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US: National Survey (AP-GfK 1/12-17)

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AP-GfK
1/12-17/10; 1,008 adults, 4.4% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(AP-GfK release)

National

State of the Country
44% Right Direction, 50% Wrong Track (chart)

Obama Job Approval
56% Approve, 42% Disapprove (chart)
Economy: 47 / 48 (chart)
Health Care: 48 / 48 (chart)

Congressional Job Approval
32% Approve, 66% Disapprove (chart)

Job Approval / Disapproval
Dems in Congress: 40 / 57
Reps in Congress: 32 / 65

Do you want to see the Republicans or Democrats win control of Congress?
49% Democrats, 37% Republicans

Would you like to see your own member of Congress get re-elected in November, or would you like to see someone else win the election?
43% Re-elect own member, 47% Someone else

Favorable / Unfavorable
Joe Biden: 52 / 39
Sarah Palin: 45 / 50 (chart)
Michelle Obama: 74 / 21
Hillary Clinton: 69 / 29 (chart)
Dick Cheney: 38 / 55

In general, do you support, oppose or neither support nor oppose the health care reform plans being discussed in Congress?
42% Support, 42% Oppose (chart)

Party ID
32% Democrat, 21% Republican, 29% independent, 18% Don't know (chart)

 

Comments
Farleftandproud:

I still believe this poll is correct. Now I am worried the GOP may take Romney more seriously in 2012 since Brown won the senate seat. It is kind of scary. As a progressive, I still like to see the GOP as an exclusive midwest, south, and mountain west, Very conservative party. Romney is sort of a resident of Mass, Michigan and utah.

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James Debate:

Whoa, this is an unusually positive poll.

Also, Farleftandproud, I disagree, I would much rather see the GOP move away from the anti-intellectual, anti-science southern base. I would have far less reason to hate them then, especially if next year they have an increased presence in congress.

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Field Marshal:

"Anti-intellectual and anti-science"... libs are too funny. Its comments like that which display an anti-intellectual agenda about liberals!

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Williame123:

This poll is no better than cnn, nbc, allstate, fox or the rest. Numbers vary due to random error and methodology. It only seems wierd because of the narrative of obama being dead that the media is pushing.

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Williame123:

The last i checked it wasn't liberals who wanted to teach creatism in biology classes. Liberals don't bash our finest academic institutions.

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Xenobion:

Most conservative states rank last in education test scores and overall educational merit. What'd you expect? The facts are there. Education is socialism and you don't spend money on it more than you need to.

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Mark in LA:

Field Marshall, you are the party of Sarah Palin, after having been the party of "W". Our case was made with eight years of the Bush Administration - and is now being made with every book she sells and every interview she grants.

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Stillow:

No, libs are far to busy bashing instittuions liek our military....you know those dumb poor soldiers who keep you safe?

Conservatives don't bash academeics, they bash biased academics.

Its libs who beleiv ein junk science, like faulty global warming data.

Oh and every conservative I know wnats to teach all theories about life from creation to big bang.....isn't that what education is for? To study all ideas and draw your own conclusions?

Is that all you ugys know how to do anymore? Is to launch personal attacks?

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Stillow:

Mark in LA:

Riiiight, cus Obama, Reid and Pelosi are proving to be iconic figures of wisdom and genius aren't they?????????

lol

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Williame123:

All theories about creation are not scientific and should not be taught in science classes. That is what religion and philosophy classes are for.

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Field Marshal:

Stillow, you beat me too it!

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Field Marshal:

William,

Yes, they want to simply mention Creationism along side evolution. While i believe in evolution, i also believe in creationism. Libs just cant stand not controlling the entire argument, hence they stance on global warming and creationism.


X,

Education is socialism, hence the state of public schools in this country. It also stands to reason why the best education system in the world, our higher ed system, is mostly private!

In the future, i wouldnt use education as a benchmark for socialisms success.


Mark,

Stillow beat me to it. But i wouldn't be throwing stones when you live in a glass house. Yours is the party of O, Reid and Pelosi. Not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas, sorry Holiday tree!

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Williame123:

Also, libs don't reflexively bash the military, they bash the political leaders that make war plicy. You guys try to conflate the 2 to insulate yourselves from crticism over dumb decisions.

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Williame123:

Field Marshal

"Yes, they want to simply mention Creationism along side evolution. While i believe in evolution, i also believe in creationism. Libs just cant stand not controlling the entire argument, hence they stance on global warming and creationism."

All theories about creation are not scientific and should not be taught in science classes. That is what religion and philosophy classes are for.

Teaching creationism in science class is as silly as teaching literature in math class.

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BH:

This poll is a clear outlier at best and at worst shows how the AP plows ahead with a weighting model they know will skew a favorable result for Dems. +11 Dems over Reps? 21% R's overall? Seriously? Even in the last Presidential election the breaks were 39D-32R-29I. As we've seen in the wake of the fall 2009 contests and last night, the 2008 turnout of +7 D's was clearly the Dems. high water mark. Nevertheless, the AP is running with 32D-21R-47I/DK. And what's with the don't knows? 18%?! Why on earth would any reputable pollster allow them (let alone so many) since they can heavily skew the results.

