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Rasmussen: CT, NY, OH, OR (10/14)

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Rasmussen Reports
10/14; Mode: IVR

Connecticut 500 LV, 4.5%
Obama 56, McCain 39

New York 500 LV, 4.5%
Obama 57, McCain 37

Ohio 700 LV, 4%
Obama 49, McCain 49

Oregon 500 LV, 4.5%
Obama 54, McCain 41
Sen: Merkley (D) 47, Smith (R-i) 47

 

Comments
CoralGables:

Sen: Merkley (D) 47, Smith (R-i) 47

Should be listed under Oregon

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faithhopelove:

EVIDENCE THAT VA WILL FLIP FOR OBAMA
(updated w/2 new polls: CNU has Obama ahead of McCain 53.2% to 46.8% [w/leaners]; Zogby has Obama ahead of McCain 51.8% to 44.0%)

1) The 3 most recent VA poll have shown Obama's lead there to range from 6.4% to 10%.

2) 8 consecutive polls of VA (from 7 different pollsters) have shown Obama ahead there. In all 8 of these polls, Obama has hit 50% or better; 10 of the last 11 VA polls have shown Obama at 50% or better.

3) 14 of the last 18 polls of VA have shown Obama ahead there.

4) The latest VA polls show very little room for movement in VA, with both candidates having solidified their bases, and with independents evenly split.

5) Right-leaning Rasmussen's most recent VA poll finds Obama with a "very favorable" score that is 11% higher than McCain's--an enthusiasm gap that suggests Obama's likely voters are even more likely than McCain's likely voters.

6) Before the VA primary, pollsters tended to under-estimate Obama's margin of victory there; Rasmussen, whose most recent poll of VA shows Obama up 3, under-estimated Obama's margin of victory by 11 points.

7) Most if not all VA polls have not included cell-only voters, who are disproportionately young and for Obama; multiple studies have found that this omission leads to an under-estimation of Obama's support by 2-3%. VA has the 3rd-largest cell-only population in the country; see:
/blogs/cell_phone_only_households_by.html

8) According to MSNBC, "[s]ince January, Virginia, a swing state this cycle, has experienced a net gain of 436,000 new voters, including what they call an 'onslaught' of new voters in the last week of registration. Nearly 40 percent of the newly registered voters across the state are under the age of 25. Trends show that, regardless of age, females represent the majority of new registered voters." These trends (more youth, more women) favor Obama.

9) Obama is outspending McCain on advertising in VA by more than 5 to 1; see:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/15/143149/87/186/631381

10) Obama has the backing of 4 of 6 living VA governors, including a Republican former governor and the current governor; he also has the support of one of VA's current senators. Former governor Mark Warner, who is crushing his Republican competition in his senate race (and who was the keynote speaker at the Democratic National Convention), may have reverse coattails.

11) Libertarian candidate Bob Barr, a southerner and former Republican, has targeted VA, visiting the state frequently; he will take some votes from McCain.

12) Obama has the superior ground game in VA, with over 60 field offices; McCain has about 20.

13) Obama leads in VA newspaper endorsements 1 to 0.

14) Obama visits the state this weekend.

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maddiekat:

jonny87

The answer to you question is McCain thinks he has a better chance in PA or NH then he does in Co, NM or Virginia and maybe even Florida.

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boomshak:

McCain surging everywhere.

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jeepdad:

I'd love to see Obama win Ohio, but with Virginia and Iowa looking like probable Obama wins, Ohio is not really necessary.

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kerrchdavis:

lol, all these rethug fools keep saying McCain is surging yet they can't make one single plausible case for him flipping the Electoral college. He is behind in about 8 different battleground states and he has to win them ALL.

what a joke.

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JCK:

Of the competitive states, McCain needs, VA, OH, NC, IN, CO, and FL. Loses in any of those states are pretty much fatal.

Right now, it looks like he has decent shots at OH, NC, and IN.

FL is still leaning Obama. VA and CO look pretty solid.

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Joe Sixpack:

Many of us are questioning the accuracy of the numbers of OH, FL, CO and NV, but not the other ones. Why? Because those numbers are too close for comfort and we don't like them. So we dismiss them or explain them away.

I know, Zogby polls don't have the best reputation, and interactive polls are particularly notorious. But I'm afraid we are suffering from a bout of overconfidence and complacence. While the polls overall show Obama leading in OH, FL and a few other swing states, these leads are by no means insurmountable, if not down right misleading. Mid-October leads are historically very fragile, and races usually tighten as election day approaches. A lead of 3-4%, after some tightening, is no lead at all.

This is why I think McCain is not all bluster when he said he got Obama "where he wants him" (that's an exaggeration of course; maybe McCain is still thinking like a pilot and wanting to tail the opponent in a dogfight). His chances are slim but real. Anything can happen in the next 20-odd days, and this Joe the Plumber thing may yet catch fire (anyone who watched him speak should have no doubt as to who he'll vote for). Finally, like it or not McCain is a survivor. He survived three plane crashes, North Vietnam, Charles Keating, Election 2000 and primary 2008.

This is no time to be overconfident, complacent, cocky, giddy, etc. Please keep donating money, time and effort to push Obama through. Votes win elections, polls don't.

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RussTC3:

Here are the comparisons:

Connecticut, 10/14 (9/16)
Obama 56 (53)
McCain 39 (41)
+3 Obama, -2 McCain = 5 point Obama Swing

New York, 10/14 (9/15)
Obama 57 (55)
McCain 37 (42)
+2 Obama, -5 McCain = 7 point Obama Swing

Ohio, 10/14 (9/23)
McCain 49 (47)
Obama 49 (46)
+2 McCain, +3 Obama = 1 point Obama Swing

Oregon, 10/14 (10/9)
Obama 54 (54)
McCain 41 (43)
n/c Obama, -2 McCain = 2 point Obama Swing

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thoughtful:

So this Ras poll caused Ohio to go back to toss up. Ok lets redouble our effort.

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alankeyesisawesome:

Hahaha,
I am loving the libs on this board SQUIRMING with Obama's poor performance. They can't cope with the fact that their socialist candidate may actually lose, and he won't have the opportunity to squander this nation's hope with 4 more years of the same policies that have put us where we are today. As Reagan said, "it's morning in America!!!!"

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IndependentThinker:

@boomshak

You're desperately looking for good news but in the meantime state polls show anything but McCain's SURGE
McCain is SURGING so much that he's going to campaign in NC, MO, IN, VA, CO and according the 2 last ND polls Obama is ahead

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muckinello:

McCain will surge to lose by a landslide

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Oldy75:

The McCain election surge isn't working...

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serpounce:

I believe the last Rasmussen poll of OH had McCain up by 1%, so it's not really true that this show he is "surging," but OH is going to be a very close state, and McCain could very well win it.

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RussTC3:

serpounce
Yup. All four of these polls show movement to Obama.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Oldy75

Sorry you have trouble believing the polls...just take another dose of your liberal delusion pills and you should be fine...Courtesy of the pharmaceutical industry of course, which you wish to destroy. Don't you think people have a right get cured medicine? Why shouldn't a company be allowed to develop drugs to cure the sick? In your case, mental sickness.

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alankeyesisawesome:

I can't believe that Obama is still launching personal attacks on Joe the plumber! This shows that they are in a desperate state and can't stick to the issues.

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muckinello:

Pa +16 for Obama today, VA +6. McCain is toast

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PortlandRocks:

VA will be announced early on the 4th. WOW WOW WOW!

Pollster Dates N/Pop McCain Obama Barr McKinney Nader Undecided Other Margin
CNN/Time 10/11-14/08 698 LV 43 53 - - - 3 1 +10D
Christopher Newport U 10/11-14/08 500 LV 43 49 - - - 8 - +6D
Zogby (Internet) 10/9-13/08 872 LV 44 52 - - - 4 - +8D
FOX/Rasmussen 10/12/08 1000 LV 47 50 1 0 0 2 - +3D
PPP (D) 10/6-7/08 917 LV 43 51 - - - 6 - +8D
FOX/Rasmussen 10/5/08 1000 LV 48 50 1 0 0 1 - +2D
SurveyUSA 10/4-5/08 666 LV 43 53 - - - 1 3 +10D
Suffolk 10/3-5/08 600 LV 39 51 0 0 0 9 - +12D
Mason-Dixon 9/29-10/1/08 625 LV 48 45 - - - - - +3R

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IndependentThinker:

@alankeyesisawesome

You're definitely a SCUMBAG, I've been reading your comments on this blog and was astonished that you can't come up with something constructive that sounds smart and worthwhile
Nobody cares that you voted for Bush twice and you are willing to vote for his policies 3 times in a row.Hopefully there will be enough smart votes to offset yours

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alankeyesisawesome:

@IndependentThinker

Actually, I wasn't registered to vote until the 2006 election ...Politics is a relatively new hobby for me.

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PortlandRocks:

alankeyesisawesome you IDIOT. WHAT polls? I see a Ras Ohio where Obama gained. I see VA just about DONE for the Rethuglicans. WHAT polls are encouraging to you for an electoral victory?

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muckinello:

Millions are voting early already. For those, no hope of a boom surge.

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PortlandRocks:

Ok folks. Will EVERYONE P R O M I S E to b e on this post Nov. 4th, in the evening? PROMISE? I am willing to bet at least 5 won't. There will be NOTHING to spin over.

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joethedummer:

the rebs cant defend virgina?

oh dear poor poor general leeeee!

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MileHigh:

@Joe Sixpack-

You're damn right! Let's stop high-fiving and finish these clowns. Right now we need resolve and killer instinct. Remember how you felt in 2000 and 2004? I sure do. Wouldn't it be great if the Reich-wingers had a taste? If Obama can really get the lobbyists out of the system(which I have my doubts), the GOP is done.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@PortlandRocks

Well, this poll shows that McCain is tied in Ohio with Obama..with the margin of error he could be up 4 points!!!!!

