TargetPoint/New Leadership USA (R)
McCain 51, Obama 39... McCain 52, Clinton 40
Sen: Udall 45, Schaffer 45
I didn't know Stephen Colbert started a polling firm.
(Seriously, I anxiously await the results of another new (R) poll, from PatriotUSA/GodBlessAmerica.)
Posted on April 16, 2008 2:48 PM
here is a typical post addressing me from the-real_truth. we all know the way this person writes by now, dont you?
"I used to think from your past rants that you were an alcoholic, but from your most recent posts it is obvious that you are a hard-core drug user. I must ask in earnest though, what are you smoking and where can I get some of it??"---------
this kind of person belongs somewhere else. either clean up your site so others can tread here in a public and restrained forum about polling engendered discussion or accept this miserable, lo brow behavior and join the rest of the muck out there.
in other words, mark, practice what you preach and block this junk. or else accept that you have been taken over by the same anger posted on every fly by nite site and have sunk to their new lo..
Posted on April 16, 2008 2:55 PM
Last night I saw an ad featuring lots of cute kiddies saying "Bob Schaffer is so great" or variants on that... Had to Google him to find out he's the GOP Senate candidate here! [I live in Colorado... in the Boulder Bubble :-) ]
Do we seriously consider such a partisan poll?
you might want to use the "contact" button at the top of each page to contact the folks at Pollster, rather than posting the same message on multiple threads. I do agree that name-calling is not good form (but the rest of the_real_truth's post was pretty good.)
As an aside, I seem to recall a similar complaint a month or so back, effectively saying "I will quit if this person is not barred from this website." Can't quite seem to recall who that was, though.
Posted on April 16, 2008 3:07 PM
Has anyone heard of TargetPractice before? The GE results are rather out of tune with recent trends in CO politics. It will be interesting to see real polling results post-Marianas for Schaffer.
wrt lsmakc--the_real_truth should not have accused you of using drugs--that was a low blow. S/he is probably just not used to ESL writing style.
Posted on April 16, 2008 3:43 PM
I find it amusing that lsmakc would be on this crusade to get someone else banned after so recently comparing Obama to Hitler, saying "What is it about Hitler that makes you swoon?" Really that's not just comparing Obama to Hitler, but also Obama supporters to Nazis and Nazi apologists. Who should be banned?
On topic, as I alluded to in my first post, this poll lies somewhere on the trustworthy scale between ARG and Dick Cheney. I think I'll do my own Colorado poll...I have free long distance, and it can't be that hard.
Posted on April 16, 2008 4:09 PM
I don't really find The_Real_Truth's comments offensive. If you read through the sarcasm, he/she questions your conclusions. Although it is said in a "lo-brow" way, I'd say, "Welcome to the internet!" The two ways to discern offensive forum behavior is if it uses foul language and if it is a personal attack/threat or not. Unfortunately, questions like "Did McCain have an affair with a Lobbyist?" are taken as personally condemning even though they only act as an inquiry. Thus in the literal use of words they should not be a use of a personal attack or threat. But its not my site and Mark can playground moderate the site if he wants to or not.
Posted on April 16, 2008 4:11 PM
Obama led in Colorado in late February, per Rasmussen: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/colorado/colorado_obama_leads_mccain_mccain_leads_clinton
Now this poll suggests Obama's appeal among independents and Republicans is fading: he now trails McCain by 12% according to the poll this thread is about.
Posted on April 16, 2008 5:47 PM
Obama is now comfortably ahead nationally in the Democratic nomination race and he doesn't run any better against McCain in Colorado than Clinton? Colorado is supposed to be one of the most electorally vote rich states that Obama will change from Red to Blue this year! At least that's been the argument made by his supporters when it is pointed out that he is very unlikely to win OH, PA, and FL (which have decided the last several elections). Obama is supposed to change the whole electoral map this year, remember?? Yeah, let's see how that works out.
Posted on April 16, 2008 6:17 PM
Maybe they reversed the results of Obama and McCain? After all the poll claims that they are the "New Leadership" Suevey. Someone should tell them that Bush has been President for the last seven years and the had a lock on Congress for a decade before 2006 (and are still able to block any new legislation through the filibuster and failure to override vetos).
I wonder if the poll was actually a "push" poll designed to get certain memes out to the public to "test" their impacton voter response. Anyone have access to the phrasing of the poll?
Posted on April 16, 2008 6:47 PM
I suspect the "poll" should be taken for what it is, the basis of a press release for a GOP candidate. Kudos to Mark for noting the '(R)' next to the poll link. Given Colorado's history I'd be surprised if the Senate race were not competitive, but this press release strikes me as a fundraising effort, not necessarily a valid result, especially in view of Schaeffer's recent spate of bad publicity.
Posted on April 16, 2008 7:08 PM
New Zogby/Newsmax poll out... I guess they've gotten over their embarassment over having Newsmax as a partner. Clinton leads by one. Am I going to change my prediction based on what Zogby says? Of course not, people.
Posted on April 17, 2008 9:18 AM
I think the most important thing is, that McCain is 122 points ahead of the Democrats in a state that should be blue for Obama.
I disagree with Patrick- Obama is still the better candidate against McCain- but this is bad news for each of them.
Posted on April 17, 2008 9:45 AM
The poll is not signicantly different than most of the others done except for Obama. But the key thing here is that it was done for the Republican candidate in order to generate a press release knocking down the MCLaughlin poll(also a Republican pollster)thus it numbers are best disregarded. Another is are the pollster's accurately picking up the increasing hispanic vote in Colorado? Without poll details it's imposible to tell.
Since none of us live in a vacumn I am happy to disclose my personal biases. I am not know nor have I ever been a Republican. I am not a great fan of Clinton's or Obama's, but would feel better with Obama as President. I do not have any greaat dsire to be media guy and spin the numbers for my candidate. Put them out there and everybody can judege them for what thwy are.
Posted on April 17, 2008 4:27 PM
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