This poll is completely useless as it provides zero confidence that it accurately reflects the current electoral landscape due to its unknowns and fantastically skewed model.

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Xenobion:

Uhhh except FM all of those awesome public colleges that knock private colleges out of the water. I mean don't get me wrong the Harvards and Yales certainly pump out pretentious liberal arts students with no skills but you look to Cal-Tech (tech/science) /Berkley (bio-sciences)/MIT (sciences) /University of Washington (best medical school in the country) as our best schools that actually put people to work. Yeah socialism really sucks doesn't it when it works?

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Stillow:

Williame123

Really? I guess you never saw the libs in the 60's and 70's bashing soldiers...spitting on them as they return from war. Libs routinely bash the military and what it does.

FM is right. private education is superior in nearly every way to that of public education. Kids in private school outperform kids in public school....probably why most liberals politicans send there own kids to private school. Liberals like ahving two systems, one fo rht eelites and one for the peasants.

Kinda like what they tried with HCR, create an inferior system for the peasant class and then make sure they keep there high end coverage!

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StatyPolly:

X,

Cal-Tech and and MIT are private U's.

In fact, the lists compiled by US News and World Report and by Princeton Review only one or two public schools make it into the bottom of top 25.

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Williame123:

Stillow:

Simple question; Why is Berkley better than Liberty University? Why is UVA better than Bob Jones Univ? Could it be the same reason(s) Harvard is better than UMass? I don't know. Why is socialism at Berkley and UVA beating out capitalism at Bob Jones and Liberty U?

Please help me out.

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Stillow:

Williame123

I am talking about all education...k-12 and higher ed. Why do rich libs put there kids in private schools k-12? Because they know public schools are inferior.

Tht is what liberals do. They love having two systems, one for them and one for everyone else. They claim public schools are great, ye tht efirst chance they get they put ther ekids in private schools. And then they oppose school choice programs via vouchers, etc....cus liberals don't want there kids exposed to our poor dumb average kids.

Just like in HC, they want you stuck on a system run by them, but they want a seperte special system to accomodate themselves.

And you brainwashed libs eat that crap up like its fresh apple pie.

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Xenobion:

My bad on Cal-Tech/MIT but I guess they must be really great schools for 43k a year. I mean the private sector must be really offering us competitive prices versus those inefficent public universities that are remotely good. Psh.

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Williame123:

StatyPolly

"In fact, the lists compiled by US News and World Report and by Princeton Review only one or two public schools make it into the bottom of top 25."

And yet 6 out of the top 10 engineering schools are public Univs according to US News. What gives?

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StatyPolly:

X,

You are not really claiming that public schools offer near as good of education at much lower prices, are you?


I think you forget to take into account how much states pump into public schools from taxes they collect from us.

Berkley and U of Washington don't cost the 10K a year, of whatever the actual tuition is. I don't know what the number is, but it's likely closer to the private schools' tuition or higher.

Hate to break this to you, but there is no Magic Obama Money out there, baby.

The Tooth Fairy - greatly exaggerated also.

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Williame123:

Stillow

Can you please address these particular questions?

Simple question; Why is Berkley better than Liberty University? Why is UVA better than Bob Jones Univ? Could it be the same reason(s) Harvard is better than UMass? I don't know. Why is socialism at Berkley and UVA beating out capitalism at Bob Jones and Liberty U?

It might give you some insights into K-12 education.

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Mark in LA:

Stillow. Why would you call it a "personal attack" to be associated with Sarah Palin? Is she really that disgusting to you?
This sounds like a classic case of a guilty conscience to me.

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Stillow:

Williame123

your questions don't make any sense. My point which is obvious....well I guess its obvious unless you went to public school perhaps. liberal politicans put there children in private schools, why? Because they are superior is why. Same with HC....same with a lot of things coming from liberals....do as we say, not as we do.

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Williame123:

Field Marshal

"Education is socialism, hence the state of public schools in this country. It also stands to reason why the best education system in the world, our higher ed system, is mostly private!"

Please help me with these questions.

Simple question; Why is Berkley better than Liberty University? Why is UVA better than Bob Jones Univ? Could it be the same reason(s) Harvard is better than UMass? I don't know. Why is socialism at Berkley and UVA beating out capitalism at Bob Jones and Liberty U?

6 out of the top 10 engineering schools are public Univs according to US News. What gives? Why is socialism working so well in engineering education and research?

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Xenobion:

University of Washington instate tuition is 7.5k a year. Its the best Nursing/Doctoral program in the Country and while its publically funded. It has been an incredible boon for the private sector health care industry in the state as well as all the grant oriented jobs it creates.

I really doubt I'd be saving money that much if we scrapped the public school system and all went private. University of Pheonix is a really great institution after all and all of its lack of accreditation.

Private universities are typicallty just well endowed institutions, not that they work any more efficent that a public university. Having a manicured lawn makes it so much more important and justified to play 43/k a year for your education.

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Field Marshal:

William,

Don't try and compare public schools and private, its a losing battle for you. Some public schools are really good, but most aren't. Berkeley is really good depending on who you ask. US News rates it highly but Forbes doesn't; each has a different criteria.

