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US: Energy Policy (Rasmussen 9/2-3)


Rasmussen
9/2-3/09; 1,000 likely voters, 3% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Rasmussen release)

National

Which is more important, finding new sources of energy or reducing the amount of energy Americans now consume?
60% Finding new sources of energy
32% Reducing the amount of energy Americans now consumer

How serious a problem is Global Warming?
64% Very / Somewhat, 34% Not very / Not at all

Is Global Warming caused primarily by human activity or by long term planetary trends?
42% Human activity
47% Long term planetary trends

Is there a conflict between economic growth and environmental protection?
40% Yes, 37% No

How would you rate the way that Barack Obama will handle energy issues such as offshore drilling and research for alternative energy sources as President?
43% Excellent / Good, 55% Fair / Poor

 

Comments
LordMike:

Did I read this right? 64% think global warming is a major threat in a Rasmussen poll? Must be an outlier to try and salvage his reputation....

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Stillow:

@LordMike
It shoudl be 100 percent think global warming is a problem.........the question is flawed, it should ask about man made global warming vs. Earth's natural cooling and warming cycles.....if it shte later, humans can not change what the Earth's been doing for billions of years.

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Stephen_W:

Ah yes, Stillow the climate change scientist pipes in with his well-informed reasoning that the scientific community is dead wrong on global warming, while Republican talking-heads have it right. Makes a lot of sense. I also love that 40% of our population apparently believes that economic growth and environmental protection are either/or choices.

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Stillow:

Do you libs smoke crack before actually posting these days? That is the best you can do Stephen? If you read any source of news other than dailykos and msnbc you owuld know the scientific community is split on man made global warming....in addition if you got actual news you would know the earth has not warmed over the past decade. You would also know that in the past 25 years all the toher planets in the solar system have also warmed.

You would also know a vast majoirty of scientists who claim global warming is man made are tired directly to g'ment grants or donations from big liberal sponsors like soros....

You would also know th earth has gone thru cooling and warming for about 4.5 billion years.

stephen, there are more sources for news than kos and keith olberman....i know its tough to crawl out of your hole, but you look very foolish when you repeat msnbc nonsense....you and the other 5 people watching them should try naother channel.

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Bigmike:

Stephen_W

"I also love that 40% of our population apparently believes that economic growth and environmental protection are either/or choices."

In a lot of ways they are either/or choices. If Chevy could make a Volt that sells for $20k that would not be true. But how many are they going to sell for $50k?

When the technology is there to make green products at prices that are attractive then we will have growth and a cleaner environment. Until then, you can't force people or businesses into decisions that they cannot afford.

Where green products make economic sense, they are a success today. Where they don't, they aren't. And govt can do very little to change that.

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Matthew Connor:

Terrible questions. First of all:

"Is Global Warming caused primarily by human activity or by long term planetary trends?"

The answer to this question in a poll just doesn't matter. It's a scientific question with a factual response. I suppose one might try to clean some information about education on the issue from this. I think people will use it to justify policy positions however.

Next:

"How would you rate the way that Barack Obama will handle energy issues such as offshore drilling and research for alternative energy sources as President?"

Utterly preposterous! How would you rate something the President has yet to even do. The question should be, "Please speculate on the issue of offshore drilling: Excellent, good, etc. "

Both examples of agenda driven polling.

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Bigmike:

The problem with the govt making choices about what products to build is that they make them for political reasons and not for economic reasons. Add in that they are playing with someone elses money.

GM will be back to the govt feed bag again. They made choices that the govt wanted them to make. It won't work. Like the Volt. Don't you think they are rushing it to market before it is ready just so the govt would approve their recovery plan? If that is really the case, it will be a huge flop. That is asking for quality and reliability issues.

If green products work so well today, why isn't every govt building covered with solar panels? Every building on every military base. Most of them are in southern states where the weather allows for more year round training. Why isn't there a wind farm at every Dept of Ag facility? A fuel cell at every federal couthouse and prison?

That is the one way the govt can be an economic factor, as a consumer. If they ordered a million windmills tomorrow the per unit cost to produce them would take a huge drop. Instead all they can come up with is cap and trade? Lets force the public to accept a lower standard of living. Hey, I bet that gets them a lot of votes next time.

They didn't even get the stimulus right and they will want a second chance at that. Did anyone notice the August unemployment numbers?

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Stephen_W:

Stillow: "If you read any source of news other than dailykos and msnbc you owuld know the scientific community is split on man made global warming." Show me one.

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Bigmike:

Matthew Connor

But its politics. Public opinion does matter. You want the real question?

How many legislators think that global warming is important enough that they will risk their careers to do something about it?

