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POLL: EPIC/MRA Michigan


EPIC/MRA

Michigan
McCain 44, Obama 40
Obama/Clinton 51, McCain/Romney 44

 

Comments
NoToOsamaObama:

Haha,
Nothing like seeing Obama weak in general election matchups. Especially considering it being Michigan, a usual "democratic stronghold"; a very nice surprise indeed. The second poll reflects the popular notion that Clinton is indeed the stronger candidate.

Being a Clinton supporter nothing more would make me happy than to see the SOB media loving conving hype lose to old tard McCain. Heck, if he is the nominee I'm going Republican for the first time in my life, plain and simple, and boy would it feel good to have the Obama lova's hate on me, cause boy do I dislike them! :P

Hillary OR McCain 08!

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lookeelookee:

Wow guy, ever heard of margin of error? Or crappy polling firms. Let's see what SUSA says...oops, they just refuted your claim of Clinton being "stronger". She actually brings Obama down. Sorry, thanks for playing.....


http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=52d98ca6-6c14-4f4a-9180-4e7f1fce8a1a

Funny how racism works, huh?

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brambster:

Is it just me, or does it seem that since March there has been an organized, and possibly sponsored effort by the Clinton campaign to fill blog comments with anti-Obama rhetoric and pro-Clinton talking points???

We all know this happens in politics, but I'm just wondering if the HRC campaign has stooped this low...well actually, they have stooped lower in other areas, so I wouldn't be surprised.

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lookeelookee:

There are 16% undecideds - mainly Democrats who haven't figured out that Hillary won't be in it in November. Most will come aboard, and MI will be blue. I do hope McCain wastes his money there though....oh wait, I mean your money. LOL!

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NoToOsamaObama:

Lol look, for all the many that will defect from the democratic party this fall I've got to wonder if you will have enough of those "race cards" to pull out.

Ya Obama lova, keep screaming "racist" for every person who doesn't support your "hero" for legit reasons and see how many hearts and minds you wind. Tard

Hillary OR McCain 08!

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lookeelookee:

Hey noto,


Are you in this video? Yes I think you are......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8J9laUNgL4


You are a Sooooopa-star....yes you are, you Sooooopa-star you. Hey, don't forget your white bedsheet on your way to the "meeting" tonight.


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lookeelookee:

Awwwww, don't be a sore loser.....ooops, too late.


Thanks for playing buddy, you are the best, Soooopa-star!

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lookeelookee:

It's funny how all these Hillary supporters scream "sexism" but never fail to induce racism or xenophobia. Look at your name. So clever. It must have taken you all day to find something so amazing. You are a real winner noto.

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boskop:

railroading clinton again? is there no end to this hatred? would it have been so repugnant to have run the usual clinton vs mccain stat at least until june 4th?

i advise you to read this cnn piece on obama's ruthlessness. read about his signature legalese tactics to oust opponents. you want this kind of tamany huckster? i guess everyone knew but the media wants this egomaniac. so they get it.anyway, it's too late now. we bought the damaged goods and looks like we have to take the long apocalyptic ride downwards with him.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/29/obamas.first.campaign/

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NoToOsamaObama:

Lol looke, looks like I've rilled your feathers cause those "Obammy tantrums" sure are surfacing. Like I said seeing your hero behind in classic democratic strongholds is like waking up to a fresh brew of some South American coffee! :P

Obama lova aka looke the losa :-)

Hillary or McCain 08!

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lookeelookee:

brambster,

No. I think there are people who are just THAT stupid who support Hillary or McCain. I can't tell which camp they are truly from sometimes since some claim to be from both. I'm sure there are some repubs on this site claiming to be hillary supporters who are disgruntled, you know, just to stir up the "they treated women so bad" meme, when in fact it was Hillary who was the more negative one by far throughout the campaign.


I doubt we will see much more of this ridiculous banter after next week when the long kiss goodnight finally ends.

The polls will show Obama pulling away in about a month, and that will be all she wrote......literally.

I'm sure noto and people of his ilk will continue to use racist rants and xenophobia to try and stir up people like the ones on the youtube video above, but alas, it will have no effect. After these last 8 years, no Republican will sniff the White House for the next 20 years.......Americans are dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb......or are they.....


