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POLL: USA Today/Gallup (8/30-31)


USA Today / Gallup - story
8/30-31/08; 1,835 registered voters, margin of sampling error +/- 3%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviewer (landline and cell phones)

National
Among registered voters
Obama 50, McCain 43 (8/21-23: Obama 47, McCain 43)


UPDATE: Maura Strausberg of the Gallup Poll now confirms that this survey was a two-night  subset of the the Gallup Daily tracking survey.

 

Comments
jamesia:

There is also a CBS poll taken after the announcement of McCain's VP pick showing Obama up 48%-40%

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Aug08bPostDemConv.pdf

The Republican convention is this week, but it'll probably be difficult to fight through news cycles about the hurricane and Palin's announcement of her daughter's pregnancy. I can't see a convention bounce for the Republican side happening...

I find it ironic that Christian conservatives uphold the traditional role for women, yet McCain (if he should win) will throw that role out permanently. I'm very curious about how fundamentalists will react to Palin's daughter's pregnancy. My sister did that at 18, but she didn't have the national stage to contend with... I wish Bristol luck.

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Basil:

50% RV's, with LV's probably higher, is great news for Obama. I've said elsewhere that the Palin pick raises the likelihood of an Obama Tsunami. But the R's are still working through their mess. Real data is a week away, maybe.

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brambster:

No measurable amount of people will change their preferences based on her daughter's pregnancy. This is a complete non-issue. It's also very unfortunate that this has to be national news, though it was bound to be. There's absolutely nothing at all ironic about teenagers getting pregnant just as there is not out of the ordinary for teenagers to have sex. Chances are that the majority of us did.

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tjampel:

This poll, when taken together with CNN, CBS, Ras, and Gallup, and adjusted for a typical VP bounce for Palin, is further evidence for the 7 point Dem Convention bounce I referenced in my CBS Poll comment.

It also makes the CNN poll appear to be, if not an outlier, at least a little suspect in terms of its weightings.

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thoughtful:

This is bang in the trend and I would expect that there is a 50% chance that Gallup tracker goes to 50% tomorrow. Ras looks like it may well too!

McCain may have a Kerry like convention dip of 2 % unless he pullls a rabbit out of the bag.

He can't attack Obama on experience or judgement any more. Issues?

He did sort of OK with the Drill Here Drill Now and certauinly he looks to have strengthened his hand with the pick, but their is mountaining baggage distractions. Wednesday is Sarah's night and thursday McCain is going to have be on jet propelled.

By picking a young running mate he looks very old and that is turning off 25% at least of the electorate who are even more Ageist than Racist.

Some pollsters are looking at +2 for Obama in next Mondays Trackers. I'm looking at +10.

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PeterPrinciple:

"There's absolutely nothing at all ironic about teenagers getting pregnant just as there is not out of the ordinary for teenagers to have sex. Chances are that the majority of us did."

Absolutely correct -- but none of us had mothers who were running for vice president on a Christian fundamentalist, abstinence-only platform.

The real political problem with Bristol Palin's pregnancy, as with Sarah Palin's child with Downs syndrome, is that it turns the focus to her position on abortion. She and her daughter may have made the right choice, and it may be praiseworthy, but the underlying message is that they don't want other women to have that choice.

I don't think that's a particularly strong message to be taking to disaffected Hillary supporters right now.

A lot of the stuff coming out about the Palins is also starting to make the whole clan look kind of trailer trashy. But that's a whole nother problem.

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Odd that USAToday/Gallup did not report the numbers among likely voters. Anyone know what they are? If they are closer, I imagine that USAToday is going to take some flak for liberal bias.

Btw, see my longer posting on the CBS internal numbers thread below for a critique of CNN's "poll-of-polls" from which they use the CBS and USAToday/Gallup polls to allege the post-convention bounce for Obama has been negated by Palin. Simply incredible (and provable so as CNN is not making a true apples-to-apples comparison) since CBS and USAToday are reporting these polls as showing exactly the opposite.

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brambster:

Palin was a liability regardless of her daughter, and I really don't think that attacking Palin for the actions of her daughter is wise at all, and it is hurtful to her daughter who really had no choice in her mother's candidacy. This really should be off-limits if it doesn't involve Sarah Palin herself. It's really unfair to most every candidate's kids, all the way down to the state level. They are always being scrutinized and judged against and with their parents. After Barack and Michelle Obama did that one interview with his daughters they quickly said that it was a mistake. It's not that anything went wrong, they just didn't understand how much of a frenzy there would be about the segments, and quickly realized that they didn't want to make their daughters public figures.

