University of Central Arkansas
Clinton 51, McCain 36... McCain 43, Obama 27
No suprise with this poll - but the NBC National Poll is drawing much attention. Obama's losing ground now because of all of this racial talk but when your chosen pastor of 20 yours says stupid things like "The Chickens have come home to roost" after 911 AND makes no bones about his relationship with Farrahkan, One has to wonder why Obama would ADMIRE someone like this on a continued basis ?
Posted on March 13, 2008 5:58 PM
This is just because people there do not yet know Barack Obama. Once he campaigns there and people get to know him, he will overcome McCain and win in a landslide by 15, maybe 25 points in the General Election.
Posted on March 13, 2008 8:43 PM
Posted on March 13, 2008 8:44 PM
Mike, what are you smoking?
Posted on March 13, 2008 8:46 PM
Do you think regular people are going to vote for Obama after seeing his racist anti-American pastor on tape? This guy is more than
just his pastor - he is Obama's spirtual mentor - helped name Obama's book. I haven't liked what pastors have said before and I found a new church. What's Obama's excuse. I think Obama secretly hates all white people who make over 50,000 dollars a year. No wonder his wife was never proud of America. Please wake up America!!!!!
Posted on March 13, 2008 9:05 PM
I wonder if Hillary hates all black people and men, since Ferraro and others have said that is the only reason Obama is where he is.
What's Clinton's excuse for not firing Ferraro?
I think Hillary secretly hates all men, blacks and Muslims who make over 50K a year. Please wake up America!
Posted on March 14, 2008 1:41 PM
I wonder if McCain secretly hates all Catholics, Jews, and Asians? McCain has used a racial slur in the past to describe Asians (gooks), and just got an endorsement for Hagee, a REAL crazy pastor.
If you think Obama's minister is crazy, McCain's endorser (which he wanted to get) is a real wack-job. Apparently Hagee thinks all Catholics are evil and that Jews are the devil too. I wonder what he thinks about non-whites? HMMMMMM!
Posted on March 14, 2008 1:46 PM
But wait... isn't this one of those small states we're not supposed to care about, well, unless Clinton is ahead?
I heard Obama is half-white. And Hillary's married to the first black president. Doesn't that make it all even-steven?
All this spin-yammer is as useful as reading spam.
Posted on March 14, 2008 2:10 PM
The Republicans are going to use all that footage of Rev. Wright (Obama's pastor, dear friend and "spiritual leader" of 20 years - who married him and Michelle, christened their children, and give him the name of his most famous book) spouting black racist craziness - to crucify Obama in the general election. Not only will it completely turn off working class whites and Hispanics; it'll turn off a lot of progressive, higher income whites that have backed Obama in the swing states. Obama needs to reject and repudiate Wright immediately (rather than defend him as he did today) or this will kill any chance he has to be elected president in this country.
Posted on March 14, 2008 2:33 PM
"This is just because people there do not yet know Barack Obama."
Mike, they held a primary there. Clinton won.
I think they are familiar with Obama.
Posted on March 14, 2008 2:42 PM
I wouldn't expect Obama to win a state that is typically republican and probably voting for Hillary not because they are democrats but because of name recognition.
Posted on March 14, 2008 2:49 PM
Mike and Andrew S, this is beyond ridiculous. You obviously have no idea what "name recognition" means. And the "people don't know him" mantra is equally dumb.
The national polls show that only 1 to 3% of registered voters say they don't know anything about Obama. 1% say they don't know anything about Hillary. Go check it yourself, esp. if you feel yourself getting ready to say anything like that again. And if you look for pre-election or exit poll data for Arkansas, I'm sure you'll find that the voters have a variety of opinions on various issues and characteristics of the candidates.
Jonus is right. After playing the racism card on Ferraro and demanding Hillary "repudiate and reject" her, Obama's campaign has made the not-so-good Pastor's intolerance a fair topic of discussion. And by not repudiating and rejecting him, Obama looks like a hypocrite.
