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Uh Oh Speedo...CNN has Obama at 55, earlier in the summer it was 51..r they also biased..darn commies with their Mao shirts and Che Guevara mugs with Starbucks coffee. liberal elites elitism

I honestly don't get why Joe always has a much lower approval/favorability than Obama..a few pts - whatever but 15...

56% disapprove of the Nobel. That's interesting.

Sasha, it's because Joe is a moron and people see that. Him, Pelosi, Reid, and Frank are complete idiots.

@sasha

Biden keeps a low profile, so there are a lot more undecideds.

If Biden, Frank, Pelosi and Reid's approval ratings indicate their lack of intelligence, we have to create a new level of super-stupidity for Boehner and the rest of the GOP leaders in Congress.

Its not a low profile...Biden is what my daughter woudl call a goober.

...and yes sasha, most news agencies are biased towards Obama...its logical to assume that bias woudl leak into there polling...

Wong

The GOP has leaders?????????????????? They have posers, not leaders.

@ stillow

I think reality is biased...in favor of Obama a

For those of you who got F's in grade school perhaps. CNN who fact checks a comedy skit to help Obama out.......don't let the kool aid stain your shirt today.

Really though, the bias is having less and less effect since only sasha and 3 other people actually watch cnn or msnbc. People have caught onto the game going on at those networks.

Its not a low profile...Biden is what my daughter woudl call a goober.

I'm pretty sure the higher number of undecideds for the Biden question does not represent people sharing your extreme hatred. Silly comments like this only affirm the perception that you're a troll dedicated to disrupting rational discussion on this site.

Oh please. CNN is a gutless, feckless joke of a news organization whose only bias is towards trying to gin up ratings by attempting to turn "news" into entertainment. And they do awful things to goats.

Honestly though, if they were so in the tank for Obama do you think their headline would read: "Half of Nation disagrees with Obama on the issues"? Funny way of showing your bias.

What are you talking about? Its known around the entire world Biden lives with his foot in his mouth...

Ya can't walk into a 7/11 without seeing an Indian....blah blah.....you could write a book on his stupid comments.

Goober is not a hate word, its a description my daughter uses to define someone who is a little nutty.....which Biden is.

sjt22

People are growing weary of the bias in the news...Fox is running away in the ratings...they are at the point where replays of there shows are beating cnn and msnbc combined in primetime...its getting really bad out tehre for the left wing media....the big lib papers are going bankrupt, the NY times had to mortgage there own office building. Who else fact checks a comedy skit?

The bias is getting old and people are saying so by where they are turning for there news...and its no longer cnn or msnbc.

I've seen some interview of the head of polling for CNN, Keating Holland I think is his name. Pretty dry guy, has been known to interpret his results for things I wouldn't agree with but overall nothing shocking. CNN's polling is pretty sounds, their journalism off their polls I think delves too much into what the numbers says, which really is a bane for all cable news organizations that would contribute a 4 minute segment to such an issue.

"People are growing weary of the bias in the news...Fox is running away in the ratings"

Because Fox is unbiased? Or because their bias matches your own. Conservatives need to not get excited about Fox ratings, or cable news ratings in general. That is a very niche audience. Here's last weeks ratings:

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/16/cable-news-ratings-for-thursday-october-15-2009/30690

Bill O'Reilly can get upwards of 3.5 million viewers on a good day. So what? ABC's Nightline gets more than that. Spongebob gets more. ESPN Sportscenter gets more. Monk gets more. Hannah Montana gets twice that many. All you are proving is that there's a niche audience for that kind of show. In other words, Fox News primetime has the popularity of an average late night show - more than Conan O'Brian, but less than David Letterman.

More than 20 million daily watch the network nightly news programs.

NPR's listenership is about 20 million daily.

