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ND: McCain 47, Obama 46 (DailyKos-10/28-29)

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DailyKos.com (D) / Research 2000
10/28-29/08; 500 LV, 4.5%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

North Dakota
McCain 47, Obama 46

 

Comments
kerrchdavis:

hmm...

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WillPearson:

wow.

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Trosen:

youch.. Well.. Obama can actually win these states.. because he does have some semblance of a GOTV apparatus in these states, while McCain can't really afford any. The GOP will have to rely on local and state GOP GOTV efforts to hold them.

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Monte from PA:

OMFG COME ON NORTH DAKOTA WE LOVE YOU. YOU DONT CARE ABOUT PORK BARREL SPENDING YOU WANT CHANGE.

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NeutralNick:

Whats the surprise, obama has been ahead by 3 points in north dakota, though I doubt they are panicking about this poll.

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liz from NJ:

folks,

Now, it's only three days.

how about some fun and games?

How about a betting game without a bet?

*** what's your guess for Obama EV?
*** what's your top pick for a surprise upset on either for Obama or McCain?

My guess: EV: 390.
Suprise upset for Obama: Georgia

Any guess?

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NW Patrick:

North Dakota UTU (D) 10/13 - 10/14 504 LV 41 44 Obama +3
Forum Poll/MSUM 10/06 - 10/08 600 LV 43 45 Obama +2

Neutral Nick the last Rsrch 2000 poll was a tie, all within the margin of error on this one. The fact is a DEMOCRAT is literally tied in NORTH DAKOTA. It says wonders for the elecorate around more moderate areas of the country like Colorado.

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mago:

Well, GA is yellow on the map...how big a surprise would it be?

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Ok Liz I'll play

:)

Obama: 285 EV
Surprise upset for McCain: PA

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ctj:

Apparently McCain's new attack comes from something Obama said in Iowa today that his faith in the American people is "vindicated". Now let me tell you I am going to lose sleep that Obama said that- LOL! I would like to see McCain go one day on the trail and not make a fool of himself.

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RaleighNC:

How much $$$ is Axelrod's boy paying DailyKos (DAILYKOS!) to pretend it's going to be a landslide? This is just hilarious.

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political_junki:

@Monte from PA:
Where in PA do you live? What is the feeling do you have about the polls? Is PA in the bag or is it too close now?

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NeutralNick:

That's true, but its been this close there for all this election cycle.

With hillary's mountain state magic, obama might be ahead in more of these mountain states, but possibly not doing as well in others he is winning.

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RightAsRain:

Obama needs to get to ND immediately. He should spend the weekend there.

Obama: 257 EV

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liz from NJ:

mago,

thought GA is yellow on this map. Pollster.com is very much in the minority among the poll aggregation sites to note GA as yellow. Also, joined the "toss up" rank very late/recently even in this site.

It was never considered "in play" all throughout the election cycle until very lately, and even so, only by a few poll aggregators.

Winning GA will be considered a major upset for McCain. Don't you think?

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Dave Barnes:

I think that McCain should panic.
Six (6) weeks ago, he was ahead by an average of 12 points.
Now, it is one (1).
With the same pollster.
If Barack dropped that fast in a state, we would all be pooping in our pants.

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NW Patrick:

Umm Nuetral Nick.

Research 2000 09/16 - 09/17 500 LV 53 40 McCain +13

McCain has LOST 12 points off his ND lead in approx. 45 days.

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DecaturMark:

Upset: Obama takes LA
EVs 407

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tar_heel:

The marginal BG states are coming back to McCain. Obama's task is simple: win two out of VA, PA, OH, NC, FL. Game, set, and match.

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mysticlaker:

Hmmmm RaleighNC has a familiarity to it...Where I have heard this attitude for from NC?

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ErnieLynch:

My pick: Obama 362

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political_junki:

Look at these amazing pictures from GA early voting!
http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/metro/early-voting-1029/2.html

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NW Patrick:

306-232 Obama wins.

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ErnieLynch:

Sorry upset: Obama Missouri

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ctj:

STOP WORRYING ABOUT PA!!! I said this earlier today, If Obama wins Philadelphia by more than 500,000 votes (which is a 90% certainty) it becomes almost impossible for McCain to win the state. In order to do so he would need a 70-30 total everywhere else (excluding Pittsburgh) and that just isn't going to happen. I should also point out that John Kerry UNDERPERFORMED his # in PA and still won the state by 3 points.

