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US: National Survey (ARG 4/17-20)

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American Research Group
4/17-20/10; 1,100 adults, 2.6% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(ARG release)

National

Obama Job Approval
47% Approve, 49% Disapprove (chart)
Dems: 88 / 8 (chart)
Reps: 11 / 87 (chart)
Inds: 38 / 58 (chart)
Economy: 43 / 53 (chart)

 

Comments
Farleftandproud:

Gallup Obama Job Approval (Last week)

This poll is clearly way off on Independents. At least by 6 points. Gallup still has the most fairminded questions in my opinion.

Dem 86 + 3
Ind 45 + 2
Rep 12 - 2

National Adults 48 + 1
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kingsbridge77:
This poll is clearly way off on Independents. At least by 6 points. Gallup still has the most fairminded questions in my opinion.

You mean you like Gallup better because you love Obama and his numbers are better in Gallup?

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rdw4potus:

This looks right in line with other polls on Independents to me. About the same as Q-Pac, CBS, Fox, etc. Gallup had one poll at 44%. Maybe it's time to consider that THAT was the outlier?

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rdw4potus:

hey FL&P,

Have you actually read the questions in this poll? They're extremely fair. They're short, they use neutral language, they use standardized descriptors in the list questions. I'm not sure if they rotate the items in the lists (is the economy good, fair, poor, poopy), but if they do then this poll is almost perfectly formulated.

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Stillow:

farleft only thinks polls are legit if they show Obama where HE thinks he should be. All other polls are racist.

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Stillow:

In addition, gallup is a daily tracker....I wonder if Gallup was racist the other day when they had Obama at 45 approve and 48 disapprove....maybe they had a temp worker i nthere who was racist doing the numbers that day.

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CUWriter:

So a poll asks good questions, gets responses in line with the consensus and a topline that is basically a mirror image of the Pollster compilation... and yet it's a bad poll?

Serious FLAP, give it a rest.

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Farleftandproud:

The bottom line is that Obama has not lied to the country. He had a progressive platform prior to being elected, his middle name Hussein was an issue before he was elected, he wanted to have some sort of health and insurance reform while he was running for office, he stood for financial reform while he was running for office, he supported cap and trade and environmental reform before he was in office, he was pro-choice, while he was running for office, he was black while he was running for office.

Now that he is president he has accomplished a lot of things that he said he would do. That is why I often wonder why Mccain didn't win, if what Obama's platorm has been this contreversial. That is what gets me the most about the voters out there, is that they sometimes are easily led by what people tell them and really are not that focused on the actual issues.

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Stillow:

Those are your OPINIONS that he did not lie or blah blah....when people disagree with your poitn of view it does not make them racist....or when a poll shows a majoirty disagree with your opinion it does not make them racist....it means your side is losing the debat eto anextent.....but the crying racism at every poll which doesn't support your perceptions is getting very old and boring.

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rdw4potus:

I don't see anything that even comes close to implying racism. I've even gone back and read the comments for the past few days. What am I missing?

Also, either he lied or he didn't. Whichever is true, that is a FACT. PERIOD. I might think that it's good that he lied. That would be my (in this case, foolish) opinion...

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Aaron_in_TX:

The racism talk is really unproductive. Mainly because it's irrelevant.

Racism is a factor in the opposition to Obama, but a minority element. The people who are racist almost certainly vote republican and have done so for a long time.

Democrats have not won the white vote since 1976. They have gotten between 40% and 43% of whites every election since 1988. Democrats are not going to do better than that. If you support them you have to deal with it.

Lumping all the opposition to Obama together as racist is no different than lumping together all democrats as socialists.

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Aaron_in_TX:

I should also note that there are racist elements within the democratic coalition as well.

But the popular understanding of white racism - those that believe that people of color are in some way inherently inferior, are not "real americans," or out of "their place" or beliefs of that nature - those people have for the most part been absorbed into the republican coalition. They used to be in the democratic coalition; at that time they were a stronger force.