So if it doesn't involve Sarah Palin or other adults participating in the campaign, it really should be off-limits for public forums.

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zotz:

This poll has to be very depressing for the Reps. Obama crosses the 50% barrier for only the second time this summer. The Reps counted on Palin to steal Obama's momentum. I heard O'Reilly railing against Daily Kos (just like some of us rail against him). Doesn't he know he is giving them free publicity? And now we hear that two more hurricanes are coming right on Gustav's heals.

We see how cautious Obama when he denounces the reportage on Palin's family problems. He needs that good guy image. We saw with McCain's attack ads that they were good for driving down Obama's numbers but they did not bring McCain's numbers up. Palin was supposed to do that. If the Palin choice was supposed to be a gamble, McCain definately lost.

I think Obama is afraid that his surrogates will screw it up for him by being over aggressive and creating a backlash against him. If you think what happened to him in the primaries you can't blame him. He really has had to walk through fire to get to where he is.

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@tjampel: I agree, the CNN/ORC poll is increasingly looking like an outlier. If you read the CNN story carefully on the poll, though, the same trends in the CBS poll are apparent. 51% of people reported being more likely to vote for Obama following the convention and women did not move to McCain because of Palin. Something strange happened in the horserace numbers in that poll, but we'll never know what it was because CNN likes to keep that poll as a black-box.

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thoughtful:

Michael Mc

CNN does News Entertainment so it puts out what will most increase audience figures,

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Paul:

Unfortunately, many families start out of wedlock. But one family exactly in the US has an unwed 17 year old who is five months pregnant and the mother running for Vice-President.

This would not be a national issue of this proportion except that (a) neither the McCain campaign nor the family discussed this upfront and (b) VP Nominee Palin has stated explicitly that she wants to replace sex education classes with sex-abstinence classes (not a mainstream position) --- that is bound to keep coming up.

A related point is that three announcements were made public today (1) Palin's daughter is pregnant; (2) Palin's husband has a DWI arrest record and (3) Palin or Palin's office has retained an attorney to defend her in the probe by the Alaska legislature. In all three cases, the media got the story and McCain's campaign was on the defensive (the latter in all likelihood being the most significant).

This should not be about the nominee's family. However, there are legitimate questions as to judgment by the campaign and the nominee.

The story of course starts with a candidate who was not vetted by the press, so the media is doing its best to figure out what is going on, only to find out that the campaign was apparently not going to talk, at least not now. All in all I can not understand why the campaign did not get ahead of all of these problems from the beginning, one by one. One finding feeds on the next. It is only natural now that the media is going to press further. Just wait until the frenzy over the age of the father (who has not been identified), and then the analysis of state law vis-a-vis sexual behavior in Alaska (she is 17, he is ___ etc. etc , and on and on - plain awful stuff to deal with on any level, never mind a media spotlight).

Personally, I must say I feel for the family a lot. This is not a womans's issue alone --- as a mother or father, I just cannot reconcile why the Governor accepted the nomination ... she had to know what she was getting into ... no one should blame the press.

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@thoughtful: I'm now glad that USAToday and Gallup parted ways with CNN. I'm wondering if it was because CNN wanted too much control over the release of their polling product. In ORC they've found a firm who is a willing accomplice in obscuring scrutiny of their polling methods.

You have to at least give Gallup credit for willing to engage their critics and be a little more transparent than other firms...which is why I am still puzzled that USAToday/Gallup did not release likely voter numbers.

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Robi:

Now I understand how this works correct me if I'm wrong. We all talk on the latest poll?

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BarackO'Clinton:

Well, there is no doubt that the McCain campaign had a bad day thanks to all the Palin drama and the GOP, in an effort to not botch their response to Gustav, botched the opening day of their convention.

Sure, the daughter's pregnancy is a non-issue but tied into all the other strange news that broke today regarding Palin, it's pretty clear that she has become a liability to the campaign. While the hard right conservatives will stick by her, independent swing voters must be questioning McCain's judgment.

I think the most damaging story to come out of Palin's trunk has to be this one:

"Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States."

She doesn't even want to be an American?

