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US: Health Care (Kaiser 8/16-22)

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Kaiser Health Tracking Poll
8/16-22/10; 1,203 adults, 3% margin of error
1,066 registered voters
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Kaiser release, summary)

National

Of the issues you said would be extremely important to your vote for Congress in November, which one would you say will be MOST important? (asked of half samples)
Adults: 27% Economy and jobs, 14% Dissatisfaction with government, 12% Health care reform. 8% Budget deficit, 7% Immigration, 4% Afghanistan, 1% Energy policy, 1% Oil Spill
Registered voters: 28% Economy and jobs, 15% Dissatisfaction with government, 11% Health care reform. 9% Budget deficit, 6% Immigration, 5% Afghanistan, 1% Energy policy, 1% Oil Spill

What will make the biggest difference in how you vote for Congress in your district: specific national issues, local or state issues, the candidate's character and experience, or the direction of the nation as a whole?
Adults: 34% Direction of the country, 23% Candidate, 19% Local/State issues, 16% National issues
Registered voters: 34% Direction of the country, 23% Candidate, 19% Local/State issues, 16% National issues

As you may know, a new health reform bill was signed into law earlier this year. Given what you know about the new health reform law, do you have a generally favorable or generally unfavorable opinion of it?
43% Favorable, 45% Unfavorable (chart)

Party ID
34% Democrat, 23% Republican, 34% independent (chart)

 

Comments
Field Marshal:

-13 point swing in approval of health care reform. What happened? People saw their premiums for next year?

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Fred:

Isn't the Kaiser foundation supportive of the bill? Their polls had been among the most positive for the health care bill. This one appears to show bad news for dems come November.

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HookedOnPolls:

Yep! Kaiser always spun the best they could for "their" healthcare bill. Too bad for them that reality is so obvious by now.

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CompCon:

Kaiser was the only poll the democrats had left that showed HCR in at least a slightly positive light. Now they've lost even the company who manipulated the polls because they stand to make billions off of wasteful spending of Obamacare.

Here is an interesting contradiction with question number 19:

46% supposedly say they don't approve because it doesn't go far enough and yet 79% say that it gives government too big of a role in healthcare.

And this should be the one that makes the butts pucker on democrats:

"Health reform is just one of many indications that President Obama and the Democrats in Congress are taking the country in the wrong direction"

72% say that is a major reason for disapproval and 14% say that is a minor reason. Got that? 86% of the respondents say that Obamacare is an indication of how Obama and congress are taking the country in the wrong direction.

When is the last time you got 86% agreement on anything? That's huge.

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dpearl:

"When is the last time you got 86% agreement on anything? That's huge."
CompCon: That's 86% of the people who had an unfavorable view of the health care reform bill. (not 86% of the respondents as you indicate)

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John:

"46% supposedly say they don't approve because it doesn't go far enough and yet 79% say that it gives government too big of a role in healthcare."

Far enough in either expanding coverage or controlling costs.

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Farleftandproud:

This is the only poll that matters on health care reform, because it took many lifetimes to pass, and no way will it be repealed. Possibly the only part that could get overturned is the requirement to buy insurance.

The public doesn't like that one aspect of the health bill, but totally disregards that there is an attempt to lower prices, keep prices from inflating, and more competition. The GOP talked so much about buying insurance across state lines, but they did nothing to lower costs.

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Fred:

FLAP,

There is a chance the bill would get repealed. That chance is based on public opinion. If republicans simply TRY to repeal it, and the public approves of them doing so, and they can't repeal it because they don't have the votes, then during the next election cycle, if it stays a hot topic, the public will be influenced to vote for a republican for president who supports repeal, and more congressional members who support repeal.

remember, in 2006, Americans elected democrats mostly because of the Iraq war, patriot act, etc. The majority of people wanted out of Iraq. In 2008, regardless of who you blame for the economy, people were most persuaded that it was Bush's fault. Therefore, dems were elected again. Now in 2010, Obama is getting the blame for the economy not recovering too well, and for the deficit. Health Care is right there as well. So is immigration. Who knows what will be the main issue 2 years from now. If health care is still in the spotlight, and people still disapprove (which I'm sure they will), we could very well see further repeal of democrats, leading to repeal of the health care bill........ALSO, this hinges on the fact that Republicans must highlight a new bill that they will introduce. People want some sort of health care bill, and republicans will have to say "we'll repeal the old one you guys don't like and replace it with ours, if you like ours better"

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Field Marshal:

The public doesn't like that one aspect of the health bill, but totally disregards that there is an attempt to lower prices, keep prices from inflating, and more competition.

Actually it does none of those things but thanks for providing people with some misinformation which you apparently consumed without so much as one thought let alone a second.

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Aaron_in_TX:

" Republicans must highlight a new bill that they will introduce."

Not likely.

The republicans when they had control never brought a health bill forward. If they cared about it so much they would have. Bush vetoed SCHIP twice, that tells you about all you need to know. They DON'T believe in the principle of universal care, period.

Although they did give us medicare part D, which was completely unfunded.

People want some sort of health reform with a lot of benefits with no cost or consequences. Unfortunately that's not possible.

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Field Marshal:

They DON'T believe in the principle of universal care, period.

Not quite but its makes a fine bumper sticker talking point, doesn't it. Bush vetoed SCHIP twice because the GOP doesn't believe in government run care.