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Westwoodnc Westwoodnc:

Oh there are plenty of racists in the Democrat Party. Plenty. It's just not....proper to talk about it. But in this past year, anyone paying attention to the Atlanta mayoral race knows about it. And that's just one race.

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Westwoodnc Westwoodnc:

Farleftandproud:
The bottom line is that Obama has not lied to the country.

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Are you serious? No, really are you serious?
http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MzI4MjQ3Mzk4MWJkNDkwNWZlYzcwNDA3NmQyNmIxYmI=

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GARY WAGNER:

All democrats aren't socialists, Aaron? I appreciate you trying to diffuse the racism claims but I wouldn't agree that "racists almost certainly vote republican". That's a political stereotype that the democrats have been working on for a long time. It is a hard one to break away from when you have the top democrats like Reid, Pelosi, and Dean making those statements and you have 90% of the liberal news networks trying to promote that same false image. These people like farleft are just mimicking what they hear on the MSM and on far left hate sites.

I have no way to prove it but I would be willing to bet that if you could find a poll and correctly identify racist people, you would find them very evenly distributed across the political spectrum.

Part of that comes from personal experience. I have relatives in southwest Ohio and they are some of the most racist people I know (my relatives - not all of southwest Ohio). They're all good ol' union boys. They wouldn't even dream of voting Republican. They wouldn't dream of voting for Obama either. I'd be willing to bet they left the president box blank in the last election.

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Stillow:

aaron - That is total garbage....that most racists vote republican anyway. What about a state like WV, dominated by Dems who vote for folks like Robert byrd? You leftists are so naive its scary. Racism is not a partisan issue, it never has been. And for every american that voted against Obama because he is black, there is probably one who voted for him just because he is black. This notion that the GOP is full of racists is stupid and it shows how weak and naive liberals are.

Some of the most popular figures in the GOP are minoirties and women...from Bobby Jindal to Sarah palin. Marco Rubio to Clarance Thomas. yet you libs feed off ignorant uninformed people.....you throw out the term racist...and for people who are weak minded just soak it right up. Because most o nthe left cannot think for themselves, they simply take whatever the media or g'ment tells them as factual. Libeals prey on the stupidity of a certain segment of our socieity.

I am a conservative aaron, am I a racist? Sites like this for example, its ALWAYS liberals who bring up race...people like farleft who just throw out racial accusation after racial accusation.

Liberals are extremely naive, becuse none of you seem to get the fact that racism exists within all races, all parties and economic classes. And its liberal who keep that fire fueled by constantly bringing up race in every issue.

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Farleftandproud:

I never ever said that All Republicans are racists. In fact I even came up to bat for George W. on race. He had a very diverse administration and his immigration plans were quite moderate. They were not as extreme as the measures that the state of Arizona who happens to have a Republican governor is doing.

I will admit that Republican governors do think up policies much of the time that are questionable in this regard, like "the National confederacy Day" planned by Governor Mcdonnell. I know that the confederates suffered in that war and deserve to be remembered, but it was not a smart political thing for Mcdonnell to do in a state that is heavily African American.

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lat:

Stillow and Westwood,

The 2 of you crack me up with your ignorant garbage (and Stillow you are smart enough to know better). I am going to say what I have said many times the gop made their living in the 70's and 80's playing the race card and the only reason it doesn't work anymore is because minorities make up a much larger % of the electorate. When Richard Nixon had his "southern" strategy or Ronald Reagan talked about "states rights" or when Willie Horton's face was flashed in white suburban living rooms as the black man who will come and behead you you are honestly going to tell me that these tacttics weren't racist? If you can say that with a straight face I feel sorry for you. The GOP has made their bed now they have to lay in it. I am not saying the dems are perfect on this issue (far from it), but people like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond switched from the dems to the GOP because they supported civil rights and never made any bones about why they were doing it. If the gop at that time had any moral spine they would have told both of them to go scratch their asses and that they were not welcome, but no such luck. The modern GOP is rooted in defacto racism, with that said not every Republican is a racist, but tactically...give me a break.

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Farleftandproud:

I don't know why the South didn't start going Republican until the mid 1960's. I would have thought that some of FDR's policies which were so radical for it's time with all his regulations, tax increases and increased government considerably.


