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US: Health Care (BRS 7/20-23)


Belden Russonello & Stewart (D)
7/-20-23/09; 800 adults, 3.5% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews

(BRS post, memo, toplines)

National

Do you favor or oppose President Obama's efforts to create comprehensive changes in the health care system?

62% Support, 33% Oppose

How much do you worry that if you lost or changed your job you might lose your health insurance and not be able to afford new health insurance?

65% Very Much / Somewhat, 33% Not Very Much / Not at All

 

Comments
LordMike:

Why isn't congress listening to these polls? The Democrats have a chance at a generational realignment in their favor and are completely blowing it!

I guess the good news is that they know if health care goes down, so does any chance at re-election for them.... At least they aren't that stupid... or are they?

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IdahoMulato:

That's why I said in my previous post, that if the 30% crowd in the previous Gallup poll is pressed, they will go for the Obama healthcare plan.

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Stillow:

First, I have never heard of this pollster....and second there are many many other polls showing the oppositte.

Your problem is blue dog democrats. They are not stupid, they know if they hand over health care to the g'ment it will probably go bankrupt like every other entitlement and if they vote for it they will probably lose their elections in 2010. For them to vote for this bill, it will ahve to be radically changed. The provision making it illegal for private carriers to get new customers will be removed a feasible way to pay for it will need to be implemented, etc.....if those don't change, this bill waill fail.

Congress wants to be re-elected...Obama knew his best hcnace was to ram this thru before anyone could read it, but he failed....now that people are reading it, they are not liking it....the GOP and blue dog Dems will not support the bill in its present form, you guys are dreaming if you think it will pass as is.

Plus you guys are still so narrow in your view, everyone wants reform, but not everyone wants to hand it to the g'ment....some g'ment burocrat rationing care somehwere is not really appealing to most people.

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Stillow:

Idaho, based on some of your posting I am not sure you know what a blue dog is...its a fiscally conservative democrat....they reprsent the fiscally responsible wing of the democrat party...so before you start ranting about right wing nut jobs again, this is your own party holding up your previous g'ment from assuming control over your health....

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seg:

"Do you favor or oppose President Obama's efforts to create comprehensive changes in the health care system?"

This poll question is incompetently stated. I "favor" a young child's attempt at the potty. I may not be overjoyed at the result of that attempt.

Despite the dislike here of his results, Rassmussen's questions usually avoid such ambiguity.

Webmaster: In all favorability polls for politicians, please always state party ID. I am a political junky but haven't memorized the affiliation of every governor and congress person.
Thanks

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LordMike:

Blue dogs need to read their history, Stillow... it was the failure of health care reform in the 90's that led to most of them being purged in 1994...

How could anyone be voted out of office for voting for affordable health care? It makes no sense! 70% of people want reform... everyone knows the system is horribly broken... and EVERYONE is feeling the squeeze... It makes no sense, whatsoever...

Well, if reform fails, I will enjoy watching the blue dogs go down in ignominious defeat.. I hope none of their political careers survive... And they won't... 'cos even though there may be a minority of democrats in their districts, they need EVERY SINGLE ONE of them to vote... And no democratic voter is going to vote for a person who voted against their most important issue....

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LordMike:

"The provision making it illegal for private carriers to get new customers will be removed"

Well, that should be easy, since no such provision exists...

"Plus you guys are still so narrow in your view, everyone wants reform, but not everyone wants to hand it to the g'ment....some g'ment burocrat rationing care somehwere is not really appealing to most people."

Yes, we'd rather have some for-profit insurance company bureaucrat bean counter accountable to no one standing between us and our doctors.... My parents are on medicare... they've had no trouble and have had much less hassle than they did before they turned 65... I guess, when you remove the corporate bureaucrat interfering with your medical decisions, the care improves.... what a surprise?