Ouch! I wonder how the McCain campaign will spin this one.

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tjampel:

@ brambster

It will affect some voters negatively because they may see it as evidence of poor parenting, while for others it might smack of hypocrisy, in that Palin DOES NOT agree that it's perfectly ordinary for teenagers to be out having sex. She supports abstinence education and opposes sex-ed.

Fact is, in most communities in the lower 48 at least, most people perceive this as something unfortunate, and, try and spin it all they want, I doubt that McCain's team can bring this one in for a soft landing.

I wish it had never been brought up. Obama has and will ontinue to avoid it like the plague, yet it WILL percolate through the consciousness of voters.

I want Obama to win but absolutely NOT this way. I agree that this shouldn't be the concern of voters but it's exactly these kinds of things that bring down candidates...Kerry looking "French" and wind-surfing, for example.

I'm not really expecting this salacious tidbit to have much of a lasting effect. The same can NOT be said for the following, however, especially when taken cumulatively.

Her desire that creationism be taught next to evolution in our public schools won't help with anyone from moderate republicans leftward. Somehow rejecting modern science is a powerful draw for a small vocal base; beyond that people just look at you like you're crazy. Just tell someone that all the oil in the ground in Alaska was put there by God a few thousand years ago and see what kind of response you get.

Troopergate will heat up at the wrong time. Too late to sweep it under the rug as it started well before the VP pick and most documents are already in investigators' hands; no way to sanitize this. Oct 30 release of a report that will, at the very least, castigate Ms Palin and First Dude and her staff for unethical communications.

Palin's AIP connection(an Alaska-First Secessionist Party) Turns out she was a member before becoming a Repub and even recorded a speech for their 2008 convention. Probably wont hurt her numbers in Alaska but do we want a VP and potential president who support a group which claims that Alaskans should, in 2008, be given a choice to become an independent country? Not too popular with the "drill drill drill...for America, presumably, crowd. This group demands that, right now, all Alaskan Fed lands be given over to the state, that all environmental regulations be removed regarding development, that property tax be eliminated, and...well, you get the drift

Her alleged Buchanan brigade activities during his presidential bid (Pat affirms this himself)--may not play well with Jews in FL)

Her consistent and passionate Bridge to Nowhere support---before she was against it that is. I've read some of the articles about her support a couple of years back and it's just so damning.

Her relationship with indicted Senator Ted Stevens won't help either; this from WAPO
"Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin began building clout in her state's political circles in part by serving as a director of an independent political group organized by the now embattled Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens."There's also this quote from Palin, which was scrubbed from her wiki links but located by an intrepid investigator:
"It is so encouraging to hear again that Senator Stevens and I are singing from the same sheet of music," said Governor Palin. "In his address, he pushed for action this year on a natural gas pipeline. I also have the Senator's assurance that once the state has acted on the AGIA, our Congressional Delegation will do everything it can do to expedite the federal review of the natural gas pipeline project." This is the same pipeline that VP Cheney was pressuring the Alaskan legislature on. A Stevens Ad was hurriedly pulled from her website just as the VP announcement was made.

Her REALLY bad manners in laughing repeatedly when radio talk show hosts called her cancer-survivor Repub. opponent Lyda Green a "cancer" and a "bitch", and made fun of her weight, and then telling them she'd be pleased to have them visit her. This one seems to be a real window into who Sara Palin is deep down. This is viral and not sure how many will hear it; I must say that I kind of liked Palin until I heard this.

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Robi:

They have been pushing the vote but is it on the record which side they have been on?

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Steven In Boca:

I find it in keeping with the party of smoke, mirrors and family values that now that Palin's daughter is pregnant it's a non issue in the Republican party. If the Clinton's daughter was pregnant the Red Coats would would be all over it from a family value view. I see the Republicans say we should leave the kids alone...I think once you become the unwed pregnant daughter of the VP you get to move from the kid to young adult category.

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jamesia:

@brambster

Sorry, I didn't mean it was ironic Bristol is pregnant. That would only be ironic in an Alanis Morisette kind of way :)

I just meant that Christian fundamentalists usually uphold traditional female role models. Yet McCain has nominated a woman who is supposed to rein in those very people that uphold those roles. She's a super mom with a career and a family, a new baby and a pregnant teenage daughter she will definitely need to mentor. I'm curious if fundamentalists will look past the old role model, which would keep Sarah Palin at home. The evolution from the traditional female role model might be coming to a close.