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Farleftandproud:

Yeah, the Willie Horton ads were from the Bush 1 campaign team. I wouldn't say that was racist, since Horton was paroled early and killed again. In this case, I assure you that if Mike Huckabee is the nominee for the GOP in 2012 the Democrats will talk about the guy he paroled and killed 3 people in Washington state. I think he was African American as well. In this case it has to do with not being tough on crime, not any kind of bigotry.

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Mark in LA:

lat is dead on.
Either Stillow leaves a very, very, sheltered life, like in his Mother's garage - or he is wearing blinders and ear plugs.
In the world in which I live, race and racism are still huge factors in politics and life in general.
To ignore the impacts of race and racism, and to belittle their impact, is to live in a make believe world.

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GARY WAGNER:

Lat,

You liberals have finally overplayed the race card. If a republican scratches his ass its because he's racist. If he talks to a black man it is because he is a racist. If he doesn't talk to a black man it is because he is a racist. If doesn't like high taxes he's a racist. And on and on and on ad-nauseum.

It still makes people angry to be constantly slapped in the face with the same lies over and over again - but people's faces are finally getting numb after you obama apologists have overused the racism claim over the past two years.

As far as I know only one current member of the senate is a former KKK member and it sure as hell isn't a republican. I don't think George Wallace was a republican. I don't think LBJ was a republican.

Racism still exists. It is completely bi-partisan. The racism claims just make you people look stupid now. You're ranked right there with the birthers and the truthers.

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Stillow:

Good point comapring them to birthers and truthers...perhaps from now on I will refer to them as racers...

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Aaron_in_TX:

" for every american that voted against Obama because he is black, there is probably one who voted for him just because he is black."

So we basically agree that the issue is irrelevant when it comes to support and opposition. Any "racist votes" are probably not swing votes and already locked in.

I think the race issue should be explored and that there should be a dialogue. I get the feeling that conservatives would prefer to not talk about it and move on. They think it's trivial. To say that racism is not a factor is being naive. Of course race is a sensitive issue and it affects people's perceptions.

"I am a conservative aaron, am I a racist?"

I thought I made it clear that is not what I think.

"that most racists vote republican anyway."

I specifically defined white racist as a white person who believes in the inherent inferiority of other races. It makes little sense that someone with that prejudice would vote democrat.

Look at the county shifts. The counties along the Sabine river in East TX for example. They all went democrat in 1996, but not by large margins. They all went republican, by huge margins, in 2008. Gore and Kerry lost them too, but they were able to average about 35% in them. Obama was lucky to break 30% in any of them, and got 25% or less in several. This is part of a larger realignment. Something changed, and I'll bet race had something to do with it, along with other factors.

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Farleftandproud:

Not that this is related to the discussion, but getting back to President Obama's approval vs Bill Clinton and others, lets put policies and legislation aside and forget HCR, Immigration and all the other devisive issues.

As person I admire him because he has not been afraid of risks and like him or not, I felt as though he truly put himself in the place of those who are down and out, unemployed, and uninsured.

Unlike Clinton, he has had no known affairs, he has not been in any known scandals, whereas Bill Clinton in 1994 was dealing with investigations like Whitewater. He admitted to Gennifer flowers being his mistress, and Little Rock police claimed he asked them to solicit women.

Of course I was a loyal Democrat and there were times I didn't want to defend Clinton anymore. Obviously he got himself into situations that got him in trouble. Even after the Monica scandal and Impeachment his approval was off the charts. It was like 60 percent.

I think that I am a bigger fan of Obama than Clinton for many of these reasons. I don't want to speak too soon, but as far as I know him, he has kept a calm demeanor and considering the crap he has had to face and all the lies and misinformation, I admire him even more for staying strong.