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IdahoMulato:

Stillow
I know about the co-called "blue-dogs." I don't care what they think. If they're considering voting against the health care overhaul plan ostensibly for fear of losing their seats in 2010 or 2012, then they're making a big mistake. They must remember this popular quote by FDR ... “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” Also by Lt. John B. Putnam "Courage is not the lack of fear but the ability to face it."
It's heart warming to learn that an analysis by nonpartisan budget experts suggests the goverment health insurance could coexist with private insurers without driving them out of business.

The so-called blue dogs should take a look at the new polls and estimates and vote for the plan; otherwise, they'd be digging out the political demise.

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conspiracy:

I agree with Stillow here. Lots of poll misreading going on. As ever people have very different meanings to what they personally call reform. Big majorities want it but when it is broken down people balk at certain aspects, particularly the cost.

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LordMike:

"Big majorities want it but when it is broken down people balk at certain aspects, particularly the cost."

Amazing that no one cared about the cost of the war... or the cost of Bush's $1.8 trillion tax cuts... but, when the government steps in to fix a horribly broken system, then, "It COSTS too much!" Even when the projection is deficit neutral....

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conspiracy:

Mike I know, you are preaching to the converted but it is what it is. As usual Dem messaging has been lousy and Obama hasn't learned his lesson from the stimulus. Handing things over to Pelosi was a mistake then and this time it was an even bigger screw up.

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Stillow:

@LordMike

Wow, you could not be more wrong. In 1994 Dems were kicked out "because" they almsot succeeded with g'ment take over of health care. The people kicked out the Dems because they didn't want that big g'ment take over nonsense....they were not booted because they failed to pass it....but please, please, please keep beleiving that!!


Also, learn to read, pages 15-17 of the House bill Obama likes lays out quite clearly it will be illegal for private carriers to take on new custoemrs at the effective date of this legislation.....try reading the actual document and not listening to liberal talking points...its written clear as day.

@Idaho

Blue Dogs are politicians just like the rest of them. They will do what advances there own careers...that is what politicans in g'ment do, they advance there own wealth and career...doesn't matter if a bill is good or not, its whatever is best for them....thus the danger in letting g'ment control your life! And youbetter start caring what they think, cus your side cannot get anything done without their support.

Unless you liberal democrats increase your numbers, you better start paying attention to blue dogs and republicans, cus there are more of them combined than there are of you. You need them....so if you cannot compromise on this issue, its dead....it will go nowhere.


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conspiracy:

Stillow, I would argue it was much more than just failed health-care reform that caused the 1994 Republican sweep. LordMike has a point and so do you in that it was a combination of the failure causing Dems to stay home and Repubs being energized to GOTV. But as I say it wasn't just health-care. Other Clinton stumbles like gays in the military, tax raises, gun control, the Dem House scandals were just as much if not more to blame. Not to mention the culmination of thirty years of Southern realignment.

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Stillow:

@LordMike:

What? Everyone compalined about Bush's stupid war spending. I am glad you somehow brought Bush into this debate, you guys just cannot let it go.

And when you have a system that people around the world come to because there own systems are broken, its not a horrible system. The core system is the best i nthe world....it needs reform, but you don't destory the best system in the world and let the g'ment run it....that is the core of the debatde, people are uneasy letting g'ment run anythign these days....they already owe trillions and trillions...Obama has a 1 trillion deficit....money doesn't grow on trees.

Health care needs upgrades, not a total reconstruction. Our system is the envy of the world....people with the means from all corners of the globe come here for treatment.

You libs are in denial and stuck on this theme that the systemi s borken, etc...its not.

There are reasons g'ment exempts themselves from being subject to this system...ask yourselves why....they know it will be a nightmare. Ask yourselves where is legal reofrm to deal with all the frivilous lawsuits.....its nowhere to be found. Things liek those are the reasons people are just jumping on board this wagon.

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Stillow:

@conspiracy

Totally depends on your ideaology. The 94 wave was cuased by over reaching by the dems. The ore liberal dems. I think the near g'ment takeover back then helped push the GOP over, you guys think it was the failure to pass it that ticked off Dem voters....so that is totally dependent on your ideaology.