KEEP THE FAITH PA STAYS BLUE!

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abraxaf:

RaleighNC, you're in denial. Daily Kos is just paying Research 2000 to do polls, they're not making up the methodology or anything. Research 2000 was one of the most accurate state pollsters in 2004 along with Rasmussen, look it up.

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Christian:

375 EV's

Upset: AZ

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ErnieLynch:

For everone worried about PA go here

http://www.muhlenberg.edu/studorgs/polling/

Does that graph look like a loser for Obama?

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maddiekat:

Right As Rain

Are you not missing the Hannity radio show right now? Run along and drink your koolaid!

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NW Patrick:

I also read McCain would have to win 25% of Dems to win PA. 25% of DEMS! LOL Good luck with that.

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Am I the only one who gets the feeling that with this early voting its like Democrats are voting on one day and Republicans are voting on another day? I'm confident that Obama will win the election but seeing these pictures of early voting doesn't impress me very much. I just think of it as the Democrats are voting first and then the Republicans will vote next.

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lhtk:

The polls we're seeing today AT MOST included only one day (yesterday) after the infomercial. We've got to feel quite good about these numbers.

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NW Patrick:

Working class maybe so except traditionally early voting ALWAYS favors Republicans. So why would they be waiting this year? Logically?:)

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political_junki:

ctj:
Well in that case it is a done deal. With PA Obama will win 100% (Look at PPP's polls and early votes of western states NV+NM+CO in the bag)... FL+VA+NC+OH will be just the icing on the cake :-)

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Nhoj:

to anyone acting surprised cause nd should be safe red you probably dont know much about nd political history it is/has always been a populist state it has a long history of opposition to wars due to where most of its population originated from[norwegians and german russians leaving europe to avoid mandatory conscription laws in their home countries and its likely been passed on to the younger generations to an extent.

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MatCauthon:

CNN just turned ND yellow and AZ pink

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NW Patrick:

I'm not sure about the marginal states coming back to McCain comment. Ohio hasn't had 1 poll showing even a tie or small McCain lead in almost two weeks. Obama is up on average over 5% there. FL hasn't seen a McCain polling lead in a while either.

My prediction for the EV didn't even include FL or OH.

Obama WILL WIN VA, NV, CO, NM, IA and all Kerry states for 306 EV's. This is my worst case.

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NW Patrick

Because the Republicans aren't as fired up this year. Whereas the Democrats have been practicing Kama and are so ready to blow their load. More than a few got it off early. I don't think this translates to a non-voting Republican party. I just think they might be more subdued and will still vote like loyal lemmings on election day, instead of early. Still think Obama will win the election though.

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mago:

@liz:

You're right, GA is still quite red on 538; and of course it's true that a lot of people were skeptical when Obama listed it as a target state way back in the summer.

If GA is fair game, then absolutely, it's my surprise pick too. If required to list something pink or red here, I'd go AZ.

My EV pick is 390.

@ Raleigh:
The poll was conducted by R2K, which has no partisan affiliation. Kos doesn't conduct polls, surely you know that.

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NW Patrick:

Nhoj when was the last time ND voted for a DEM with their "independent" streak?

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ctj:

I think Obama will win PA,OH,and VA.
I think McCain will win MO, GA, and IN

The 2 I am not sure about are FL and NC I am just not sold on this early voting yet-

FL- The problem for Obama is his is not going to win squat north of Orlando and I just don't know if there are enough votes in South Florida to get him over the top. One thing to watch THE HISPANIC VOTE- if Obama can break even and break the stranglehold on the cuban american vote he has a shot.


NC- this is the state that gave us Jesse Helms so I am not yet sold on the reasearch yuppies and african americans being able to outnumber the me, my bible, and my shotgun crowd just yet. Maybe by the next cycle.

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RightAsRain:

maddiekat:

Right As Rain

Are you not missing the Hannity radio show right now? Run along and drink your koolaid!

Right, we should only talk to people that agree with us.

I'm not even sure I'm happy about how this is going to turn out, but I firmly believe that PA, VA, and OH will go to McCain. I grew up in NE Ohio and I've talked to a lot of people back there. Obama is in for a shock come election day.