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Westwoodnc Westwoodnc:

Since I'm the only one who isn't white here, I have SUPREME MORAL AUTHORITY in determining who is racist. Ergo, yep, everyone here who is a Democrat is racist. FLAP is probably a racist since he lives in Vermont. If you liked minorities so much you wouldn't live in Vermont. Also: whatever you're gonna criticize me is because of your racism. Own up to your racism Democrats; it's part of your 160 year history! From the Trail of Tears, Slavery, Japanese Internment, Black separatism, MECHistas and racial quotas, Democrats have a long stories history with racism.

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lat:

Like I said I am not accusing all republicans of being racist, but I do say that their tactics as a party over the last 45 years have been so either overtly or defacto. My former NJ governor Tom Kean is a Republican, I know him personally, and there is not a racist bone in his body to give an example.

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Field Marshal:

90% of black voters went for Barack Obama in the primaries. Racist? YOU BETCHA!!

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Aaron_in_TX:

"From the Trail of Tears, Slavery, Japanese Internment, Black separatism, MECHistas and racial quotas,"

You forgot Dred Scott, the American Colonization Society, and lynchings.

I think these are parts of what is more accurately termed American history, not democratic party history.

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Westwoodnc Westwoodnc:

I think these are parts of what is more accurately termed American history, not democratic party history.
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Or more specifically, American History, Chapter 12: Racism and the Democratic Party.

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Field Marshal:

"This notion that the GOP is full of racists is stupid and it shows how weak and naive liberals are."

It also shows how little thinking some of them do in order to attempt to win an argument.

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Field Marshal:

Here is a fantastic article for all the racers on this website.

Why the Left Needs Racism
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704671904575193921155425154.html

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Stillow:

I still have not seen a single lefty on this site admit that racism exists in all races, classes and parties. I'd probablyguess that the percentage of whites who hate blacks is equal to the number of blacks who hates whites.

Its the job of the rest of us to try and push these morons out of the debate...we all have our opinions and points of view and that is a good thing....what is it they say, the eagle cannot fly without both a left wing and a right wing!

But when we allow these naive people to just hurl accusations of raceism where none exists just so they can avoid the debate hurts us all. They reduce the debate into a pissing contest and who can throw the largest stone. in addition they do a great disservice to genuine acts of racism on all sides.

We all know what happened to the boy who creid wolf to many times....

Time to grow up a little lefties....and its not all of you, but grow up.

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kariq:

Field Marshal said: "90% of black voters went for Barack Obama in the primaries. Racist? YOU BETCHA!!"

No, because a similar percentage of blacks voted for John Kerry in 2004. According to CNN's results http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html , 88% of black voters voted for John Kerry in 2004. That is essentially unchanged from the percentage who voted for Obama.

You may have an argument if you claim that more blacks decided to vote because of Obama, but the fact is that African Americans vote overwhelmingly for the Democratic candidate, regardless of that candidate's race.

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Farleftandproud:

No, the left can show some ideas that stereotype people and in some ways border on racism. I think there were a lot of progressives who probably thought they could manipulate Condie Rice and use her as a scapegoat to get the truth out of what secrets she may know. Also, Clarence Thomas used the race card into thinking that White liberals didn't think that a African American judge could have conservative judicial views. He called it a "high tech lynching".

I'll keep my eyes opened this summer when I see tea party rallies and the senate candidates. I'll give the right another chance to see some progress!

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Farleftandproud:

I can't wait to see the next Nevada Senate poll. I am going to have a lot of fun on that one.

Progressives: You have to have guts. Someone wh admitted they were Democratic said I tend to go far and was insensitive. I personally believe that the liberals in much of the news media are too detail oriented and are afraid to take stands against things they feel strongly about.

When you see injustice or any kind of misinformation that you don't agree with and is changing public opinion in a way that will set our country back, get out, make phone calls and go to support the progressive cause of your choice. Don't ever be ashamed for being a progressive.

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Chad In Chicago:

I think that we need to consider that there is a difference between being racist and being prejudice. Being a racist and having the belief that members of a given ethnic group is somehow any less human is different from making a judgment about someone based on his or her race, class, style of dress, etc.

It seems to me that there are very few people in this country who are truly racist, but we are all no matter of our own race, class, or political views prejudice from time to time.