So be careful before you start bragging about ratings. Compared to total news consumption, Fox's ~3.5 million viewers is paltry.

er Fox is running away in the ratings just like more people watch Maury "You are the baby daddy" over NewsHour with Jim Lehrer...why watch something that requires brain cells...if you want to say FOX has opinion shows just like MSNBC, CNN sure...but during the daytime news hours they have brought us..Barack and Michelle's terrorist fist jab..Obama school Czar advocating gay rape... the advocacy of a "grass-roots"/Glenn Beck/Tea Party protest that was not only promoted by the station with its own commercials but also hyped up during the interview...CNBC is just as tough if not tougher on Obama..but for legitimate economic policy not some wacked out volunteerism is socialism nonsense

Stillow,

You make a good point about Fox News Ratings going through the roof, I just don't think they say what you they say. First don't be confused, while Fox dominates the cable competition ABC, NBC and CBS all still far outreach them individually. So what does Fox News success demonstrate?

The bubble has formed, republicans no longer want to hear diffrent views, only to be told their view is right, without question, self validation.

Fox News is an echo chamber for a group (large) group of people who are republican. As republican identification and faith in republican congressional leaders continues to fall, Fox is just preaching to the choir. I would argue Fox would be a better tool of the GOP (their goal) if their coverage appeared to be more fair minded, they might get some converts then.

Between the, tea baggers, death panels, secret FEMA work camps and other assorted Fox "events" , their credibility outside the bubble is dubious at best.

That's why the WH saying they are not a legit news organization is being received with such luke warm response, everyone knows deep down, it's true.

Here's the late night ratings.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/16/nightline-bests-tonight-show-in-total-viewers-16-weeks-in-a-row/30695

Here's NPR's numbers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/23/AR2009032302972.html

It's actually 20.9 million unique listeners weekly. Still, "morning edition" gets about 7.6 million listeners on average daily, about double that of Fox News's most popular show.

Aaron_in_TX:

You cannot compare a cable news show to spngebob....you need to compare cable news to cable news....you cannot compare cable news to regular tv.......that may have been the most retarded comparison yet.

Fox is not bias in there news coverage, they have right wing commentators, yes, but there hard news is done by folks like shepard smith, a big time lib....whereas msnbc's hard news is extrmeley left of center.

abc, cbs and nbc news shows have been declining for years now and will continue to do so...the trend is down...the fox trend is up.

But your a little loony for comparing cable news to kids shows like sponebob......that was a patehtic attempt to spin. The fact is fox is way out n front of both cnn and msnbc.....and the other networks are trending down and down....

try again?

They do very well, but the idea that they are driving some kind of news revolution is far fetched, especially when they are the first to tell you that most of their shows aren't really news but opinion. Unless of course you consider giving 100% support/encouragement to teabagger rallies as unbiased reporting of "news".

There are certainly enough people to watch Fox and make it a successful station, but they aren't a majority of news consumers. News organizations have become as polarized as parties, and the polling bears this out. Republicans wouldn't believe CNN if they reported that the sky was blue, and Democrats are the same with Fox.

Newspapers are going broke for a number of reasons: a dying readership, younger people getting their news from the internet, declining ad revenue (thanks again , corporate efforts to squeeze 10%+ profits out of an industry that can't sustain that. The idea that its "bias" driving them out of business is, again, far fetched.

BillOhio

That is a bunch of crap. If you actually watched Fox you would notice that even there commentator shows have liberal opionion all over them. Oreilly constantly has btoh sides on his show, all episode long...hannity has libs on, he just had a long inteveiw with michael moore...and for years it was hannity and colmes, both sides, equal time. Even Greta has libs on all the time....go over to msnbc, when was the last time olberman had anyone on who wans't in love wtih him? I've seen maddow a few times put on an opponenet, but thats it.

Fox is growing because they provide both sides to everyone...even in there right wing opinion shows, they have libs on all the time....hell juan williams, a well known lib sits in for oreilly a lot of the time.

Shepard Smith a big time lib! WTF?

Smith may be the only person at Fox not 110% in the tank for Republicans, but that doesn't automatically make him a liberal. The fact that you think so says a lot about your biases.

Smith gets what, an hour or two a day on Fox? The rest of the time is filled with the Insanity of Beck, Oreilly, Hannity, Cavuto, and a slew of lesser idiots (lesser in fame, that is, not in idiocy).