What goes around, comes around. The mistake his campaign made was thinking Ferraro would be horrified by the racism charge and would beg for forgiveness. Instead she challenged it, challenged them and kept the story alive for days. It was a sock on the jaw from one very tough old lady who knows how to deal with bullies.
"Bringing people together" - d'oh!
Posted on March 14, 2008 3:53 PM
I think the media has taken the "popular" opinion of Ferraro as just plain not helping the Clinton campaign. She is a loser, not a racist, but someone who talks about dumb subjects that divide the democratic party. Ferraro is a disgrace to the democratic party by being on a ticket with the worst presidential performance in history. She resigned just like the Obama campaign wanted her to even if she did "fight" back. I saw 3 of her interviews and she was clamoring to protect herself but looks like a racist kook after repeating her comments over and over again.
And when I mean name recognition of Clinton I'm not talking about whether or not they know Obama or Clinton's name and who they are. I'm talking about people who KNOW Clinton's politics much more than Obama's because of being in the state actively as first lady of the governor. State bias can be strong so much where you reject the other canidate and that I'm sure exists in Arkansas as well. I don't care about your national polls this is about Arkansas. Like I said before this state is an outlier just like any other state where the pres. nominee hails from.
Posted on March 14, 2008 4:30 PM
"sock on the jaw"? YOU are the joke! lol.
Ferraro looked like a crazy old lady. Put her on the long list of dubious Clinton supporters: Spitzer, Slick Willy, Bob Johnson, and now, ladies and gentlemen.....Geraldine "I was a VP candidate only because I am a woman" Ferraro! Ferraro everyone!
Great job Geraldine....you stay classy now.
Posted on March 14, 2008 5:08 PM
Wow, Andrew, I didn't know they were "my" national polls. I guess those are biased against Obama, too.
Gerry is a 73 year old lady who doesn't answer to anyone and won't be running for anything ever again. She knows what she said was not racist - that's pretty obvious. Gerry knows how to take a punch and she knows how to throw one. She is a real New Yorker.
You seem to forget that she doesn't have anything to lose. Unlike other people.
Thanks to Axelrod's gambit, Obama's Pastor is now fair game. Glass houses, and all that. ;-)
Payback's a bitch.
Posted on March 14, 2008 5:34 PM
The Obama camp did not "play the racism card" on Ms Ferraro. She brought that on herself by saying that if Senator Obama were not Black, he would not be in this position. Mind you, she did not say "part of the reason is because he's Black," which might be somewhat true. No - she effectively said the ONLY reason for Senator Obama's success is his Blackness (and gender).
That, actually, is in line with the Clinton campaign's continued absolute-negation of Senator Obama's life experience - which is not as much as a 60-year-old Washington pol's, but definitely not that of a complete greenhorn either. Senator Obama has been a community organizer, was a civil rights lawyer, a state legislator for eight years (where even Republicans admired him for his bipartisan approach). In the US Senate, Senator Obama has been active with Senator Lugar (R) on nuclear proliferation and has helped craft comprehensive ethics reform along with Senator Feingold (D).
And yet, according to the Clinton campaign and Ms Ferraro, all that is NOUGHT. All the support, votes, $100+million that Senator Obama raises in $20/$50/$100 donations from ordinary folks - all that is purely because Senator Obama is Black.
If that was the case, we would be seeing the re-election campaign of President Sharpton or President Carol Moseley Braun (not to denigrate their own achievements).
There are other factors which set Senator Obama apart from the rest of the Democratic field, aside from his Blackness. If a person (say "X") can't see Senator Obama's intelligence, his ability to see his opponents as people rather than as a demonic part of some vast right-wing conspiracy, his openness about his troubled youth and his financial records, his status as a relative outsider in Washington - and just looks at his Blackness - I think that says more about that person "X" than about Senator Obama.
Posted on March 14, 2008 5:57 PM
RS - you probably remember that I too feel it is completely wrong to say that Obama is getting votes from African Americans simply because he is black. If African Americans voted for candidates simply because of race, they would have supported Alan Keyes' presidential campaign back in the day. They didn't, and they don't. I don't believe anyone decides whom to support based on just an identity factor. There are too many examples to the contrary.