Instead of saying that racists usually vote republican, I would say that people who are truly racist tend to be socially conservative. This would include whatever racists who still exist in the "back woods," members of super extreme religious groups, and perhaps some blue collar types. Even the more radical blacks, such as Obama's old preacher, are still socially conservative, despite the fact that he likely votes democratic.

As ugly as it is, we all need to admit that there is a little bit of prejudice in all of us. When dealing with the topic of race, I see and hear prejudice remarks from both sides of the political spectrum constantly. I'm sure we have all heard a liberal of two refer to Colin Powell as a "token." I have also met conservatives who have make prejudice statements as well. Case in point: anyone who has ever questioned Obama's ability to run this country based on his middle name.

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polls_apart:

@GARY WAGNER:
"If a republican scratches his ass its because he's racist."
What is that supposed to mean?
The original line (in lat's post) was saying that if the GOP had any spine, it would have told Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms to go scratch their @$$es.
I would have preferred that lat had used a phrase like "take a hike" (preferably not on the Appalachian Trail :-) ) rather than scratch their nether regions.
And it is true that the original party of Lincoln (and TR) would have had extreme difficulty in assimilating the likes of Thurmond and Helms.
Over the past hundred years, the Democrats and Republicans and Democrats have reversed positions on any number of issues. To cite a few: Republicans used to be protectionist and Democrats were the free-traders (see Smoot-Hawley tariff). Now it's the Democrats who are the protectionists.
It used to be the Democrats who were more willing to send forces abroad (see "Democrat Wars"). Now it is more often the Republicans who are eager to do so.
The Democrats used to be the party of slavery, Jim Crow, and racism. The Republicans fought the Civil War to end Slavery. These days, slavery and Jim Crow are out of style, and racism is somewhat veiled. Even so, these days, the occurrence of racism is found most frequently (but certainly not exclusively) among Republicans. If you don't believe it, just look at who attends the two parties' conventions.
Correspondingly, their geographical bases have also reversed, with the Democrats being strongest in areas the Republicans used to dominate, and vice versa.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"I think that we need to consider that there is a difference between being racist and being prejudice."

@ Chad. Good comment. I was attempting to make that distinction but you did so far more clearly. We all have deep prejudices on this board.

@ pols_apart

"Now it's the Democrats who are the protectionists."

Are they really? It was Clinton that pushed NAFTA through a democratic congress. I would argue that there aren't that many protectionists left, and that free trade has become mainstream in both parties. The only people I hear advocating for protectionism are people like Dennis Kucinich and Pat Buchanan (at least he used to) and maybe Ron Paul. Generally, the more extreme elements of the parties.

Same goes with isolationism. That used to be a republican position prior to WWII, but today it's mainly held only by people like Ron Paul. If there are true isolationists within the democratic party they are a minority.

So you correctly note that many positions have reversed parties, but some of them have also either entered the mainstream or become extreme views.

Heck, Glenn Beck is mainstream now and he basically repeats the old John Birch Society line. The whole "road to socialism" was mapped out by Robert Welch when Beck was still in diapers.

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Stillow:

polls_apart: - Perhaps you can point me to hwere the Dem party told Byrd to go take a hike, or others like him? Instead he became a very prominant leader in the Dem party.

There is no more racism in the republican party than there is in the Dem party...however the stereotype aids the Dems. The Dems control 90 percent of the ducation system and 90 percent of the media. So the two largest sources of infromation are constantly bombarding society with a slnted view of reality...and part of that is constantly beating the drum that republicans are racist. To some in society, it becomes reality.

For example...the way the Dems treated Clearance Thomas during his nomination to the scotus. Had Thomas been nominated by a democrat, was a liberal and the republicans treated him EXACTLY how the Dems treated him...there would ahve big cries of racism as far away as the human ear can hear. they would still be referring to it today. Dems and the media owuld have labeled the treatment of Thomas as extremely racist.

Or if Estrada was a liberal and the GOP blocked his nomiantion....again there would have been cries of racism from the left.

Take Sotomayer....even a simply tough question towards her by the GOP there were utterings of racism from the left.

