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MS: Demographics and Vote by Race

Topics: 2008 , ARG , Barack Obama , Hillary Clinton , Insider Advantage , IVR , IVR Polls , Pollsters , Rasmussen

For those who will be watching results from the Mississippi primary tonight, here is a breakdown of the demographics of recent surveys as well as the tabulations of vote by race. First, the demographic composition and overall results:


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Obviously, we have far fewer polls (and pollsters) to consider than for last week's primaries in Texas and Ohio. Only three pollsters have been active in Mississippi -- ARG, Rasmussen and InsiderAdvantage -- and their reported demographic compositions have been reasonably consistent. ARG uses live interviewers, Rasmussen Reports uses an automated (IVR) methodology and InsiderAdvantage has used both in recent months but does not specify their methodology on their last two releases.

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The vote results by race are less consistent. All show Clinton with a wide lead among white votes and Obama with a wider lead among African-Americans, but the specific results -- particularly Obama's support among black voters -- have varied. Assuming that the networks conduct an exit poll tonight, we will see in a few hours how the results from that survey compare to those above.

Update: Rasmussen Reports emails with demographic composition numbers (thank you), so I updated the table above.

Update2: As jr886 points out in the comments, the folks at The Page are certainly expecting exit poll results.

 

Comments
Another Mike:

I'm predicting a blowout here and a 50/50 chance that Clinton concedes because of the enomority of her loss.

I project 55% black turnout at 90-10 split and 45% white turnout at 60-40 Clinton.

The numbers from that say 67.5-32.5, a 35 point disgrace for Clinton.

If you figure on 500,000 voters, Obama will gain 175,000 votes tonight! Incredible. He always beats the polls, just like he did last Tuesday. Tonight is going to be most excellent, yes!

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JMS:

Is it just me or did IA's internals chang quite a bit in just three days? Frankly, even 75% seems a bit low for Obama's AA support, but their second survey is more plausible based on everything else I've seen.
What's a good number for Obama with respect to the white vote? He got 24% in SC, so anything above the lower 30s would imply that he held that and took at least his share of the Edwards vote (if we assume that MS parallels SC). I don't remember what the internals were for Alabama, although personal experience suggests that MS is incrementally less bad than AL with respect to racial polarization.

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Steve:

Damn, these poll results make MS look like a race war. Sad...

I can understand Blacks voting for the very first viable black candidate (and this is a white guy saying this).

What I don't like is such a large majority of whites voting for Clinton. Anything more than 60-40 white vote for Clinton would indicate there are still significant race relation problems in MS.

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jr1886:

Here's what I said when IA released their first poll here /blogs/poll_insideradvantage_mississi.html

Nonsense, nonsense!! I hope IA don't publish a new poll before Mississippi so they can be ridiculed.

The deep south votes along racial line this primary cycle. In Mississippi, it will be no different. Here's one important fact to mull over: The AA population vote as a monolithic group in MS and they should be expected to make up 60% of the primary electorate because favorite son Obama is running.

Obama is poised to get 92% of the AA votes and will net 30% of White voters.


So crunching these numbers in using the amazing pollster.com spreadsheet, here's the predicted final result for MS:

AA making up 60%: Obama 92%-08%
White 36% : Clinton 70%-30%
Latino 04% :Clinton 67%-33% getting her usual share.

Result:

Barack Obama 67.3%

Hillary Clinton 32.7%

After rounding:

Obama 67%

Hillary 33%

Insider Advantage can copy these numbers for their pre-redemption poll!!

Well, it seems IA does just that two days later even though their numbers still underestimate Obama's likey margin of victory.

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Sacks Romana:

This looks to be an Obama blowout. Let's assume 55% AA and 45% white, with the vote going 85-15 Obama and 70-30 Clinton, respectively which seems very reasonable based on the above. That would give Obama 60.25% of the vote. That would give him roughly 20 delegates to 13 for Clinton, which is a larger differential than their ultimate counts from VT,RI,TX,RI. And that's a baseline. I think AA turnout will be a little more than 55%, plus Obama's been campaigning there in person strongly for the last several days, and has a superior GOTV apparatus.