If that's what you mean by "fair and balanced" then you can have it. Basically you're saying that since they do a few hours of (non-primetime) news reporting they are an even handed station. Never mind that the rest of the day is filled with a full power right wing noise machine.

As for the comparisons to Spongebob, I'd say they are relevant, because again most of this crap isn't "news", its "entertainment".

Fox is commentary news, sorry but I must snub something that tells me to think its way. CNN can be biased in what stories they decide to cover, but MSNBC and Fox are largely on the same level, sensationalizing news, stifiling objectivity by introducing two polar opposite dialogues where one typically dominates the other and then the debate is apparently settled. Sad sad news. But hey its right because it gets the most ratings!

Maybe they should put Glen Beck on American Idol or Dancing with the Stars, that would still be considered news with all the ratings it would get right?! :P

sjt22
The tea party thing was not endorsed by fox, it was fairly reported by fox....when was the last tie hundreds of thousands of people gathered in dozens of cities around america on the same day? cnn, msnbc, the networks all repoted these as crazies...extrmeists, the other networks ignore what was going on largely. For covered the event for what it was...an unbeleivable number of people gathering aroudn the country in protest....if those wer eall libs, cnn and msnbc would have had 24/7 coverage of it...would have been page 1 of the NY times for a month.....

you libs are so blinded by your lust of other liberals you cannot see what is in front of you.

"You cannot compare a cable news show to spngebob....you need to compare cable news to cable news....you cannot compare cable news to regular tv.......that may have been the most retarded comparison yet."

Stillow, are Glenn Beck and the O'Reilly factor not cable tv shows in competition with other ones? Therefore, it is reasonable to compare audience size to other cable shows. The O'Reilley factor getssignificantly less viewers than an NCIS rerun on USA.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/20/cable-ratings-monday-night-football-mlb-playoffs-hannah-montana-and-ncistop-weekly-cable-chart/30972

I think you misunderstand the nature of cable - each channel is speaking to a niche audience; it says nothing about the broader trends of news consumption. That Fox is doing better than CNN or MSNBC in primetime only proves that they have better entertainment value for people that want to hear conservative commentary - an audience that is not that large of a market share. As noted by a poster above, people inherently know that Fox is not a legitimate news organization and that they indeed have a perspective.

The same can be said of CNN and MSNBC, who have found it's better to emulate Fox than the PBS newshour.

Since I watch both Fox and other networks to make a good determination, I would say there was good coverage of the Teabaggers, town hall interrupters, ect on the "liberal media" front. I remember Fox namely asking questions about, "These are just some nuts out there, these are real people out there trying to make a point right?" type of questions making a strawman argument of the entire thing. Now don't get me wrong, there were some people that thought they were nuts, but to compeltely write off the entire network because of some random thing you might have heard or not is sort of dumb since most people who watch Fox have probably experienced this watching their own network.

Aaron_in_TX:

You are usually way more sensible than this...your comparing cable news to cartoons and to radio stations like npr.....this is retarded...your comparing apples with oranges....the people who want to watch news, compare those with eachother...dont compare to oreilly and kids getting home from school watching spoonebob....you libs are falling off the cliff on this...............................BIG time.

"Fox is commentary news, sorry but I must snub something that tells me to think its way."

All TV news is commentary news. Fox has the most right of center bias but to say Fox is somehow not news yet NBC or CNN is, is just plain dumb.

People watch Fox for a different viewpoint than they are getting from the mainstream and other cable news outlets. Plain and simple. Thus, if libs want a different POV, they turn to Fox. If Cons want it, they have a myriad of choices in NBC, CBS, or CNN.

The problem is there is only one right of center and the rest are left of center. Thus, the lefties are dispersed among many more channels. If one were smart, they would change their programming and compete with Fox for half the viewership. Again, that's IF they were smart.

Hey Sasha check out the Gallup and Rasmussen polls today. They don't look as nice for Barry and they are actual polling orgainizations.

Stillow,

You seem to have a very selective view of what counts as being on TV or a faulty memory. Joe S. Regan revolution conservative, GOP congressman, red/red FL panhandle district, 3 hour show "Morning Joe" every morning 5 days a week.