The correct answer is not very many. So why should I believe it is that big an issue? Why should we spend billions or trillions of dollars just because there were a few extra sunny days 10-15 years ago?

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Bigmike:

Stephen_W

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/global_warming_ice_age/2008/04/24/90591.html

That guy, who was a NASA astronaut, says another ice age is coming.


http://epw.senate.gov/pressitem.cfm?party=rep&id=264777

That is from the US Senate.

There are plenty more where those came from.

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Stephen_W:

Stillow's comments are not worth replying to, but Bigmike, you're all over the map on this one. I wish I could view these in such black and white ways as you can. First of all, not sure how GM has anything to do with how many people believe in global warming being accelerated by man-made emissions.

And then your contention that "If green products work so well today, why isn't every govt building covered with solar panels?" Lets see...the fossil fuel industry has had an entire century to develop without a competitor? And due to its abundance and current industrial capacity advantage will usually be the cheapest form of energy available? On the flip side, people love to compare fossil fuels vs. alternative energy in the vacuum of price alone, which is brilliant because when you don't consider the ill-effects of pollution as a cost from energy sources, dirty sources will win every time. That's the point of cap and trade. It levels the playing field by adding the cost of polluting the air as a price for cheaper dirtier fuels.

"That is the one way the govt can be an economic factor, as a consumer. If they ordered a million windmills tomorrow the per unit cost to produce them would take a huge drop." They are doing it, through things like tax credits for solar panels in homes and businesses, money towards research and development of clean energy techs. And honestly, that's the only thing currently keeping these nascent technologies alive against much larger conglomerates like the oil and gas industry. The reason the gov't has to step in when the commercial sector won't is that the commercial sector cares only about short-term (1-5 years), bottom line profits, while the gov't can (sometimes) take a much larger, longer-term view of what kinds of dangers and challenges loom far ahead.

Let me ask you this hypothetical question. If I were to tell you that in 75 years, we had a 25% chance that our current pollution rate would irreprebly alter Earth's climate causing a global catastrophe, and that we had to reduce pollution by 50% to stop it. What would be the price increase at which you would no longer care about the future? What if the chances were 50%? 80%? These are the kinds of questions we should be asking ourselves, not fake dialogue about whether or not we even have a problem.

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Stephen_W:

Bigmike, thanks for sending me a link to a newsmax.com article, a truly fair and balanced website.
Here's one from The Australian, debunking his "opinion piece" in the same newspaper.

"THE opinion piece by Phil Chapman ("Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh", Opinion, April 22) warns of an approaching ice age but contains a number of factual errors, misleading statements and incorrect conclusions."

The day Republicans can stop cherry picking data and scientists for their own political purposes, and acknowledge the general consensus of the scientific community as a whole will be a truly beautiful day.

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Stillow:

@Stephen_W:

Checkmate!

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Bigmike:

I just don't buy that big oil and big coal are keeping little solar cell and windmill down. That is the way it always is with you guys. Big _______ stepping on the little down trodden _________ for their own profit. Fill in the blanks and it fits all occasions.

Except this time the "little guys" are GE and Siemans.

If there was a 25% chance we would do irreparable damage to the planet in 75 years, the first thing I would want to invest in is answers. Lets know what the problem is first. You guys want to panic because of something you saw in an Al Gore movie. Just who is basing their arguments on fake dialogue?

Look outside! I live at latitude 36.3º north. We had lots of days in July and August that did not reach 80º.

That's not fake.

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Stillow:

Stephen, do they sell SUV's on Mars? Do the Plutonians drive Hummers? Are those damn venusians pumping out to much co2 with there factories? Do the Jupitarians have to many cows passing methane gas into the air?

Science is split on man made global warming outside of the nbc stuidoes anyway. What is not in question is that all the toher planets warmed too in the past 25 years....and just like Earth, they stopped warming the past decade.....that is because global warming is tied to solar activity.....

Only liberals would assume they have the power to destory the Earth....and then one up themselves by claiming to hav the power to save it.....just toss out 4.5 billion years of natural warming and cooling...here come the libs to stop mother nature from doing waht she's done since the planet was formed!

You libs have a God complex on this one.

Shhh, don't tell the scientific "consensus" or the libs, but co2 is actually good.....see, plants consume co2 and they give off a biproduct of this thing called Oxygen, which last I checked is somewhat important to the human race.

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Bigmike:

Both sides on this cherry pick data and opinions by renowned scientists. That should tell you something. There is no absolute right answer.

I can come up with tons of arguements for conserving energy and cutting down on pollution. Without any cherry picked data. But why should we be forced to cut back on our standard of living when China and India are exempt. Why not be patient until the technology improves.

Why cap and trade? Just because Al Gore owns a big chunk of the only company that makes the software to calculate credits and track swaps.

