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US: Health Care, Fort Hood (Fox 11/17-18)


Fox News / Opinion Dynamics
11/17-19/09; 900 registered voters, 3% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Fox: Health Care, Fort Hood, Swine flu)

National

Based on what you know about the health care reform legislation being
considered right now, do you favor or oppose the plan?

35% Favor, 51% Oppose (chart)

Do you think abortion procedures should or should not be covered by private
insurance plans?

37% Should, 51% Should not

Do you favor or oppose the amendment to the health care reform bill that
passed the U.S. House of Representatives last week that prevents any federal
funds from being used for abortions?

50% Favor, 38% Oppose

If an individual receives financial assistance from the federal government
to purchase private health insurance, do you think they should or should not be
able to buy an insurance plan that covers abortion procedures?

39% Should, 52% Should not

On the issue of abortion, would you say you are more pro-life or more pro-choice?
47% Pro-life, 44% Pro-choice

How do you think the recent shooting incident at the Army installation in
Fort Hood, Texas where 13 people were killed is most accurately described -- as
an act of terrorism or as a killing spree?

44% Act of terrorism, 49% Killing spree

Do you think it is more likely that alleged Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan
was a Muslim extremist protesting U.S. foreign policy or that he was just
someone who went nuts and shot at his co-workers?

38% Protesting U.S. foreign policy, 45% Just went nuts

There have been reports that some people who knew Nidal Hasan could see
there was something wrong but did nothing. Do you think they kept silent mainly
because they didn't want to be accused of being prejudice against his religion
or mainly because they did not think he was really that dangerous?

46% Didn't want to be seen as prejudiced, 38% Didn't think of him as dangerous

Do you think the medical testing of the swine flu vaccine was done as
quickly as possible while still making sure the vaccine is safe, or was the
testing for the vaccine done too quickly so that people can't be sure it is
safe?

45% Done quickly while being safe, 40% Too quickly, can't be sure it's safe

 

Comments
taurus pt145:

I saw Newt about a week ago say that even if the healthcare bill is passed that it could be overturned later. He is the only one that I have heard say that.

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Stillow:

Well how many polls need to tell the Dems that the people do not favor what they are doing....by double digits people do not want this nonsense.........but the typical liberal we know whats best for you mentality seems to be in style right now.

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Farleftandproud:

Why the fuck doesn't this poll ask people the question...If you are in a car crash and you are uninsured and you don't want a 10,000 dollar hospital bill, would you than support a public option? I wish they would ask that question to all the naysayers who keep calling it "government health care". I would like Opinion Dynamics to ask people, "If you were paying a premium of $150 a month for health insurance or more, and you knew a public option or even an insurance coop could cut your costs in half, would you take it?

Everyone is against government healthcare until they need it.

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sjt22:

@ Stillow

I agree. Poll after poll has shown strong majorities in favor of Public Option, yet for some reason the Dems are on the fence about putting it in. Darn them not following public opinion!

That said, I think its a mistake to think that this poll is wholly representative of the population. Its 900 Registered voters, which we all know is going to have a conservative skew.

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sjt22:

@ Farleft

Like I said, don't put too much weight on this poll. The sample is skewed, the questions are odd.

Its unsurprising to see that a majority of people want to pretend that abortion doesn't exist. I wonder how many of those who say that even private plans shouldn't cover it realize that their plans probably do cover it, just like the RNC's health care plan has done for nearly 20 years.

The Hasan questions are also odd. Why is it necessary to make a distinction between terrorism and a killing spree?

As for the other question, the investigation has made it pretty clear that the Army wasn't being PC about this religion, they just didn't want the headache of having to deal with getting rid of him so they did what big organizations often do: they transferred him to another location. Unfortunately that location was Ft. Hood.

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Stillow:

sjt22

Almost every poll shows a majoirty, by double digits, say they do not favor the ehalth reforms being proposed by obama and congressional dems...its poll after poll showing that. But like I said, liberals beleive they are simply smarter than everyone else.

Farleftandproud

Lay off the kool aid........

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Cyril Washbrook:

I'm amused by the party IDs for this poll: 38-36-20. From what I've seen across the body of polling data across the country, there is a clear gap between the numbers of Democrats and Republicans, but independent scepticism toward the Democrats has kept the Republicans competitive in head-to-head races.