Please point out the Fox equivalent.

I actually agree with Field Marshal, Fox news is the result of right of center viewer consolidation with one network, which was kinda the point of my previous post.

"I actually agree with Field Marshal, Fox news is the result of right of center viewer consolidation with one network, which was kinda the point of my previous post. "

Do you also agree that the mainstream media along with CNN and MSNBC represents left of center viewpoints?

I see nothing wrong with these channels not being exactly in the middle, its the people who then say one is not news while another is who are either really dumb or just trying to push their own propaganda.

Field Marshal

Not completley.

Left- MSNBC

Slightly Left- NBC, ABC

Middle- CBS,CNN (CNN is middle to a fault, they don't don't confront lies enough from either party, especially on their "Sunday Shows)

Slightly Right-

Right- FOX

This isn't an indictment of Fox or MSNBC as much recognition that Fox has no network between them and the center on the right, while center, center left and left leaning viewers have lots of options.

I disagree. I hardly think CNN is center. Maybe just the regular headline news that they continuously replay but the CNN station is just as left as Fox is to the right.

NBC and MSNBC have the same news staff and back office. Its hard to say one is left and the other is only slightly. NBC is as left as they come.

I would argue no station is in the center. They may be at times but none are there consistently. If i had to pick two that are closest in just news (not opinion shows) then ABC and FOX are probably the closest.

Uhhhh sorry to say it but Fox is mainstream media even if it spins itself right. Not all news is commentary news. Cable shows follow this equation:

1 Host
+ overbearing opinions
+ 1 Dem & 1 Repub debating
= Scew the debate to your views.

There are several programs that report the news like News Hour, BBC America, ect. Only problem is that those programs aren't entertaining and thus get no real respect.

My only qualm is why don't people watch MORE than 1 news type (and I mean news not Rush Limbaugh)? You'd really place all your faith in what should be reported into one news organization?

FOX close to center? Hell what's RIGHT then? 700 Club? If you call that journalism...

ya cbs is in middle....they forged documents to affect a presidential election, but they are middle...that is the problem with you libs, you cannot even see the bias right in front of you.

"You are usually way more sensible than this...your comparing cable news to cartoons and to radio stations like npr"

No, what I'm showing you is that you're arguments don't make sense. You're trying to say that people are becoming more receptive to Fox News because of bias in other news programs.

You're making broad generalizations based on cable news viewers which amounts to maximum 5 million viewers a day. You're comparing viewers; I'm comparing viewers.

What I was trying to show you is that cable news viewers are a small market share. Thus, any conclusions based on the relative ratings therein are useless, except where they concern cable news viewers.

Saying that Fox is doing better than MSNBC and CNN because people are tired of liberal bias makes about as much sense as saying "Letterman doing better than Conan O'Brian indicates that more people approve of inter-office relationships."

fox only seems right because everyone else is so far left.....being in the center with fair and balanced seems right cus the rest are off the rocker left.

Aaron_in_TX:

No I am not...I am telling you news viewers once watching cnn and msnbc have gone to fox....that is why fox's audience grows and the others shrink. Sorry, but I don't count the kids watching sponebob, but if that makes you libs feel better, so be it.....fox is kicking the crap out of the other cable news stations. End of story, that is the bottom line. to try and spin that is totally lame.

So Stillow effectually what you're saying is there remains to be any right-leaning news organization?

I don't think I'll be trolled any further lol :p

Send me your address, I will send you a pair of reading glasses.

How many times do I have to say it? Fox has right leaning opinion shows, but down the center news coverage....the liberal bias comes int oplay with the other networks because there news coverage is BIAS....anyone recall the friday morning when palin was announced? the msnbc hard news headline was "how many houses will palin add to the mccain campaign"....

Its bias crap from most of the media.....

nbc with bogus hard news headlines, cbs forging documents, cnn fact checking comedy skits....ya guys, the other media is real down the middle on there news coverage....its a joke your even tryign to argue this.

