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US: Global Warming (ABC/Post 12/10-13)


ABC News / Washington Post
12/10-13/09; 1,003 adults, 3.5% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(ABC: story results; Post: story, results, graphic).

(See also previous update on results on Obama, health reform, Afghanistan)

Post story:

As President Obama arrives in Copenhagen hoping to seal an elusive deal on climate change, his approval rating on dealing with global warming has crumbled at home and there is broad opposition to spending taxpayer money to encourage developing nations to curtail their energy use, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll. There's also rising public doubt and growing political polarization about what scientists have to say on the environment, and a widespread perception that there is a lot of disagreement among scientists about whether global warming is happening. 

Obama Job Approval on "Handling Global Warming"
 45% Approve, 39% Disapprove
Do you think the federal government should or should not regulate the release of greenhouse gases from sources like power plants, cars and factories in an effort to reduce global warming?
65% should, 29% should not

It's been proposed that the United States and other developed countries contribute 10 billion dollars a year to help developing countries pay for reducing the amount of greenhouse gases they release. Is this something you support or oppose?
39% support, 57% oppose

How much do you trust the things that scientists say about the environment - completely, a lot, a moderate amount, a little, or not at all?
10% completely, 19% a lot, 40% a little, 14% not at all

Do you think (most scientists agree with one another) about whether or not global warming is happening, or do you think (there is a lot of disagreement among scientists) on this issue?
36% most agree, 62% a lot of disagreement

 

Comments
sjt22:

I'm surprised the conservative posters haven't already posted the obvious talking point yet: "How can there be global warming if its snowing (in December)?"

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Stillow:

Just from a pure comedy standpoint, it does look pretty funny to be talking about global warming in the midst of a blizzard. Must have been all those private jets they brought or the limo's.......

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Field Marshal:

Not to mention that Obama left Copenhagen in a blizzard and then landed in DC in another blizzard.

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Field Marshal:

How about the 54% who say they do not trust or trust very little what scientists say about climate change. So much for consensus...

From Howard Bloom:
We, in our present form, have walked the earth for about 120,000 years. During that time there have been 20 sudden global warmings. In most of these sudden warmings the temperatures rose by about 18 degrees over a span of 20 years. Right now the Copenhagen Clowns are freaking out over a rise of 1.5 degrees in 100 years.

There have been about 142 mass extinctions since life began on the earth about 3.8 billion years ago. These mass extinctions were not caused by man. They were caused by nature.

What's the real cause of the Earth's norm--a climate that rocks back and forth from steamy tropical heat to icy freeze? A climate that deposits fossilized seashells on mountaintops and makes dry land into seas and swamps?

The Earth is a traveler. Its angle as it sweeps around the sun produces the massive weather flips we call seasons--the dance from summer to winter and back again. But there's more. Our planet has a peculiar wobble--its precession. And that precession produces upheavals in our weather, weather alterations we cycle through every 22,000, 41,000 and 100,000 years. This is called the Milankovich cycle, named for the Serbian engineer and geophysicist who discovered it.

But the wobbles in our trip around the sun are just a start. The sun is a traveler, too. It circles the black hole at the galaxy's core every 226 million years. And it takes its tiny flock of planets with it. That means us. The result?

The journey around the galactic core is fraught with dangers. For example, every 143 million years we pass through a spiral arm of the galaxy, an arm that tosses tsunamis of cosmic rays our way. Those rays produce massive climate change. Then there's the innocent-sounding stuff astronomers call galactic "fluff," massive clouds of cosmic dust lurking in our solar system's path that also cause dramatic climate change.

Meanwhile, the sun itself is going through a cycle from birth to death. As a result of its maturation, good old reliable sol is 43% warmer today than it was when the Earth first gathered itself into a globe of planetesimals 4.5 billion years ago.

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StatyPolly:

>>>I'm surprised the conservative posters haven't already posted the obvious talking point yet


We know to keep quiet when a higher authority does our bidding. Haha


In other news, today's Gallup has Obama's approve/disapprove down by five (5) full points from yesterday. At this rate his approval is going down like to ZERO in a couple of weeks or so..

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lat:

Field Marshall,

The Dems have just announced the have 60 on health care. Your party has failed again! You try to obstruct, intimidate, etc., but at the end of the day the party of angry white southerners and religious nutjobs just does not have the votes! If you would like I'll throw you a tea party in honor of this new legislation.

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Bigmike:

lat

Hold off on the parties. Even if the Senate does pass this thing, which has not happened yet, there still has to be a reconciliation of the House and Senate versions. If this does ever become law, it will be without a public option and without federal funding for abortion. Like it or not, you have to admit that the "angry white southerners" and "religious nutjobs" made a difference.

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lat:

Bigmike,

Who are you kidding? That's the best you have? The public option was never going to fly and everyone including President Obama knew it. All this crap the past 30-60 days has been to coddle the left into feeling good (which I freely admit the dems did a piss poor job at). The bottom line this is the biggest social expansion in 40 plus years which will only get built on over time. The GOP has failed miserably on this! With all of their "tea parties" and "town hall meetings", etc. in the end they have accomplished practically nothing except to show the country how crazy they are (Mitch McConnell and John Bohener now there is a hell of a dynamic duo). Next time try a different tactic.