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Clint Cooper:

I agree completely that her daughter's pregnancy is a total non-issue. It's a private family matter.

Now if we could just get all the Republicans to agree that the Lewinsky affair was also a private family matter, we'd be set!

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Robi:

Well done Clint **thumbs up**

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marty:

You all more or less miss the point about the pregnant daughter. According to the evangelicals and the Christian right, parents have are responsible for instilling values in their children. That includes abstinence and chastity. Apparently Sarah failed with lil' Bristol, or else all that compulsory Sunday school just didn't have any traction. The Republicans and Christians have made the private public; they presume to legislate what happens in the bedroom and what a woman can do with her own body, so the failures of a prominent advocate of "traditional morality" is totally fair game. I wish that is wasn't, but the Repubs created this situation for themselves.

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Robi:

To Marty:

I understand your point, but there is so much more we can point at about Sarah Palin and not risk the image of "politics as usual".

This is not the fight we want to make.

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marty:

Let me also say, that as a parent, I cannot conceive of leaving a mentally challenged infant and a pregnant daughter to more or less fend for themselves while I ran for (and then served) as Vice President. Who is caring for that baby? I guess that Palin can afford some good help, but, as my son would say: "That is really cold!" The only thing that I can figure is that Palin figures that the whole show will only last about 60 days, and then she can go back home (and just be Governor while avoiding all her messed-up life.) As a cynical friend of mine said, maybe she just wants to get the hell out of the house and do some traveling. All kidding aside, it is sad no matter how you look at it.

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Robi:

Once again Marty:

These are not the arguments that should be made. She is a bullseye and you're throwing a dart nowhere close to what is wrong with this pick.

Her husband could probably help take care of them by the way.

But don't focus on something that doesn't question the VP issue. Question her belief in creationism or the fact she thinks global warming is not man made. Not this trivial issue.

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illinoisindie:

INMHO...Everyone with any real republican credentials... stayed far away from this ticket..i wouldnt be surprised that Romney and Huckabee (if you can believe it)removed themselves from consideration. If McCain was truly after Hillary voters Kaye Bailey would have been a better pick... If the republicans would be honest, they will admit that this really is a hail mary pass. They rolled the dice on trying to bring back the maverick John Mccain and ended up with a reckless foolhardy candidate. Forgetting Sarah Palin's qualifications or lack thereof... because of the gender dynamics this VP pick will be smartly framed by the Dems as a judgement differential. McCain killed the experience argument... Forgetting partisanship for a miunte, this election is entertaining...if it werent so sad... good grief we are electing the leader of the free world. I think most intelligent people get it...
Now while Palin's family issues may be just that...family issues she is a public figure and her personal choices and "running of her family" will be perceived to bear on her ability to govern... we really dont have much else to go on.
Being a christian... I see some hypocrisy in someone touting abstinence yet unable to implement in her own home...
Being a woman... under no circumstances should anyone dictate that if any woman was raped...you get the point.
I cant wait to see what this country decides... If Mccain picks supreme court justices the same way that he picks VP's I pray that the senate is 60+ seats Dems

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player:

I really don't believe the Palin selection can be measured in any poll. I think that people are going to be very private about whom they support till election day. The liberal media will push their views one way or another but it will just be hopeful guesswork meant to influence.

I tuned into CNN saturday afternoon. McCain and Palin were making a campaign stop in Pennsylvania. The station apoligized to viewers for them having to watch the event, and promised to turn to the Obama-Biden campaign stop as soon as they showed up.

I thought to myself. This is really low.

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Robi:

To Player:

They show equal coverage and maybe it was in their programming schedule to show the obama-biden speech and maybe that's the apology. Fox News is not the liberal media nor is a media source liberal if it doesn't say what you want to hear.

CNN is a pretty good source for un bias reporting. Does it have some bias? Of course. But it is pretty objective and has really good reporters like Fareed Zakharia.

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Robi:

More proof that CNN is good:

I'm watching Larry King live for the first time in a while and they have this one Dem jackass doing and saying everything that the Obama campaign would hate him to do. The Republicans are not straw men reps and I think the dems are actually sucking it up in this conversation.

Does fox put smart dems on debate shows? OF COURSE NOT!