@ Another Mike: I think there's a 0% chance of Clinton dropping out based on the MS results.

@ Steve: Yes, there are still significant race relation problems in MS and most of the country.

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michael:

Another Mike, that is a ridiculous prediction - you are predicting what you hope will happen, not something that is at all likely to happen.

Polls have Clinton pretty much where you'd be expect, slightly better than 40-60. As for 500,000 people showing up, Mississippi only has 3 million people. Arkansas, with a similar population (and a favorite daughter in Mrs. Clinton) had 300,000 show up.

Finally, Clinton knows she is losing in MS - she has purposely downplayed the state by sending Chelsea and Bill, not herself. Get a grip, man.

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jr1886:

Let's get real! Clinton would not drop out even if Obama wins 100% of the vote in Mississippi.

To Mark Blumenthal: yes, we will have exit poll later tonight to verify these assumptions above http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/11/exit-poll-as-magic-eight-ball/

Blacks will make 60% of the electorate, that's my best guesstimate.

I think Obama will win 19 delegates to 14 delegates for Clinton because the gerrymandering districts will prevent Obama from getting a higher share of delegates.

Final result tonight

Obama 67% for 19 delegates

clinton 33 for 14 delegates

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henry:

On getting that old bag out of the race, YES WE CAN!

I think the AA vote projections are way too conservative for our guy Obama. I would think 93-7 is closer to the mark and I would bet they get closer to 60% turnout, say 57%.

I think white people hate the Clitons more than they hate blacks, so I am making that a 55-45 split for the Clitons.

Based on my calculations, it's Obama 72 Cliton 28

She concedes or is forced out by Howard Dean by Friday after race baiting again in Mississippi like her campaign did vis a vis Chelsea, the White House Dog.

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henry:

I am sick and tired of the racist whites trying to sink our candidate! The black people have stood by our candidate, as they should, but white people seem to be slow to come around. If the white vote for Obama is not at least 50%, we should try to get Mississippi out of the country. Any state where he gets less than 50% of the white vote is a racist hell hole. Thems the facts fellow Dems!

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Day of Reckoning:

Without the racist whites and hispanics in Cali, Texas and Ohio, this race is long over. Billary is holding on due to racist bigots, who are old and uneducated adn cry because their jobs are all gone now due to NAFTA. Cry me a river you bums. Go back to mexico if you like racism so much hispanics. Get a real education, die already if your old and racist, and stop polluting our politics with your racist bigoted ways.

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Dale:

I think it is still slightly unpredictable. A major difference between the primaries in Louisiana and Alabama, for instance, in which Obama won handily, is that the Republican race was still ongoing. Now that McCain has clinched the nomination, you many see a sizable number of Republicans crossover and vote in the Democratic primary (we have no party registration in Mississippi), particularly in the 2nd and 4th Congressional districts where there is no contested Republican primary for Congress either. Many see Clinton as the weaker general election candidate (based on polling), and may well crossover to try to spring the upset. I'm one of the those who doesn't want to see Hillary as President, but one who just a little bit more doesn't want Obama as President!

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Anonymous:

Fellow Democrats,

I agree with most of your comments. Well, I agree with most of them excluding Day of Reckoning's comments. And, I will add that it is somewhat depressing to consider that we as a nation still struggle with the race issue. And, sadly, I think this election has resurfaced this issue.

Was this the ideology Bill Clinton's comments in SC? Was he trying to tap into some undercurrent of racism during his stomp in SC? Does he think that their is still a major rip between white and black America? Was he trying to manipulate this rip to his wife's advantage by stirring the "coals" of racism and thereby creating a coalition of white votes for his wife? You make the call.

Nonetheless,however, I find it very disturbing that the race relations issues still presist in the US. According to science, we are all one people. In fact, many experts belief that life originated on the continent of Afica and migrated westward. And, their is a lot of information available to support this claim. So, perhaps this nation should start looking for ways to find a common ground between the races. After all, with respect to science, we are probably more alike than we are different.