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Stillow:

lat

Ummm, you realize that bo hthe right and the left hate the bill don't you? The GOP was successful in getting the public option dropped and the medicare buy in. The most dangerous parts of the bill are gone. Whats left isn't anything but soemthing the far left hates...a big privte insurance gold mine. Private carriers now get 30 million new customers!!!! The left just handed those evil isnurance companies they hate so much a big fat wad of cash!

Both the left and the right hate the bill. I think we all knew something was goign to pass, they had to pass something, but its a water downed giveaway to private isnurance, thats all thats left of the bill. Libs hate it, cons hate, the center hates it. The GOP very smartly opposed it with no defections. It will cost the Dems big in 2010 mid term elections.

In a way htis works out perfect for the GOP. Because they got the really dangerous stuff removed, like the public option. the Dems have totally pissed off the ceneter (indy's) by pushing this bill. So basically the Dems set themselves up for huge losses now in 2010, did not accomplish there goal of g'ment run health care...and are now giving hundreds of billions of dollars to privte insurance carriers who they absolutely despise. And your claiming victory? Heheheh.

Fact is no one won this fight, but the Dems definately lost. Don't you read the liberal blogs? they are flippin ticked off at this bill in the senate. Moveon is actually threatening to now primary dems in congress with more liberal candidates because they are so ticked.

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Stillow:

FM - come on man. Don't post that hogwash from Bloom. Every logical person and every scientist agrees that global warming is caused by the 60 watt light bulb and ford Explorers. Its also caused by conservative private jet owners. However liberal private jet owners do not cause it, nor do politicians buzzing around the planet in there private jets. Oh and cows cause it too.

So next time please post what the scientific consensus is and blame the light bulb....ok?

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lat:

Stillow,

Good spin but it is complete BS. As I stated earlier Harry Reid knew from day one that the public option would never fly and the one mistake the dems made in all this was playing to the left to make them feel good for a couple of months. The bottom line this is only the beginning in which to build over future years. If you look at how health care has reformed in most western nations it is always in stages and never all at once. This is a huge first step and trust me the insurance companies hate this ( I work in the insurance industry and they especially hate the part about the states now being able to compete with one another for now their scumbag monopolies will disappear and frankly from my vantage point that is what was needed most). The spin that from the left that the insurance companies "win" with this is also complete crap and frankly whining. The Dems persevered and won the GOP obstructed and lost- period end of story (Boehner and McConnel what great leadership- so inspiring).

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ndirish11:

I hate the arguement that the earth has been changing for millions of years naturally so there is no way we can have an effect on it. I would just like to remind everyone that we are the first industrialized species to ever walk on this earth and that we add an extra 10,000 million metric tons of carbon a year to the atmosphere. That is unprecedented and has never happened in our earths billion year history, until the last hundred years. It's hard to believe that the CO2 that we pump into the atmosphere has no effect at all.

But I can see where you stand if you don't believe climate change is man-made. There seems to be conflicting science in the media, so I see why it is hard for any of us regular people to make our own assumptions.

At the same time I think we can all agree that we should go green. I think that should be agreed upon all across the line. If we go green as fast as our economy allows us to go, what is the worst that can happen? If global warming/climate change is man-made then yay we are fixing it it. If it isn't man-made then we made the world cleaner and healthier for generations to come. Green energy doesn't pollute and I think we can all agree that in 50 or more years we would like our children and grand children to swim where we swam, or to camp where we camped without pollution getting in the way.

And lastly, it kind of is arrogant to deny that climate change doesn't exist at all. Climate change is not neccesarily the warming of the earth, it is an increase of the extremes of the worlds climate. While you guys are sitting here laughing about global warming and blizzards, there are people in central Africa dying because there last clean water source dried up from rising temperatures.

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Stillow:

lat

You know I like reading your stuff, but just go read everywhere. The left hates the bill, the right hates the bill, the center hates the bill. The center-left tolerates the bill. You are on a polling site right now, have you seen the polls? 40 percent is abou the max you will ifnd in support for it. So your first step is going to cost you dozens of house seats and nearly 10 senate seats.

With the bill being attacked from bto hthe right and the left now, its going to force the #'s down further for Obama over the next few months.

Also as a big lib, how do you "honestly" feel about giving the insurance comapnies exactly what they wanted? Millions of new customers? Killing the public option was a big success for the GOP, thank you Joe.

As a lefty you will swallow spoiled milk to try and save face, but with both the left and the right totally angry, its not good news. With the GOP poised for major pickups in 2010. with leading lib groups like Moveon and Kos now saying they will primary democrats with liberals, it is not shaping up well for your party. With public support against you, a president dropping in approval every month it should make for some interesting moves in th coming months and years.