I don't really have a home in the gop or the dem party on social issues, both parties are way off beat to me there....but this health reform is scary to a lot of us out here and that is what is holding this up....I know you can see it, but the more liberal people think they aren't being liberal enough....and liberals just don't have enough of a base to push tit thru. This thing will get watered down......

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conspiracy:

I think it was both. As I said Repubs and conservatives saw it as overreach and were fired up to vote while Dems and liberals were pissed so didn't show up at all. Hence a more lopsided GOP victory than anybody expected. But again there were other factors.

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Stillow:

@conspiracy

I gotta tell you, people like me, and there is a lot of me out there are getting real fed up with waaht we see as the g'ment coming into every part of our lives. They want to run my health care, come into my home and tell me what bulbs I have to use, tell me who I can or cannot marry...thi s helath care debate is clearly aprt of a bigger game.

I want reform of the system, but I do not want a g'ment run system...g'ment just isn't competent to do it. Congress at this point is passing bills they no longer even read...am I the only one who sees the danger in this? The members just listen to their leadership and go along with it...scary stuff.

Reform the system, legal reform, make it leegal to ask about pre-existing oconditions...make the private sector work, but don't hand over nearly 20 percent of our GDP to the g'ment............can you imagine what the deficit will be in 5 years if the g'ment is paying everyone' health care? Frightening...

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LordMike:

"You libs are in denial and stuck on this theme that the systemi s borken, etc...its not. "

50 million people have no access to health care... just last weekend 10,000 people showed up in my town to a "health fare" to get charity health care 'cos they have no other access to a doctor... Do you know how much health care costs? My family physician charges $700 an hour... I don't think even Johnny Cochran got that much when he was alive... A simple surgery can cost $50,000 if you aren't insured... and insurance for someone with a pre-existing condition (which could be one blood pressure pill) can be as much as $20,000 a year for lousy coverage... that is, if you are given any access to health care at all...

The system is incredibly broken... you don't see it 'cos you have some sort of work insurance... well, someday, you might lose your job, THEN what do you do, when you are 50 years old an d no one will cover you and you can't see a doctor when you are sick?

According to Gallup: 70% of people want reform... yes, some people want different types of reform, but it doesn't matter... when 70% of the country says the system needs major fixing, then the system is broken!

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LordMike:

@Stillow again..

Sorry, but I'm fired up.... Do you think that "liberals" just want to mess with the health care system for kicks? That it's fun? There's a reason why it is the number one priority for Democrats, it's 'cos the current system is not adequately serving most of the country... even 50% of republicans want reform... most of them want a public option, too!!

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Bigmike:

@LordMike:

"... At least they aren't that stupid... or are they?"

In a word, yes.

SOMETHING will get passed. Too many politicians have too much riding on it. What we end up with won't be what the left wing Dems want. My guess is the public option will not survive in its present form. And there will be lots of finger pointing.

Someone will be the fall guy. Not BO or anyone in his senior staff. Not a Senator, they are far too important. So some minor player in the house leadership will get replaced in the next Congress.

"50 million people have no access to health care."

Wrong. A number of that magnitude have no health insurance. Every time you hear a number it gets bigger. It was 43 mil, then 46, 47, and now 50. Lets just say its a bunch of folks and we can all agree.

How many of that number are young who could have health care via their jobs but don't? They are young and invincible, what do they need with health care? I bet that number is in the double digit millions. I won't bother trying to look it up as I doubt there are any two sources that will agree. At least one of my own kids falls in that category.

How many are absolute losers. Drug addicts, alcoholics, etc. Health care is the least of their concerns. A meal, a place to stay, and a fix. I know the routine. I put down the stuff on my own many years ago and it made a bigger difference in my life than anything else I have ever done. But you can't help those that dont want it.

How many are illegals? Or all they all on Medicaid? Thats one scam I dont know the ins and outs of.

What are we down to, a couple of million people who are uninsured through no fault of their own?