However, I believe you misunderstand what Mrs. Ferraro was saying. What she was saying was that a man with Senator Obama's profile - 8 years in the state leg, half a term in the Senate, would not have attracted such intense interest if he were just another white guy (the Senate is full of them).
The reason why we know this is what she meant is because she went on to say that it was just like her own VP run - sure, she was a Congresswoman, but so were a lot of other people, and she was fairly inexperienced. The reason *she* stood out was because she had the ADDED appeal of being a woman. Hence her famous line "If I were named Gerard Ferraro instead of Geraldine Ferraro, I wouldn't have been chosen."
Obama has spoken of himself as a "transformational" candidate. He and others - Nick Kristof in the Times, for example - have spoken about the positive signal it would send to the world to have an African American man as president. Obama has spoken of himself as uniquely able to bring people together, to be a unifier, because of his identity and experience straddling "different worlds." I'm sure if you go back into his speeches and those of his surrogates, you will find countless allusions to his identity as both a concrete asset (to the country) and a potent metaphor for his unique value. Not to mention the hundreds of time he has said people are very excited about electing an African American and you can see that in the tremendous enthusiasm of his supporters.
This is what Ferraro was talking about, and its clear from the interview question - something like "why do you think Obama has caught on in such a big way." As she later said, if the Obama campaign were upset with what she said, if they truly thought it could be seen as divisive, they could have called her first- its not like they don't all know each other.
Instead, Axlerod waited until right before the Mississippi primary to hold a conference call with reporters to bring the interview to their attention and express his outrage.
This was not unlike the move they made right before MLK's birthday when they took a perfectly innocuous statement by Hillary - that JFK did less for civil rights than LBJ, because JFK did not make civil rights a legislative priority, while LBJ transformed the work MLK did into legislative reality by passing the Civil Rights Act - and made it into an insult to MLK. They did it again before South Carolina when they took Bill Clinton's comment that Obama's history of opposition to the Iraq war was barely different from Hillary's, since they had voted the same since he was in office, and that the idea that he did something different was a "fairy tale" - and made it about race (they said he meant that the dream of having a black president was a fairy tale). Thus two people who have ALWAYS been committed to civil rights were slandered.
You know, I don't remember hearing all this outrage when Obama fans were saying that the only reason Hillary was running was because she was Mrs. Bill Clinton, and that she would be nothing without him. Nor was there this kind of outrage when they said the only reason she was winning was because she's a woman, and women want to elect another woman.
Well, we don't know where Hillary would be if she hadn't married Bill. And we don't know where Obama would be if he weren't biracial. But somehow the former is just fine, and the latter is an grievous insult.
As for the rest, the qualities you list are hardly unique.
"Senator Obama's intelligence" - all the Dems this time were intelligent
"his ability to see his opponents as people rather than as a demonic part of some vast right-wing conspiracy" = was said about Bush in 2000
"his openness about his troubled youth" = was said about Bush in 2000
"his status as a relative outsider in Washington" = was said about Bush in 2000.
No one is saying being biracial is Obama's ONLY positive quality. No one in their right mind, that is. Obviously he is brilliant, talented and capable in a number of different ways. But so are a number of Dems. Obama has something extra that is special.
Taking note of that is not wrong.
Posted on March 14, 2008 8:02 PM
Alan Keyes wasn't nearly the salesman, I mean speaker that Obama is... I do think that Keyes is alot wiser and more seasoned than Obama and he has HIS OWN IDEAS - IMAGINE THAT, A CANDIDATE WITH THEIR OWN Ideas - not borrowed or revised or rehashed, but his OWN. IF Keyes were in the Dem Party he would have had a MUCH better shot. Michigan announced today they WILL vote on June 3rd - Florida still working on theirs but they WILL be counted just as I have been saying ALL ALONG. Hillary wins PENN, FL & MI & probably KY and with all of the Supers she's garnered and getting more thanks to Obama's Rev, she will win the Nomination.