Additionally, you may remember this poll in Ohio...
Zogby (Internet)
10/9-13/08
1018 LV
McCain 50
Obama 45

As the margin of error in that poll is +/- 3%, McCain could be AHEAD BY 8 POINTS!!!!

Read it and weep libs!

BTW, no need for the namecalling. Just goes to show you that you can't win on merit...makes you look very bad indeed.

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Oldy75:

alankeyesisawesome:

@Oldy75

Sorry you have trouble believing the polls...just take another dose of your liberal delusion pills and you should be fine...Courtesy of the pharmaceutical industry of course, which you wish to destroy. Don't you think people have a right get cured medicine? Why shouldn't a company be allowed to develop drugs to cure the sick? In your case, mental sickness.

You right I personally want to destroy the entire Pharmaceutical industry, because I like to pretend I am a scientologist(though I am not). Other industries I would like to destroy:

1. Ice Cream Industry
2. Shoe Industry(Shoes like the politico web site are extremely overrated)
3. Indoor plumbing(sorry Joe)

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MileHigh:

@ Portland Rocks-

I'll be there with bells on. There's nowhere I'd rather be.

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maddiekat:

alankeyesisawesome

My guess is you about 5.7 160 pounds, you live in your parents basement, your whole life you were considered a geek, never had a girl friend, your unemployed, and you spend your days in your parents basement in your mothers underwear writing your crappy post when your not looking at porn sites

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sotonightthatimightsee:

OHIO'S COMING HOME TO PAPA MACK!!!!!!!!!

TRY WINNING WITHOUT IT OBAMADROIDS!!!!!

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NorthernObserver:
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Oldy75:

In all seriousness lets talk about the claims Obama is a socialist:

Do you consider Ike, Kennedy, LBJ, Nixon, Ford and Carter socialists?
Why would I ask such a question, when clearly many of these men were instrumental in holding off the communists?
The top bracket income tax rate when Ike and Kennedy were president was 91%(as Joe Biden would say let me repeat 71%). In 1964 LBJ lowered the tax rate to 70%(1964 Revenue Act), where it stayed for Nixon, Ford and Carter. Reagan in 1981 spearheaded the lowering of the tax to 50% and then in 1986 28%. In the 1990s it rose again to 39.6% and currently stands at 35%(not 33% as often gets reported). (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax_in_the_United_States). So Obama is a socialist for wanting to raise the rate back to 39.6%? The truth of the matter is that the last 28 years has overseen the largest redistribution of wealth in American history, but it is not in a socialist fashion but instead an old style European Aristocratic strategy. The facts don’t support Obama as anything close to a socialist and since this is Thursday I need to ask the following two questions of both the writer of this article( CHARLES HURT) and Joe the Plumber(who is neither in the top tax bracket or a registered voter). 1. Is every president from 1939-1981 a socialist? 2. Hey Buddy!, Who are you Crapping?

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Oldy75

Har Har Har...
What an AWFUL attempt at sarcasm...you liberals don't make very good comedians at all...good thing we have folks like Dennis Miller on our side.

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CHill:

Can you guys please quit feeding the troll (keys). He's maybe all of 20 and is living in his mother's basement getting his rocks off by throwing RNC trash...

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Oldy75:

I do a pretty good Dennis Miller, and actually I am not a Liberal but nice try.

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PortlandRocks:

sotonightthatimightsee if we lose OH we have hmmm let's see. COLORADO, FLORIDA, MISSOURI, VIRGINIA, hmm what else? LOL You guys are so desperate. Did you know ONE TIME IN HISTORY a candidate came back from this kind of overal lead in the polls? Reagan. Who's Reagan this year? Obama or McCain? Hmmmm LOL Pathetic.

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Oldy75:

Hey Alan Keyes doesn't live with his mom. He lives with his life partner former Republican Presidential candidate Gary Bauer.

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ticketstub:

@ sotonightthatimight see

Just look at the electoral map on this front page. Now toss Ohio to McCain. Which candidate is looking like they're winning?

I actually think Ohio WILL go for McCain this time around. But I also think Florida and Colorado will go Obama, so it wont matter.

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PortlandRocks:

I always liked Tucker Carlson. He can see the writing on the wall for the GOP. Any intelligent human being could. Up 8 on AVERAGE in VA! That's not ONE poll..that's a freakin' average! Who woulda thunk it?

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boomshak:

Google beat earnings. Big day on Wall Street tomorrow.

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Oldy75:

Tucker Carlson is an idiot, doesn't he know that we retired the bow tie when former Illinois Senator Paul Simon passed away?

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alankeyesisawesome:

Once again, I am not Alan Keyes....I just happen to be one of his biggest fans, hence the sn...stop calling me Alan Keyes!

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PortlandRocks:

The beauty of BRILLIANT OBAMA. OH won't decide the fate of the United States this time. Why trust them to? They gave us BUSH twice.

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PortlandRocks:

Boom**** I wonder if everyone will get updated 401K statements before the election? ROFL!

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Oldy75:

You are Alan Keyes.

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kdc_va:

I believe it's true that all these polls show slight movement to Obama since the last version from the same pollster. That means these don't represent any kind of surge for McCain, although the national ones seem to indicate small movement.

Evidence McCain is desperate--My wife just got a robocall saying "Obama is closely associated with the bomber of the U.S. Capitol, Pentagon, etc." (btw--Didn't McCain say in the debate he didn't care about an old washed-up terrorist?) I live in Arlington, VA, which is rather blue. I think they're micro-targeting is a bit off--unless they think because I'm an USMC OIF vet, I might pull the lever for McCain.

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PortlandRocks:

God am I evil? WHY DO I LOVE WATCHING THE RIGHT EAT THEIR OWN?

McCain's 96-year-old Aunt Rowena talks to The Daily Beast about press bias and why she gets a kick out of Bill Clinton.

“He’s losing,” Rowena Willis, John McCain’s 96-year old aunt said.

Her stark assessment, in an interview with The Daily Beast, echoes that of her identical twin sister Roberta, McCain’s mother, who told a crowd at a campaign rally in Virginia this week to “pray for a miracle.”

Speaking from her home in Los Angeles, Mrs. Willis says her sister has been distraught over her son’s campaign. The twins have been speaking regularly on the phone, trading assessments of the McCain campaign.

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vmval1:

@ Boomshak & Alankeyes...
Will you guys both please make an undertaking right now that you will be here on the night of Nov 4.

Boomshak: McCain is surging everywhere?!? Have you lost any little semblance of sanity you had?? Obama will up 2 tomorrow again, and we wil be back to status quo. I see you've stopped mentioning your beloved intrade which has Obama at 84 and McCain at 16.

AlanKeyes.... You make Boomshak look rational. That is quite an achievement.

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Oldy75:

Watch out Alan Keyes is out for revenge after Obama spanked him in 2004:

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Oldy75:

One of my favorite Alan Keyes moments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtBQoi4X4N8

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PortlandRocks:

McCain's a disgusting old man. I, in all seriousness, used to respect him. He might have well had a chance in this election if he would have run his campaign like a true Maverick the ENTIRE time. He didn't. He sold out to ROVE and the Bush gang. Good Bye GOP. What the hell will you do for 8 years?

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thoughtful:

Now is the time to put those hard earned $s and invest in John McCain, got to be best value at $16 against Obama's $84? now's the time Boomer

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Oldy75:

Even when Alan Keyes is right about something(other than this video I know of no other time he was) he manages to screw it up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYDj6P_QgBY

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alankeyesisawesome:

@vmval1
I will try to be here, though be forewarned...I will probably be out there celebrating :-)

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Oldy75:

More Alan Keyes crazy laughing at him is some much fun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9BA7i3sgCU

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douglasdao:

Sir,

I know Alan Keyes. You, sir, are no Alan Keyes.

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vmval1:

@alankeyesisawesome:

Celebrating? I always knew you were a closet Obama supporter. :)

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Viperlord:

You people are crazy if you think McCain is surging. http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/538s-battlegrounds-as-of-mid-october.html

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Viperlord:

douglasdo: EPIC WIN!

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alankeyesisawesome:

@vmval1

No, I will be celebrating a McCain win! Also looking forward to Republicans taking back seats in the House and senate...since their approval rating is only 12%.

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douglasdao:

On the subject of Alan Keyes:

U.S. SENATE / ILLINOIS / 2004

CANDIDATE VOTE VOTE %

Obama 3,597,456 70%

Keyes 1,390,690 27%

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/IL/S/01/

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mysticlaker:

R2000/DKOS

Chambliss (R) 47 (45)
Martin (D) 45 (44)
Buckley (L) 5 (n/a)


McCain (R) 49 (50)
Obama (D) 43 (43)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/182012/46/666/632935

Georgia will be hard for Obama. Possible, but hard.

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Viperlord:

I'll be celebrating Senator Obama's victory with you guys if I can, and if, as seems extremely likely, will happen.

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boomshak:

Did Barack "Spread the Wealth" Obama Just Blow the Election?

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2008/10/16/did-barack-spread-the-wealth-obama-just-blow-the-election.html

October 16, 2008 11:37 AM ET | James Pethokoukis

No. Really. You're kidding me. Barack Obama actually told that Joe the Plumber guy that he wants to "spread the wealth around." What, did Obama just get done reading the Wikipedia entry on Huey "Share the Wealth" Long or something? Was he somehow channeling that left-wing populist from the Depression? Talk about playing into the most extreme stereotype of your party, that it is infested with socialists.

