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NV: 2010 Sen (Mason-Dixon 5/10-11)

Topics: nevada , poll

Mason-Dixon for the Las Vegas Review-Journal
5/10-11/10; 500 likely Republican primary voters, 4.5% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(LVRJ release)

Nevada

2010 Senate: Republican Primary
30% Lowden, 25% Angle, 22% Tarkanian, 3% Chachas, 2% Christensen (trend)

 

Comments
Farleftandproud:

I am going to pay my dental bills with an oven stuffer roaster.

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CHRIS MERKEY:

Darn I really hope she wins. She seems like an easier target than the rest of them. I would like to see a general election poll. I haven't seen one in weeks for NV.

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Paleo:

A Democratic poll has Reid ahead of Lowden.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/chickencare-hurting-lowden-new-dem-poll-has-her-trailing-reid.php

Reid has to still be considered the underdog, but things are beginning to look better for him.

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Farleftandproud:

Actually I hope Angle doesn't get the nomination because he or she has the greater political experience. Tarkanian is just another rich boy who wants to buy his way into office.

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rdw4potus:

"Farleftandproud:

Actually I hope Angle doesn't get the nomination because he or she has the greater political experience. Tarkanian is just another rich boy who wants to buy his way into office."


Sharron Angle is a woman. I found that out in 5 seconds on Google. You didn't have 5 seconds available to look that up before FLAPping your mouth?

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Farleftandproud:

rdw4potus:
You don't have to be so rude my gosh....I don't have time to Google everything. It isn't like I know Nevada politics that well. I didn't say anything mean about her other than the fact she might be a tougher candidate to beat than Lowden.

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bonncaruso:

How about an appendectomy for a couple of yaks?

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tjampel:

The nice thing (for opponents) about someone like Sue Lowden is that, no matter how well-intended were her barter remarks and how badly they may have been taken out of context (and both sides have gotten in the act, BTW, Tarkanian's been running Ads on this), so long as you have a candidate that the butt of late night talk show hosts it's going to be hard for some voters to take her seriously. Maybe it will affect just 5-6% of them but, in this race, where I see the Republican with a 5-6 point advantage against Reid, coming down to the wire, that's enough. Looks like those people are already abandoning her in the primary.

With Sue Lowden the nominee Reid already has a "bird(brain) in the hand" so, no need to go seeking "2 in the bush"

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Field Marshal:

This is the kind of misinformation that is prevalent on the left. When she said "barter" with your doctor, she was talking about when paying cash, getting the doctor to reduce the bill. Not about giving a goat in exchange for bloodwork.

The comment makes a lot of sense and i have known people who did it when paying out of an HSA. If everyone paid out of an HSA, health care costs would be much lower today.

Sue will take down Reid very easily, IMO. Reid is a dolt who is similar to Biden in both public gaffes and lack of intellect.

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rdw4potus:

Field Marshall,

Here is Lowden's exact quote:
"I’m telling you that this works. You know, before we all started having health care, in the olden days our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor, they would say I’ll paint your house. I mean, that’s the old days of what people would do to get health care with your doctors. Doctors are very sympathetic people."

Are you SURE it's the left that's misinterpreting it? She specifically mentions chickens and painting in the quote...

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Field Marshal:

"I would have also allowed for us to have savings plans increase instead of being decreased like in this bill. I would have said to all of you, if you have a health savings account, I don't really care how much you save, good for you. pre-tax, go ahead and save as much as you want. It's your -- it's for your health. And if you want to save $20,000, good for you. Save it pre-tax. And I would have suggested, and I think that bartering is really good. Those doctors who you pay cash, you can barter, and that would get prices down in a hurry. And I would say go out, go ahead out and pay cash for whatever your medical needs are, and go ahead and barter with your doctor. Let's change the system and talk about what the possibilities are. I'm telling you that this works. You know, before we all started having health care, in the olden days, our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor. They would say I'll paint your house," she said. "[That's] what people would do to get health care with their doctors. Doctors are very sympathetic people."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_1U4r8mWXY

How was stating a fact from many years ago the same as advocating that she wants people to barter using chickens today. She was clearly saying that many decades ago, people paid out of pocket and sometimes with other goods. That's why she wants people to haggle when paying out of pocket.

See the difference? I don't think its very difficult.

The whole thing was a pathetic attempt by Harry Reid to mock her for an actual good idea and because he knows he will be mocked to high heaven this fall for the numerous things he has said as well as his lack of leadership.

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Gopherguy:

FM,

HSAs are fine if you're a fairly healthy individual. They could also help lower costs, but if you're a chronically ill person or need expensive treatment, HSAs don't work very well. If you're old, HSAs also don't work for you because you don't have a lot of time to build them up. But, if you're a fairly healthy person who only needs basic coverage every year, then yes, HSAs work fine.