I never thought I'd see the day hwere a liberal like yourself was praising giving the insuracne companies billions of dollars, but there's a first time for everything I guess.

The Dems have successfuly ticked off the left, right and center, while giving the center-left something they can "tolerate". Heheheh, great success lat.

Now we we get to see if the libs in the House will go along with a bill with no public option. And see how Stupak responds to the senate bill. 2010 and 2012 will be about repealing HCR and with public support at around 60 percent, the opposoition can do it.

Should be a fun ride, but I have to go outside right now to see if I can find some pigs flying...if a liberal is happy about a trillion dollar giveaway to big corps, thensurely there are pigs flying otuside right?

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Bigmike:

stillow

lat is the only lib I know who is being honest about this. Once they ram this thru, it is only a matter of a little tweaking here and there to convert it to single payer govt health care. That has been the lib plan all along. They just can't admit it in today's world or they don't have the votes.

lat

So what if the GOP is being obstructionist on this? When the other party is trying to pass something you disagree with, you do what you can to kill it. Its called politics. The Dems have the house, 60 members in their caucus in the Senate, and the WH. How else is the GOP supposed to go about killing this? They can't even amend it on their own.

Aren't you throwing a party just a little early. Nothing has been signed into law. In the Senate the vote has not been taken yet. They haven't passed anything as of this minute. This abomination barely squeeked by in the house and lots of Dems there won't vote for it without the public option, or so they say. So there is the little matter of a house/senate reconciliation and getting it thru both chambers. No worry about a veto of course. At this point BO has no choice but to sign whatever comes out of congress whether it is what he wants or not.

ndirish11

I don't believe man made global warming has been proven. But I agree with your points pretty much across the board. There is a lot of conflciting info out there. And even if there is no man made climate change, green makes a lot of sense, as you said, "as fast as our economy allows." Instead of cap and trade, how about tax breaks for green? I know some of that exists today. It should be expanded. Given the present economy and jobs market, financially punishing any business is not a good idea.

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Stillow:

Bigmike - so you gonna be sad to see Blanche go? Since she decided to fall on the sword for her fellow Dems, will you folks down in AR miss her? I know we here in NV will NOT miss reid when he is booted out next year, in part due tothis terrible bill they rammed down the throats of the people. 300 mill for Mary, lifetime exemption for medicaid costs for Nebraska....everyone has a price!

Everyone wants clean air and water. Green enery will come on its own as technology catches up to demand. The second a green supply of energy becomes cheaper and more accessible, people will automatically move to it. But what the left tries to do is use the man made global warming hoax as a means to modify and contro lbehavior....as well as lvy huge taxes. its a power grab designed to transfer freedom from the people and into the waiting hands of g'ment.

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ndirish11:

We should move to Green as fast as possible. However I fear that the oil companies are so powerful that until every last drop of oil and gas on this planet are used up, we won't make the switch. And if thats the case lets hope global warming isn't true huh

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Gopherguy:

To say that global warming is not man made is patently absurd, but beyond that point.

We need to go green as fast as possible for this reason: oil is a limited quantity. Eventually, oil will run out. This is a fact. This will cause massive problems throughout the world. Plastics are made from oil, tires are made from oil, machines need oil for their gears, etc. We need to conserve oil and put it to more important uses than heating and transportation.

How do you drive a car without wheels? Imagine a world with no plastic? This idea that we should drill everywhere and use up all the oil is absolutely crazy.

By the way, if you think of oil as a limited resource, which it is, it makes sense that people would want permanent bases in the Middle East. Oil will run out, so there will be a power struggle/war to retain it. Thinking long term, it would make sense to be there to protect a limited and extremely valuable commodity.

This is the perfect time to go green as well. We have millions out of work. We can put those people to work by creating green energy sources, building an updated and efficient power grid, and other initiatives. But it will cost money. Sorry conservatives, but some things need to be paid for. We need to raise taxes to convert to green energies and to put people to work. This is a matter of national security in the long run, the sooner we deal with it the cheaper it will be and the less dire the consequences are.

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Field Marshal:

Ndirish,

The added CO2 into the atrmosphere still only amounts to a fraction of one percent. We went from 250 parts per MILLION to 380 parts per MILLION. I'm not saying its not having a detrimental effect on the Earth but to be "Warming" the Earth is way out there considering the evidence.

I think its arrogant to think that man can control the Earths climate. In addition, weather patterns have been volatile and changing since recorded history. A drought in a particular corner of the world being attributed to global warming is absurd. During the Roman Empire, the best farming was done in North Africa. Back then, the water table was significantly higher than it is today when its essentially desert. It changed in the 800-1000 period and can hardly be attributed to global warming.

Now the rest of your post is agreeable- going green and finding alternative energy sources and production means. But Stillow is right, the current environmental movement is not about reducing CO2, its about wealth redistribution which is why the far-left and actual communists from Russia and Eastern Europe are all involved. They have found a comfortable home in the current movement.

lat,

The GOP didn't lose, the American people lost.

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