Besides, the alternative is really depressing.
That is, if the rip continues we will have Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons demanding an even opportunity or playing field for all america untill they die. And,coincidentally, if the voting demographics continue to support a rip between the races, they might have a real point.

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voter:

Fellow Democrats,

I agree with most of your comments. Well, I agree with most of them excluding Day of Reckoning's comments. And, I will add that it is somewhat depressing to consider that we as a nation still struggle with the race issue. And, sadly, I think this election has resurfaced this issue.

Was this the ideology Bill Clinton's comments in SC? Was he trying to tap into some undercurrent of racism during his stomp in SC? Does he think that their is still a major rip between white and black America? Was he trying to manipulate this rip to his wife's advantage by stirring the "coals" of racism and thereby creating a coalition of white votes for his wife? You make the call.

Nonetheless,however, I find it very disturbing that the race relations issues still presist in the US. According to science, we are all one people. In fact, many experts belief that life originated on the continent of Afica and migrated westward. And, their is a lot of information available to support this claim. So, perhaps this nation should start looking for ways to find a common ground between the races. After all, with respect to science, we are probably more alike than we are different.

Besides, the alternative is really depressing.
That is, if the rip continues we will have Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons demanding an even opportunity or playing field for all america untill they die. And,coincidentally, if the voting demographics continue to support a rip between the races, they might have a real point.

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Patrick :

Fellow Democrats,

Please explain why a 90-10 vote among Blacks for Obama is not racist and a 60-40 vote among white people is. Based on the expected numbers, it would appear that the white people are more evenly treating race, whereas black people refuse to support the white candidate. Why the double standard about race? Is every latino and white person who prefers Clinton a racist?? To read your posts, all of you, you would think that's the case. It's insulting and just plain wrong as a blanket statement.

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Jonus:

While racism is certainly a reality in America, I think it has been demonstrated over and over in this campaign season that sexism (even misogyny)is even more ubiquitous and accepted in our society. As Gloria Steinem, Geraline Ferraro and many others have pointed out, Obama (with just 1 year of Senate experience when he started running) most likely would have been laughed out of the race if he weren't black (to stand out against all the other men) and he certainly wouldn't have been taken seriously if he were a woman with so little experience. Hillary has been subjected to far more attacks based on her gender than Obama has based on his race. The reality is that many people do vote based on identity. That's why Obama overwhelmingly carries African American voters and Hillary has carried most women, esp. those over 45 who identify most strongly with her. To some extent, in many states, he has been marginalized as the 'black candidate'. That is why he's been unable to win the big, traditional, Democratic states. As for MS, with its huge black populace, I don't think anyone doesn't expect Obama to carry it easily. In fact, if he doesn't carry it by 20 pts or so, it would demonstrate a slowing of his support among non-black voters compared to similar states that have voted previously. But again, like SC (and so many of the states Obama has won), NO DEMOCRAT has carried MS for like 40 years, and NO DEMOCRAT WILL carry MS in the general election. But PA is a completely different story: like NY, NJ, MA, CA, FL, OH, and many of the other states Hillary won, the Dems DO need it to win the general election. That is Obama's current problem. While he has the lead in states and pledged delegates, she has more Democrat votes, possibly more votes total, and has won most all the big states that Dems need in Nov. That's why when she wins PA, FL, KY, WV, PR, likely MI and a few other states between now and June (and is behind only 60 or so pledged delegates), she will have a great argument to the superdelegates that she is more electable. And she will only need approx 500 of the 800+ superdelegates to get the nomination. Just wait and see.

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s.b.:

Is it just me or do people who do polling for a living find it funny when people just make up their own numbers too?

Clearly again this race is all about turnout.

I believe that all of these polling firms assume various % and make weighted adjustments for what they think will happen based on the last primary.

I believe this methodology is weak inthis cycle and that SUSA is more on themark because they let the screen decide who is going to turnout.

From reports out of Mississippi almost everyone is voting in the democratic primary. At one polling place 158 people had voted democrat 0 republican, at another 12 people had voted republican.

The question is are republicans voting in the dem primary or are they just not coming out?