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Field Marshal:

I would agree with that Gopher. Its too late for people over say 50 or 55 to use HSAs. I would disagree with the chronic condition since many HSAs kick in around $6-$10k and carry exemptions for chronic diseases whereby the patient doesn't have to pay the deductible each year for the same illness.

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Paleo:

She used the word "barter." She brought up the chicken example. What doctor in today's world is going to accept less than full payment as part of a bartering deal? I'll wash your car if you reduce your fee? Don't think so. This is what happens when you have non-reality based ideological mindset.

Now many doctors will treat senior citizens and accept what Medicare reimburses them without going after the patient for the rest. But that's not bartering.

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Field Marshal:

She used the word barter as in negotiate. Did you not read the entire quote? Where in it did she suggest that people today exchange chickens for health care? She was clearly talking about negotiating a lower price when paying cash.

"Those doctors who you pay cash, you can barter, and that would get prices down in a hurry. And I would say go out, go ahead out and pay cash for whatever your medical needs are, and go ahead and barter with your doctor."

Fairly clear to anyone dealing in reality and not blind, ideological hatred and anger to anything conservative.

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Paleo:

"Let's change the system and talk about what the possibilities are. I'm telling you that this works. You know, before we all started having health care, in the olden days, our grandparents, they would bring a chicken to the doctor. They would say I'll paint your house," she said. "[That's] what people would do to get health care with their doctors. Doctors are very sympathetic people.""

I don't see how negotiating about the price is "chang[ing] the system." Bartering would be.

In any event, as I said, if she thinks negotiating a reduction fees is the answer, the way to "change the system," she's not living in the real world. It's a stupid comment, chicken or no chicken.

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Lou-NH:

@ FM

This would have gone away already had she said she had used the wrong word "barter" when she meant negotiate as you have put it. I think we can agree that bartering by definition requires no exchange of money. I happen to support HCR, however, I wish they would have strengthened HSA's by raising if not removing the ceiling. I had an HSA when I was self-employed that doubled as a retirement vehicle in the event it went unused. I believe that while limited to those with the means, that type of approach can be helpful in reducing health care costs. I have always said that it takes all lot of grapes to make a vineyard and I think that mentality applies here.

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Field Marshal:

"In any event, as I said, if she thinks negotiating a reduction fees is the answer, the way to "change the system," she's not living in the real world. It's a stupid comment, chicken or no chicken."

And that's fine. Its obviously your right to disagree with the solution to the health care problem. But to say that she is in favor of people exchanging chickens for health care is just a flat out lie.

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tjampel:

Lowden said nothing to make me or anyone believe she's in favor of exchanging any kind of livestock. She DID absolutely claim that barter could one useful way of reducing cash costs for medical care. As one of many solutions to our medical care crisis I see nothing wrong with it; but I believe it will be of marginal benefit at best because few doctors will consent to haggle about prices or take services instead of cold hard cash.

She's probably correct in some rural areas of the country where the country doctor raises horses, or needs a new roof, etc. There are various high value services that many business owners would be happy to exchange for their services.

Now, I live in NYC. There is probably no doctor in the entire city who would anything other than laugh if I suggested that I provide services for a tonsillectomy or root canal.

I do have one suggestion for those who need dental work, at least. GO to TAIWAN and make an appointment with almost any reputable dentist there and see how their system works. The main difference. Few office people (like...one for a busy office). All dentists in same room working next to each other; little paperwork, they work quickly and then move right on to the next patient. They are very good at what they do, however. You just don't get pampered in a private room with a nice sound system, TV, and ultramodern equipment. Ohh yeah....and you pay about 15% cost I usually pay in New York.

I have a Taiwanese friend who has 13 fake teeth. He recently decided to replace them all (most were many years old and in various states of looseness). In New York this would have cost him around 10-$13k (in NYC at least). In Taiwan the cost was something like 2k. I had one molar tooth (where the top had totally come off) rebuilt and another canine, which was loose, sanded down and a piece of stabilizing filling material added to affix it to the adjacent teeth. The bill for that was about $70. In the New York it would have been at least $1000

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A couple of notes on my home state; Nevadans are not likely to stick with the national idea of Harry Reid as they tend to be independent. Reid has more pluck (sorry) than he is given credit for, but it is still an uphill battle. I am a progressive independent, so I am no fan of any of the GOP candidates. That stated, Danny Tarkanian is no pampered rich boy. Yes, his parents have money, but he is a competent lawyer with a good head on his shoulders who, as a native, cares deeply for his state. How he can still be trailing Lowden, who is a terrible candidate, is beyond me. Field Marshall might be fighting an uphill battle with Lowden were the Reid campaign to simply turn the You Tube videos of all three of the source interviews into campaign spots. Lowden might be better than those instances, but she looked terrible from her initial statement through her ham-handed walk backs.

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dan greene:

barter? and lose the medcal deduction

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