So no, there is no more racism on the right than there is on the left...however the strength of the media to ignore racism on the left and highlight it o nthe right helps reinforce the stereotype that they the media and the left have created.

It is unforunate that so many people buy into it, but I beleive to be a shrinking influence on everyone. Crying racism at every turn is wearing thin.

Right now as I type this, 3 of the msot popular republicans i nthe country are people the left says republicans despise. 1. Sarah Palin, a female, we are told by the left that republicans want women to be silent and in the kitchen where they belong...and they have no business in politics, afterall thats man's work right? 2. Marco Rubio, a latino and the son of cuban immigrants, the left tells us republicans despise immigrants, espeically thsoe of black or latinio origin. 3. bobby Jindal, a dark skinned Indian, who is governor of one of the most conservative states i nthe union. The left tells us republicans despise all people of color...espeically republicans i nthe deep south.

Back in 1996 there was a very strong force i nthe GOp who begged Colin Powell to run for president. Had he done so, he probably owuld have won the nomination.....but he chose not to enter politi9cs.

If you poll republicans, they would rate Thomas as one of their favorite justices...and not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character.

Another example in what people call the reddest of the blue states, PA when Lynn Swan ran for governor. Had he been a Democrat and lost, there would ahve been accusations of racism all over the place. But he lost to Ed Rendell. so are Dems in PA racist for not coming out and supporting Swan? What would all those racist republicans in PA be doing nomiating a black man to be their governor?

The left has corrupted the word racism....they have thrived on keeping americans of all races divided. Leftists can only push there agenda forward if people reamin divided...and Dems are verygood at creating a bad guy and focusing peoples anger on that bad guy. When it comes to blacks and latino's, they win there vote by convincing them that the evil whtie man hates them...its no different than what they do with everything else. HC, they made isnurance companies the bad guy, 2nd ammendment they make gun makers the bad guy, the recession they make business the bad guy, earning a profit they make greed the abd guy....it is what the left does on every single issue. They have to create a bad guy and then they sell that message very well to the public.

In the end it will catch up to them...and people are going to get real tire dof being pitted agaisnt eachother....we are all on the same damn team, one day these disgusting tactic sby the left wil be seen for what they are.

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Aaron_in_TX:

What about Michael Steele, Stillow?

Despite the prominent minorities and women you mention in the republican party, the coalitions' racial make-up says more about them. Whites made up 90% of McCain's votes. They made up about 66% of Obama's. Those trends have been fairly constant over the last two decades. The R's get ~55% of the white vote, D's get 40-43. Blacks more than 80% usually go D, as do more than 60% of hispanics, and over 50% of women.

For some reason, minorities and women shy away from the republican message, while white males are far more attracted to it. It says something about the identities of those groups. More white males identify with republicans. Why?

The republicans could field all black female candidates and the democrats all white males and the breakdowns would very likely register the same gaps.

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lat:

Stillow,

You are such a hypocrite it's laughable. You call yourself a libertarian and yet you defend Sarah Palin? You say she is a woman who "belongs in the kitchen" and that's why the left despises her? You must be kidding me? Here is why I despise every bone in that sick, peabrained, religious nut jobs body! For starters I have a daughter and if someone god forbid raped my daughter according to Queen Sarah she would have to carry the fetus to term. I consider myself a civil libertarian and there is NOTHING more offensive than that concept. You think that people on the religious right who believe this crap are simply to be dismissed as making noise. Think again!

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Stillow:

aaron - I just told you why my young freind. The Dems are simply far better at playing the race game than the GOP is. As I explained, the Dems always create a villain...in this case they go to blacks and latino's and say hey, that evil white man over there hates you. Comes up with sterotypes to enforce those accusations...gets aided by 90 percent of the media and educational institituions.

Sadly it has worked very well on blacks, not so much latino's...but Dems hve effectively demonized the white male to these groups...thus they create a villain, get the aid of the media and then ocme along as the hero.