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Patrick:

Why is it that every time anyone criticizes Obama, they're accused of being racist? Can't we dislike the guy because he has so little experience? Or so few accomplishments? Or because he's provend to be such a hypocrite? How about because his campaign - and the national media - have been so sexist against Clinton? Or because he's already proving to be the weaker candidate and much more likely to lose in Nov.? I am one of the millions of life-long Democrats (and in a key swing state) who will vote for McCain over Obama. And believe me, there are more than enough of us nationwide to swing the entire election to McCain. Just watch.

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lookeelookee:

funny boskop. let's see, obama played by the rules. and you have a problem with that because.......


oh, I see, because Hillary doesn't know what rules are! I get it now! thanks for the refresher on which candidate plays by the rules and which doesn't.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/6/12656/59124/210/490995


oops, busted again boskop!!!!!

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NoToOsamaObama:

Lol looke boy in dillusion,

Silly fool saying things like "Repubicans are in disguise pretending to be dems". You joker, make no MISTAKE, this is one LIFELONG DEM speaking to you hear, and like many if your "hero" is the nominee I'm voting for McCain and registering Republican. It's appaling how 50% of the democratic party has treated Clinton. Shame on them and shame on you doo-doo boy :-)

Another thing just for you calling me a racist for not supporting Obama in legitable ways (non-racist) makes me ever more AMBITIOUS to see to it that he loses. Your talkign about the next month? What are my plans for the next month? Lol, if your "hero" is nominee, I'll be starting my process of registering Republican and going to gop.com instead of my usual hillaryclinton.com and donating there. Capiche, and screw you and your candidate race card lova :P

Hillary OR McCain 08!

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MC_from_Cali.:

Mark:

I think NoToOsamaObama needs to be banned from the site. he has nothing but derogatory comments to make including the user name he choose

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Andrew_in_California:

The democratic nomination is like American Idol. People will vote for Obama after their favorite drops out of the race from not getting enough votes. You just have to wait for the honeymoon period.

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Andrew_in_California:

I forgot to mention that Hillary is losing Michigan more than Obama. Whoops!

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kingsbridge77:

Only an Obama supporter would claim that Clinton's remarks giving LBJ credit for his civil rights contributions "racist".

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

Patrick-

You come here everyday and just lie. Lies upon lies. You embarass yourself buddy.


Funny how a Clinton supporter calls Obama a hypocrite. Next thing you know they'll be saying that Obama makes up stories about sniper fire. What a JOKE.


How has Obama been "sexist" again? Can you name an example??? Didn't think so. "weaker" candidate? Yeah, he has trounced Clinton so far - or aren't you paying attention to elections won?


Patrick - someone who votes for McCain isn't a Democrat. You might want to repeat that a few million times so it sinks in.

At least that racist noto admits it.


By the way noto, calling someone "doo-doo boy" and using an "osamaobama" screen name kinda refutes your "I'm not a racist" argument.

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boskop:

@lookkee...

read the link. it belies the premise of the candidacy which was constructed around legal fault lines to trip up his opponents from the get go. it has worked. clever aint he?

but its a cynical campaign isn't it? when you decide early on that the only way to win is to eschew the other opponents rather than depend on charisma and guts. it is a sad campaign that decided not to expose his personality. why?

notice he works best from a podium on stage. he has figured all along that the only way to win would be like bush. technicality folks. trip someone up and run on top of them. nice character for president.

he's betting harvard beats yale and what we get is a smart ass who always gets his way because he always has. his teflon coating called political correctness has kept the wolves away thus far. two faced, double talking, creep.

i have rarely despised anyone quite this much and to think i started out defending him! the campaign, his anger, his character, all a seething mucky lie upon lies.

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

where did you see that kingbridge? and more importantly, SO WHAT??


I can cite hundreds of examples of Clinton supporters using the n-word to describe Obama.

Can you show me a video like this, but replace Obama with Clinton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8J9laUNgL4

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

boskop - maybe you should reread the article. HE DIDN"T MAKE THE RULES!!

Clinton supporters always like to blame their opponent when convenient. they like to change the rules and get mad when the rules don't favor them.

Did Obama sue to change the rules? no. He just complied by the rules, the letter of the law. It is not his fault the others can't follow the rules.


I guess the rules don't matter, huh boskop?


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sooyapi:

Very interesting poll, since Michigan is a "homestate" for Romney.

