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US: Health Care (Kaiser 6/17-22)

Topics: National , poll

Kaiser Family Foundation
6/17-22/10; 1,207 adults, 4% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Kaiser: summary, toplines)

National

As you may know, a new health reform bill was signed into law earlier this year. Given what you know about the new health reform law, do you have a generally favorable or generally unfavorable opinion of it?
48% Favorable, 41% Unfavorable (chart)

Based on those who have an unfavorable view of the new health reform law (n=526): Given that you have an unfavorable view of the health reform law, which comes closer to your view of what should happen now:
29% The law should be given a chance to work, with Congress making necessary changes along the way
66% The law should be repealed as soon as possible

Do you think ________ will be better off or worse off under the new health reform law, or don't you think it will make much difference?
You and your family: 28% Better, 28% Worse, 39% No difference
The country as a whole: 42% Better, 32% Worse, 19% no difference

Say a candidate for Congress voted FOR the health reform law. Would that make you more likely to support that candidate for Congress, more likely to oppose that candidate for Congress, or wouldn't it make much difference in your vote?
34% More likely to support, 55% 31% More likely to oppose, 32% No difference

Party ID
35% Democrat, 25% Republican, 31% independent (chart)

 

Comments
Farleftandproud:

Too many Americans are just plain stupid. They can vote against leaders who passed historic legislation, yet when we have a party who got us into a war and got us into debt, people still supported Iraq for too long of a time, and continue to support wasting money in Afghanistan. It is really sad that our priorities are so twisted.

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Farleftandproud:

This was the part I was puzzled by, considering the rest of the poll seemed to be putting HCR in a more favorable light. "34% More likely to support, 55% More likely to oppose"

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rdw4potus:

The more likely to oppose number is wrong above. The answers for RVs from the toplines are 35% more likely, 32% less likely, 31% no change.

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Farleftandproud:

I seriously hope this is a mistake.

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Field Marshal:

They can vote against leaders who passed historic legislation

Yeah, historically BAD! HAA!! Most people aren't stupid. They realize how terrible the health care overhaul was and want something that will contain costs, which this bill doesn't do.

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rdw4potus:

You can actually click on the link to Kaiser's poll and check for yourself...

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Emily Swanson:

rdw4potus: Thanks for the correction -- my apologies for that. I did post the numbers for all adults rather than registered voters but they are very similar.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Yeah, historically BAD! HAA!!"

There are always people on the wrong side of history who are forgotten in the long run. It's okay with me if you want to be one of them.

Best example is your hero, Ronald Reagan. He railed and railed against socialized medicine in the 60s using familiar argumets. (ie: France's health system was broke...it still exists). But by the 1980s he had conveniently forgotten all that, was a supporter of the general principle of medicare and did absolutely nothing as president to weaken it. His 1981 cuts barely touched it and by 1988 it had grown.

Of course, Reagan always knew how to play to his audience, especially when his audience was the American people. He made sure he wasn't on the wrong side of history.

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Aaron_in_TX:

In 10 years republicans won't be talking about how to repeal health care. They'll be talking about how to make it better.

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HookedOnPolls:

June 30, 2010 - Quinnipiac University Poll

Ohio voters still disapprove 55 - 36 percent of the federal health care overhaul passed earlier this year compared to 55 - 38 percent in April.

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Field Marshal:

Aaron,

There are always people on the wrong side of history who are forgotten in the long run. It's okay with me if you want to be one of them.

Sure.... keep believing that. As someone who has studied the issue enormously, i have no doubts that Obamacare will go down as a utter failure. Just look at MassCare for what its future looks like.

But I'm sure the libies and the left-wing press will spin the terrible results and blame insurance companies, republicans, big corporations, and/or poor regulation and not the fact that the HCR bill is poorly written by special interests and idiot, alcoholic senators.

Its okay with me if you want to blindly follow your moronic leader off a cliff like the other Obamabots on the board.

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Xenobion:

Why did we even approach universal healthcare? Was it because of the wonderful magical creation that the state of Mass did? No its because of 99%of the rest of the industrialized world (practically no exaggeration) does it and does it well. History is on the side of universal care even if you choose to cherry-pick its faults.

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Field Marshal:

X,

We had universal care before ObamaCare whether you care to admit it or not. People got the care they needed if they sought it, no matter how destitute they were.

I love the excuse that the "rest of the industrialized world does it and does it well". Can i use that?

The rest of the industrialized world enforces its borders and throws out illegals. They also allow their police to ask anybody, without any pretense, for their citizenship papers. When is the US going to join the rest of the industrialized world and do the same?