Its my understanding that Fox's main coverage of news, excluding news personalities, is quite extreme. FOX main news broke the stories of the terrorist fist jab, Baby Mamma, ect. that is just not news; its a disgrace and doesn't represent the center at all.

Stillow:

You can have the cable news ratings. I'd rather win elections.

"nbc with bogus hard news headlines, cbs forging documents, cnn fact checking comedy skits....ya guys, the other media is real down the middle on there news coverage....its a joke your even tryign to argue this."

I agree. Its a matter of personal opinion.

"You can have the cable news ratings. I'd rather win elections."

What election did you win Brad? Are you are senator? City councilman? What?

Terrorist Fist Jab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vmQrTi3aM

Baby Mama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvZEZL2LmA8

X

if memory serves i beleive fox was also the one who broke the bush DUI story back in 2000 just before election, was it not oreilly who broke that story?

you now how I know fox is balanced? cus i only yell at the screen half the time....when I yell at the other stations 90 percent of the time...................

Stillow, you're making mountains out of molehills. Again, the cable news viewership is a molehill. It's no more important, probably less so, than the people watching NCIS or Spongebob - because MORE PEOPLE WATCH THOSE THAN FOX NEWS.

Conservatives were making this same argument after the 2004 cycle:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/03/31/cable-news-ratings-is-msnbc-still-on/

Notice Bill O'Reilly getting 2.43 million viewers and Hannity 2.12 million in March of 2005.

Wow, guess what!? In October of 2009, O'Reilly got 2.49 million and Hannity got 2.0 million! Virtually identical.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/10/19/cable-news-ratings-for-friday-october-16-2009/30899

If anything, what can be proven is that partisanship sells, and that there was room for LIBERAL commentators, given that Olbermann's viewership has risen by 200,000, and Maddow gets over 900,000., while her nearest counterparts from 4 years ago got less than half that.

Fox hasn't gained, they've remained steady. It's MSNBC that's gained, while CNN has suffered greatly by trying to take a more middle ground. Larry King used to get 1.5 million, now he gets 691,000.

You are completely wrong on this one Stillow. I'd buy stock in MSNBC rather than Fox if I wanted to make a profit.

You need some tranq news Stillow. :p But anyways Erin Fehlau from a local Fox affiliate (aka Local News) broke that story about Bush's DUI, not exactly the Cable giant. I know my local Fox station to be quite liberal actually.

you now how I know fox is balanced? cus i only yell at the screen half the time....when I yell at the other stations 90 percent of the time...................

You're making a rather large assumption there.

As for the Bush Dui thing, it was a local fox reporter from Portland who did all the investigating on that, and it was only after they knew the story would break that Fox News "broke" the story. Wanna bet that if the story didn't leak out they would have sat on it? Because that's a bet I would take.

Of course, it begs the question of where the big bad evil "liberal media" was on that story.

aaron, ya gotta stop man. The fact is the libs are losing viewers and fox is gaining...send me all the spngebob stats you want.......your stryign to spin and i can appreciate that, but your spinning yourself right into a huge hole.

X, you may be right o nthe dui, it was almost 10 years ago, i just recall oreilly brining it up pretty early on...

my local fox station is pretty liberal too, but the anchorette is a babe, so i stick with the libs locally.....cannot help myself....babes trump ideaology!

I'm also amazed that whenever the GOP gets some new talking points they seem to magically find there way onto each and every Fox News show. What an amazing coincidence.

And of course, we all know that it wasn't Fox producers organizing and encouraging Teabaggers when they thought the cameras were off. Just like we know that there's no way that Republican lawmakers actually outnumber Democrats as guests on every single cable news network, including MSNBC. But that makes sense, given that the Republicans won the last election so convincingly.

I could go on, but I'm afraid it wouldn't do any good.