A while back I chatted with a University of Chicago professor who was a frequent lunch companion of Obama's. This professor said that Obama was as close to a full-out Marxist as anyone who has ever run for president of the United States. Now, I tend to quickly dismiss that kind of talk as way over the top. My working assumption is that Obama is firmly within the mainstream of Democratic politics. But if he is as free with that sort of redistributive philosophy in private as he was on the campaign trail this week, I have no doubt that U of C professor really does figure him as a radical. And after last night's debate, a few more Americans might think that way, too. McCain's best line: "Now, of all times in America, we need to cut people's taxes. We need to encourage business, create jobs, not spread the wealth around."

And by the way, I just noticed that the IBD/TIPP poll, the most accurate in 2004, has McCain down by just 3 points. If the contest is perceived by the voters as a contest between a wealth redistributor and a wealth creator, then it could be a long night come Nov. 4. This is still a center-right country, gang. Note this Gallup poll from June:

When given a choice about how government should address the numerous economic difficulties facing today's consumer, Americans overwhelmingly—by 84% to 13%—prefer that the government focus on improving overall economic conditions and the jobs situation in the United States as opposed to taking steps to distribute wealth more evenly among Americans.

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vmval1:

@alankeyesisawesome:

A McCain win? Ah of course! You mean in the retention of his senate seat. You're right... the Republicans will be taking a back seat in the Senate and the House.

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douglasdao:

Thanks, Viperlord. It will be fun the next 19 days watching the Reactionaries sputter and get increasingly desperate. Then a huge celebration party for America Nov.4 when Obama becomes President-elect. Then the biggest party of all, January 20, 2009 - when we can finally rid ourselves of Bush & Cheney and usher in a new era for America and the world with President Obama.

Then of course, the hard work begins, because Bush & Cheney have left our world with one hell of a mess to fix.

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Viperlord:

Yeah, I'm under no illusions everything they and the neoconservatives did can be fully fixed within four years. It's going to be amusing to watch boom and the neocon gang go into a frenzy over slight movement in cherrypicked national polls, while battleground states continue to hold steady.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@boomshak

What...is this supposed to be news...that Obama is a Marxist? I think it was pretty obvious all along.

And if this Marxist wins the election, it will be terrible to see all the collaborations that will go on between Obama and Hugo Chavez, as well as Fidel Castro. He will probably cede Florida to Castro.

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axt113:

Since obama won the debate yesterday I expect his numbers to bounce back up ahead of McCain, and McCain's to fall again

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Dana Adini:

The McCain Strategy:

Everybody is wondering what the hell is Campaign is still doing in PA where 16 consecutive polls show him behind in double digits.

It's evdident that when he fell behind in the polls after the convention they figured it would be impossible to defend every state. So the said let's win PA (where it was pretty close) and NH and if we can still win even if we lose either Florida or Ohio. TRhey figured the other Red states would fall in line as the race tightened nationally and if the didn't what the difference between losing close or losing by a landslide. As PA slipped away the strategy didn't change, not enough money or time to defend 8 red states.

They also didn't figure that Virginia would change beyond the national trend and that Obama would have a lead Beyond the MOE.

I think the Obama camp is happy that McCain is spending resources and time in PA, so they are playing along. It's real curious that an internal Obama polls makes it's by accident to a conservative talk show host showing they are only + 2. As long as the GOP states in PA they cant defend VA, MO, NC, NV, CO

That's the only logical explanation i can find

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Viperlord:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008 Throwing around insults and false labels is surely a sign of desperation.

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chgo1:

Another dumbass move by the McFossil campaign. They get a plant, AKA, Joe the Plumber, who is NOT a plumber (does not have a valid license in Ohio) and owes back taxes. Even more bizarre, it is alleged that he is related to Charles Keating. Only the GOP could come up with this.

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081016/NEWS09/810160418

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orange24:

TRY WINNING WITHOUT OH OBAMADROIDS!!!!!

Actually, it's really easy to win without OH. Anyone can go to any one of a thousand or more website and look at Electoral projections. Really, they're out there. Go and see.

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vmval1:

@alankeyesisawesome:

Of course he's a marxist. On the 21st of January, he will socialise absolutely everything in the country. Kids at all schools will have to wear uniforms, everyone earning more than 20,000 will be taxed 80% and their wealth will be redistributed to the people.

In fact, I read a rumour at rampantlydelusionalreds.com that he is going to tear down all private housing and replace it with identical homes for everyone. the same site actually says that Harry Reid and Pelosi have been soviet sleepers for the duration of their tenure in the house and senate.

He also will naturalize Putin and make him an American citizen. Then he'll Make Joe Biden stand down as VP, and appoint Putin.

Yep. You Betcha

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MNlatteliberal:

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/10/john_mccain_david_letterman_1.html

"McCain to Letterman: "I screwed up" - but I thought that the best part of being American according to the Caribou Barbie is never having to apologize. WTF?

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Paul:

More on Virginia:
Based on today's Zogby internals, adjusted for the 2004 exit poll:

By gender alone: Obama +9
By ideology alone: Obama +3
By race alone: Obama +7
By party ID: Obama +7

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JCK:

@Dana,

I think that is exactly right. PA was pretty close back in Sept.

McCain NEEDS the national polls to close. He's only got 19 (make that 18) days left to make a move.

If the national polls go back to close to tied, NC, IN, and MO will be out of reach for Obama. OH and FL, in all likelihood as well.

Obama will then need to play for at least one of VA and CO.

That's Obama's worst case scenario.

McCain's scenario has a LOT of "ifs" in it. Obama just needs to maintain; McCain needs a lot to fall in place.


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MNlatteliberal:

The first thing President Barack Obama will do is subpoena all the IP addresses from pollster.com to weed out the trolls. Then, in a TRUE Marxist-Leninist tradition, he will line them up against the wall Beria-like and have them executed. Then he will execute all the relatives of the trolls and anyone even vaguely resembling a troll.

And if you trolls had even an ounce of self-preservation instinct, you would not be on here, you'd be door knocking/phone banking for McCain to at least to try to avoid the horrible fate that awaits you at the hands of President Barack Obama.

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douglasfactors:

The trolling on this site is approaching Politico levels.

It's essentially a denial of service attack.

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Paul:

More on Missouri:
Based on today's Zogby internals, adjusted for the 2004 exit poll:

By ideology: Obama +7

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Ryguy:

there have been several times during this campaign where ive thought that mccain thinks hes running in the 1930's. this is one of them. honestly people... youre really falling in love with... joe the plummer? really? well then again you guys fell in love with mccain "suspending" his campaign. this is hilarious though. why not just call him Joe Everyman. just you average american with 2.5 kids, a lovely blonde wife, a white picket fence, and a dog.
"senator mccain... due to the failed policies of your running mate... i was forced to eat my own eye balls for christmas dinner!"
everyone gasps!

we really need to focus now on joe the plummer? do i even need to get into the fact that this entire scenario is... MADE UP!? there is no joe the plummer. his name isnt joe. hes not a licensed plummer, and for gods sake, hes not in the upper tax bracket, he doesnt own his own business, and hes not an independent voter! hes a registered republican who voted in the primaries. this is mythology! and its melting your republican hearts. you dont think that obama can do the same thing? peggy the student... jack the cancer victim, Chris the soldier. this is the ace? its the most pathetic thing youve come up with yet...

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Viperlord:
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fed:

At what time does normally Drudge post the zogby results?

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Ryguy:

excuse me, i meant to spell it plumber of course... brain fart. in my defense i have a terrible head cold and im a bit out of it.

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RussTC3:

Being an Ohioan myself, I'm extremely happy that our state is no longer so important.

No state is more important than the others. Obama made the right move to not just go after Ohio, but to compete in other states as well.

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UpstateProgressive:

McCain Surging? Hmm, what does Mark Blumenthal say in his current Morning Update?

The pattern at the state level remained consistent with we have seen since mid-September. Of the 18 new surveys that track previous results from the same pollster, and 13 show net movement to Obama, 3 to McCain and 2 show no change. Only three of the statewide polls represent updates since early October, and all three show net shifts to the Obama-Biden ticket.

Some may doubt it, but the above is what an objective reading of the facts would appear to lead to. Some wingnuts may still be grasping at straws--and it's an entertaining phenomenon to observe--but it's hard to read the Virginia polls, for example, and avoid the conclusion that McCain is tanking. And McCain almost can't win without VA.

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marctx:

POST DEBATE BLUES...Its not as much fun to post when McCain is this far behind. It is funny to read the overconfidence of the Obama gang, but more pathetic to read spinning a one or two point swing for McCain.

Drudge: GALLUP SHOCK: 49 OBAMA, 47 MCCAIN WITH LIKELY VOTERS...pa-lease...I need to see 5+ polls confirming this to get excited.

But considering this was the last debate, can't these flacky undecideds pick a candidate already!

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OneAngryDwarf:

What is up with all the trolls lately? There dude is getting spanked and now they are swarming?

Yikes!!!

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kerrchdavis:

roflmao! I was watching those Alan Keyes videos. What a friggin nutcase. This completely explains why our pollster Alan is a moron. If you can support a character like that, you have to be completely brain dead.

I love when he tries to explain the "marriage in principle" argument and he starts talking about apples and worms and what not. Obama, in the meantime, is sitting there with an expression on his face that says: this is the best opponent they could come up with? THIS joke?

of course, Obama goes on to completely decimate Alan Keyes in the election, handing him a political beating of biblical proportions, at which point Alan Keyes is wondering if there really is a god since no god could possibly have let him lose to such a liberal!

@alankeyesisawesome

I would be mad too if I were you buddy. For Obama to destroy your candidate so badly you must still be hurting. Unfortunately, your history of losing isn't going to end. Haven't you gotten tired of supporting candidates that get their butt kicked by Obama?

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maddiekat:

Drude the sludge must not be very excited to show the Zogby result for tomorrow.

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KipTin:

Well, marctx... Today CNN was discussing the Gallup Poll because it has shown movement. The race is tightening up again. Apparently internal polls from both camps confirm such according to the journalists who travel with these candidates. Yes, Obama is still ahead, but not by that much. As Candy Crowley said, the Obama campaign is smart enough to know elections can turn on a dime.