If they are voting in the dem primary, and not staying home, the white voter percentage will go way up, so will Clinton's numbers.

Also I am interested to see if the exit poll is off from the actual numbers because I think it will be. I think there is massive pressure to support Obama there and either fear of saying you voted Clinton if you are black or resentment if you are white.

I think the exit poll will be off.

Just a thought.

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mike in ohio:

Mrs. Clinton will not concede even if Mr. Obama wins 105% of the vote. She will continue on to Denver, regardless of what anyone else tells her, and regardless of the impact on the Party or the election.

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Andrew S. in California:

Wait... its racist to vote that the general population of African Americans vote for Barak and not Hillary? Gah and here I thought Silly Season was over.

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Andrew S. in California:

Wait... its racist to vote that the general population of African Americans vote for Barak and not Hillary? Gah and here I thought Silly Season was over.

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jerrydenim:

JONUS,

Put down the Mark Penn crack pipe and try peppering your arguments with a little logic. Spin spin spin all you want about the implications of Clinton's narrow Democratic primary victories in the "big states" the last time I checked the real presidential election in November is going to be a Democrat vs. John McCain. A match up incidentally which Obama currently shows a very clear advantage over Clinton. Are you actually suggesting that Obama, whose negative ratings are much lower than Hillary's, would lose Democratic stronghold states like Massachusets in the general election? Are you serious with this crap?

Stop trying to delude yourself and any other unthinking persons out there who might be listening to your silliness. Be a man and face the reality that Obama is the stronger general election candidate and Hillary's only hope for the Dem nomination is to steal it, destroying the Democratic party and guranteeing 8 more years of Bush.

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Tomas:

Jonus,

You're dreaming pal and your message is mostly severely flawed. First of all, the line of argument that Hillary has won all the "big states" that the Dems need to win in the fall is ridiculous. Any Dem with a slight heartbeat will win CA, NY, NJ, MI, MA in the fall. The bigger point that you miss is that Obama is broadening the Democratic coalition across the country, including "red" states and this will help him govern, as down ticket Dems everywhere will benefit from his presence on the ballot, whether he wins those states in the fall or not. He puts way more states in play against McCain than Hillary does and energizes voters rather than dividing.

Also, "just wait and see?"...you better keep sleeping, because that is the biggest dream of all. If Hillary is within 60 pledged delegates when this thing is done, it will mean that she has stolen delegates because it is simply not going to happen legitimately. She will be no closer than she was one week ago after her big "wins" in OH and TX. That was the high point of her candidacy, if you can try to find one amidst all of the negativity and mismanagement.

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Jason:

soo by what im reading...its ok for the black people to stand behind their candidate at 100% but its racist for whites to stand behind their candidate 100%.... um wake up people... that is racisim.. just in the oppisite direction!!!

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John - Spokane, WA:

The very idea of a poll based on race is a feeder for racisist discussion. So if we dont vote for a candidate because he's African American, We're RACIST ? OR If you dont vote for a Woman Candidate then you Discriminate ? The idea that a person votes for an African American because they are AA or vote for a woman because shes a woman is INSANE. Has evryone in this Country lost their minds ? What about issues ?

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s.b.:

Early exit polls say that 30% of dem voters are not dem. 20% ind, 10% rep.

This is 10% higher than in any of these polls.

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John - Spokane, WA:

SB
Im sure thats correct, I was at the Caucus in Wash State and a precinct member actually compared Obama to REAGAN !! Most of us almost fell out of our chairs.. REAGAN !! Give me a break - NO TRUE DEM Makes that statement. Why dont these people start their own party like the "REPUBLICAN REJECT PARTY" ?
REAGAN, he said !!!!

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Bruce Moomaw:

CNN's exit polls of both voters under 30 and those over 65 both map nicely onto the similar polls of those groups in Texas to indicate an overall Obama win of 11 or 12 points today.

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John - Spokane, WA:


Bruce,

Obama will probably cover that spread in Miss but again, he netted sum total of two delegates over and above Hillary in Wyoming and in Miss it will probably be abt 7 or 8 delegates. In a race where both candidates are short, WYO & MISS are basically a moot point.