It's easy to look at the latest Gallup and say it's over, but two days ago, it was a different picture. An AP poll suggests that 1/7 are persuadable. It's not over.

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bclintonk:

Obama: 367 EV
Obama wins all Kerry states (252 EV) plus:
IA 7
NM 5
CO 9
NV 5
VA 13
NC 15
FL 27
OH 20
MO 11
ND 3

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pbcrunch:

ABC Tracker:

O 53 (+1)
M 44 (nc)

I'm feeling, like McCain's team, really jazzed up about today's numbers. Except I'm rooting for Obama and live in a reality-based reality.

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BrookLynda:

Liz! I'll play:

O: 298

M: 240

Surprise: McPlanecrash takes VA.

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Thatcher:

@pbcrunch - All right!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/politics/polls/?nid%3Droll_polls&sub=AR

50% say that McCain's gone too far criticizing Obama
24% say that Obama's gone too far criticizing McCain

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BridgeportJoe:

Am I the only one who gets the feeling that with this early voting its like Democrats are voting on one day and Republicans are voting on another day? I'm confident that Obama will win the election but seeing these pictures of early voting doesn't impress me very much. I just think of it as the Democrats are voting first and then the Republicans will vote next.

There probably is some truth to this, BUT (and it's a big but)...

First, so what? A Democratic vote today is worth more than a Democratic voter waiting until Tuesday -- there is always a chance that something comes up and they don't go to the polls. So even if the vast majority of early voting Democrats would have voted on election day, not all of them would have. And more votes is better than less.

Second, an open voting window is a great tool for the Obama campaign to get reluctant voters to the polls. It's hard to target voters over a two week period to make sure that they show up on precisely one day. It's much easier to call a voter on Monday and say "go vote tomorrow," then on Wednesday an say "did you vote yesterday? No? Go vote tomorrow," etc. etc. This will help get out sporadic and less committed voters, a significant number of them wouldn't have voted if they had to show up on a particular day.

Third, if early voting totals are high and unfavorable to a particular party, they'll shift resources. This is what has happened in Colorado. That helps the other party leverage the early voting into real electoral gains.

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thoughtful:

@liz from NJ

I called 390 EVs before the conventions, I amended about a month ago to 390+EVs about a month ago.

I see no reason to change that - guess what Georgia is 15 of the EVs.

Final total EVs is completely dependent on the ground game and particularly how effective the Obama campaign is at GOTV 18-29 and their over 60s.

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Thatcher:

More from WaPo

At 46 percent, Obama's overall support among whites is numerically his best of the campaign, and the best for a Democrat in exit polls since Jimmy Carter in 1976 (although Ross Perot deflated Bill Clinton's tally in 1992 and 1996).

Among other groups, Obama leads McCain by 13 points among women, 55-42 percent, similar to Al Gore's 11-point margin among women in 2000.

The difference is that Gore lost men by 11 points, while today they divide by a scant 3 points, 49-46 percent, Obama-McCain. Obama's losing white men by 9 points – but, as noted, Kerry lost them by 25, Gore by 24.

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jamesia:

ctj:

The Cuban American National Foundation endorsed Obama a few days ago. That will pull a significant vote to Obama from McCain.

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NW Patrick:

ABC Daily Tracking Poll: Barack Obama Leads John McCain in Tone; Economy's His Main Boost
Obama Leads McCain 53-44 in Latest ABC News/Washington Post Poll

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MN_4_Obama:

Nhoj,

I think people are talking about ND voting history after, say, the 1960s. So, it would be a surprise if the state went with O's "populism" over, say, Palin's.

I don't think ND has gone Democratic since Reagan's first election, at least.

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Adam:

My pick: O 291, M 247

Predicted surprise: McCain pulls out OH & FL.

(Yes, I'm being cautious. I feel better about the western states than FL and the lower midwest.)

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jeric:

Meh, not expecting many surprises.

Obama: 326
McCain: 212

Surprises: Obama gets North Carolina - but Florida stays red thanks to the remains of Bush's famous 72-hour GOTV effort.

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zen:

ABC Wapo daily tracking poll (OCT 31)

Obama 53, Maccain 44

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MNLatteLiberal:

I am greedy, so my surprise is AZ. I have faith in dwarfs when they get angry.