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kerrchdavis:

If Alan Keyes is anti-homosexuality, why does he sound so gay?

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axt113:

The McCain fans should celebrate while they can, because this is the high point for them, yes some of the polls show a tightening race and even this Ohio poll shows a tie for McCain and Obama, but a few facts, first Rasmussen has always given McCain favorable numbers in Ohio, so if the best he can manage is a tie, well that's not so good, in addition while some of the trackers show a tighter race, others don't and even if it is tighter, its still favoring Obama by a large amount, more than 5 points, according to Pollster, RCP and 538, and finally McCain lost the debate, according to the polls and focus groups, so Obama's numbers are likley to go up in the coming days, not to mention he has that half an hour block in about two weeks were he can address the nation one on one, another chance for him to pump up his numbers with an amazing speech about the economy. So yeah, enjoy while you can McCain supporters, because from here on out its all Obama.

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KipTin:

Please...chgo1... get a reality check. How can "Joe the Plumber" be a McCain plant when it was Obama who was canvassing Joe's neighborhood? And it was Obama's own words about "spreading the wealth" in response to Joe's question that is relevant. "Joe the Plumber" is now a metaphorical tool used to hammer Obama... ergo details of the real Joe's life are meaningless to the message.

P.S. The piling on Joe by the Huffington Post and the rest of Obamanation is not helping Obama at all, and probably may be hurting. Probably will help McCain with the blue collar votes.

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marctx:

Thanks KipTin: my fellow crossover (like Donald Trump) for the pick me up.

But WTF with these 14 & 13 point lead polls??? If McCain can't get to an average 3 point deficit really soon its over.

BTW: As a biased person, I thought McCain did great in the debate. The Joe the plumber stuff was awesome. It dominated the news cycle today.

Obama reminded people that are getting "cocky" to remember NH were he had a big lead and lost. Maybe McCain can shed some tears before the election like Hillary...lol!

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MNlatteliberal:

anybody watching Alfred E Smith Dinner speeches by McCain and Obama? Now here is a forum where they are BOTH doing GREAT!

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wakeup:

The ghost of Heuy Long just in time for Halloween.

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Oldy75:

kerrchdavis,

I am glad to see that there is some appreciation for just how crazy Alan Keyes is, and these videos are just the tip of the iceberg. It just goes to show 27% of the people in my great state of IL are morons. My favorite part is when he goes to explain how if two women adopt a baby that baby will never know its father and therefore they will commit incest against it. But even better than that during the 2004 campaign he went on a local radio show said they homosexuals are hedonists that live in sin and when the interviewer asked him if his lesbain daughter is a hedonist and living in sin, he walked out on the interview. Classic Alan Keyes moment.

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wakeup:

MN,
they both were golden.

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MNlatteliberal:

@KipTin:
"Please...chgo1... get a reality check. How can "Joe the Plumber" be a McCain plant when it was Obama who was canvassing Joe's neighborhood?"

Kip, lemme illustrate. And I am not saying that Joe is or isn't a McPlant. But here is a scenario: Obama's going around, canvassing, knocking on doors. McCampaign gets a wind of it, and sends in Joe. Or, more likely, Joe, being a Republican, gets a wind of Obama in the area, decides to stir something up and casually strolls towards Obama and starts the question. Kinda like I would, were I to see Ms. Palin.

But unlike closed access to Caribou Bambi after that cheese steak incident in Philly, Obama turns out to be pretty accessible. So here is Joe "not quite" the plumber, strolling towards McCain with his right wing talking points. Who wound up Joe the talking plumber is another issue, but it is clear from the video that it was Joe who approached Barack.

Hope this helps.
Toodles

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MNlatteliberal:

boom, do we agree on something? wow.

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wakeup:

In think Obama should go knock on a few more doors since that worked out so well for him.

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zotz:

I heard somewhere that there are 2 to 3 percent that have no idea who they are going to vote for and often they don't make their minds up until election day. In the last three weeks the challenge is to get inside these people's heads. They can decide based on the most trivial reasons but in this cycle I think fear about the economy is the dominant issue.

Obama has (so far) been incredibly lucky. I voted against him (for Hillary) because I didn't think he could get elected. By this time in 2004 I think I knew Kerry would lose. But he had perhaps a one out of ten chance. Now the Reps are in that same position.

I know you are suffering.
Heh-heh-heh-heh.

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MNlatteliberal:

@kerrchdavis:
"If Alan Keyes is anti-homosexuality, why does he sound so gay?"

Please! Did you see him in the starring role during the gayest segment of BORAT? Alan Keys was natural explaining to Borat about homosexuality, gay pride and the proper use of a rubber fist. One of the funniest bits in a very funny movie.

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wakeup:

MN,
The only factor supporting the plant theory is how smooth he is in an interview...

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marctx:

Hey,

Does anyone know anything about the supreme court deal about the 200,000 OH voters in limbo? Does that favor Obama or McCain?

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup, not only the smoothness, but the way how completely un-vetted Joe was by McCampaign: no license, back taxes, lien, wrong income bracket, wrong demo and no plans for actually buying the business in question per se.

You tell me that DOES NOT smell of McCain campaign modus operandi? I submit to you one Ms Palin and one Ms Ifill as evidence. Mr Plumber makes a nice addition to this anthology of vetting.

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Oldy75:

I am starting a new 527 Plumbers for Truth

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wakeup:

marctx,
regarding Ohio and the Supreme Court. The papers were sent to Justice Stevens. I hear that he could make a decision without the other Justices, or he could call for a hearing. Time is of the essence.
MN,
Joe said he wants to buy a specific plumbing busines. No license... what a monster, maybe he should denounce his citizenship to get one, back taxes... Nixonian tactics to destroy a plumber? You have got to admit he interviews well.

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wakeup:

Joe the Plumber was a simple way to help Mccain on the economy. The more you hear the word 'taxes' the more it hurts Obama.

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zotz:

I don't know if you guys care about these things but The WP has just endorced Obama.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/16/AR2008101603436.html?nav=hcmodule

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sunnymi:

This is from a resident of North Carolina
-----------------------------------------
I live in Charlotte NC, where today is the first day of early voting. I drove by two polling places before 8 this morning and they were both completely mobbed. My husband has driven to two others in his attempt to vote today, and the scene has been so ridiculous that he has given up and will try again next week. At two of the spots where he tried to vote, he witnessed and was approached by two exceedingly aggressive McCain/Palin volunteers who were pulling people out of line, handing out brochures, and telling them "You really need to think carefully about your vote. If you plan to vote Obama, we would ask that you read this material and reconsider your vote."

At one location, after approaching my husband aggressively, these volunteers were forcefully asked to leave by an employee and were told the police would be called if they did not cease and desist.

None of this is indicative of anything, obviously. I just thought it was interesting. I have voted in three presidential races since I have lived in Charlotte, and I have never been approached by anyone campaiging so close to a polling location. Desperation, perhaps?

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maddiekat:

McCain is surging..He just made it to 15.5 on Intrade..Lol

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Ryguy:

mccain and obama were hilarious tonight. nuff said

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mj1:

@Sen Lieberman:

Take a good look at those Conn numbers. They will be yours on the short side in about 2 years. You really screwed the people of Connecticut over you turncoat. Your a$$ is new mown grass.

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup, the whole idea for mccain to hang his campaign hat on a plumber is idiotic, even if said plumber is qualified. i will explain lower. this plumber has been working without a license in a county that requires one. who cares, right?
he did not apprentice and been doing apparently questionable work. who cares, right? he owes back taxes. who cares, right? well, some people apparently do. those who like facts.

but here is a larger picture of why the whole plumber thing is just bad pub for mccain:
1) the immediate association of your average joe six pack and jane hockey mom with plumbers is NEGATIVE. calling a plumber is a MAJOR hustle, it is expensive, it is typically under stressful circumstances. so the subconscious association is BAD, like with a root canal, like with a dentist. gut reaction - negative.

2) a plumber visit is expensive. a typical housewife is paying 300 bucks or so to watch joe's butt crack as he unclogs the drain or the toilet. another unpleasant visual, another crappy association: money + ****

3) as average folks in the focus groups have shown (CNN instant response, polls, focus group interviews), Americans cannot empathize with the plight of a $280,000/yr plumber who might have to pay another 3% more in taxes. they have bigger problems. to them a dude who bitches about paying tax on quarter of a mil is a pussy, he is no better than a wall street thief who raped their 401K

See? Not a good plumber to hang your hat on. McCain is better off with cops and firemen and 9/11. Plumbers are too shaky. wrong demo. wrong associations. just plain ****.

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wakeup:

MN,
Take a good look at who you just attacked. The word is 'taxes' and it should be discussed. Obama should be more specific in his tax plans if he wants his supporters to stop attacking plumbers. If you are pro-plumber's license, are you pro driver's license for illegals?

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marctx:

An interesting historic fact is that the most popular governor in America, who some sexist intolerant bigots might call "Caribou Barbie" had the highest VP debate ratings in history AND the second highest PRESIDENTIAL debate viewership in history. Last place, Joe what's his name acceptance speech was what Neilson might call BORING!

Self proclaimed "boneheaded" Obama can't even draw a bigger viewership than the new superstar.

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Mannie:

I think the tide maybe turning against BO. They should not be dancing in the end zone. This thing is far from over. If the tide turns in OH, it will not take long before PA starts to change and then IN will be right behind. I hope I am dead wrong about this, but we will soon see what the polls say.
McCain might have bought himself another chance.
How sad!

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Mannie:

This is my first name posting comments here and I have to admit, there are many thoughtful and decent people on this blog with the exception of a few.