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s.b. - I think you're right - I bet pollsters get a hearty laugh out of the "creative" ways some people (probably including myself) interpret the numbers.

Mark B.,

I'm afraid posting about race has the kids a bit overstimulated. Maybe you should make the next few posts strictly technical - an in depth look at the history of the calculation of 'margin of error,' perhaps - until we settle down a notch.

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Anonymous:

>>an overall Obama win of 11 or 12 points today.

If so, Hillary "wins" the press on this one.

I'd guess the finals are closer to 65-35 though.

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Andrew:

Cries of racism have helped Obama receive nearly-unanimous support from African Americans, who feel victimized by any comment that comes out of Hillary Clinton's (or any of her "surrogates') mouth(s).

The turning point in this campaign came shortly before the SC vote, when a reverend and the media cried racism after Clinton said Obama's war position was a "fairy tale" and when she criticized Eisenhower for not doing enough for the civil rights movement, while praising Lyndon B. Johnson for doing a lot. That was, my friends, racist, somehow.

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John - Spokane, WA:


Andrew,

The idea that Hillary is racist is absurd! This reasoning of vote for Obama because the Country owes it to an African American is totally Stupid & ridiculus. We have the most important election in 30 or so years and RACE has to enter into it. Pleeease !!

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Jonus:

With regard to my earlier comments: I'm not saying that Obama wouldn't carry the big, traditionally Democratic states (e.g. CA, NY, NJ, MA, etc) that Hillary has won in the primaries. That is a general election issue. I'm talking about the primary season. And all I'm saying is that the fact that she has been winning all the big states that Dems need to win in Nov. this primary season (with the lone exception of IL so far), is part of a very good argument to the superdelegates who will decide the nomination. Remember, the superdelegates exercise independent judgement and always have. Otherwise, there'd be no reason for them to exist. So a senator, congressman, or governor from a state that went for Obama has just as much right to back Clinton as Teddy Kennedy or John Kerry have to back Obama (even though Hillary won MA by double digits). Her very best chance to capture the nomination is if she has not only the most Democratic votes (which she does and will), but the most total votes (i.e. the popular vote) by the time this ends. And with FL, PA and MI still to vote, there is a better than 50% chance she will. (A few networks already estimate she already has more total votes). Then she can say that despite Obama having more pledeged delegates as a result of winning more states (largely from caucuses in "Red" states and largely from Republican and Independent votes), but still not nearly enough to capture the nomination, the "will of the people" should prevail and she should get the nomination. And that is a very good argument. Again, just wait and see...

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Voter:

Mr. Patrick,

You are missing the point. Which is, race does matter to many people. But, I will address some of the issues that you outlined. Do I think that it is racist for whites to vote for HRC as opposed to blacks voting for BO? I think neither positions are racist in their simplest form. That is, I believe that the majority of blacks vote for BO because it is like a dream come true from most of them to have a black guy as a potential President. For instance, could you imagine how difficult it must be for black parents to tell their children that they can be anything that they desire but President of the US? I could not. So, I believe that many black americans feel as though this election has given them something to get excited about. And, I also believe this to be true of the majority of the white and black female voters that vote for HRC.

But, for example, with respect to the voting patterns and results in a state like Ohio, there is a difference that needs to be examined. That is, if you review the voting patterns of the ethnic groups according to income or education. The evidence suggests that the "low scaled whites" voted overwhelmingly for HRC. And, it has been well documented that racism is generally linked to proverty or a lack of education. And, guess what? The "low scaled whites" of Ohio fit that discription. And, I speculate, for the sake of argument, that if there was a majority of high scaled whites in Ohio, BO probably would have faired substantially better. So, race is playing a part in the election process. And, just maybe, the issue of race is an obstacle that can not be measured or overcomed.

Nonetheless, I have a question for you. What demographic sector is most influence by race? Would you care to speculate? I am not sure. But, I think it may be the "low scaled white and black communities". But for obvious reasons, this pattern will be more visible with the "low scaled white community". And, I believe the demographic voting patterns of the upcoming elections will support my theory.