Consequently, I'd question two things. As an independent myself, I find it difficult to believe that according to this poll only 20% of Americans are independents, especially when other highly respectable polling organisations - including Rasmussen - have independents well into the 30s or even the 40s. And secondly, the two-point gap between Democrats and Republicans seems unnaturally low. If there were a large number of independents, then I could accept that small gap - but when you try to polarise the sample by pushing leaners to commit to an ID (as appears to be the case here), that should result in a larger D-R gap as wavering Democrats lean into the Democratic column (and there are more of them than wavering Republicans).

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Cyril Washbrook:

@Stillow: the polls also show that a majority of Americans do not trust the Republicans on health care. Any partisan from either side - and again, I speak as an unaffiliated observer - can take the data and try to prove any point they like. What's important to recognise is that America does not have direct democracy, and the Democrats in Congress are welcome to try to push through any legislation they like within acceptable limits, so long as they keep turning up to the ballot box every two years.

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Xenobion:

Lets all vote from an electronic remote.

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Common Sense?:

@sjt22 How can you tell a poll is skewed? I understand that the sample gap(between R's and D's) may be a little off. But honestly isnt every poll off a little? I guess I question is why is this poll skewed and not the next one. Is it because of Fox? The sample? just want you imput

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Wong:

Fox seems to have figured out a way to consistently oversample Republicans. A 2 point party gap seems' on the face of it, unbelievable and taints all other results. The other registered voter model in Nov (POS) shows an 11% gap. The pollster average is 5.1% and that number includes likely voter models which are weighted for more Republicans. Has the old man in the penthouse office got his finger on the scales? One wonders.

On the other hand it is important to be wary of the tendency to view any results that don't match you political views as invalid. No need to swell the ranks of the ideologically stupored.

Too many of them already.

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Farleftandproud:

This Healthcare plan once it is passed will be historic!!! Our our problems solved for Obama and the health sysem once it is signed? Absolutely not. Medicare was experimental back in 1965, but it has worked!!! The naysayers from the GOP continue to scare senior citizens into cutting one particular medicare program. The Dems need to make arguments that the GOP has no health plan and have no method into cutting costs other than medical savings acounts, which really will not cut costs. The fear mongers can sit back and wait for their worst fears about what Obamacare will do to seniors, but we'll prove you wrong! I myself wouldn't support a program that was going to cut benefits for seniors. The smears have been a success temporarily from the far right, but their bubble will burst eventually.

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Farleftandproud:

Rupert Murdoch is a slime ball with poor character. Hasn't he been married about 4 times? Is newest bimbo is about 39 and he is about 85. I can't imagine what sex with him is like.

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taurus pt145:

The conservative party takes total control of white house and congress 2012....health care reform will be overturned. Libs out of business for another 20 years.

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lat:

Taurus,

60 votes have been won. Your party has failed again. I actually give Harry Reid credit for getting it this far (I am no Harry Reid fan not by a long shot). Watching people like you go absolutely berserk over this only makes me happier, but why should anyone be surprised. Your party offers no constructive solutions on anything to do with health care all they say is this is a massive govvernment takeover and blah, blah, blah.

Attn. Mitch McConnell and John Bohner- Do us all favor and shut the hell up with your stupid anti-government bullshit rants and start offering some alternative solutions (that solution should not include town hall meetings where people yell Jesus will strike you down to their representative).

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Aaron_in_TX:

Four different questions on abortion...you'd think health care was only about abortion.

And that 2nd to last question is awful: "some people who knew Nidal Hasan could see there was something wrong but did nothing"

Yeah, no one did anything...that's why he was under surveillance by the FBI, had received poor evaluations, possibly the reason he was moved from Walter Reed to Fort Hood. People familiar with him knew he was against the wars, but that doesn't mean it was clear he was going to go beserk.

There have been far too many mass shootings the past 10 years - from Columbine to Virginia Tech to NIU and others...but none of them were termed terrorism. There were shootings in Orlando and Portland this month, shortly after the Fort Hood incident, but they were called "random acts of violence." The main difference is that this guy was a muslim and had reached out to some of its more extreme elements at some point in his past. That makes him a terrorist, when he did the same damn thing that dozens of people have done the past 10 years and none of them were termed terrorists.

Perhaps people should stop asking about his religion, but instead ask what it is about society or what it is about these individuals' mental state that drives them to lash out so violently. Incidents have happened in Finland, Germany, and Canada in this decade too, so it's not just the U.S., although we seem to have more of it.