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player:

@Robi:
CNN's own Lou Dobbs complains every day about his own stations biased reporting in favor of Obama. That is coming from the horses mouth. CNN wants to be Obama central. I watched them during the primaries. They are pro Obama all the way. They even bragged the other day that they got more viewers for the dem convention Obama speech than MSNBC and everyone else combined.

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Robi:

They brag that, for a historic event, people watched their station for it.

Even McCain acknowledges that it was a historic event. The fact that Lou Dobbs has a show on CNN and says that kind of crap proves my point actually. I watched them too by the way and they had very intelligent Clinton supporters and covering a political phenom when the other candidate is incredibly well known.

Of course they would cover Obama. They're talking about Palin a lot now cause she's the unknown now.

Now if you said MSNBC then I would agree with you.

And I'm sure you agree with me if I say that Fox is the Conservative media source.

But CNN doesn't blame forest fires in California on terrorists and don't obsess over Obama's middle name. I think they show both sides fairly and you find that biased because you're being exposed to an intelligent democratic argument and not Alan Colmes.

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player:

@Robi:
You made my point. They are suppose to be covering the candidate,John McCain. Do they go through Biden's long history of dirt? No, they just want to stick their fangs into Palin. They can't wait. They have already attacked her family. They are shameless about it. They have lost all sense of fair play because of their worship of Obama. They don't even hide it. They are very contemptible.

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Andrew_in_California:

Well everyone know's what Biden's about because he was running for freaking president. He's loud mouthed and gets himself in trouble saying inarticulate things. He's a person who doesn't really have something to hide if he could even hide it with his big trap.

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in2veep:

To Robi,

You don't bite off what you cant chew. She's leaves the little town of Alaska to play on the big stage, and now the press has to play patty cake with her. Everyone gets hit hard by the press, look at obama when Rev. wright came out, it was CNN (a fair network) like 30 times a day. Biden is a known commodity, he's been around for a while and everyone knows him. He's had rough treatment to by the press, and you know it(very rough.) You can't say you wanna play hardball and then ask the pitcher to throw under-hand just for you!

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Basil:

Two days ago a guy from Alaska (who registered R so he could vote for Palin in the wake of the Dems' Alaskan corruption fiasco) told me he was positive that Sarah Palin could not survive vetting. It looks like he was right.

@tjampel
I basically concur with your position. This whole situation is terrible and the pregnancy per se is irrelevant. There seem to be plenty of more relevant criticisms of Palin than her daughter's situation.

@player
Spin this story any way you like. Palin should never have been picked and you know it. She put her family in the middle of this and Bristol is both totally blameless and totally defenseless. McCain's people say they knew about it beforehand, so they obviously didn't care. Why not? Don't you think McCain could have forseen the craziness of it all? As a father (I am) I would do whatever I could to keep my daughter out of this. Sarah Palin is blind and self-destructive.

Surely some Rovian McCain handler has another cynical, mean-spirited, up-yours tactic to use if Palin bails out for the sake of her family. There is no good scenario for R's as it stands. It's a train wreck and it's wrong on every level. I started out wondering if Sarah Palin wasn't being manipulated. Now I wonder what in the world she's thinking.

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in2veep:

To Basil,

I strongly think the McCain is gonna play it clean from now on because if they don't they will loose really bad. Do you know the kinda attacks they could put on Palin, i mean look at my facebook group "stop sarah palin" this women is a huge target_ people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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in2veep:

Hey the evangelical extremists are really the only ones supporting GOP. I mean after 2 years of Bush these extremists are still content with Republican nominees. I think evangelicals are screwed up remember they delivered Ohio for Bush!

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saywhat90:

it is the republicans who made these thing a public issue.it was the republican who tried to make morality an issue. remember the return intergity and moral character back to the white house during the 2000 campaign. i didnt here the republicans saying it is a private family matter when john edwards was found out to be an adulterer.even tried to tie it to obama.and they also said this shows you the lack of morality prevelant in the democratic party. but now its one of there own its this is a private family matter. now i dont care that palins daughter is pregnant and i didnt care about edwards infidelity. but i do care when someone is being hypocritical.and finally the whole babaygate scandal in not a scandal. i have no reason to doubt here sincerity when she says that is her child. somethings are best left alone. she is a good mother and her husband is a good father. they are together and have raised a fine family. it is there issues i dont agree with.you can like someone and not vote for them.