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dee from NC:

I'm just now getting the poll # and I'm very disapponted in what I see it only show that there is still race problems mississipp and I love my white & black people im black my self and this is the first time in this election I have seen a race divided by race that's said. But then I think about all those white red states that made there point and voices heard for obama so no I'm not mad at the whites in miss. Becuase there have been many different races that's ready for change but I do see race different in miss he'll clinton supporters even said if obama wins there going for mccain even obama supporters said the same how can we ever come together at the end

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rev. g:

what just happened in Mississippi is a missied historic opportunity to transend race and gender. I'm sadden with Mississippi as a black man and preacher because of racism. We have supported every white president since President Kennedy. Why we have to be racist for voting for one of our sons. Many whites accepts our black Atheletes like mike, like tiger and bonds.Why not Barack? Moreover, some whites are intimidated with an intellectual political athelete. Barack play the game like a hard working athelete. God is allowing a son of the slaves who built this country for whom the sons of the slave master is now enjoying with great inherited assets. Its next to impossible to become economically equal. Bill Gates and Warren Buffett will never be economically touched. These men worked hard with some hinders, but the environment was favorable without the same hinders as Blacks.
yes he can,be a Great American President with or without any racism involved.

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John - Spokane, WA:


I dont know Dee,

Its not a race thing for me, I liked Alan Keyes but I must have been the only one. LOL - I cannot get behind Obama though, He has no real platform (Of his own I Mean). Im not a woman either but I will vote for one because she has 8 years as a Senator and 25 years as a Public Servant. That is how you EARN the right to be President and serve the people. Obama may grow into strong Presidential material - but he has growing to do.

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John - Spokane, WA:


Reverend,

With all due respect, all this slavery talk has nothing to do with the issues our Country faces today. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE IRISH WERE ENSLAVED IN LARGER NUMBERS THAN AFRICANS EVER WERE? And you what, Im Irish and the World OWES ME NOTHING FOR THAT - I dont carry an axe to grind with the English over something that happened 100 s of years ago. No African American in this Country today was ever a slave - Not even their parants. Slavery is a horrible thing but to carry that Vengence and pass it on to future generations will get nowhere. I think Obama may make a fine President in the future - but he's NOT READY YET, Racism has nothing to do with it.

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John - Spokane, WA:


Reverend,

With all due respect, all this slavery talk has nothing to do with the issues our Country faces today. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE IRISH WERE ENSLAVED IN LARGER NUMBERS THAN AFRICANS EVER WERE? And you what, Im Irish and the World OWES ME NOTHING FOR THAT - I dont carry an axe to grind with the English over something that happened 100 s of years ago. No African American in this Country today was ever a slave - Not even their parants. Slavery is a horrible thing but to carry that Vengence and pass it on to future generations will get nowhere. I think Obama may make a fine President in the future - but he's NOT READY YET, Racism has nothing to do with it.

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Voter:

Hey John,

I read your comments to the reverend. And, I disagree with your comparison. That is, there is no way that you can compare the harsh treatment of the negro slave to that of irish slaves. And, as history indicates, no group of americans were more brutally abused than the negro slaves. For instance, where your irish ancestors beaten beyond recognition, linched, and raped for decades? Where their children taken away from them and sold into slavery? I think you get my point.

Now, does that mean that black americans should have an axe to grind? Lets hope not. But, your comparison was ridiculous.

Additionally, I disagree with your assertion that BO is not ready to be President. In fact, he has served on the congressional level longer than HRC. This fact is documented. So, why is HRC more experienced
in your eyes? What has she done to support her claim? Can you point out any significant contributions that she has made in government? If you can, please do. I would like to know. But, I think their is little or no difference between HRC and BO in terms of real experience to be president of the US. However, if you are really referring to a co-presidency between HRC and Bill, you have a legitimate point. But, perhaps the truth is being overlooked. That is, no one has the job experience necessary to be president of the US. And, a few of our presidents in the past with the least of experience such as Abe Lincoln went on to become great presidents.