Posted on March 14, 2008 8:44 PM
>>If you think Obama's minister is crazy, McCain's endorser (which he wanted to get) is a real wack-job.
Jerry there is a big difference between Hagee and Wright. McCain has not looked up to Hagee, calling him his spiritual advisor and moral compass for the past 20 years. McCain did not have Hagee marry him and his 2nd or 1st wife. McCain does not take his kids to get baptized by Hagee. Hagee endorsed McCain, which is sad and unfortunate. However, Rev. Wright is Obama's moral lighthouse, a figure that Obama says brought him to christianity and has guided him throughout his life. He prays with the man in private. He donates money to his church.
He has a twenty year close and personal relationship with the hate spewing Wright. Big difference my friend.
Posted on March 14, 2008 9:03 PM
John - Spokane. Keep up the good fight. Don't let these reprobate fools from the DailyKoolAid and HuffPo sway your opinion. You and I both know Obama is toast, and if he isn't, he should be. Be confident. Pennsylvania will set the tone for the rest of the campaign.
Posted on March 14, 2008 9:06 PM
Amen.... I cant beleive all these people have been fooled by this guy. Can anybody name one thing that he's done ? I mean aside from attending racial speeches by Rev Wright.
Posted on March 14, 2008 9:40 PM
You assume that just because President Bush was seen as an "outsider" and a "uniter", the same consequences will be seen from an Obama Presidency. That is just wrong.
You forget - President Bush is not very intelligent; a C-student at Yale; a legacy admission; surrounded by neocons; and carried a chip against Saddam Hussein.
Senator Obama is none of these; President of the Harvard Law Review; a scholarship student; not born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
And yet, you think just because President Bush was attributed these qualities, they are bad?
Please re-read my post - I said Senator Obama's Blackness may be ONE factor in his success. But it is not the ONLY factor, which is what Ms Ferraro was implying. You might have heard that this year is a Change election, and Senator Obama embodies Change like no-one else. But that is not just because of his Blackness. And implying as such - and this is exactly what Ms Ferraro has said time and again - is wrong.
You might see the controversy over President Clinton's statements comparing Senator Obama to Rev. Jackson as not amounting to much, and perhaps in isolation, it was not.
But consider all the pieces of evidence available - the Iowa Clinton staffers forwarding e-mail asserting Senator Obama is a Muslim, playing up the fear card again by pointedly referring to his middle name "Hussein" or spreading a photo of the Somali garbed-Obama - in an atmosphere where Muslims are portrayed as Evil-incarnate, and making snide remarks about his self-admitted drug use, when you'd think Democrats would be considerate toward people who have resorted to drugs as a means of getting through tough times.... And a clear pattern emerges.
The politics of fear is something that the Bushies and the GOP love to play, and unfortunately, that is exactly what Senator Clinton's campaign has been based on. After all, if you just wanted "experience", Governor Richardson has a much better, proven track record in elected, accountable positions. Look it up.
Posted on March 14, 2008 9:58 PM
According to all of these Rev Wright videos we are now seeing - the Clinton Campagin would have been accurate had they made such an assertion, But they didn't - I do though. Why would you follow a person in mindset such as The REV for 20 years and now try to have us beleive, AH - I WASNT REALLY PAYING MUCH ATTENTION TO IT & I DONT AGREE WITH IT !! How stupid do you think people are ?
Posted on March 14, 2008 10:32 PM
I think Husseine Obama should just resigned now, before anymore of his dirty secret come out.
Posted on March 15, 2008 12:25 PM
I dont think Hillary would be interested in having him as VP now - He's got a Skeleton Avalanche coming out of his closet now !! How do you support a person that has patronized the ideas of "God Damn American for Nukeing the Japanese during WW II" Has this Nimrod forgot about Pearl Harbor and who got us into WW II ? I'd like to know what the Hell he (Wright) did in The Marines ? Its too late for Obama to say, "Well... I dont really agree with what the Rev says " THAT DOG WONT HUNT !! His chance to distance himself was 20 years ago - not late in a Presidential Bid.
Posted on March 15, 2008 3:26 PM
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