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thoughtful:

Good Morning

The Cheney/Palin Bush/McCain platform has 3 more days in the Minn/St Paul sun. I expect
next Monday The Rassmusson tracker to show a 5% and the Gallup tracker an 8% Obama lead. A McCain Convention dip of 2%. These are the constant polls that can be measured. Real Clear average at 5.3%!

Those of us who have followed General Elections (I remember going to LA airport, as a boy, in 1960 to see JFK), can only remark at what an extraordinary election this has been through both party's primaries as well!

The VP picks in this election were deemed to be of huge import for self evident reasons: both nominees needed worst case scenario successors, one due to age and one due to youth!

The judgement went with Obama picking seemingly the next best qualified to Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and the Biden pick has been largely a non-issue save for underlining Obama's pragmatism.

With the Palin pick, McCain is asking the American voter to have a leap of faith that Palin is ready. Sarah Palin, having never sought or even thought about National Office, might have to assume the Presidency in, what, 5 months time should something tragic happen to John McCain and she was VP to his P. It's a big ask of faith from the voter!

It's a cliff face of a hurdle for Palin to get over, as well,, but the next cliff face of substantive policy and beliefs is an even higher one to get over. Sarah Palin has no policy differences to Vice President Dick Cheney. The country doesn't want four more years of Bush/Cheney policies, even corruption free. Corruption seems to be the only espoused difference - the corruption that Sarah Palin has been concerned about happened on the Bush/Cheney watch. Is that what they mean by a "Reformist" platform? That's what - REFORM- Bush/Cheney stood on in 2000!

Sarah Palin is being sold on a good knowledge of the producer end of the Oil and Gas energy industry, she is a corruption fighter, she is 16 months into the job and already accomplished wonders. With the price of Oil quadrupling how modest was the windfall tax she imposed on Big Oil? She brings a right wing religious orthodoxy that enthuses the Party's base. This is what she brings to the McCain party?

OK, then we go back to candidate McCain. What are some of the things that the pick says about John McCain?

It would appear it says he does not have the strength of character to pick Jo Lieberman who he does think is best qualified for the job; it appears to say that the timing and surprise choice of the Sarah Palin pick was timed to be disruptive to the media play of the Obama acceptance speech. It says that John McCain holds women in contempt as somehow he puts Palin forward, who is a political opposite, as a magnet to disaffected Hillary Clinton supporters. It says by picking Sarah Palin, John McCain is opportunist and impetuous, by his own definition, she is an under qualified VP candidate, albeit and in fairness to him and her, a candidate who is reflective and has been enthusiastically accepted by the right wing Republican Party base.

Whether McCain vetted and gave careful consideration to all the ramifications of Sarah Palin's background in tapping her remains completely open to conjecture. It really does seem that he didn't vett. But let's say he did vett, is exposing Sarah Palin, who has seen so little of life outside of Alaska, and her family, to the national stage, McCain gambling on an unknown, a sign of commendable Presidential judgement or the rash recklessness of a politician desperate for high office?

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SwingVote:

I don't care about Palin family's private matters. However, I am curious about the age of the father since it is a public matter. If he's 18 or older, he may face charges and as the Governor, Sarah Palin should enforce it. She is already under investigation for power abuse, she should be more careful this time.

In my opinion, Lieberman was McCain's pick but Rove did not allow it to happen. Remember Rove calling Lieberman to step aside. Rove is a very smart guy. Democrats need to be very careful dealing with these issues. It may be a trap. The current issues with Palin will be forgotten soon. People's perception may be totally different then.

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KipTin:

Hillarious... you say you do not care and then you want to go after Levi? (Sounds like an obession.) No crime was committed.

FYI: The age of consent in Alaska is 16. This is the age at which an individual may consent to have sex with someone over 18, legally, in Alaska. It applies both to heterosexual and homosexual acts.

Age of consent varies by state, and there seems to be no rhyme or reason, or regional preference for the consent age which varies from 16 to 18.

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KipTin:

Uh... the people most critical of Edwards were his supporters (a lot of volunteers) who felt they were lied to. The other comments were how stupid he was thinking his "affair" would not be revealed. If he had been Presidential or VP nominee when such happened, it would have been very damaging to the Dems.

The comments from the GOP went along the lines of "This shows how scandals happen no matter what political ideology."

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