And as long as we are making wishes, over 400. Obama takes all the current swing states, save for ND/MT, but ekes out Arizona. Indiana is a cliffhanger, but what the hay, let's give it to Obama as well. I am too lazy to add that all up, but that seems to be a hair over 400. Mandate, baby, mandate :)

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zen:

ABC Wapo daily tracking poll (OCT 31)

Obama 53, Maccain 44

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Adam:

@political_junki:

Thanks for the AJC link with the photos. That's amazing. Most of the people look happy to be there.

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straight talk:

My suprise upset for McCain is: TEXAS! It is not being reported, but the AA are flooding the polls and the youth! Plus we have a large hispanic community in Tx!

THe reason I know is because I just left the voting booth!

I want to see some more polls, but I am telling you that is the sleeper! If I am not mistaking the last poll had OBama down 9 here. His voters are just energize!

ANd one more thing! I only saw OBama supporters there passing out flyers there!

For the first time in a long time considering my voting record, I cast my ballot for BARACK OBAMA!

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BridgeportJoe:

I guess I'll play. Obama wins the Kerry states plus: VA, FL, IA, CO, NM, NV. McCain holds serve in OH, NC, IN, MO, ND, MT and AZ. That makes what, Obama by 318-220?

Surprise: No electoral state surprises, but Obama wins all of the above except Florida comfortably, and he wins the popular vote by an unexpectedly high 54-43 margin.

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BrookLynda:

liz from NJ:
*** what's your guess for Obama EV?
*** what's your top pick for a surprise upset on either for Obama or McCain?

O: 298

M: 240

Surprise: McPlanecrash takes VA.

Lemme explain:

Obama takes all the states now blue on Pollster except VA.

McCain takes ALL the red and yellow states.

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PostModernProphet:

I think that it's worth noting that comments such as "I talked to some people I know back there" do NOT represent anything even remotely close to an "adequate sample size", nor does it capture the mood, or essence, of a voting electorate of a particular geographic region.

We can talk about how open-minded we are...but the truth of the matter is...we tend to associate with people who share similar views, beliefs, social backgrounds, etc. If some pollster polled 25 people he knew from "back home" we would...well...we all know what we would say.

I mentioned in a previous post that one can never under-estimate the power of human rationalization. "Talking to some people from back home" is not a convincing way to gauge the mood, or direction, of an electorate. On the other hand, I just talked to my two neighbors who are voting for Obama...so...I take back everything I just wrote...it's in the bag!

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thoughtful:

@BridgeportJoe

If Obama wins pop vote 54-43 then it will be well over 400 EVs

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mysticlaker:

I am all in at 378-160.

I almost feel like I am being cautious.

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DecaturMark:

@BridgeportJoe:

"Surprise: No electoral state surprises, but Obama wins all of the above except Florida comfortably, and he wins the popular vote by an unexpectedly high 54-43 margin."

If Obama wins with that popular vote margin, you are talking 450+ EVs. I think Obama wins 52-45 pop vote. With EV around 407-415

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Adam:

@BridgeportJoe: that's exactly the scenario I envision, except I gave FL to McCain.

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jamesia:

straight talk:

I too think Texas will be close -- maybe Obama's too!

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

I am going super cautious on this one and say that IF Obama wins it will be 278 to 260. The 3 western states will be the ones that come through if all else fails.

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Inkan1969:

I'll play

OBAMA: 378 ELECTORAL VOTES

DEEP BLUE STATES: (20% or more)

VT, MA, RI, NY, DE, DC, MD, IL, HI

BLUE STATES: (10%-20%)

ME(1,2 cd), CT, NJ, MI, MN, CA, OR, WA

LIGHT BLUE STATES: (0% to 10%)

Kerry battleground states:
NH, PA, WI
Obama Firewall:
VA, IA, CO, NM, NV
Obama Landslide
NC, FL, OH, IN, MO, ND

===============================================

MCCAIN: 160 Electoral Votes

LIGHT RED STATES: (-10% to 0%)

SC, MS, WV, TX, SD

Possible Obama Landslide:
GA, NE(1,2 cd) MT, AZ

RED STATES: (-20% to -10%)