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Just look at MassCare for what its future looks like. "

It's popularity is 2-1 even in a bad climate. So it's overwhelmingly popular there and was signed by Mitt Romney.

"Amid a severe recession that has led to cuts in state programs and unrelenting job losses, 59 percent of those surveyed said they favored the state’s multimillion-dollar insurance initiative, down from 69 percent a year ago. The poll, by the Harvard School of Public Health and The Boston Globe, found that opposition to the law stands at 28 percent, up slightly from 22 percent in a June 2008 survey."

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2009/09/28/support_for_mass_health_insurance_overhaul_drops_but_is_still_strong/

A good part of the reason Scott Brown won is that he argued the national plan would mess up the state plan and that Mass residents would have to pay twice - for the nat'l plan AND the state plan. He certainly didn't campaign on getting rid of the state plan.

You're making my point for me. Republicans in Massachusetts talk about how to make health care more efficient and they agree with the principle of universal coverage.

Here's Scott Brown:

"In Massachusetts, I SUPPORT the 2006 healthcare law that was successful in expanding coverage, but I also recognize that the state must now turn its attention to controlling costs."

Here's Charlie Baker:

"The Massachusetts Health Care Reform law was intended to create more options for individuals, and make quality care more affordable for families, individuals, and for small businesses. Instead, BECAUSE OF THE WAY IT HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED, the state now has fewer products, more mandates, fewer options, and higher costs."

Find me on their web pages where they advocate repealing the state health care plan. You can't. They just want to tinker with it, as do 29% of the opposition to health care in this poll.

Only 66% of the opposition wants it repealed - that's about 27% of all adults from this sample.

The things these republicans are arguing are things like: you should be able to choose whether you want things like prescription drug coverage or mental health coverage in your state plan, which I would agree with. Patrick's website even talks about how they are pushing an amendment to increase options.

But ALL of them consider 97% insured an accomplishement, and none of them are arguing to REDUCE that number.

those quotes come from the Brown and Baker campaign websites. I don't think the site will let me link those.

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Xenobion:

Considering until recently I was one of the few that did not have insurance I can surely attest that we did not have universal care, if you want to admit it or not.

I use the justification of the "rest of the industrialized world does it and does it well" because its true, they have their own individual problems for sure but this is a justification of logistics and financial feasibility.

So your introduction of the myriad of problems other industrialized nations face Field Marshal is non sequitur. This is the argument at hand, if you want to use this as a podium to justify other arguments you can win like illegal immigration, don't abandon ship on your argument of Health Care to start another one.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"The rest of the industrialized world enforces its borders and throws out illegals."

Those countries have guest worker programs and special arrangements with former colonies and non-EU countries that provide workers like Albania. So it's easier to get papers.

But they have straight-up "anti-immigration" parties in Europe. We conveniently call it anti-*illegal* immigration because we have no guest worker program. But I have no doubt if we did have some sort of equivalent to the Bracero program - that those people would be scapegoated. That's what's happening in Europe.

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Field Marshal:

Aaron,

We have a VISA program that is similar to a guest worker program. We have H1-b and H2-b visas for temporary workers. Very similar to what most countries in Europe have. My argument in bringing it up was not to debate immigration law, but to shed light on the absurdity of using the "rest of the industrialized world" does it reasoning. And for what its worth, i agree we need a better organized guest worker program. Bush tried and failed to create one.

Back to real (and adult) debate with the ObamaCare. Scott Brown is in favor of MassCare, but has said that he needs to let it run its course before he changes support for it. The main reason he was for it and not ObamaCare, was that MassCare has a funding mechanism while Obamacare does not. In addition, he is in favor of states rights and allowing each state to create a health care strategy that is right for the individual state, not a one-size fits all, massive federal bureaucracy.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"he is in favor of states rights and allowing each state to create a health care strategy that is right for the individual state, "

That is a convenient position for him, since his state has 97% insured. What about the states that have 75% uninsured or less? He doesn't need to address that. But the fact remains he does not want to get rid of the state plan and probably never will.

"MassCare has a funding mechanism"

Part of Charlie Baker's criticism is that the state hasn't held its end of the bargain to certain providers.

You're dancing around the fact the principle of universal care is something they agree with.

On the other point:

H-1b's are for doctors, engineers, etc... H-2As are for agricultural workers, only about 30,000 people use them, so at least you realize that this is a joke.

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dpearl:

To return to the posted Kaiser poll - it does appear that there was a substantive increase in the popularity of the Health Care law since their last poll. The Pollster chart shows movement overall in that direction as well. It will be interesting to see if this trend continues and whether it makes any difference at all in November (the Kaiser poll is already two weeks old).

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