I remember a discussion on here last fall where someone asked me what health care was. That individual thought it was a right. My answer was a commodity. I will give a little on that. If someone else is going to provide it for you lets call it a privelege, which implies some responsibility on the recipients part in return. I can live with that.

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Bigmike:

Of course the easy answer is to replace the public option with the military option. Got no health insurance? Raise your right hand and repeat after me.

Problem solved!

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Bigmike:

I looked up the pollster these numbers came from. Their clients include Annenberg, the CA Teachers Assoc, Harvard, and the Illinois State Board of Education.

Obama lackeys.

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LordMike:

"Of course the easy answer is to replace the public option with the military option. Got no health insurance? Raise your right hand and repeat after me.

Problem solved!"

Doesn't work... the same people who can't get health care 'cos they are sick, can't get into the military 'cos they are sick... Just like insurers won't cover a person who has an illness, the military won't let them in... especially if they are older...

This idea that people who are uninsured do it out of choice is absurd... Even Michael Steele, GOP Chiarman, said it cost $20,000 a year to keep his family insured when he was a small businessman... That is insane! How can one defend a system like that? How many entrepreneurs are foiled out of the gate 'cos they can't leave their dead end jobs due to health care costs?

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Bigmike:

We all agree the system needs change. We disagree how and how much.

The only thing govt has ever been efficient at is collecting taxes and paying the troops. We were good at building nukes too, but that is ancient history.

I do occasionally go overboard, but you get my point. We do not have 50 mil people without access to health care. Our problems are pre-existing conditions and cost containment.

Even the Dems at the CBO are giving frightening cost projections on the Pelosi version. It won't fly.

I been hanging around you libs too long. I used to be much more direct and to the point.

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Bigmike:

To make my point on young people, try this.

http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2008/05/30/more-young-people-going-without-health-insurance.html

"More Young People Going Without Health Insurance

Study finds 13.7 million without coverage, mostly because of cost"

Gee, thats 15 million people right there, in Obama math since the number is a year old, who could have it but chose not to because of cost. That by itself puts us in the low 30 mil range for those without access to health insurance. Without access to health insurance, not without access to health care.

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Stillow:

@LordMike

Do you actually read the postings? Nearly all want reform.

That 50 million number was 40 million a few weeks ago, but lets just take the 50 mil. About 15 - 20 million of them are illegal....plus a large portion of uninsured are single younger people who choose not to have it. I know when I got out of the military I had an option from work to get it and didn't want to spend the money, I was young and healthy, so I didn't want to spend the money....that was MY choice.

Now that I have a family I spend $600 a monthto have them all covered. An expense I have to pay...that is life. Would I rather not pay it? Sure, but if I don't and the g'ment takes over the system, I will end up paying more than the $600 a month i nthe form of taxes...at least this way I retrain my choice and control. I don't have to wait for a g'ment burocrat to decide if I should get treatment determined on the rationing quota for that month.

the #1 demographic turning on this bill is older people...because they know g'ment will have to ration care and the elerdly will suffer the most....treatment for them will be pushed aside totreat younger people.

Our system is not broke, polls show over 85 percent have coverage now and are happy with it....we can solve the reamining 15 percent...excluding illegals and those who choose not to have it.

We need to prevent people from being asked about pre-existin conditions...and we need legal reform. My brother in law is a general practice doctor and he spends a fortune on mal practice insurance, doctors can barely afford to stay in practice in some states because of frivilous lawsuits.

I am in favor the the g'ment creating a fund to treat catastrophic events....most people without coverage are not worried about not paying for a check up, is getting in a car accident....HSA's are a good options, cheap monthly premiums designe dto deal with catastrophic events. G'ment vouchers are another option to allow people to choose a plan best for them...a single payer plan would be horrible. People have differnt needs.

This is America, we cannot resort to rationing of care, older people being pushed aside so younger people can get the treatment. In addition, we simply cannot afford a g'ment urn system, ther is no money to pay for it.

Our system is not broken when people from all across the world come here for treatment....If we make small changes such as the ones I mentioned costs will come down.