Regarding Survey USA... here is part of their narrative:
"In Michigan, Putting Mitt Romney on the Ticket adds points to McCain; GOP Carries Key State Today, Regardless of Democratic Veep: Republican Mitt Romney, whose father served as governor of Michigan from 1963-1969, would help John McCain beat Barack Obama in the presidential election in that state, according to this latest SurveyUSA poll looking at Vice Presidential pairings. When Michigan registered voters are asked if they would vote for McCain or Obama, with no running mates mentioned, McCain leads Obama by 4 points, just within the survey's 4.3 percentage point margin of sampling error."

Bottom Line: The McCain-Obama match up is the same for both polls.... McCain leads Obama by 4 points.

(Any comments about "racism" in the context of these polls is totally irrelevant and unwarranted.)

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

wow boskop, are you projecting again???


Funny how a clinton supporter starts ranting about "lies upon lies"

That is just straight hilarious......


I think if you took a poll asking the one name in politics people associate with lies that it would come back at 50% saying Clinton and 50% Bush.


But keep ranting boskop, it is kinda funny....I can almost feel your spittle.....

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

sooyapi-

Look at the susa crosstabs. AAs are at 13%. They make up 14% of the pop. They will vote at 20%. real bad news for mccain. this is very similar to NC when the pollsters didn't account for high AA turnout.

I expect obama to carry MI by 5-10 points, less if romney is on the ticket.

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boskop:

time will out this man. for now, yell louder. history will take him down. the sad part is 'we told you so.'

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

dream on boskop, dream on.

that's only thing you got right....time will tell. and yes, it will tell....

the stupid part is, saying "we told you so", and making it happen by fracturing the dem party has no merit or redemption for camp clinton. she loses either way....

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sooyapi:

May I remind the Obama supporters that many Michigan and Florida Democrats are more than a little annoyed about the stance that Obama has taken against revotes and seating of delegates and overall obstructionism to resolving the issue earlier.

That may account for part of Obama's weakness against McCain in Michigan polls. The other issue is the more conservative white working class vote who tend to vote for those who they consider more moderate (centrist) and who support Hillary or McCain in that context.

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

i don't think so sooyapi.

let's see, they broke the rules. they were told what would happen if they broke the rules. Now, they are crying about it??

many in MI and FL know what is going on here. clinton agreed with it and now she wants to change the rules to benefit her. tough cookies.

by the way, that mi poll, AAs aren't breaking 60-20, more like 95-5.

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

Some stunning data from pablano to refute all those clinton supporters' lies:


http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/05/incoming.html

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

More *gasp* FACTS to refute Hillary supporters' lies:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/May_28_2004.html

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dontbemadcauseyoulost:

kinda funny video....even though they spelled her name wrong....

and that mcconnell guy must be hurting for work....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG1LLTYkn4I&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/

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eternaltriangle:

Clinton does not bring Obama down as running mate. With her as VP, yes, Obama does slightly worse than when VP's are not mentioned, but remember that Mitt Romney has an impact too. Since no VP match asks about McCain-Romney vs. Obama, you cannot infer that Clinton weakens the ticket. In fact, Clinton runs better than everybody but Edwards as VP (and is within the margin between he and her).

Secondly, what does Poblano's [highly selective] look at attacks have to do with whether Clinton is a stronger general election candidate/a good running mate? Or, for that matter, how useful is looking at a map of 2004 polls from June? This election cycle both parties had a hotly contested primary, and considerable coverage. We know a lot more about Obama and Clinton than we did about Kerry at this point. Want a good comparison?

Look at google trends, Super tuesday was nearly as big as the 2004 election:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=kerry%2C+obama&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Moreover, simply because polls may change to a large degree between now and November does not mean they are a bad indicator. They are still a decent gauge of relative success, and tell us more than we would know without them. True, they might be wrong - but that could hurt Obama as much as it might help him. Anyhow, if that is your real attitude about pre-election polls (and not an extension of your candidate preference), why are you on pollster.com anyway?

Perhaps before we say "yes, we can" we should ask: can we? Of course, if the Obamabots asked that question in the first place we would be debating what colour drapes Hillary should install by now.

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Ciccina:

eternaltriangle: actually, I think that before we say "yes, we can" we should ask "what do you mean by 'we'?" Also, I think it would have been helpful if "can we" were followed by "should we."

The funny thing about saying all these poll numbers showing Obama doing poorly against McCain, etc., are worthless is this - if they are so worthless, why are so many people spending so much money doing them? Surely its not just for the entertainment value.

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cinnamonape:

BTW Anyone actually look up the origin of the word "Boskop"...Afrikaaner origin. A town in the "redneck" region of South Afrika.

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