Viewership I think is a pretty dumb argument. I remember hearing John Stewart and CNN ratings up during the Bush years and now its FOX and Rush Limbaugh during Obama. I wish there was a poll out there polling now that Obama is president, do you pay attention to the news more of less when Bush was president. My theory is the ideology out of power largely pays attention to news more. My conservative family members are all up in arms when they used to not be only a year or two ago. Frankly, Obama has been the greatest boon for Fox and other conservative media outlets just like Bush was for liberal ones.

your right, it would not do any good since you have the same disease aaron has...blind ideaology syndrome........

lol checkmate ;p

I guess we will have to agree to disagree Field Marshal. You may be thinking of Fox News from years ago, but in my opinion recently Fox "News" has been led to report on Fox "Opinion", leading Fox News/Opinion distinction to be lost.

Here are some examples of that blurring of the lines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRx5ethd8JU&feature=player_embedded

Fox is not center- anything *anymore*

I guess all fox should do then to be considered fair and down the middle is to forge some documents in 2012 to help the democratic candidate right? then fox will be part of the down the center club?

balh...................

ABC defends it's poll, pretty well.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2009/10/pols-polls-and-pushback.html

Stillow, you are hopeless.

1) I showed you how cable news ratings are less than the ratings of frivolous shows.

2) I showed you how Fox's primetime viewership is essentially unchanged compared to 4 years ago, when people were saying the same thing about Fox's ratings that you are now.

I used actual ratings data to prove both those points.

You are disagreeing based on conjecture, not data. The fact that you "yell at the TV" less when watching Fox speaks volumes. You don't watch Fox news to learn about events, you watch it to confirm your preconceived notions. When the news doesn't fit them, you believe it's bias.

I think all Fox needs to do is stop thinking its the messiah of news networks and understand its just as corrupt, biased, and forging of news storys as any of its liberal cousins, then be done with it.

You did, you showed me sponebob beats the oreilly factor...way to go!!! Hmmm, wait a minute, my kids watch spnebob at night, but i have to DVR oreilly.....damn, look, i hurt my own case here.

You got me Aaron, comapring cartoons with cable news, i'm speechless, you win this one I guess....we dare not compare cable news to cable news, no....we must compare oreilly to sponbgebob........

As those evil guys in scooby doo always said, "i would ahve gotten away with it if if weren't for you meddling kids"

Is scooby doo beating fox too aaron?

"The fact is the libs are losing viewers and fox is gaining"

I also proved that this statement is blatantly false. Fox has not gained, they've retained the position they've held for years in the cable news market.

What about the ninja turtles, are they still around aaron? Since your big on comapring news with cartoons....liberals........I'm just curious if they are still on and how they do against fox?

"spongebob beats the oreilly factor"

Then how relevant is the O'Reilly Factor?

If you're going to judge relevancy on ratings, then NCIS and Sunday Night Football are the most relevant programs on TV, and Spongebob is indeed more relevant than O'Reilly.

I'm using your logic:

"Fox is running away in the ratings" because "People are growing weary of the bias in the news"

"The bias is getting old and people are saying so by where they are turning for there news."

- Fox's Nielson ratings are higher than CNN
or MSNBC
- therefore people find Fox News less biased
- therefore ratings are evidence of public
opinion

- Spongebob gets higher Nielson ratings than
Fox News
- therefore public opinion judges that
Spongebob is more relevant than Fox News.

wow aaron, you just keep digging don't you? those little spoiled punk rotten kids.....can you belive those 6 year olds do not come home and watch the news? they indulge themselves in spongebob heaven....

You heard it ehre folks, aaron claims fox is nothing cus spongebob beats oreilly....

Don't compare cable news rating sto other cable news ratings...no, why would we do that...let scompare them to spongebob...little minions...........and lets compare them to sporting events......

Can one of you libs please throw aaron a damn life raft....please, he is drowning himself and I feel sort of bad here. Though as I am a libertarian I am support of suicide....ok nevermind, let him hang hyimself with this lame argument he is making about spongebob getting more viewers than fox......those dirty little rascals!!!!!!!!!!

Hey aaron, maybe we can get spongebob to run for president................

"aaron claims fox is nothing cus spongebob beats oreilly...."

Stillow, it's so funny because I'm parodying you, and you don't get it.

Let's say there were 600 pieces of fruit sold on Tuesday. 100/600 sold were apples. 25/100 were red delicious apples. The majority of those 25 red delcious apples sold were darker red.

