topic, now we know why John McCain said you had to make more than 5 million dollars a year to be rich. Cindy's '07 tax return states she made 4.1 million last year.

Joe "The Plumber" she's not.

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cinnamonape:

"See sidebar article on Iraq agreement. Rice contacts Obama and Biden; Gates speaks to McCain. No one speaks to Palin. Shucks."

Well Palin has to rehearse for SNL! She's kind of busy ;-)

BTW I guess that this poll might mean that Obama has the Big MO?

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boomshak:

ZOGBY: MCCAIN SURGING POST DEBATE!

Pollster John Zogby said that while Obama's overall lead had remained relatively stable between 2 and 6 points in the 12 days since the poll started, the latest figures showed a bump for McCain following Wednesday's final presidential debate.

"Today was the first full sample post-debate and there's a clear indication that McCain is moving up," Zogby said.

He added that McCain's support among Republican voters appeared to be consolidating.


Maybe America doesn't care for Marxism after all?

Also, I am hearing from an inside source that there is OUTRAGE in OH over the SoS blatant attempt to allow voter fraud. Independent and Undecided voters there are incensed that this would be allowed to happen by a partisan Obama supporter.

Look for some serious blowback. If McCain is smart, he will pound this.

LAST POINT:
In a shoking development, Barack Obama's General Counsel has solicited the Attorneys General to appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate any Republicans who bring up voter fraud in association with ACORN in the coming weeks as an attempt to supress voting.

They are kidding right? ACORN is neck deep in this and Obama want the AG to prohibit anyone from saying anything about it?

Police State anyone?

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boomshak:

EVEN DAILY KOS TIGHTENING FAST:

DailyKos, with it's rediculous 26% Republican Sample is tightening fast as well. Down from a 12-13 point lead just days ago to a 7 point lead today.

With a realistic sample, this poll would be where the others are 2-4 point lead fopr Obozo and shrinking.

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TJIRISH34:

Give it up boom. I am voting early 10-23. BTW I want to mention this Joe "alleged" Plumber. Some people think he was a GOP Plant. I don't. It was a purely coincidential meeting in that Toledo neighborhood. However Joe Wurtz "the plumber" is being coy about his political views which I think he was advised to do by the GOP. Here's why: If you watch the video. Joe basically made his prescense emphatically. Ie... Obama was in crowd and Joe went right up to him asked that $250,000 small business tax question. So let me put this in perspective. If you were really pissed about Iraq war and Bush was campaigning in your neighborhood and you saw him. I would guess you might go up to him and ask about Iraq war. My whole point is news says Joe is related to Charles Keating and he admits he is registered Republican, believes in strong military etc... Joe is a Republican. That's why he went up to Obama and asked him that question. My problem with Joe is that he is portraying himself as this average undecided voter with questions. That's Bull. First of all in the video Obama answered Joe's question. Joe may not agree with his plan. Considering Obama out in the street. I thought Obama gave an explicit answer about the tax plan. Joe goes on ABC news and say's Obama tapped around the question like Sammi Davis Jr. I disagree with Joe. Obama did not tap around the question. In interview Joe goes on sounding like a GOP talking point. How Obama speaks well, but he doesn't say much, he has not had much time in congress etc... McCain camp called Joe before the debate. They didn't tell him he was going to be thrust in debate and I agree Joe didn't ask to be thrust in debate. But Joe is a Republican and that's fine. Joe out there trying portray himself as this non partisan guy and I think facts prove Joe is a partisan Republican. But it takes the sting out of his views if Joe is portrayed as such. As far as the tax question. I am sure the 5% plus people in this country that make over $250,000 a year are pleased... A guy making $40,000 plus a year is concerned that a 2 man business he might buy someday might make $250,000 a year and pay hire taxes. Here's my advice for Joe. Not to crush your American dream Joe! First you might want to pay that $1300 tax lien. Second before you buy that plumbing company you might wanna get a plumbing license. Enjoy your 15 minutes Joe.

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wagthedog1001:

Check out the pictures of today's (Saturday's) rally in St. Louis. Been nice knowin' ya'll John and whats-her-name.

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