TN, KY, AR, LA, KS, AK

DEEP RED STATES: (More than -20%)

AL, NE(3 cd), OK, WY, UT, ID

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mirrorball:

Sorry if this has been posted here before, but I just came across this pro-Obama video via Politico and couldn't help but share. It's a sort of parody of those Budweiser "wazzzup!" commercials. Same actors. Hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE

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RightAsRain:

@ PostModernProphet:
It's not that simple. The sad truth is, there is a lot of racism in that part of the country. It is not a good thing and its not something you admit to a pollster. It's not how I want to see McCain win. In fact, I think an Obama presidency would be an uplifting event for this country that could go a long way to minimizing that racism. If it weren't for the disaster of one-party rule, I probably would have voted for him. But wanting something to be doesn't make it happen. OH, PA, and VA will go to McCain.
Both sides have admitted that their internal polling is closer than the public polls. Depending on which poll you're looking at, closer makes it a tie. An AP poll out today has 1 in 7 still being up in the air.
Supposing I'm right, and the three states go to McCain, we're all heading back to Florida!

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straight talk:

Our internal polling is saying that Tx is closer than what the polls are showing! lol
Obama Campaign 08

O and Obama is running ads in Tx. Texas would be the ultimate shocker!

McCain better hire karl Rove and GOTV!

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Pat:

@liz from NJ

Obama 359
Obama wins all Kerry states (252 EV) plus:
IA 7
NM 5
CO 9
NV 5
VA 13
NC 15
MO 11
FL 27
GA 15

Obama Surprise - GA
MC Surprise - OH

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Nhoj:

im not saying they will vote dem im just saying its possible due to north Dakota liking ag subsidies and maybe being somewhat more antiwar then one would think.
however north dakota does have a very long history of voting republicans however they had ones who were populist antiwar republicans that weren't fond of getting into either world wars. it also has some history of socialism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_Partisan_League but that was in the 20s and 30s mostly and their entire delegation to congress are dems. i think you could say north dakota is somewhat similar to the prairie provinces of canada. anyways im just saying its likely more favorable to dems then most other supposedly red states in the plains not saying obama will pull it off.

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MichaelJason:

I am going to be bold. Obama wins 381 electoral votes. That includes the Kerry states, plus NV, NM, CO, MT,ND, IA, MO, IN, OH, VA, NC, and FL. The tides are turning and in a year like this, the states in play always go to the "challenger".

I'll go even further and say that if the popular vote exceeds 5%, Obama wins AZ, LA and GA for a total EV of 415.

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PostModernProphet:

I live in Pittsburgh and am happy to report that Obama had nearly 20,000 people standing in the rain, with 40 degree temperature for over 5 hours on Monday at his rally at Mellon arena...

I am in NO way suggesting that racism does not exist here, or anywhere else. However, what I am suggesting is that even if there is a 3-5% "Bradley effect"....Obama can still win PA with an overwhelming margin in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh...as another poster brought up.

Here's some food for thought....some talk has been going on about a "reverse" Bradley effect. What about supposedly stalwary Republican voters who secretly harbor the desire to vote for Obama...but can't admit that to their racist friends, GOP family, etc. I think that there is a small number of people out there who are going to vote for OBama and not admit it. Racism is a powerful thing....but so is the power of money....and people are VERY concerned about the economy in this part of the nation....and everywhere else.

Perhaps some of these people will realize that GREEN is the only color that matters....

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PostModernProphet:

For the record...the people were standing in line waiting to get in...obviously the rally was indoors. Just in case anyone was wondering...

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RightAsRain:

Prophet, I sincerely hope you're right and everyone votes for the right reason. If they're voting because of the power of money, they should be voting for McCain and not the guy that's going to tax the people that create jobs.

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mrzookie:

EV:
Obama/Biden (Democratic:Liberal)306
Kerry + CO,IA,OH,NM,VA

McCain/Palin (Republican't:Conserviturd) 232

Surprise: There won't be one.

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lhtk:

Since I can see no reason to make a final prediction until the final polls Mon-Tue, this will be a "provisional" prediction only, subject to change. So since I'm feeling pretty good right now . . .