Your argument is that the preference for "dark red apples" in the "red delicious market" says something about "total apple consumption," when "apples" are only a small segment of the "fruit market."

Let me put this into your terms:

Your argument is that the preference for "Fox News" in the "cable news market" says something about "total news consumption," when "news" is only a small segment of the "TV market."

That is your argument. I have completely deconstructed and disproved it. Ratings don't prove anything in such a small market, and they don't even prove what you're tying to say if you look at the data. We have no more to say on this subject. Gotta love ya, Stillow.

aaron, seriously, joking aside...your argument is lame. You do not compare a news show to a cartoon and say see, look....you compare news shows to other news shows to determine who the #1 news show is....you compare a news network with other news networks to determine who #1 is....you do not compre news networks to cartoon channels. You are being a total loon on this issue.

Fox beats the snot out of anythign cnn and msnbc have...cnn and msnbc represent the liberal news viewer, and they are going nowhere. Most of fox's reruns kill the primetime line ups at cnn and msnbc. Instead of throwing around spongebob, trying actually jumping in here with the adults.

I think even the libs here realize your argument is lame...you don't judge the success of a new channel by putting it up against entertainment shows, you judge it by putting it up against other news channels. People who want to watch news and be informed are turning on fox, the fringe hard core liberal is turning on cnn and msnbc...the indy's have left cnn and msnbc and are moving to fox.

Again, you can toss out the spongebob stuff, it only makes you look dumb, uninformed and blindly partisan to the point where you rely on a cartoon to make what you see as a point.

You are totally drowning here aaron..I recommend you stop,go get some dinner, a good nights sleep and try again tomorrow.

I'll tell you, usually you have good stuff to contibue on here, but you are stretching so far it becomes lame on this issue. At this point you should chalk this one up to a loss and move on. No one is buying your argument that cartoons vs cable news equates to anything but that. you judge the success of a cable news channel by comparing it to other channels of the same type, in this case cnn and msnbc. And when you do that, its a blowout, fox is way way way out in front of its competition.

Only an idiotic rightwing tool like Stillow would get into an argument on Foxnews. Yes, Foxnews are up their in the ratings. Who cares? They are not a relevant news channel. If you followed them in 2008 election, you were lead to believe that Mccain was going to win. Plleease.

"Only an idiotic rightwing tool like Stillow would get into an argument on Foxnews. Yes, Foxnews are up their in the ratings. Who cares? They are not a relevant news channel. If you followed them in 2008 election, you were lead to believe that Mccain was going to win. Plleease."

Did you really write that since they GAINED in the ratings, they are not a relevant news station? And you're allowed to vote? That is the problem with a democracy, they allow any ol' idiot to vote. Hence the election last year.

"you judge the success of a cable news channel by comparing it to other channels of the same type, in this case cnn and msnbc."

Neither of us are going to concede defeat because we're so convinced. It's just like what they do on cable news!

Cable news garners about 5 million daily viewers. This is paltry compared to a wide variety of network shows, including network news and not even that impressive compared to other cable tv ratings. CBS evening news gets more viewers than all cable news combined.

Yes, Fox News dominates the cable news market, as it has for the last decade. But this is like saying Spider-Man dominates the comic book market. It matters to no one other than those who sell and consume comic books.

oyyyy aaron, that is all I can say....rest well my freind, you really need it.

platanoman

If I had a dime for everytime one of you kooky libs called me a rightwing tool I'd be a rich man....tells me I am doing something right. Thanks though for chipping in with your highly enlightened and educated liberal widsom driven comments.

Field Marshal:

Can you imagine if you had to actually be informed to vote? the Dems would never win a race. It'd be like 80/20 every election. Must be why the libs like screwing with the schools...keep them nice and juicy (dumb).

Stillow, please. Stick it to correct stereotype. Libs are the smart ones here. Remember? The rich educated elite? If Republican voter were really "educated" they know that the Iraq war was a mistake. But, they don't care. They still think it was the right move. Now, you can call that dumb. The Republicans didn't see it. That's why they lost big time the last two elections.