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CompCon:

"This is the only poll that matters on health care reform,"

One of the most moronic statements made on this site yet.

The only poll that matters is in November when the dems lose the house (and maybe the senate) and the dismantling of obamacare begins.

Let's twist Obama's lie around a little, "If you like my healthcare - you can keep it." Let's see how many people, like the jackboot unions, would voluntarily take Obamacare if they had a choice between that and real healthcare.

If you liberals like Obamacare so much, you should give up your current healthcare or you are all hypocrites.

And for those of you foaming at the mouth, that was sarcasm. It makes as much sense as the idiots who tell me that I should give up my social security if I'm a conservative.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Not quite but its makes a fine bumper sticker talking point, doesn't it."

So you do believe that all Americans should be covered, huh? That no one should go bankrupt due to health costs? Right.

We have an evil system as it stands. If you lose your job you lose your health care. So at your most vulnerable moment, you become even more vulnerable. Only the devil could devise a system that takes advantage of the weak like that. If you happen to contract an illness during that time, it was possible that insurers could refuse to cover that condition in the future because it was not covered at the time. The health bill changes that.

Sick people are weak. Conservatives never acknowledge that sick people's earning power is impacted. Healthy people can work or work harder if they need more. Sick people can't work even if they want to. You try working harder when you're undergoing chemotherapy and see how that works out.

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SC Guy:

Someone needs to make the Kaiser wiser. Whenever I see the Kaiser poll, I wonder how skewed their results are this time. It's like believing a gay marriage poll conducted by Rhode Island 'Equality' or some other poll produced by someone with an agenda.

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AlanSnipes:

@compcon:
Why is healthcare reform "wasteful" spending?
Are you in favor of the existing system before reform that wastes billions each year and doesn't cover everybody?
What would you do to provide afforable healthcare to americans?
Or do you believe that "I've got mine, the hell with everybody else?
Why does our health care system have to cost much more than other democratic nations who provide it to all their citizens?
Until you can come up with a positive solution to a terrible problem, you ought to stop your whining.
Again, instead of complaining what would you do to improve the health care system and make it affordable for all americans?

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Field Marshal:

So you do believe that all Americans should be covered, huh? That no one should go bankrupt due to health costs? Right.

Absolutely not. But believing that the reason for the GOP blocking SCHIP is because they don't want to cover a certain segment of the population with health insurance is a typical libies tactic of strawman misdirection.

It would be akin to saying since you are against the Med part D plan you do want old people to get medicine and would rather they just die.

We have an evil system as it stands. If you lose your job you lose your health care. So at your most vulnerable moment, you become even more vulnerable.

Though i wouldn't call it evil per se, i do think the system needs revamping. Health insurance should not be tied to the employer and everyone should have an HSA that covers only what they want covered, not extraneous things like drug rehab or elective surgeries.

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Farleftandproud:

Alan is right. HCR never was a popularity contest for me. Some issues are negotiable, but I would rather see Democrats lose an election to stupid tea party idiots, and fight them for the next 6 years, than to go back on the importance of health reform. Healthcare reform is not wasteful spending. Not like Obama spent it on a Hollywood theme park. Well, I find it ironic that conservatives on this site tend to disregard the fact that 50 million Americans are uninsured. They compare health care reform and going hard on corporations who fleece the public to Iraq or Vietnam? That is a typical Republican response. I mean, trying to overthrow a dictator and have a conflict not go our way, is very different from Obama trying to regulate insurance companies who have sucked the public dry, and make fortunes on people's sickness.

This is clearly why I never voted Republican and clearly has basically determined my affiliation all my life.

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John1:

@farleftandproud

Was that a serious post or are you just pulling our leg? I mean, its all one big joke right?

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Bukama:

This is the problem with partisan politics. Each side attributes vile motivations to the other side.

In reality, everyone should admit that both sides (or all sides, if you want to throw in libertarians) want people to have health care. No party "wants" people to die or suffer needlessly. But there are profound differences of opinion as to how to best achieve this common objective.

Republicans and most libertarians believe the system of social funding for health care (or health insurance) is a fundamental reason the provision of health services has become more expensive, far exceeding the rate of inflation over the last 4 decades or so. We believe if you remove cost considerations from the consumer (by providing socially funded or subsidized care and/or insurance), then consumers will not consider cost when utilizing these services. And that means costs go up because the market has been disabled.

I think liberals understand this danger - but they have faith that government can substitute in a fair and efficient way for market determinations with government regulations. Obviously the right does not share that faith.

Once again, it is a clash of visions - very hard to bridge. But the right and left can agree on certain basic health care conditions. A safety net, for example, in emergency rooms. Gov't sponsored medical clinics. In short, a basic level of health care.

Beyond that, conservatives recognize that the amount of health care that can be provided is finite (there isn't enough wealth in the world to supply every person with every bit of health care they might benefit from). Therefore, health care must be rationed one way or the other. Conservative fear that if the rationing is left up to the government, it will be, at the margin, taken away from people who responsibly planned and saved for it (by being insured and saving), and given to those who were less responsible. Also, they know that whatever the size of the health care pie to begin with, there will be less to go around once government administrators increase the waste and fraud that are indemic to large government operations (so that means less health care for everyone).

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