How come virtually every private high school in the country is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the local public high school it competes with? How come rich liberals like Al Gore et al send their kids to private schools?

P.S. Harvard and then Johns Hopkins are the best medical schools in the country.

P.S.S. University of Phoenix is an accredited school.

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Xenobion:

Yeah after several problems U of P ended up getting accredidation.

I feel as if you're going to talk about all the bad public schools its only warranted to talk about all the horrible private schools.

P.S. Harvard and John Hopkins are only top in research (which only means they have more money) and not in actual primary care.

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Field Marshal:

X,

Oh, didn't know we had stipulations on the type of medical school it had to be. University of Wash. is a very good medical school.

Sure, there are bad private schools. I wouldn't say University of Phoenix is any worse than some state schools and they are definitely better then community colleges.

People from all over the world flock here to attend both our public and private schools and universities. And i can say with great confidence that that would not be the case if there were no private schools competing with the public schools. It would be much more similar to secondary schools in this country.

And the University of Phoenix has never lost its accreditation since it gained in 1978. Don't know why i'm defending them but they do provide a valuable service to society in educating people who would otherwise not be accepted to state or private schools.

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Williame123:

Field Marshal

"How come virtually every private high school in the country is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the local public high school it competes with? How come rich liberals like Al Gore et al send their kids to private schools? "

Which private school in VA is better than UVA?
Which private school in Michigan is better than UMich?
Which private school in Washington State is better than UWash?

6 out of the top 10 engineering schools are public Univs according to US News. What gives? hy is socialism working so well in engineering education and research? Communist China is dominating the world in the international math and physics olympiads. Why?

Most MIT and CalTech undergrads come from public schools. Why?

Your simplistic and callow analysis is missing the point entirely and that is why you can't answer these questions.

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Field Marshal:

First, reread my quote and then look at what you wrote. I said high schools. Then you posted names of colleges.

Second, William and Mary is better than UVA in VA.

Third, almost all people are forced to attend the public school that they live near. Less than 3% go to private school. However, MIT admits a MUCH larger percentage of students from private and homeschooling compared to public schools in relation to the pool.

Lastly, i don't remember posting any analysis so to call it callow is probably inaccurate.

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Williame123:

Field Marshal

"Education is socialism, hence the state of public schools in this country. It also stands to reason why the best education system in the world, our higher ed system, is mostly private!"

This was your original thesis and that is what I challenged.

"Second, William and Mary is better than UVA in VA."

No, it is not! UVA is a research Univ with top 20 business, medical and law school.

"Third, almost all people are forced to attend the public school that they live near. Less than 3% go to private school. However, MIT admits a MUCH larger percentage of students from private and homeschooling compared to public schools in relation to the pool."

MIT and Caltech take a larger percentage of homeschooled than public school kids? Hahaha. Thanks for the laugh. You are right about the private school kids though. However, that doesn't explain why MIT and Caltech have so many public school kids from Asia.

You also didn't answer the rest of my questions but let's bring it to back to K-12. Communist China is dominating the world in the international math and physics olympiads. Why?

Socialist Scandanavia is superior to the US in K-12 education. why? There is more but i will leave it.


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Field Marshal:

William,

UVA is 9 points higher than W&M in the US News Rankings but 16 spots lower on the Forbes rankings. I see your point.

Anyway, my point is that private schools, on average are significantly better than public schools. And its hard to argue with that case.

In addition, the Scandinavian model which you suggest is socialism, is much more capitlist than our system. In some of those countries, like Denmark, the Netherlands, and Belgium (low countries, not Scandinavia) they actually allow students to choose the public school they want to go to. There, the money is tied to the student, not the district they happen to reside in. This is what we need to do here. That way the funds are mobile and can move to the better schools creating competition. That is why they are superior.

I dont understand your response to the MIT and Cal Tech paragraph but don't really care. Your mind is closed and that's that. Meanwhile, even the liberals that are rich continue to send their kids to private schools while indoctrinating their supporters to thinking otherwise.

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Williame123:

Field Marshal

"Anyway, my point is that private schools, on average are significantly better than public schools. And its hard to argue with that case."

That is obviously true in the US but it proves little. I Have been stubborn on purpose to disabuse you of the reflexive instinct that public institutions are inherently inferior to private institutions in the abstract. In much of Europe and Asia the best Univs are public.

A communist country like China destroys the US in the international math and physics olympiads. Despite your rationalizations, socialist scandinavia has a better K-12 system.

Have u ever considered that Harvard is better than UVA not because it is run better but because it accepts brighter kids from wealthier homes on average? Or that UVA is better than Bob Jones not because it is run better but because it accepts brighter kids on average? Or that private school kids are from wealthier homes on average? Or that public schools have to deal with troubled kids that private schools won't take?

There is more to the story than I care to write about.

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Field Marshal:

"There is more to the story than I care to write about."

Ditto....

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jack:

This is an improvement of 0% in comparision to AP-GfK's next most recent poll (in December), when Obama also had a 56% approval: http://surveys.ap.org/data/GfK/AP-GfK%20Poll%20December%20Release%201%20Topline%20121509.pdf

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