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POLL: CBS National


CBS News
(Story, General Election, Race, Economy)

National
Obama 45, Clinton 41
Obama 48, McCain 42... Clinton 50, McCain 41

If Barack Obama wins the Democratic nomination, would you like to see him pick Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate, or not? (Democratic primary voters)
Yes 59, No 35

 

Comments
hobetoo:

The pollsters had better keep tuned to the swing states, not just national figures. And the swing states may have to include those that might come into play for Obama because of the Libertarian Party taking votes mainly from McCain (though not only him). IOW, the pollsters probably ought to to be running 3-candidate races or split-half on their horse-race questions.

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killias2:

I wouldn't hold my breath for Georgia or North Carolina to suddenly become competitive because of Barr.

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onelightonevoice:
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onelightonevoice:

Ooops, Killias, no need to hold your breath - it already is!


http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_060208.pdf

WOW! This may be a landslide come November! I see Obama winning FL, MS, GA, NS, SC, and definitely VA.

There goes all those bogus arguments from brainwashed Clinton supporters.....

It looks like they can be happy clams voting against their interests and for McCain in the fall....because IT WON'T MATTER!! Obama doesn't need the "diehard hillary nutjobs" this NOV. There are enough reasonable people to carry him to victory quite easily in the fall.


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marctx:

onelightonevoice: Clinton supporters are nutjobs? Do you even read the polls on this site? Obama is loosing in EVERY state you listed. Click on each state to see for yourself. I think the facts will point to who the real "nutjobs" are.

This country is headed for disaster because the "real nutjobs" are going to riot.

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Patrick:

Doesn't anyone think it's odd that Clinton is still running better than Obama against McCain in national polls 3 weeks after Obama was effectively named the Democratic nominee? Or that she won more primaries and votes in the final weeks of the campaign? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that Obama needs Clinton on his ticket to have a much better chance of beating McCain, especially in the big swing states that decide elections - FL, OH, PA and MI being the 4 biggest - where she is so popular. Plus he could go down in history as not only being the first African American presidential candidate, but also of creating a truly historic ticket with the first woman presidential candidate. If he chooses ego over pragmatism and selects someone else (especially a white man), he may anger so many women that he loses the election. Then everyone will question whether a black man really can ever be president. Let's hope he does the smart thing and asks Clinton to be his running mate.

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onelightonvoice:

marctx- silly, silly fool.

Oh yes, the polls are real indicative 5 months out. Yup, they are right on!! How soon they forget-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/jon-stewart-mocks-hillary_n_105386.html

McCain will lose EVERY state I listed above - with a little help from Barr.

You seem to be under the delusion that there are riots coming. Hmmm, reaaalllyyy?? Where are these "riots" to be held? In your pants, perhaps?

And what are these "real nutjobs" rioting about? How the rules were unfair to them? How their candidate is incompetent?

And, by the way, you might try reading the post first. Most Clinton voters are rational people - there is a fringe group (like that poster Ciccina) that have no grasp of reality, similar to this delightful supporter-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPyeKe-EFf4

Yes, they exist, and maybe they will have riot parties and have a good sob. Well, good for them, they can cry and cry and make up stuff about Obama and how he is this horrible sexist and wants to make all women slaves and all this other BS just to rationalize the fact that their candidate lost. It makes NO DIFFERENCE.

Obama and Barr will kill off any chances McCain may have had in many Southern states.

Wait and see what happens when the campaigning really starts. It will be a massacre. Dems will unite behind Obama. Barr will take a fraction of the conservative vote, and that will be the end of it. Good night.


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Uri:

I'm proud to be a Hillary nutjob.

By the way, real clear politics posted their final pop votes tally:

Pop total: Obama +0.1%
Pop total with caucuses: Obama +0.4%
Pop vote with MI: Clinton +0.8%
Pop vote with MI and caucuses Clinton +0.5%
Pop vote with MI and Obama uncommitted: Clinton +0.1%
Pop vote with MI and Obama uncommitted and caucuses: Obama +0.2%

I personally read the last one as the "appropriate" pop vote, so Obama by 0.2%. That's a victory (especially since he was nominee for last two months), but certainly not at the level that justifies the arrogance on the Obama side.

Based on the formula, it ranges from +0.4% for Obama (no Mich but with the four caucuses) to 0.1% of Obama

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onelightonvoice:

Post a link to the "arrogance" Uri, as far as something Obama or his campaign said.

waiting.....


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hobetoo:

Patrick, no it's not odd. You still had a lot of pro-Clinton voters who were not reconciled to voting for Obama -- but said they'd rather vote for McCain. We'll get a much better read on Obama's support relative to McCain in a week or two, after Clinton's Saturday event and after seeing how strongly she urges her supporters to stick with the Democratic candidate.

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killias2:

onelightonvoice,

I've actually seen that poll before. It makes no difference. North Carolina won't go Democrat.

Third parties always do better in spring/summer polls than in the final election, and Barr won't be stealing -that- many more votes from the GOP than from the Democrats. PPP, while a decent pollster, certainly isn't magic, and they've been very wrong just days before contests.

If North Carolina goes Dem, I will eat my hat. Also, I will dance a victory dance.

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Mark Lindeman:

Just an encouragement to all not to feed the trolls. It's fine to provide factual rebuttals (sometimes even ideal), but if someone goes way way over the line and you feel your temper going, probably you should report the remark, not respond to it. Of course I'm not speaking for the establishment -- only reflecting on the many times I wish I had taken this advice myself.

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onelightonvoice:

Well killias, we shall see....

what did the polls and pundits say 5 months ago about the primary season? and what trend have we observed once obama starts campaigning in a state? we will see how gracious a speech is delivered on saturday by she who will no longer be named. if she is capable and willing to unite the party, then it will be an overwhelming landslide. if not, just your run of the mill landslide....

with acts like the ones below, obama is demonstrating the reason people who were clinton supporters are uniting behind him. he is the leader now, and is proving it. either get on board or get run over....as lieberman just found out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/05/obamas-in-control-no-more_n_105407.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/04/lieberman-carries-mccains_n_105179.html

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Tybo:

I wonder why the Barack supporters are trying so hard tomake certain the CLinton supporters either vote for McCain or simply don't vote.

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onelightonvoice:

I wonder why the "she who will no longer be named" supporters are still talking.....

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Uri:

@onelightonvoice: Because there are only 0.1% less of us than there is of you?

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onelightonvoice:

oh silly uri, the numbers have already changed.....look at the latest polls out of CA. maybe 10%. just move the decimal a few spots, then you will have got it. There you go, I knew you could do it!

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It seems too early to say what Clinton's supporters will do. Some of them have come over already behind Obama but many of them are nursing their wounds. They're disappointed like everyone is disappointed when their candidate loses. (Ask me; I've never started out backing a winner and most often ended up with a loser.) You feel put out and disgusted for awhile and then you vote for the next best choice. That's life in a representative democracy. When your candidate loses, you sigh and support the winner. I had to serve in the military under commanders-in-chief I had never voted for. You respect the process or you work to change it in time for the next election. Democracy demands of its citizenry the emotional maturity to weather setbacks and the resilience to make a more persuasive case the next election. Most Americans understand this. Good website, by the way.

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Snowspinner:

What's significant here to me is that Obama is winning by 6% with a 37% defection rate among Clinton supporters.

Even if he has trouble with those voters, winning even 50% of them back would put him more or less out of reach of McCain.

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