Obama wins Kerry states + VA, NC, GA, FL, OH, IN, IA, MO, ND, MT, CO, NM & NV. I think that's everything. Anyway, my nice interactive map I've made at http://www.270towin.com/ add up to 396 EVs for Obama. Of the non-Kerrys I've listed, I'm probably least confident about GA.

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Vercingetorix:

Result: Obama to win 42 states and 471 EVs

Surprise: AK, TX, OK, ID, WY, UT, NE and KS immediately secede and their place in the Union is taken by 8 of the 10 Canadian provinces.

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JerryTheAngel:

I don't care what the margin is. As long as Senator Obama gets 270, I will be ecstatic. The Supreme court won't care if he gets 270 or 350.

"All you gotta do is win baby"

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radmod:

ND last went for a Dem in 1964. Also for Roosevelt in 32 and 36 and Wilson in 12 and 16.
In 2004, it was 2-1 in favor of Bush.

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radmod:

I really think it will be either very close (277 to 286 for Obama) or a blowout for Obama with AK as the surprise.

However, if put on the spot I will say 338 for Obama.

Surprise: None

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WhereisMitt:

My turn

O: 322
M: 216

O loses Florida and North Carolina in tight races, but wins Virginia, wins Ohio.

No surprises but Ron Paul & Bob Barr make Montana close.

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Limeywonk:

This comes from Europe so is clearly unbiased! Obama ev 367. Surprise Indiana. It says everything about this race that Virginia, North Carolina etc don't really count as surprises anymore. And just to prove how balanced and unbiased this post is...laaaaaaaaaaaandslide

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Jeff:

318EV Obama.

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PostModernProphet:

I have been playing around with the Electoral Map provided by CNN and I have come up with some interesting scenarios...all of which have McCain pulling off some miraculous upsets in BG states...and Obama still winning the election. Here are some of the scenarios:

1. McCain wins: PA,VA,NC,FL,IN,IA,MO
Obama holds onto: CO, NM, NV, and OH
Result: Obama 270 - McCain 268

2. McCain wins: OH,PA,VA,NC,IN,IA,MO,NV
Obama holds: CO,NM,FL
Result: Obama 272 - McCain 266

3. McCain wins: PA,OH,FL,IN,MO,CO,NV
Obama holds: VA,NC,IA,NM
Result: Obama 271 - McCain 267

Let us suppose that the states that are supposedly "trending" McCain according to the mysterious "internal polls" of the GOP, which as of now include Florida, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio, North Carolina, and Missouri. Let us suspend the powers of disbelief once more and assume that McCain wins ALL of these states. We will then assume that Obama holds onto the states in which his lead appears to have solidified...which are: Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, and Iowa.

The result: Obama 270 - McCain 268

Think about this for a moment....McCain can pull off the unthinkable...winning Florida, Ohio, AND Pennsylvania.....and still LOSE the election with Obama holding onto states where most polls show him with a near double-digit lead, or at least a lead that has been remarkably stable over most polls for quite some time.

I dont know about the rest of you nervous Liberals....but this breakdown made me feel A LOT better. With all of that being said, my prediction for the final state-by-state electoral breakdown:

Obama: Kerry + IA,OH,VA,NC,FL,CO,NM,NV, and the electoral upset GA!

Final Result: Obama 368 - McCain 160

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PostModernProphet:

that should read: Obama 368 - McCain 170

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green baby green:

My guess is 378. My upsets (if they are that) are IN & ND...

And I will bet AZ is won by only a few points by JM...

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green baby green:

My guess is 389. My upsets (if they are that) are IN & ND...

And I will bet AZ is won by only a few points by JM...

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MancJon:

@liz from NJ:

My prediction, is Obama: 379 - Upset, Georgia (D).

Hoping that I can get a not too late night here in the UK on Tuesday, when Virginia, NC, Georgia go blue. OK, I'm not expecting all three, by any means, but I can hope!

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common sense:

Ok folks : I actually lived for a year in North Dakota - Bismarck to be exact. This was in 1975. My landlady told me how she wished they had more Negroes around those parts and less Indians. She and her husband had visited a relative in the South and were impressed by how neat and orderly the black neighborhoods were. Unlike those drunken Sioux. My point is that Racism is a relative concept. Elections in North Dakota should factor in a possible 'Crazy Horse' effect. Bonus Question (win a Reagan jellybean) : What is the State Tree of North Dakota?

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