I don't see the need to panic. They keep moving out those "tipping points" every time we get close to one. It will all work out if you give it time.

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Stephen_W:

Oh yeah, and that other bogus link you sent out from the "senate" was dated 2006, in the heart of Bush's second term, and was penned by Marc Morano, who is not a senator. It took me a second to figure out who that was, the name sounded familiar. Turns out Marc Morano runs the climate denial website ClimateDepot.com for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, a conservative anti-environmentalism think tank...

So again, I'm still waiting for you to send me one article that states the climate scientists are split on whether global warming is being accelerated by man or not, from a reputable source. Keep trudging through the classic GOP links attempting to muddy the waters on what really isn't a debate at all.

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Stillow:

You are far more giving tothe left than I Mike. Cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming. The libs running the leftist movement know global warming is not man made, but they see an attempt to kill two birds with one stone. they can control your life and mine, by how much energy we can consume at an affordable level...and also how much business is permitted to produce. It is simply another layer of control over the individual and business.....hmmmm, kind of like g'ment run health care, by which tye will control your behavior by determining certain things are "bad" for you, hence, you cannot do them since g'ment is now responsible for your health.

control Mike, its all about control. History shows us that g'ments always seek to contro lthe masses, usually it was done by force, but that always failed, now they use behavioral control......they maintain the illusion of freedom and self expression, but they prohibit you from engaging in both by puntitive taxation and things like state run health....

Control, control, control..............nothing more, nothing less. It is what all big g'ments all thru history have done, control there population by any means necessary.

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Stephen_W:

You're still there Stillow? I'm actually trying to have a real debate with someone whose opinion I actually give a crap about. Head back over to townhall.com and put your tinfoil hat back on.

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Stillow:

@Stephen_W:

If I were a liberal, this is where I would tell you that you hurt my feelings....but since I am not, I won't....

Keep up the good work, you make this hobby of mine more fun every day......its much easier than I expected though to debunk wacky liberal ideas.

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Bigmike:

Come on Stephen. I am sure I can find literally millions of web sites telling us how horrible global warming is. And If I had the desire to look into them all, most are funded by libs or by someone who is going to make a buck from it. Don't give me the holier than thou junk.

Are all of those things that Morano wrote total fabrications? I tried a couple of the links he cited and they were by golly real web site from NOAA, among others.

We conservatives are not all liars. Neither are libs. Just misguided.

I have a better idea. Instead of me trying to prove something does not exist, show me proof from a reputable source that man made global warming is an absolute fact. Emphasis on the words man made. Not a consensus or some vague conclusion that some data points to. Show me the iron clad proof and I will send $50 to the green charity of your choice.

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Stephen_W:

Bigmike, you and I are in agreement that there is definitely a lot of good that can come with conserving energy and reducing pollution. Where we differ is in the argument about China and India. First of all, we're the world's second largest polluter next to China (we were No. 1 until recently). Secondly, how do you tell someone else to stop when you can't do it yourself, and are actually one of the biggest offenders? It's like telling another country to stop torturing people when we do it ourselves behind closed doors.

As for the "panic" you see, I don't see it. I see people wanting us to take measures at reducing our consumption of foreign oil and replacing it with alternative energies created domestically. I see people who look at the long-term problems of our pollution rate and are looking for solutions that balance our need to grow the economy while at the same time curbing CO2 emissions.

Secondly, the right always wants to bring up Al Gore like he created the idea of global warming. I don't view him in that light, but I do appreciate that he did bring to light the issue of global warming to a mainstream audience. I know it's easy to step outside your door and think, it's a nice sunny day, these global warming folks are crazy. Why don't you go talk to a scientist that's been studying the polar ice caps and see if he has the same casual ignorance of what he's seeing, and how fast the ice caps have melting recently.

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Bigmike:

As long as it is a tax deductable contribution.

I am a heartless conservative after all.

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Stillow:

Man made global warming....I love it. I live in the Nevada desert and this past winter we had a record snow fall.......the year before that I had to replace 3 trees in my backyard because we had a unusually high number of days in a row below freezing.......

Dang, global warming is damn cold!!!!!!!!! Who can I sue to recover the cost of having to replace my trees?

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Stillow:

Hmmm, how can you tell someone else to stop when you cannot do it yourself.......

You could try the liberal health care approach of trust us, we promise its good for you, but its not really for us (libs in congress). If it works on you liberals, it should work on countires like China.

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Stillow:

By the way, Al Gore has become EXTRMELY wealthy by exploiting global warming. He has become what you might call uber rich off of the back of the enviro movement. Though I don't think he created the enviro movement (i think his creations are isolated to the internet only), he has become very very rich from it....just an interesting wrinkle.

