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US: Health Care (Rasmussen 1/16-17)


Rasmussen
1/16-17/10; 1,000 likely voters, 3% margin of error
Mode: Automated phone
(Rasmussen release)

National

Generally speaking, do you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose or strongly oppose the health care reform plan proposed by President Obama and the congressional Democrats?
38% Strongly/Somewhat Favor, 56% Strongly/Somewhat Oppose (chart)

 

Comments
Roman:

Hey Stillow,

If you are out there. Do you like how much health care stocks are rallying now that there won't be any health reform.

I am enjoying the ride! Ripping off the American public never felt so good!

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StatyPolly:

Aaron,

"those that have the misfortune to be sick. ...we force them into bankruptcy."

Who do we force into bankruptcy? Have you seen any reasonably reputable stats that show who and how many go bankrupt because they got sick. I've never looked for any, but it seems nonsensical on its face.

Do poor people go bankrupt? They're already poor. And they usually qualify for federal or state assistance. Whatever number do go bankrupt are middle/upper middle class WHO WERE IRRESPONSIBLE and didn't have appropriate coverage, and chose to spend that money on something else, like too much of a house for their means, luxury cars, dining out, travel etc.. I know a few people like that. Make a very decent living, enjoy finer things in life, but complain about not being able to afford health insurance.

Are there holes in the system that some fall thru who should not? Sure. We should work on plugging some of those holes. But not bailing out the irresponsible. Should we bail out those who lost their retirement nest eggs because they invested in too much risk?

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Roman:

I too don't have the statistics in front of me, but something like 70% of personal bankruptcies in America are due to health care costs.

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bigfoot9p6:

Currently about 30-40000 Americans die each year because they dont have medical insurance. For those on the right, this is quite a bargain for a 80 point jump in the DJIA. While disgusting, this should not be particularly surprising. After all, we learned from the Sotomayor nomination just how horrible compassion and empathy are to republicans.

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Field Marshal:

I love the lies the left throws out there. 30,000 - 40,000 die from a lack of health insurance. Baloney. That comes from the Harvard study done by Himmelstein who, surprise surprise, is founder of a group trying to get single payer health care in this country.

Second, the personal bankruptcy thing is completely false. More people file for bankruptcy in Canada than they do in the U.S.

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2009/07/30/the_medical_bankruptcy_myth_97335.html

Fact is that its estimated more people would die in Canada from waiting for surgery than would die in the US from a lack of health insurance, adjusted for population. Luckily, they have the US right next door to save a large proportion of them.


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Field Marshal:

But for those of you who want single-payer, i hope you get it as long as you don't outlaw private health care. Then you will see a two-tiered health system: a government run system and a private one (similar to Britain). Except the private one will only now be attainable by less than 5% of the population instead of 83% of it.

I am going to go way out on a limb and say that the private health care system will be far superior than the government run one. Just a hunch though! LOL.

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bigfoot9p6:

I love how the right dismisses any cold hard facts that do not agree with their preconceived notions. See... a) man-made global warming is impossible. b) evolution is impossible. c) saddam definitely has WMD's. d) Obama is not a US citizen. e) Palin is intelligent, hard working, and a good parent. f) fox news is fair and balanced. g) everyone in Europe and Canada cant stand their health care system. &, &, &, &, etc.

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bigfoot9p6:

And here's another one exemplified by FM above... z) the debate is between single-payer and private insurance.

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StatyPolly:

I appreciate the efforts of those seeking COMPASSION for those less fortunate among us. I do. Unfortunately, the big compassionate government solutions they espouse to will hurt those very same weakest and least fortunate the most. The poorest do the worst under such policies and the wealthy still find the ins and outs to game the system. History proves this every single time.

Besides, if US ever adopts single payer healthcare, where will the Canadians go to get theirs?

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Roman:

My argument is not even about compassion or not compassion.

My argument is that we can't afford NOT to "ration" health care. We are going to ration it one way or the other.

Either health care continues to get more and more expensive that at some point people will just have to go without it.

Or we make decisions now that we only pay doctors based on results and not the number of procedures they put us through. I guess that's "rationing". But its better than the first alternative.

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Field Marshal:

And i love how bigfoot9p6 and other libs on the far-left dismiss the cold hard facts and accept lies without even READING the study! If you had, you would know that its less than worthless. Instead, libs that have no facts, logic or critical thinking instead choose to simply state that it IS indeed fact and attack the poster. They simply accept what is told of them by their party leadership such as 1) man-made global warming, 2) Anything NBC/MSNBC says to say, 3)Palin is dumb but Obama is brilliant yet he admits he did poorly in school 4) creationism is false, 5) government will solve my problems, 6) I am incapable of providing for myself and need my nanny state to help me. The right is evil and the left is compassionate. Typical lefty... sad and typical.