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BarackO'Clinton:

Just to put things in perspective:

2004 polls during this same week:

Newsweek: Bush +6
GW Battleground: Bush +3
Time: Bush +1
CNN/USA Today: Bush +8
ABC/Wash Post: TIED
CBS/NYT: Bush +2
Harris: Bush +5
NBC/WSJ: TIED

Average: Bush +3.1%
Today: Obama +7.6%

So, sorry trolls.

McCain is not "surging" his slide has merely halted...for today.

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OneAngryDwarf:

What is up with Fixed News smearing Colin Powell today? I heard that they basically threw the AA stereotype on him and said he wasn't their chosen one anymore.

Why do I get the feeling that he's going to endorse Obama soon?

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bmrKY:

"alankeyesisawesome:
@Oldy75

Sorry you have trouble believing the polls..."

No, that's your and boom****s job.

RAS still uses 2004 data for the states, which is an advantage for the republicans... and the best McCain can manage is a tie in Ohio, a state Obama doesn't even need.

I repeat, it doesn't matter what the popular vote outcome is, even though Obama is going to win the popular vote. How many times do we have to explain this to you neo-con nut cases:

Kerry + Iowa + New Mexico + one of the following:

Missouri
Colorado
Florida
Virginia
North Carolina
Ohio
Nevada
West Virginia
Indiana

Equals game over for McCain, regardless of the popular vote outcome. Pennsylvania is a pipe dream for McCain. It will be closer than the polls show, but still a 6-8 point Obama win when it's all said and done. Explain to me how, with all of the current state polling numbers factored in, McCain wins in the electoral college? You can't do it. Obama's 30 minutes on the 29th will be the final nail in the McCain campaign coffin and will lock up several of those states. It will leave a very compassionate, warm, "Presidential" image of Obama in the minds of the American people, and the beauty of it is that McCain will not be able to do enough character attacks on Obama in the five days that follow to sway any of the undecideds. McCain will go full blast negative, and he will fall flat on his face... AGAIN. It's the Electoral College, STUPID!

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wakeup:

Some people have no idea what is over the horizon...

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timontheleft:

@marctx

She has certainly fired up the base; no one can argue with that. But, I wouldn't assume that everyone LIKES her just because the ratings were high for the debate. The debate came right after the incredibly bad Katie Couric interview. Those ratings may have come from a lot of people wanting to see if she could just get through the debate - or people tuning in hoping to see a train wreck.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@wakeup

I thought you were a member of the Flat Earth Society and didn't believe in the horizon?

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RussTC3:

The fight for the one electoral vote of Nebraska-02 remains close:

Anzalone Liszt, 10/13-15 (7/27-8/02)
McCain 48 (46)
Obama 44 (42)

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OneAngryDwarf:

@timontheleft

Sad but true. I think you hit the nail on the head there. They weren't showing up expecting greatness, they were showing up to see if she would completely flame-out.

Probably not a great statement on human nature no matter how you feel about her.

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup, as you obviously already know, what i wrote is not an attack on plumbers. i laid out a pretty simple and straightforward argument why it is idiotic for mccain to place his bet where he did. i gave you three reasoned out points. you snap back to your talking points. you may agree or disagree with my reasoning why audience response was what it was, but to call it an attack on plumbers is returning the conversation back to the troll level.

you may have an entirely different set of reasons why mccain tanked last night with his joe the plumber, or you may choose to ignore all the evidence and facts and say that mccain hit a homerun with his folksy plumber lapel pin of a story. but to revert to "attack" and "taxes" is a non-sequitor. gimme some substance, troll.

the bottom line is mccain is in the toilet, and the plumber only helped to stuff him deeper there. a reasonable mccain supporter would want to figure out a)how mccain got into that **** hole and then b) how to get out of that **** hole. Then, optionally, c) how not to get into the same **** hole again. closing your eyes and denying the **** hole by calling it an attack on plumbers - well, be my guest. stay in your **** hole. that's the flip side of plumbing, after all.


btw, the plumbers really do not care what MNlatteLiberal thinks of them, nor do i what they think of me. that is utterly irrelevant. that being said, however, the pres. of Joe's county plumbing group, is somewhat pissed at Joe for the reasons i outlined. is another plumber's sentiment and negative reaction to Joe also an attack on plumbers? Really.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@MN

Are you trying to evangelize to the trolls again. Silly MN reason is for the left, the right only responds to fear.

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wakeup:

Palin is a plus, her speeches announce to the surrogates what it is okay to go negative on. She said Ayers... we talked about Ayers. I wonder what could be next???

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bmrKY:

"marctx:
An interesting historic fact is that the most popular governor in America, who some sexist intolerant bigots might call "Caribou Barbie" had the highest VP debate ratings in history AND the second highest PRESIDENTIAL debate viewership in history. Last place, Joe what's his name acceptance speech was what Neilson might call BORING!

Self proclaimed "boneheaded" Obama can't even draw a bigger viewership than the new superstar."

Sexist intolerant bigots?

I'm laughing my mother****ing ass of at that one. You have some nerve, son.

SEXIST, like the guy running for President who voted against equal pay for equal work for women? Like the same guy running for President who put "health" of the mother in air quotes during the final debate?

INTOLERENT, like the people who shout "TERRORIST" "TRAITOR" and "KILL HIM" at McCain/Palin rallies? Like the people at McCain/Palin rallies who called two Obama supporters "anti-American" and started kicking them and mobbing them, and even gave one of them a black eye?

BIGOTS, like the guy running for President who voted against the Martin Luther King Jr. Holiday? Like a supporter of that same guy running for President putting an "Obama '08" sticker on a stuffed monkey?

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MNlatteliberal:

@Mannie,
welcome and my apologies about the place being so messy with trolls. somebody left some pizza out, and you know how the trolls like old pizza. in any case, careful where you step.

you do not need to worry about Obama getting complacent: did you hear his speech in NH about the NH primaries? Mannie, this train is going full steam ahead and not making any stops along the way until the 4th. I am not worried, but neither am i complacent.

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup: "Palin is a plus"

in what poll, dear?

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timontheleft:

@wakeup

"her speeches announce to the surrogates what it is okay to go negative on" . . . wouldn't it be better if the "surrogates" were able to think for themselves?

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bmrKY:

"wakeup:
Palin is a plus, her speeches announce to the surrogates what it is okay to go negative on. She said Ayers... we talked about Ayers. I wonder what could be next???"

Joe Vogler, prehaps? Or maybe even FREDDIE MAC and SADDAM LOBBYIST Bill Timmons?

Sounds like a winning strategy to me.

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wakeup:

MN,
You can state your point without insulting plumbers. Politicaly, you failed in that respect. It is not wise to make your political point by tearing down another... Thus I win the argument.

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OneAngryDwarf:

Plumbers suck, they are dumb, everyone should hate plumbers because they aren't smart enough to get real jobs.

Hey wakeup above is an example of insulting plumbers. What are you practicing to run the McCain campaign? Displaying faux outrage over inconsequential things.

PAAAATHEEEEETiKKK....

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wakeup:

MN,
"dear?"
what is a troll anyway?
Palin mentions Ayers; now those who go on TV on McCain's behalf can let loose on that subject. Let's say she mentioned Rashid Khalidi...

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MNlatteliberal:

1Angry, I find myself torn yet again: I picked watching Alfred E Smith dinner speeches over the opening skits of SNL/Thursday. Both McCain and Obama speeches were great, but now I wonder if I can find the SNL opener before going to bed.

As I ponder this, I read the thread. And in the presence of ersatz-boomshack, i just could not help pontificate on the state of mccampaign as it pertains to our precious bodily excretions.
(the whole time i was aiming my reasoning secretly at you, hoping you'd show up and appreciate the full fulcrum of the effluent thought. it worked :)

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wakeup:

Dwarf,
It was political advice... you have no idea what will be unleashed in the remaining days.

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marctx:

bmrKY:

"son" Is that the new "boy" toward Latinos like me?

"Caribou barbie" is an acceptable reference to an honorable civil servant that happens to be the most popular governor in America.

Talk about sexist, intolerant, and bigotry.

timontheleft:

Yeah, and the thousands of supporters that show up at her rallies is democrats waiting for a gaffe. Sure.

Also, the secret service debunked Lewis claims that supporters are inciting violence against Obama. No evidence that anyone said "kill him".

I hope Obama and his supporters continue to attack middle class hard working Americans like Joe the plumber.

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timontheleft:

@MN

I wouldn't worry about it. The SNL skit wasn't really that great. You chose well. I wish I had watched Obama's speech.

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup:
"You can state your point without insulting plumbers."

kindly point out specifically where i insulted plumbers.

"Politicaly, you failed in that respect."

yes, i am a total political failure. but i can learn to live with that.

" It is not wise to make your political point by tearing down another... Thus I win the argument."

you go on believing that, dear. whatever gets you through the night.

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MNlatteliberal:

marctx:
""Caribou barbie" is an acceptable reference to an honorable civil servant that happens to be the most popular governor in America."

clearly you did not get your fresh talking points, amigo. the power abusing civil servant you speak of, not-so-recently dropped into low 60's approval in her state, making her ineligible for the most popular title. sorry.
freshen up.

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MNlatteliberal:

timontheleft, THANKS! what was the skit? did they do the debate #3 parody?

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wakeup:

MN,
You could make your point without saying anything negative. What small business will see it's taxes increase? above $250K? Is that net, gross, inventory? Axelrod; "We'll get back to you on that."

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OneAngryDwarf:

@MN

I too watched the Smith dinner speeches and they were hilarious. They had just the right tenor and didn't stray to far into the actual muck.

As to the "full fulcrum of the effluent thought" you are wasting your time in here today. I stopped in hours ago to see if there was any intelligent discourse taking place and it was nothing but wall-to-wall trolls. I can't remember a time when it has been this bad in here.

I may stop reading the posts for a while since it appears that the proponents for Intelligent Design have taken up residence and decided that since they can't figure out biology and exponential mathmatics that they are going to become polling experts.