Despite there being tons of evidence tothe contrary, such as the examples I cited...and there are more....the Dems are simply better and setting up and enabling the lies they create...and with so much of the media as there ally, it makes it very difficult to undo a stereotype once its established. Its like saying all jews are good with money or all blondes are ditzy. Overtime the lie becomes the truth and reality for many people...and it takes a lot of work to undo them....but the GOP is simply not as good at the game as the Dems are.

Its also similar tothe stereotype that republicans are all gready and selfish, yet polls show repubs give far and away much more to charity than do democrats.

with the coming of Fox News and the Internet, the left has lost some of its control over the media, but it will take time, effort and good cndididates to undo the lies put out by the left over the years. Instead of standing up to the lies, republicans often cower and go running for the woods. And its my beleif white males havve flocked to the GOp because they have been so demonized by the Dems...they had to go somewhere.

What Dems are doing by intentionally dividing us is going to be very destructive long term....they are creating and fueling real hate among people. And the sick part is they do it only so they can get votes.

They ar edoing severe damage, espeically to younger people who are now going to grow up and spend there entire lives hating entire segments of people for no other reason than they have been told that those segments hate them more. From a personal standpoint I worry very much about the younger kids, my son who is of mixed race will probably have identity challenges because of what society is teaching him...and what Democratic stereotypes are doing to these young kids.

It was Democrats in this country who brought racism int othe mainstream centuries agao...it was Democrats who embraced slavery and fought to defend slavery. That was over 150 years ago...now once again Dems are giving rise to racism, just in a different way...this time they intentionally pit people against one another to try and get that 50+1 vote they need to obtain the power they crave so much.

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Stillow:

lat - Obviously you did not understand my comment properly....

And just for the record, if I said I despised every bone in that nut jobs body, but referred to Hillary Clinton, I would be labeled a sexist and would have every women's right grou after me......but somehow it is ok for you to make comments like those, but not for me as a conservative....when I say similar comments about a woman, then my points are invalid by default and I am a raging sexist......thus the doublestandard....thus the influence of stereotypes created by the left and backed byu the media.

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lat:

Stillow,

You are missing my point. I don't care if Sarah Palin is a woman, man, transvestite, hermaphrodite, or a little green creature from Mars. She is crazy, dangerous, and misguided. She is the reason people like me won't dream of voting republican on the national level. Your hot button is taxes (which are still heading north buddy) mine is social issues and keeping the government away from my wife and daughter's uterus, keeping prayer out of my children's public schools, letting people marry who they want to marry, etc.

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GARY WAGNER:

@lat,

I have a feeling you have more reasons than Sarah Palin than not voting republican. Imagine how you feel about Sarah Palin. You have a right to your beliefs and outright hatred. You think what she is doing is evil. Now, move that over to the other side. There are just as many people in this country that think what Obama is doing is intrusive (he took control of your wife's and daughter's uterus and all the rest of their bodies with that healthcare monstrosity) and that he is crazy with narcissism, the most dangerous man in the world, and is completely misguided.

You spew your foul opinions about Palin and that's all right because you are allowed to be hateful - you are a liberal. But is a conservative says those things about Obama - they are racists.

The hypocrisy, hatred, and race-baiting will bring the democratic party down.

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Field Marshal:

Kariq,

Yes, 90%+ of blacks went for Kerry in the general election because he was a democrat. However, 90% of blacks voted for Obama over HILLARY in the primaries- democrat on democrat. Why do you think that is?

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lat:

Gary,

There is nothing intrusive about the health care bill and frankly I am sick and tired of these bullshit talking points from the right that are designed to do nothing other than rile people up, but have no basis in reality. Insurance is all about the law of large #'s and risk period end of story.By forcing young people into the system you are creating a truly level playing field and a smoothing effect. You conservatives crack me up what Obama is doing is wrong, but when an uninsured person races to the ER because he or she is too damn lazy or frankly stupid to have health insurance that is ok? Who has to pay for that Gary? I'll give you one guess (think hard now)... WE THE TAXPAYERS! So where is your conservative "outrage" over that situation? The truth is both The Dems and The GOP for the last 40 years have been too chicken shit to tell the voters the truth on healthcare (Gee... could it have something to do with the fact that seniors are the most reliable voting block? Nah!). Obama's plan is not a cure all by any means, but it's a step in the right direction. Bottom line- If you are going to have an insurance based system than it cannot be a lose/lose situation where the government has to pick up the slack due to nothing other than pure stupidity.