The reason the liberal approach here is being met with bipartisan opposition is because it does not make sense, it does not work. there is no way to pay for it and when people are exposed to rationing, long waiting lists, etc....there will be a backlash on those who voted for this insane bill. That is why both repubs and dems oppose the bill as its written now.

I already gave you the pages to read where it clearly in big black print makes it illegal for private carriers to take on new customers...in effect in a matter of years private insurance will be out of business leading to the layoffs of tens of thousands of people employed in that industry.

The g'ment fails at nearly every entitlement it offers today...so it should be no surprise for people to resist taking a system which works for most and handing it over tothe g'ment. National health care run by g'ment won't be free like you think, it will be paid for by taxes...lots and lots of taxes and in many cases those taxes will exceed what it would ahve cost you to buy your own plan. Read the bill, huge taxes on everything from soda's to candy, sugar products to fruit drinks, fatty foods to las vegas shows....taxes will go up across the baord on everything.

This bill will not go anywhere as its written now. Way to much opposition to it fro mthe people....and with the August break coming, these blue dogs will be going home to there districs and they will get hammered if they support this bill.

Reform yes, g'ment run system no. Its as simple as that. I don't see people rushing up to Canada in packs to get treatment, but we see them coming down here for treatment. there is a reason. You can literally google people dying in England and Canada waiting for treatment....because they were on waiting lists for so long....plus in a g'ment run system you can't really get second opinions because the g'ment won't pay for them. You go the doctor the g'ment makes you and that is final....if your denied treatment, you have no other options, you cannot go to another doctor.

Luckily this bill will fail as it is written now and we will retain the best health care system in the world today.

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polls_apart:

@Stillow:
"The provision making it illegal for private carriers to get new customers..." doesn't exist.

The section you are reading refers to EXISTING plans offered by private insurance, EXISTING plans which do NOT meet the legal requirements under the proposed health care legislation. (Requirements such as no existing conditions, etc.)

If you are insured under such a pre-existing plan, you will be able to keep that insurance. You can even enroll new dependents under it.

Private insurers will be able to offer new plans to prospective customers, plans which meet the requirements under the proposed health care legislation.

The section which you, Stillow, and other health-care reform opponents keep mis-citing (either on purpose or without understanding) is about the terms of grandfathering in EXISTING health care plans which do not meet the requirements under the proposed health-care reforms. They will not be abolished, but will not be sold to new prospective customers (other than dependents of those already covered). Insurance companies will be able to offer new plans which pass muster.

Got it?

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Stillow:

@polls_apart:

I am convinced you liberals cannot read.

You call me a opponent of reform, yet every post I write o nthe subject supports reform. You liberals are clueless, one sided, narrow minded and basically void of any ability to understand the issue.

When you actually learn to read and are able to actually think for yourself, we can continue the conversation, until then, I cannot converse with someone who lacks the ability to make their own judgements....at the very least stay true to your liberal ideaology and appoint a g'ment burocrat to discuss the issue on your behalf....

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polls_apart:

@Stillow:
I plead guilty to your first point. Your posts support reform of health care, and I called you an opponent of reform. So I will accept that you support health-care reform, just not the plans currently making their way through Congress.

But my point still stands: when you say, "I already gave you the pages to read where it clearly in big black print makes it illegal for private carriers to take on new customers," you have misunderstood the language on page 16 of the House health care bill. That language applies only to existing plans which do not meet the new regulations effective on the date of the bill's enactment. It does not apply to new plans in compliance with the new regulations. (You must think that the new regulations will make the issuance of complying plans exceedingly onerous.) In this case, I think it is you who are unable to "actually learn to read and are able to actually think for yourself". It is you who are just repeating the talking points of those who oppose the current attempts to reform health care.

There are many reasons to oppose the reform efforts going through Congress right now. The idea that they will outlaw private insurers from issuing insurance coverage is untrue, and is not a reason for opposing these reform efforts. If you wish your support of health care reform to be taken seriously, stop using distortions to oppose the current efforts underway in Congress. Use the truth instead.

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