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timontheleft:

@MN

Exactly. It was OK but definitely not their best work.

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wakeup:

Palin to be on SNL... Secret Service scoped the place out 3 wks ago. Did you know that Obama is not qualified to be in the Sec Serv?

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup: a troll is someone...let's try this, who asks naive questions of others while failing to answer ones posed to him/her. does that definition work for you?

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MNlatteliberal:

1Angry, i hear you. but i actually enjoy their regurgitated bile and venom because they are so cute and impotent spewing it. it's a pity none of them will be here on the eve of the 4th.

once VA goes to Obama, and that will be fairly early, and once FLA follows, it will be an early night. We won't have to stay up to see what happens in CO even. It would be fun to come in here and poke some KipTip with her own stick.

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wakeup:

MN,
What question have I not answered? Is troll a deadly sin or a "ha, ha, here's a troll" type thing?

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MNlatteliberal:

calling it a night

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timontheleft:

@wakeup

This might answer your question about who gets taxed:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?postversion=2008101612

Note the last paragraph:

"The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a "small business" - and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them."

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Basil:

timontheleft

I agree.

I wouldn't have misssed the VP debate or the R convention for the world, but it doesn't mean I like McCain or Palin. If McCain had picked a talking dog as VP, people would have tuned in in even greater numbers.

What I saw was what Tina Fey saw--and it wasn't pretty. Palin energizes the know-nothing base and gets the lonely white guy vote. Period.

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NW Patrick:

That fundraiser ROAST tonight was funny. I have to see it was nice to see BOTH candidates lighten up a bit and make fun of themselves and each other. Obama's dig about McCain's age was hilarious!

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VonnegutIce9:

I've decided it would be fun to compare the Mid-October polls from the 2004 election in states that Bush won to our present state polls:

*Note: All current polls are RCP (Real Clear Politics) Averages:

Iowa:

IA: (CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll 10/16-18/04)
Bush +6.0

2004 Result: Bush +0.67
2008 Poll: Obama +11.8

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush -5.4
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +12.4

Montana:

MT: (Mason-Dixon 10/18-20/04)
Bush +21.0

2004 Result: Bush +9.2
2008 Poll: McCain +9.2

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush -11.8
Net Gain/Loss 2008: McCain +0.0

Indiana:

IN: (Survey USA 10/17-19/04)
Bush +19

2004 Result: Bush +20.7
2008 Poll: McCain + 3.8

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush -1.7
Net Gain/Loss 2008: McCain -16.1

Ohio

OH: (Gallup 10/17-19/04)
Kerry +1.0

2004 Result: Bush +2.1
2008 Poll: Obama +3.2

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush +3.1
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +5.3

West Virginia:

WV: (Mason-Dixon 10/15-18/04)
Bush +5

2004 Result: Bush +12.9
2008 Poll: McCain +1.5

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush +7.9
Net Gain/Loss 2008: McCain -11.4

Virginia:

VA: (Survey USA 10/16-18/04)
Bush +6.0

2004 Result: Bush +8.2
2008 Poll: Obama +8.1

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush +2.2
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +16.3

North Carolina:

NC: (Survey USA 10/16-18/04)
Bush +3.0

2004 Result: Bush +12.4
2008 Poll: Obama +1.2

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush +9.4
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +10.6

Colorado:

CO: (Rasmussen 10/18/04)
Bush +5.0

2004 Result: Bush +4.7
2008 Poll: Obama +5.8

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush -0.3
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +10.5

New Mexico:

NM: (Mason-Dixon 10/15-18/04)
Bush +5.0

2004 Result: Bush +0.7
2008 Poll: Obama +8.4

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush -4.3
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +9.1

Nevada:

NV: (Survey USA 10/16-18/04)
Bush +7.0

2004 Result: Bush +2.6
2008 Poll: Obama +3.0

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush -4.4
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +5.6

Florida:

FL: (Survey USA 10/15-17/04)
Kerry +1.0

2004 Result: Bush +5.0
2008 Poll: Obama +4.8

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush +6.0
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +9.8

Missouri:

MO: (Survey USA 10/16-18/04)
Bush +6.0

2004 Result: Bush +7.2
2008 Poll: Obama +1.8

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush +1.2
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +9.0

North Dakota:

ND: (MSU/WDAY 10/18/04)
Bush +20.00

2004 Result: Bush +27.6
2008 Poll: Obama +2.0

Net Gain/Loss 2004: Bush +7.6
Net Gain/Loss 2008: Obama +29.6


States where Bush gained points between Mid-Oct. and Election Day: OH, WV, VA, NC, FL, MO, ND
States where Bush lost points between Mid-Oct. and Election Day: IA, MT, IN, CO, NM, NV

States where Obama gained +5.0 points from 2004 Result: All States
States where Obama gained +10.0 points from 2004 Result: IA, MT, IN, WV, VA, NC, CO, ND
States where Obama gained +15.0 points from 2004 Result: IN, VA, ND
States where Obama gained +20.0 points from 2004 Result: ND

States where Bush lost and Obama gained (from highest margin to lowest): IN (+15), MT (+10), CO (+10)

*Interpret Away!

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NW Patrick:

The McCain LANDSLIDE continues. Zogby goes from +5 Obama to 5.5 Obama! McCain's gaining GROUND! Oh wait... Woops!

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wakeup:

Timon,
you see point, on that link the first thing I saw was Joe the Plumber. Elections are psycholigical. Your point defending Obama's plan had a picture of Joe questioning Obama. Political point to McCain.

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saywhat90:

@mannie

ohio does not have an effect on pa or indianas voting. ohio has beena tightly contested all campaign yet pa is trending to a double digit lead right now. so there is not correlation. espcecially since in 2004 bush won ohio and kerrry won pa. yep no correlation.

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marctx:

MNlatteliberal:

You justify your sexist remarks by saying the honorable Gov. Sarah Palin slid in one poll from being the most popular governor by far to just being slightly the most popular?

and making up a definition of trolls becomes law. i will post the owner of this sites comments about trolls like you.

a troll is someone that posts from site to site cut and paste talking points that have no relevance. i only post on this site. you need to take your sexist racist intolerant bigoted comments back to Huffpo and the DailyKos.

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NW Patrick:

VonnegutIce9 you smartass! How dare you show the right just how much TROUBLE they are in!:) ROFL

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wakeup:

So I am not a troll if I am just on this site talking off the top of my head?

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NW Patrick:

MarcTX PALIN's a DAMN EMBARASSMENT. My God do you have any sense? Can you imagine that zealous WINDBAG running the country. MY GOD can you imagine her meeting with world leaders? JESUS! no pun intended.

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wakeup:

Is Mnlatteliberal a troll?

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NW Patrick:

No WAKEUP you are a troll. Uneducated.

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saywhat90:

why is the mccain campaign and their supporters so dependent on oe the plumber to win the election. got news for you he not gonna win it for you.it is up to mccain and him alone to win it. not palin not joe not anybody.mccain leads his ticket. so he needs to stop depending on gimmick picks phony attacks and outside events and step to the plate and be the warrior he once was. i say this not because i support him but because i respected him once before this year. even though i am an obama supporter

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wakeup:

I can't respond to the troll accusations until I figure out what one is.
I will leave you with one warning... beware of what Palin says in her upcoming speeches, it might make you all wish for the days of Joe the Plumber.

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marctx:

NW Patrick:

"MarcTX PALIN's a DAMN EMBARASSMENT."

I wish my daughter or my mother was a patriot like Gov. Palin.

Tell me about yourself. Have you had anything in your life to be proud of. Did you score the championship basket in the state basketball championship? Did you win beauty contests? Did you wow the public as a sportscaster? Did you join the PTA to fight for what you believe in. Did you win the mayorship to serve your people. Did you win the governorship to fight the incumbent in your own party to fight corruption? Are you running for the second highest position in the world? Gov. Palin is an embarassment? If you have done anything less then you are the embarassment.

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bmrKY:

marctx:
bmrKY:

"son" Is that the new "boy" toward Latinos like me?

"Caribou barbie" is an acceptable reference to an honorable civil servant that happens to be the most popular governor in America.

Talk about sexist, intolerant, and bigotry.

timontheleft:

Yeah, and the thousands of supporters that show up at her rallies is democrats waiting for a gaffe. Sure.

Also, the secret service debunked Lewis claims that supporters are inciting violence against Obama. No evidence that anyone said "kill him".

I hope Obama and his supporters continue to attack middle class hard working Americans like Joe the plumber. "

---

You are such a damn fraud. The other night you said you were "leaning" Obama, now you're back to your usual BULL****ING****. How the hell is Obama attacking working families? Hard working people like my parents built this country, and for PUNKS like you to suggest that Obama and Biden won't fight for them is absurd, just as your justification for anyone that CONSTANTLY insults Obama is okay, but that no one should question Palin or McCain.

DONT YOU GET IT? DONT YOU ****ING GET IT? People are struggling, losing the jobs, their homes, their retirement, they're looking for help, our national debt has risen more under this president than any in history, and you are WORRIED about how Sarah Palin and Joe The Plumber are being treated unfairly? You're worried about Joe's pipedream of buying the two-person business that he isn't even licensed for? Are you that damn stupid? Do you think the American people are that damn stupid?

GIVE ME A ****ING BREAK!

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bmrKY:

"marctx:
NW Patrick:

"MarcTX PALIN's a DAMN EMBARASSMENT."

I wish my daughter or my mother was a patriot like Gov. Palin."

You are a ****ing fraudulent asshole.

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wakeup:

Palin has character and character counts...

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kerrchdavis:

@bmrKY

I'm right there with you buddy. To answer your question, some of them are damn stupid and really don't get it.


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wakeup:

It's not Joe the Plumber's dream, it is the American Dream.