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Bigmike:

I know the ice caps were recently melting. I can explain it in one word.

SUMMER

Tipping points that make it too late to fix constitutes panic, or at least creating a perception that we need to panic. And I don't see cap and trade as a balance between environment and economy.

Stillow

It may be about control to the high and mighty in their ivoery towers. Us foot soliers are the true believers, on both sides.

It is way past my bed time. I will try to look tomorrow to see if Stephen found that proof. I do keep my word.

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Stephen_W:

Bigmike, nobody is saying global warming is a fact. It's a scientific theory, like evolution is a theory, and gravity, and relativity. A vast majority of scientists who study this field believe it is valid, while there are a handful of scientists who don't. But to say consensus is mixed when a vast majority of scientists and scientific papers argue that global warming is real is what's dishonest. It's not mixed, it's overwhelmingly pointing to the fact that global warming is real.

The fact that Morano was one of the originators of the swift boat ads that destroyed John Kerry's campaign tells me enough about what his real intentions are. And no, he doesn't have a science background, which makes me doubly suspicious of his motives.

My personal reasons for doing something is simply that the pros outweigh the cons. By doing something now, instead of waiting for 100% confirmation, is that we correct things before it's too late to do something about it. With the side benefit that we ween ourselves from dependence on foreign oil, push a robust domestic alternative energy economy, and make our air cleaner. How much and how fast should be up for debate.

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Stillow:

Oh, and Al gore also stands to earn hundreds of millions of dollars if cap and trade passes as his company is primed for the cap and trade system....isn't that interesting?

Does Gore's private Jet run on a fuel cell or is totally battery powered? Because surely it does not run on regular jet fuel?

It might have been Edwards in NC, but I read Al gore's carbon footprint is the biggest of any other residence in the entire state of Tennessee??????? But he gets around that by buying carbon offsets..............now that is deifnately an inconvenient truth.

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Bigmike:

Stephen_W

I don't disagree with less pollution or with not sending billions for oil to people who want to use the cash to kill us. In my own humble way, how much and how fast is exactly what I am debating.

A lot of the global warming crowd wants me to believe that the end of civilization as we know it is upon us. If I forget to turn off the light before going out I might be killing us all. I don't buy it.

Invest in basic research and let the "nearly free" market give us the answers. It has worked for lots of other issues.

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Bigmike:

I have more CFL's in my house than anyone I know.

I also have more Energy Star appliances, mainly because I had to replace a water heater, refrigerator, and dish washer in the last couple of years and we bought a chest freezer.

Libs use more electricity than I do.

I didn't have a clunker to trade in. It's the engineer in me, I have a thing for efficiency.

And when these things permeate our society, which will happen thru the forces of supply and demand, we will use less energy.

Good night all.

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Stillow:

Look, right or left, everyone wants fewer pollutants...everyone wants clean air and water. I am probably the greenest guy on this site when it saves me money. All my windows are triple pane and I have the solar screens on the rear of the house where the hot Nevada sun pounds in the hot part of the day. I bought two sets of solar panels from Costco, a killer deal....One of them powers my entire garage. We have a fridge and an extra freezer in there and it runs totally on solar power....plus all my tools run off the solar outlets I put in in there. The other i wired into the kitchen to run the kitchen appliances and inside fridge....I love them, it dropped my power bill big time so it was worth the investment. I'm waiting for them to come out with slightly bigger ones to run my air conditioning units off of....here in nevada sunlight is something we have plenty of. All my light bulbs are CFL's, for you libs out there, thsoe are the little swirly ones.

When going green is economical people will do it. When the g'ment does it by way of puntiive taxation or behavior modification, then that is just wrong. When the Volt costs me 50k for a small vehicle, I would rather buy my Armada LE for 44k...its bigger and safer...so its not just the gas you take into cosnideration, its safety....and if I get hit by a drunk driver with my two kids in the back seat, we are much safer in a heavy duty SUV than we are in a inty put put car. I put no price on safety. I converted both my wood burning fireplaces into gas fireplaces...I bought the tankless hot water system so I don't have to burn gas all winter long heating a huge water heater. I replaced the grass in my front yeard with artifical grass, which as a side note is highway robbery....the good stuff cost me $12 a square foot, what the hell? Since we have a drought here though I got a tax credit for doing it and it saves water...no one forced me to do it, but ti made sense economically.

i am as conservative as you will find on this site...and I am probably the most green.....but not by force of g'ment....bu t because those things in the long run are econoically beneficial to me personally. When business figures that out, pmore people will play the game....

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Stillow:

Sorry libs, the only thing I can't give up is my weber charcoal burning grill. I can't seem to cook on those gas grills....and besides, its not really grilling unless there is charcoal below the meat.............

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