I hope to God nothing like this happens again, but I REALLY hope it is not carried out by any muslim. Another incident involving a muslim will open up untold discrimination against them. 44% see this as terrorism. I find that amazing. I swear, there are people who would prefer that all mosques be closed and muslims put in internment camps or at least strictly monitored. The reaction to this on the right convinces me that they don't take the first amendment right to freedom of religion all that seriously. At least when it's a religion they don't like.


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taurus pt145:

lat

You will soon see what the conservatives have to offer and you're going to like it.

Conservatives out number libs 2 to 1. Your health care, energy, immigration bills will be crushed once we are back in power.

Get ready for Sarah.

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taurus pt145:

uuhhh lat

"Your party has failed again"

Not my party. My party doesn't get to DC until 2010

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lat:

Taurus,

Your party actually has solutions to offer? Really? I thought the government was evil and their entire mission is to obstruct. Oh, but wait a moment when it comes to sticking your hands inside a woman's uterus then the government is longer evil and has a purpose. Yup. I get it.

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taurus pt145:

lat

You'll see the common sense solutions in Sarah's second book scheduled for release Dec 2010. I think you're going to like it.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Well, Sarah's first book included such gems as "All I need to know I learned on the basketball court," and "If God didn't want us to eat meat, why are animals made out of meat?"

And I'm only to page 150.

So I'm looking forward to the next one.

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Field Marshal:

Lat, your meds!! Take them for the good of the people around you.

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lat:

Taurus,

What solutions might those be? How Jesus can run a government? How I got "saved" and you should be too? How to eat moose and like it? Just wondering what solutions Miss Alaska will have in store for us?


FM,

Who needs Meds? Watching people like you squirm and get upset over having a government totally controlled by people you despise is enough of a high for me. The best will be when health care passes and your taxes go up (those undeserving, downtrodden, no good freeloading,non- patriotic, folks will take hard earned american dollars out of your pocket) which will cause you to get even angrier and me happier.

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taurus pt145:

NY Times just dropped a bomb on Obama's economic polices. The Times claims that our current debt is unsustainable. Obama's numbers will soon be in the thirties. As a damage control measure O will can Geithner by the end of the year.

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taurus pt145:

lat

Please don't stand to close to me. I don't want to be hit by a lightning bolt.

P.S. none of my business but you may want to rethink the whole anti Jesus stuff

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lat:

Wrong Taurus! It's people like you and Miss Alaska that need to rethink your whole stuck up, pretentious, and frankly galling attitiude towards religion and politics in general. I happen to be Christian and believe it or not I even go to church every so often. With this said my wife is Jewish and my closest friend is gay. It's people like Sarah Nutjob who make me ashamed to admit that I am a Christian. As a Chrisitan I believe in respect for other religions and would never have the balls or the audacity to say that "my way" is the "only" way to heaven. My wife grew up in South Carolina and was taunted day after day because how could she possibly not "accept" Jesus as her savior? And how would you like to be a gay man who has had the same partner for 18 years and have to read everyday that your are committing a "sin"? Oh really, how about pre-marital sex? All hollier than though evangelicals who have not had pre-marital sex please raise your hand? Last time I checked that was also a sin (but nobody seems to care about that one)? In other words when it suits these slimeballs to use their religion for political gain that's ok, but as soon as it hits them in their backyard they stay silent. Hypocrisy at it's finest!

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taurus pt145:

lat

Sounds like you have a lot to work through, good luck to you.

Please do not read this link from the LA Times today, you will probably have a bigger meltdown

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/not-that-it-matters-politically-because-shes-a-republican-idiot-and-hes-a-democrat-geniusbut-sarah-palins-poll-numbers-are-c.html

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lat:

Taurus,

I have nothing to work through thank you. I have had many conversations with my minister about how I feel about this and have been nohting but honest and candid with him about it which frankly he respects. I am tired of listening to people like you and Sarah Palin try to pervert christianity into something it isn't. Chrisitanity is a welcoming and very tolerant religion, but you would never know it if you listened to the folks on the religious right...

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lat:

Btw- No melt down based on the latimes post- Quite the opposite- Enocouraged! Taurus, I will be your first volunteer to halp enusre Sarah Palin as the GOP nominee in 2012. Let me know where I may sign up?

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taurus pt145:

Wow, a Christianity perverter, seriously dude is that all you got?

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lat:

No Dude! Are we going surfing next? Like I said lets focus on what we have in common you want Miss Alaska as the nominee in 2012 and so do I so how can we work together to make that happen?

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