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Voter:

Hey John,

I read your comments to the reverend. And, I disagree with your comparison. That is, there is no way that you can compare the harsh treatment of the negro slave to that of irish slaves. And, as history indicates, no group of americans were more brutally abused than the negro slaves. For instance, where your irish ancestors beaten beyond recognition, linched, and raped for decades? Where their children taken away from them and sold into slavery? I think you get my point.

Now, does that mean that black americans should have an axe to grind? Lets hope not. But, your comparison was ridiculous. Moreover, you did not consider the stigmatism that is associated with darker skin color. That is, several independent studies have indicated that darker skinned people are treated less favorably than whites or lighter skinned people. And, coincidentally, this was found to be true in the US and abroad. So, I think there is a disadvantage to being black and a minority in america. In fact, I believe that our imperfect human natures dictate that the majority will be more concerned with the issues of the majority and less concern with the issues of the minority in most cases.

Additionally, I disagree with your assertion that BO is not ready to be President. In fact, he has served on the congressional level longer than HRC. This fact is documented. So, why is HRC more experienced
in your eyes? What has she done to support her claim? Can you point out any significant contributions that she has made in government? If you can, please do. I would like to know. But, I think their is little or no difference between HRC and BO in terms of real experience to be president of the US. However, if you are really referring to a co-presidency between HRC and Bill, you have a legitimate point. But, perhaps the truth is being overlooked. That is, no one has the job experience necessary to be president of the US. And, a few of our presidents in the past with the least of experience such as Abe Lincoln went on to become great presidents.

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observer:

If 91 percent Blacks vote for Obama, race and only race is their creterian. Inclusion of their opinion on
topics such as character, trustworthiness, electability in any general survey has no validity

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observer:

If 91 percent Blacks vote for Obama, race and only race is their creterian. Inclusion of their opinion on
topics such as character, trustworthiness, electability in any general survey has no validity

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Anonymous:

if race and only race were the reason blacks voted for Barack,then why didn't blacks vote for Allen Keys,Corrol Mosey Braun, Al Sharpton in the same way they voted for Barack. To pretend that blacks vote thier race only, you would have to forget every vote they have made for white presidents since they have had the right to vote.

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Brian :

if race and only race were the reason blacks voted for Barack,then why didn't blacks vote for Allen Keys,Corrol Mosey Braun, Al Sharpton in the same way they voted for Barack. To pretend that blacks vote thier race only, you would have to forget every vote they have made for white presidents since they have had the right to vote.

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John - Spokane, WA:


TO Voter

(Who doesnt want to ID himself)

Your totally wrong about Irish Slavery rebutal - Everything you mentioned & MORE Did happen to the IRISH and for a longer period of time ! Why dont you Google History of Irish Slavery, you may learn something. 2/3 of the Irish population was eliminated because of it - So your downplay argument doesn't work.
MY POINT OF ALL OF THIS THAT, the idea that we in this Country should be voting for an AA as President just because we've never had one is pathetic and shows how shallow people can become. Ask yourself this question, IF Obama were a White man with the same Platform, Charisma & excitement, Do you think AA's in say Alabama, Miss & Georgia would vote for him by the tune of 8 or 9 of every 10 ? Be honest with yourself when you answer that. This is not a racial comment but a valid point.

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John - Spokane, WA:


TO Voter

(Who doesnt want to ID himself)

Your totally wrong about Irish Slavery rebutal - Everything you mentioned & MORE Did happen to the IRISH and for a longer period of time ! Why dont you Google History of Irish Slavery, you may learn something. 2/3 of the Irish population was eliminated because of it - So your downplay argument doesn't work.
MY POINT OF ALL OF THIS THAT, the idea that we in this Country should be voting for an AA as President just because we've never had one is pathetic and shows how shallow people can become. Ask yourself this question, IF Obama were a White man with the same Platform, Charisma & excitement, Do you think AA's in say Alabama, Miss & Georgia would vote for him by the tune of 8 or 9 of every 10 ? Be honest with yourself when you answer that. This is not a racial comment but a valid point.

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