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bigfoot9p6:

Field Marshal.
1) Man made global warming is based on scientific evidence, which I know is unpopular on the right. 2) I do not have TV and do not watch NBC or MSNBC, my opinions on current events are largely influenced by both conservative and liberal editorials linked from RCP. 3) Evidence provided by both parties behavior and grasp of the issues suggests this is true. 4) creationism may or may not be false but it certainly isn't supported by any tangible evidence. 5) Government seems to work for you on the right in solving international conflicts. 6) I currently am employed, not on welfare or anything else provided by the gov't that is not provided to your average Hannity. Finally, as mentioned before, the right demonized Sotomayor for being "compassionate and empathetic." While only a single data point, it is certainly one that refutes any notion of the right being compassionate.

PS; this statement "nd i love how bigfoot9p6 and other libs on the far-left dismiss the cold hard facts and accept lies without even READING the study! If you had, you would know that its less than worthless." neither refutes anything I said, nor provides any "cold hard facts" of your own.

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Field Marshal:

Uh, i supplied why you and your fellow libs assertions that 70% of personal bankruptcies were medical and that 30l-40k uninsured die each year from lack of insurance. You simply threw in the Dem and far-left talking points supplying no evidence.

If man-made global warming was fact, then we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we?

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bigfoot9p6:

Yeah, like there was no conversation about whether or not the earth was flat your intellectual ancestors required a few centuries ago.

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Roman:

The "cold hard fact" is we are going to have to "ration" health care one way or another.

It will either be from people not being able to afford it and going without health care.

Or from the government forcing doctors to be paid only based on results and not the amount of procedures they perform.

It will be one or the other. Pick which one.

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Field Marshal:

Yeah, but then they used science to PROVE that, without the use of models with more numerical input variables than the phone book. But some people are much more gullible than others. I require certainties and data to back up scientific "fact" and don't rely on consensus.

Actually, the Greeks proved the Earth was a sphere in the 3rd century before Christ.

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bigfoot9p6:

You seem to accept the fact that it is not occurring without any facts based on the consensus of Hannity, OReilly, Limbaugh etc. It just so happens that I am a scientist, and by necessity I have to determine what is reality based on cold hard facts. Therefore, I respect (if not totally accept) the overwhelming conclusion arrived at by others in the scientific community. And I certainly do not reject their conclusions based on the "gut-feeling" of right wing talk show hosts.

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Field Marshal:

I dont listen to right wing talk show (you seem to have an obsession [fetish?] about them). I looked at the data myself and took several classes on it while going for my masters.

While global warming (and cooling) is no doubt happening, i do not see conclusive evidence that it is the cause of man. It seems to me that scientists who have a self-interest in a particular outcome, must assume too many variables and assumptions in order to reach that conclusion. Until those variables are hard data and fact based, not assumed, i will have a hard time conceding their case.

P.S. I won't stoop to your obvious childish level and accuse you of listening to left wing talk show hosts and TV personalities on the subject.

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bigfoot9p6:

I hear this alot from the right: "these scientists have an interest in a particular conclusion." What interest might that be? Do you think that it is more likely for them to like win the lottery or suddenly become irresistible to the opposite sex should they come to a certain conclusion? As for your post script, you already did when you said "They simply accept what is told of them by their party leadership such as ... 2) Anything NBC/MSNBC says to say,

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bigfoot9p6:

Your impression of the way scientists come to conclusions is absolutely 180 degrees from reality. As I mentioned, I am one, and I can tell you from personal experience just how difficult it is to get the scientific community to accept any given conclusion. It requires an absolute preponderance of evidence against any other reasonable conclusion. Much, much more than the reasonable doubt requirement typical for a court of law. By the way, as a liberal I wish all the best in your pursuit of a Masters. But I would be cautious; your ideological peers may very well reject you for being an elitist.

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Field Marshal:

Are you prepared to assume that all scientists draw conclusions the same way and that there are no nefarious motives taking place? If so, that's a big leap in my opinion.

In my mind, until these scientists can obtain CLOSE to the same conclusions, it is not a scientific fact. I mean, how can it be fact if one scientist has one conclusion and another scientist has a different conclusion when using the same underlying data?

I have completed two masters degrees: MBA and Masters of Economics. Third is almost done in Masters of Public Policy.

Being educated and being an elitist are two VERY different things. I would implore you to read Intellectuals by Paul Johnson. Modern Times by Paul Johnson is my favorite book by the way.

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bigfoot9p6:

Again, what are these alleged nefarious motives? And why are you willing to accept that they are guilty of said motives without any evidence whatsoever, let alone "scientific fact." As to your third point, I am happy that despite your education you do not consider yourself elitist, I just question whether your ideological peers would give you the same leeway.