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NW Patrick:

No Marc but I'd sure know that I wasn't FIT TO BE PRESIDENT! SHE's AN IDIOT. Flat idiot. An embarassment to women. I know it really kills you that McCain's STUNT has BACKFIRED. She can't even win WOMEN for McCain. WHY? WOMEN SEE HER AS A JOKE! She's NOT INTELLIGENT.

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BOOMFAIL:

If Palin is such a Patriot, why is she palling around with organizations like the AIP that want to secede from the rest of the United States??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WgkMshFqA

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bmrKY:

"wakeup:
Palin has character and character counts..."

Charging innocent girls for rape kits, wow, that's some great character.

"I'm... not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions!" - Joe Vogler, AIP (aka The "First Dude" Party)

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NW Patrick:

Palin pals around with the AIP. What a disgusting human being. Leave the US? And she wants to be our vice president? Niiiice. BUT HEY...SHE's WHITE SO THATS OK!

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NW Patrick:

Marc you're Latino? Wow. Well THANK GOD FOR THE DEMS STANDING UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS in the 60's. Your party's convention looks like a KKK rally.

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NW Patrick:

It's all over. Clap clap clap clap clap!

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marctx:

NW Patrick:

Bill and Hillary stood up for us and if Obama wasn't so anti-Latino, I'd support him and Judas Richardson.

"No Marc but I'd sure know that I wasn't FIT TO BE PRESIDENT!"

I agree, you're not fit to hold a library card.

Like Obama, you and Obama's terrorist bomber friends don't know what a patriot is.

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NW Patrick:

RED SOX WIN! What a great night for the liberal sports capital of the US!

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bmrKY:

"BOOMFAIL:
If Palin is such a Patriot, why is she palling around with organizations like the AIP that want to secede from the rest of the United States??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0WgkMshFqA"

You don't understand, BOOMFAIL, the First Dude just wants to be burried in Dawson, not under our damn flag. The fires of hell are glaciers compared to Todd's hatred for the American government. That's why he wants Sarah to get elected-- because she's a "maverick" and she will do what any good maverick will do and that's to make sure the US government allows Alaska to succeed so that his hatred can once again become a glacier... or something to that effect.

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m913:

@marctx

Just one technical point. I nominate Gov. John Lynch of NH as the most popular governor in the US--73% positive.

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kerrchdavis:

You know what really pisses me off? Republicans treat elections like they are one big joke.

- First, McCain picks Sarah Palin, who does 4 national interviews and flops every single one of them. She doesn't know an economic policy from a damn moose, and the choice is made solely for political gain at the expense of putting the entire country at risk from being run by a complete and utter idiot. Sorry, but I am smarter than Sarah Palin. My ****ing keyboard is smarter than Sarah Palin.

- McCain pulls stunts like, after saying that the "fundamentals of the economy are strong" some 20 times and proving to the nation how out of touch with reality he is, then reframing the statement by saying he was talking about the American worker when anyone with half a monkeys brain knows that isn't true.

- He then decides to get all dramatic and pull out of the first debate to help with saving the economy (although he still has plenty of time for interviews), suspends his campaign( although he still runs ads, has his surrogates working etc) and goes back to Washington to do absolutely nothing.

- Then, after getting creamed in the first 2 debates, they start these ridiculous rallies that turn into borderline lynch mobs with shouts to kill his opposition because they accuse the opposition of "pallin around with terrorists." Of course, no real attempt to stop anything until after they realize it isn't polling well.

- Now, after getting beat YET again in the 3rd debate (how long does it take before you finally win ONE for ****s sake?), they detract from the issues once more by making the central topic Joe Plumber who isnt even technically a plumber. And don't tell me this is about the issue of taxes...this is turning into an issue of "who is Joe Plumber" and "why is the MSM attacking him" and "is he licensed" and all that BS that detracts from issues.

This campaign has made a pathetic mockery of the entire election system. What an Fing joke.

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BOOMFAIL:

I heard on Limbaugh that Obama beats up Latinos before breakfast every morning, he's so anti-latino.

But at least he likes the latinas!

Give me a fricking break!

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NW Patrick:

Awww MARCTX. Is that way almost 65-70% of your community supports Obama?:) You're an idiot. I hope you enjoy your WHITE party. Must kill you on the inside.

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NW Patrick:

Awww MARCTX. Is that why almost 65-70% of your community supports Obama?:) You're an idiot. I hope you enjoy your WHITE party. Must kill you on the inside.

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NW Patrick:

kerrchdavis you are right on my brother. What can they talk about? Gay paster and Senate scandals? Record deficit? Illegal war? World hatred of the US? I would like to see a public hanging of Bush/Cheney. Rome is burning because we put people like SARAH ****ING PALIN up for the 2nd most important job in the world. They don't care about the US, they care about POWER. The US will get what it votes for.

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NW Patrick:

Republicans want to tell you that Gov. should stay out of things, oh IM SORRY EXCEPT SOCIALLY. We will then TELL YOU how to live your life while we do the EXACT opposite.

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NW Patrick:

I thank GOD every day I love on the West coast. I can be out and proud..no one cares. No one judges, to my face anyways LOL I feel sorry for my friends in Texas and TN for instance, it's not the same. Republicans are so uptight and judgemental. That's why they prefer to suck their dick in public restrooms.

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marctx:

NW Patrick:

You're numbers are way off. In battleground FL latinos support McCain by +7. Obama is trying to ride Hillary's coattails. My county supported Hillary among Latinos by 75%.

Anyway, thanks for the personal attacks. I don't attack posters personally.

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NW Patrick:

marctx your #'s are wrong. ON A NATIONAL LEVEL OBAMA RECEIVES 65% of the latino vote. McCain's getting killed. And PLEASE show me your source for your UNINTELLIGENT comment that Obama hates Latinos. IDIOT.

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bmrKY:

"marcintxsux:

Like Obama, you and Obama's terrorist bomber friends don't know what a patriot is."

Enough with this patriotic bull ****. You assholes have been trying this for decades, and the American people have finally awoken to the Bush/McCain/Neocon deception. Your party (the neocons; you sir are NOT a democrat) will experience huge losses because of the hate and negativity of not only this campaign, but because of every other campaign your party has ever run. For the sake of your party, I sure hope that the wacko neocons and evangelicals are kicked out and that the sane, honest, intelligent members of your party such as Chuck Hagel, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Lincoln Chaffe, Arlen Specter and others become embraced by and the cornerstone of the republican party. Then we will truly, once again, be able to feel good about who we elect to public office in this country regardless of party affiliation.

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bmrKY:

"marctx:
Anyway, thanks for the personal attacks. I don't attack posters personally."

Yeah, you sure don't. You only insult middle class democrats and Obama supporters across this great nation.

You, sir, are a FRAUD!

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick

Oh please...no one cares to read about your sexploitations being a selfish hedonist...keep it in the bedroom, not in a public forum.

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bmrKY:

Hey marc "I never insult anyone or their opinions" tx... what do you think about McCain "palling around" with a LOBBYIST for FREDDIE MAC and SADDAM? Is McCain going to appoint LOBBYISTS with ties to CORPORATE GREED and ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS to his cabinet? Can we trust John McCain to protect our children from ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORISTIC DICTATORS when he appoints the very people who LOBBY for those same ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORISTIC DICTATORS to his campaign staff and possibly his cabinet should he some how get elected? Why has McCain not addressed the fact that he has a well known FREDDIE MAC and SADDAM LOBBYIST heading up his transition team? Don't the American people and Joe The Plumber deserve to know the kind of SHADY CHARACTERS that will be advising John McCain in the White House, should he some how in a million years win this election?

John McCain... I just don't know if we can trust him anymore.

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marctx:

The Obama trolls are to negative, but can you cash you're welfare checks and invest in the stock market. My 401k needs the boost.

Stop the personal attacks:

Thoughtful the foreigner
Carl29 the traitor
NW Patrick the sexist
bmrKY the idiot
kerrchdavis the delusional
MNlatteliberal the sissy (lets Stewart say his wife has male parts)


can't we all get along?

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marctx:

just kidding friends. i just saw the non partisan speeches tonight and the joint event. we are all still Americans. God bless America. Good luck president Obama.

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Pat:

Does anyone know the result of Zogby tonight?

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mahlers5th:

Wow, this used to be such a civilized blog...

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bmrKY:

"marctx:
can't we all get along?"

You tell me. Probably not if you want me to support a woman who endorses the policies of this current administration. And probably not again if you continue to say that Obama does not care about middle class people like my parents who have either had to relocate or find a new job these last 8 years, have spent an ungodly amount of money on gas, and have seen their retirement shirk, meanwhile this modern neocon movement is one of the most anti-labor, anti-worker movements this country has ever witnessed.

I'll tell you, just so you can quit harping about this Bill and Hillary stuff, my mother and I both voted for and supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries. But unlike you, we don't have 4 years to wait for her to run again. The middle class needs relief. My dad, a life-long republican, fiscal conservative and social moderate (doesn't support gay marriage nor abortion, but doesn't base his vote on those issues either), is supporting a democratic presidential candidate for only the second time in his life (first was 2004 with Kerry). He has seen the party he once loved and supported turn into the Pat Robertson/George W Bush evangelical/neocon side show.

And I would think long and hard about who you call an idiot. Yeah, your comments about patriotism and other bull**** pissed me off and I let my emotions get the best of me. I apologize for that. I want you to know that conservatives, independents and liberals are all serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, and every other war for that matter, with some losing their lives in the process. One political party or candidate DOES NOT corner the market on patriotism and service. As for everything else... I DO NOT apologize for supporting Barack Obama, nor do I apologize for not supporting McCain/Palin, and I will certainly not apologize for calling you a fraud until you give me good reason to.

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Rollin08:

Yeah, G'luck guys!..

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marctx:

bmrKY:

I'm feeling unity tonight. Obama and McCain showed that we are all Americans.
My emotions get the best of me too. I'm sorry.