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GARY WAGNER:

Lat,

Guess who pays for those emergency room visits under this bill. WE THE TAXPAYERS! The number of emergency room visits didn't go down in Massachusetts after they passed their healthcare bill that gave everyone insurance - they went up.

Imagine that. That, and every other democrat talking point you threw out is false. Obamacare is going to cost $2 trillion, make things worse, and raise everyone's taxes. Who pays taxes? WE THE TAXPAYERS!

Obamacare took some problems affecting 10% of the country and signed into law something that makes it worse for 100% of the country. But it doesn't stop there. It makes insurance more expensive. It raises taxes. It costs 3 million americans their jobs. It bankrupts businesses.

"Level the playing field". That says it all, doesn't it. That is the new mantra of the American socialist manefesto.

This is why Obama has a 47% approval. He doesn't fix anything. He uses problems as excuses to do what he really wants. The stimulus bill? Hundreds of billions of dollars in paybacks to unions for their helping to elect him. Taking over GM & Crysler? Billions in paybacks to the unions for their helping to elect him.

Healthcare reform? Payback to trial lawyers, the AMA, AARP, AHA, and unions for their helping to elect him. And to make a giant leap into socialism.

Their all opinions. You have yours. I have mine. You think only you have a right to yours but that mine are racist.

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lat:

Gary,

Not racist just wrong. Lol!

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Stillow:

lat - Your last comment to me proves my point...you said you ahte palin, but nto becuase she is a woman...and you listed your view on how you idsagree with her stanc eon abortion......and as a democrat thats valid for you to do.

But if I go after Obama and say exactly what you did about hating his crazy guts and then list an issue why, say taxes as you mentioned, my viewpoint is immeidately dismissed and I am labeled a racist........my reasoning is the same as yours, I don't care what color he is, its his views....yet you people on the left dismiss opposing views and simply throw out the racist term. It happens every day in the media, on this site and in society in general.

When a republicn is critical of a democrat woman or minoririty, then there legitimate opposition is totally dismissed and instead they are demonized perosnally....but yet you seem perfectly ok with saying what you said about palin....

Its a clear doublestandard and your smart enough to know it is. I am not defnding palin in my comments, I used her as an example. You Dems tell everyone the GOp hates women and minoirties, I simply poointed out that some of the most popular members inthe GOP right now are a woman and minoritites.

So democratic lies have enabled you to personall slander someone by calling them stupid, etc....but when a republican says even the most minor negative thing about obama, well then he is a racist.

The double standard is obvios to anyone who can think....its just sad that Dems hae trained so many people not to think and simply beleive what they are told.

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Stillow:

lat - And opposoition to HC is not jus ttalking points.....you are so brainwashed by your liberal masters you cannot see but two feet in front of your face. If you allow the g'ment to FORCE americans to buy HC, wha tis stop stop them fromforcing you to buy a gym membership to fight obesity? How about forcing you to buy more brocoli to fight unhealthiness? What's stop prevent them from forcing you to buy a bike instead of a car to fight the supposed global warming crisis?

The answer you sek is NOTHING would prevent them from doing whatever they wanted to us. As a liberal you simply cannot accept opposing poitns of view, this si why your so quick to label people racists. Liberals claim to be tolerante and diverse, but the moment someone has a opposing view, you label them stupid and start hurling the personal slurs.

Its people like you who keep this country dumbed down and dependent. Your willing to serve on your knees thanto live on your feet. Something tells me you could care less if the g'ment started ordering people to buy things...HC is just the start.

Oh ya, but I am a racist for having a different opinion...and for thinking high taxes only hurt the people i nthe country....like the upcoming VAT tax that Dems are now talking about....ya I am sur ethe ugy making 30k a year cannot wait for that.

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