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Farleftandproud:

What comes around goes around. The Mass voters are clearly showing their selfishness. Oh, the state has made it so people can be insured, and now they don't want to lose their good healthcare regulations to be affordable, so you vote for a Republican who will try to hinder healthcare for the other states. That is the typical selfishness I see in American society. We give so much money to the poor people have Haiti, yet we can't care for our own people with many homeless people, and far more than other industrialized country. We have 50, 000,000 uninsured and most of these people are working. I think if health care reform continues to be supressed, there will be violence and revolution. The left will only stay silent and peaceful for so long. I think down the road, our healthcare will be unsustainable, and will bring our country into a even greater recession than we have now.

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Farleftandproud:

Democrats are a bunch of pussies and Republicans are a bunch of self centered bullies. Already some Democrats like Senator Webb. We need more progressives with guts.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Statypolly,

Let me explain to you my feelings on healthcare and why I think how I do.

My father was a farmer, worked for himself, so he had an individual policy with a regional health ins company that no longer exists (I believe it was bought out by Aetna a few years ago). He discovered in 1996 (age 53) that he had a lung disease that could not be identified (likely due to pesticide exposure), but it didn't cause him too much trouble right away. They called it COPD for lack of a better term, but it's not the same as the COPD/emphysema associated with smoking. Due to the nature of his diagnosis (doctors determined the damage to his lung had probably occurred in the 1980s), the health ins co. declared that this was a pre-existing condition he had not disclosed and consequently voided the policy he had. They renewed him and introduced an elimination rider for this condition.

This became disastrous a few years later. In 1999/2000, the damaged area became infected which required 12 hospitalizations in two years time. I was 16/17 at the time; it was particularly traumatizing. He did recover, but his ability to work was severely impacted. Now, farmers usually don't have a lot of liquid capital, and his hospital bills were immense due to insurance not covering much of it. Eventually they were able to get him on my mom's employer plan but it took several years and a lawyer to do it because they resisted. So he couldn't make money like he used to and had immense bills to pay. He's never told me the financial details, out of pride I think, but he sold all of his property, and from what I know of his finances now, the health bills must have consumed around 90% of his assets.

To make matters worse, in 2008 he was diagnosed with large granular lymphoma, which completely obliterated his ability to hold even an easy part-time job (he had been working pt for a church before). My mom had changed jobs by this time and her insurance was not as good, so bills were starting to pile up again. They would have gone bankrupt or lost their house. Luckily by then I had just gotten out of the military after 6 years, did two deployments so I had some cash saved up; I was able to pay off their mortgage. They went on medicare in 2009 and the situation eased somewhat.

If the insurance had worked the way it was supposed to, many of the problems could have been avoided. I will always, ALWAYS support health care reform due to that experience. What happened to him was wrong.

Now I'm not in the greatest situation since I don't make all that much money anymore and can only afford a high-deductible plan. I have a couple grand in the HSA, but it doesn't yet cover the deductible. It'll take me a few more years at this rate so until then if I have an accident or get sick I may be the one bankrupt. All my assets will just about cover one year's deductible & coinsurance. All I can do is hope I don't get sick so it doesn't come to that. Again, I don't see how this kind of system is good and if baffles me that people are resistant to changing it.

This is our system - your insurance is tied to your job, so if you lose your job you lose your insurance. But if you get sick you may lose your ability to work and thus your job and insurance. Only the devil could have devised a system that evil.

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Farleftandproud:

Texas still leads nation in rate of uninsured residents

12:00 AM CDT on Wednesday, August 27, 2008
By JASON ROBERSON / The Dallas Morning News
jroberson@dallasnews.com

Texas once again led the nation with the highest percentage of residents without health insurance, a U.S. Census Bureau report showed Tuesday, although the same study also reports a slight dip last year in the percentage without coverage across the nation.

Almost one of every four Texas residents – 24.8 percent – were uninsured in 2006 and 2007, based on an average of the rates for those two years. That's up from 23.9 percent for 2004 and 2005.

The national number also increased a bit for the two-year period to 15.5 percent. However, looking at 2007 by itself, the percentage of uninsured in the country fell from 15.8 percent in 2006 to 15.3 percent in 2007. (State percentages were given only for two-year periods.)

California still has the highest number – not percentage – of uninsured residents at 6.7 million, compared with 5.7 million Texans. The Texas number is up from 5.5 million in 2006.

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Farleftandproud:

Until people can get it through their thick heads that this is morally wrong to deprive citizens of preventive care, our country will continue to decay, and our progressive leaders need to wake up and focus on stats like this instead of all the bickering and fiscal and partisan nonsense. It makes me sick.

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