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McShame:

@ Pat:

Zogby has Obama up by 5 (49-44)..pretty much unchanged from yesterday. Speaking of Zogby, I find it strange that he has Obama leading independents by almost 20 points but only up 5??

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1503er:

We all (liberals) better hope that the pollsters are getting their methodology correct. Could be that the voters are actually more inline with Gallup's Traditional Likely Voter scenario. And like Joe Biden said, remember, Al Gore was up by double digits in October 2000.

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Pat:

@McShame,

Thanks. So I assume that the one night of polling after the debate did not show any changes?? Might be too early to see the impact of the debate. You are right about Zogby's independent 20 point margin for Obama and yet the race is only 5. I think Zogby is overestimating number of republicans.

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Rollin08:

That was some election in 2000. I was listening all night. Well, besides I had a night job. What a night to be an American. That race was so tight it was almost unbelievable.

Can't say America/Being American is boring!. It's dramatic when its close but it seems so obvious what side should win, at least to me.

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Rollin08:

@McShame:

Depends on what % of likely voters polled are "independents"..

Maybe these are the people who are unlikely to vote anyways.

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vmval1:

Buckle up people. This baby is tightening up.

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Vokoban:

From the central communist newspaper in America, the leftist pinko paper Washington Post (which endorsed Über-Socialist GWB in 2004):

"Mr. Obama is a man of supple intelligence, with a nuanced grasp of complex issues and evident skill at conciliation and consensus-building. At home, we believe, he would respond to the economic crisis with a healthy respect for markets tempered by justified dismay over rising inequality and an understanding of the need for focused regulation. Abroad, the best evidence suggests that he would seek to maintain U.S. leadership and engagement, continue the fight against terrorists, and wage vigorous diplomacy on behalf of U.S. values and interests. Mr. Obama has the potential to become a great president. Given the enormous problems he would confront from his first day in office, and the damage wrought over the past eight years, we would settle for very good."

Hm. If you are serious enough to agree that the WP is NOT part of the liberal MSM: don't you think that rampaging against Obama is a little bit over the top? Even IF you are conservative?

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boomshak:

ZOGBY: MCCAIN GETS DEBATE BOUNCE, NOT OBAMA!

Obama 38.7, McCain 33.7 (Thursday/Only 3.6% Obama Lead!)

UTICA, New York – The race for President was largely unchanged by the final debate between Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain, as Obama retained an overall five-point lead in the latest Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby telephone tracking poll.

This latest report includes most of one 24-hour polling cycle that was conducted after the debate. The balance of the three days of survey work included in the rolling average came prior to the debate Wednesday at Hofstra University on Long Island. However, the most recent 24-hour cycle of polling was little changed from the three days of combined data. The one-day total showed Obama with a 3.6% advantage over McCain, while the three-day total showed Obama with a 5.0% edge, 48.7% to 43.7% for McCain.

CONCLUSION:
The one-day total the day after the debate showed a full 2 points move to McCain to 3.6%.

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Vokoban:

Spreading the wealth - here's what Obama actually said:

"For folks like me who have worked hard, but frankly also been lucky, I don't mind paying just a little bit more than the waitress that I just met over there who's -- things are slow and she can barely make the rent.

My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody. If you've got a plumbing business, you're going to be better off if you've got a whole bunch of customers who can afford to hire you, and right now everybody's so pinched that business is bad for everybody, and I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

If you own a heart and a mind you can agree.

If you are biased to borderline ignorance you just read "spread the wealth", triggering your anti-social reflexes.

Then vote McCain!

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Rollin08:

Obama is very presidential. He does look the part when he looks into the camera and says "Look, what we're going to have to do..". I'm kind of excited for us if he is our next president and people get behind him.

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boomshak:

Whatever you think of Zogby's methods, he top-line numbers agree with Rasmussen and Gallup.

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vmval1:

@boom:
C'mon boom, let's all move forward together.

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Vokoban:

Joe the Plumber has now had more press conferences than Sarah Palin.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/factoid-of-the.html

Vote McCain!

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Rollin08:

I think demand is the key for business. A business doesn't go out of business because of taxes, if there's a demand there. They're not going to hire if they have to many workers producing more then what they're selling. They're always balancing their labor force to demand. They don't just hire as many people as they can..

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BOOMFAIL:

Zogby has Obama UP A POINT from a week ago, so apparently the McShame bounce is working.

http://www.zogby.com/

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Mike In Maryland:

marctx mumbled, rambled, dundled and spat out...

"The Obama trolls are to negative, but can you cash you're welfare checks and invest in the stock market. My 401k needs the boost.

Stop the personal attacks:

Thoughtful the foreigner
Carl29 the traitor
NW Patrick the sexist
bmrKY the idiot
kerrchdavis the delusional
MNlatteliberal the sissy (lets Stewart say his wife has male parts)

can't we all get along?"

I'm truly offended that I wasn't included on that list.

And marctx? If you or any of the other neo-con trolls of this site want to post information as 'fact', it will not only not be considered opinion, it will be considered fiction unless and until you post supporting documentation from a reliable source. A reliable source is NOT:
Drudge
RedState
Faux News Network
Washington Times
Any Murdoch-owned entity
Etc., etc.

As to your 401(k) - you expect us to feel sorry that your retirement account is ailing after your support of the administration that brought about the failure of the stock and financial markets because they didn't regulate those markets? Did it ever occur to you that there is a need for regulations to make sure people obey the rules?

Have you noticed that 'self-regulation' doesn't always work, even in a situation such as a monastery or nunnery? Guess why there is an 'Abbot' or 'Mother Superior' in charge of these organizations. To make sure that the rules and regulations are kept and obeyed! If even the religious people who populate such places need a supervisor and regulator, did it ever occur to you that non-religious people might need supervision and regulation when their greed might cause them to violate 'self-regulation'?

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maddiekat:

boobshak

Only you would use the wording in a Zogby one day poll release to determine a post debate bounce. By Monday Obama will have a solid 6-8 lead in all the daily polls. But even if he doesn't he will win because it is the states that decide. Also I can't wait until Jusice Stevens puts a halt tp the partison decision by the Ohio Court. When he does you will see McLiar spending alot of time in Ohio.

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Rollin08:

Can you imagine 400 plumbers for only 2000 people? Like if we give them more money that's what they're going to do..

Especially if everyone becomes really poor and the money is concentrated in the hands of a few.

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Rollin08:

400 plumbers for only 2000 people (who can't even afford their services). Doesn't sound to efficient. Doesn't sound like the way capitalism works. I think Obama's view of helping to make sure low to middle wage workers have spending money fits better into a capitalist system.

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boomshak:

@maddiekat:
boobshak

Only you would use the wording in a Zogby one day poll release to determine a post debate bounce.

Huh? So, in your addled liberal mind, actually quoting the poll results from the day AFTER the debate is invalid? Perhaps I should have used the one-day results from a week ago?

It is clear. Obama was leading by about 5.5% before the debate and about 3.5% after the debate. Is there a part of that which is too complicated for you?

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boomshak:

@maddiekat:

So you agree that the SoS of Ohio should be able to prevent 200,000 questionable registrations from being checked against a database to see if they are valid?

You actually OPPOSE that? Please God, spare us from moonbats like maddiekat.

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boomshak:

@vmval1:

@boom:
C'mon boom, let's all move forward together.

So you've decided to support McCain then?

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wouterkokx:

Glad to see that Obama leads with a great marge marge in the national trend. Come on guys, McCain has a risk of dying of 30 percent in the coming 4 years. If he dies, we get Palin! Palin for president, you must be kidding!

I have just found a cool widget, called electoral Compass. Here you can find out your position in the political landscape. You can check it at electorallcompass.com. Good luck with that!

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maddiekat:

boobshak

The rules were good enough for the Republicans in past elections so why are they not this election? The answer is the scum you support will do anything to steal an election. The ACORN fiasco is an example of the Republicans attempt to create a controversy that is not there to achieve their goal which is to win an election. If I am a moonbat what does it make you who supports the sleeze that comes out of the Republican party.

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saywhat90:

wrong boomshak it is a .5 drop from his lead from yesterday. he still has a 5 point lead.and it is a solid 5 point lead.

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Vokoban:

Great piece on Joe the plumber on the Daily Show:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/index.jhtml?episodeId=188615

They nailed it.

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saywhat90:

but in any case anybody can pick and choose what poll they want to say their candidate is okay

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wouterkokx:

Really nice piece on the Daily Show Vokoban. Did you already used electoral compass?

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saywhat90:

i love how joe scarborough picks the one gallup poll that has a 2 point lead for obama and ignore the other lv gallup poll with obama up 6 then screams this race is tightening.he also leaves out that it is gallup traditional lv poll he is citing. then has the headling gllup shocker. yesterday they used the zogby poll when it was the low end poll.

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wouterkokx:

@ Viperlord. Political compass looks nice as well! But in my opinion Electoral Compass is better because you can also evaluate candidates. What about you?

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Joe the Plumber:

@ wouterkokx. Really nice tool! You should all check it out, you can find it via google or at the WSJ-site. Indeed, it's better than de political compass.

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Joe the Plumber:

@ wouterkokx; what a great tool! You should use it all to discover your position in the political landscape. The candidate evaluation is indeed very good in the electoral compass. Go check it out all!

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pbrower2a:

boomshack --

Interactive polls are unreliable because persons who seek to manipulate them do so. It's easy to vote several times on one poll -- use your own Internet link and vote on computers with general access (schools or libraries, maybe internet cafes). Those polls have no controls for underage voters.

The GOP is a thoroughly ruthless operation as is shown in its domestic policies and foreign policy. It is a machine of spin, and it has good cause to ensure that people think that the election is closer than it is. They want the 20% or so of all Americans who still believe in Dubya to keep up the "good work".

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