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CNN / Opinion Research Corporation
2/12-15/10; 1,023 adults, 3% margin of error
954 registered voters, 3% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(CNN release)

National

Obama Job Approval
49% Approve, 50% Disapprove (chart)

2010 Congress: Generic Ballot
47% Republican, 45% Democrat (chart)

Please tell me whether you think each of the following political officeholders deserves to be reelected or not:
The U.S. representative in your congressional district: 50% Deserves, 44% Does not
Most members of Congress: 35% Deserve, 62% Do not
Most Democratic members of Congress: 43% Deserve, 54% Do not
Most Republican members of Congress: 39% Deserve, 56% Do not

Do you think Barack Obama deserves to be reelected, or not?
44% Deserves, 52% Does not

 

Comments
BH:

Another underwater approval for the President? I guess blaming George Bush/the Repubs. for your problems - when you firmly control the House, Senate and White House - is finally wearing thin. And apparently there are some folks who approve of the President also don't believe he should be reelected.

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StatyPolly:

Looks like CNN made a decision to go legit a couple of months ago. No shilling for the Dems so much lately. With their ratings at their lowest point since the birth of cable TV 30 years ago, just anything to survive is the right strategy.

I like that last response, especially..

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Stillow:

I can't beleive CNN actually released this poll. 44-52, with 52 saying he does not deserve re-election....wow!

I guess it would appear the lets just blame Bush for everything has finally lost its steam.

I'm still stunned CNN actually released this poll since that last question is horrific for the big O.

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CUWriter:

To steal a line from lefty blogs...

This is great news! For Barack Obama!

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Ryan:

I wonder how much CNN uses these polls to decide how they should report. When BO is popular, the coverage is all positive. Now that he's a mixed bag, they give more complete coverage. And it seems like CNN lags a bit behind pubblic opinion, which would lead me to believe public opinion is influencing the reporting as opposed to the other way around.

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StatyPolly:

CNN completely ignored ClimateGate for several weeks after it happened, but early this morning they had a climatologist on who they introduced as one of the fathers of the hockey stick, who now denounces his own earlier theory. He said he now realizes that any surface temp increases were due to urbanization and not greenhouse gases. Satellite readings of the entire atmosphere show no measurable increase, as should be expected with greenhouse effect.

And he was treated as a respected expert by CNN anchors. I could not believe it. Desperate times at grand daddy of cable news..

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Stillow:

The entire MSM has ignored climeategate.....don't think they can much longer though.....the global warming myth is falling apart everywhere. The American MSM is in denail about it so far, but it will hit....the big hoax is coming to an end.

As for CNN, simple economics and survivability eventually force bias aside.

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BH:

"As for CNN, simple economics and survivability eventually force bias aside."

I'd say that's largely it, but as you hinted at earlier, CNN knows how to read a poll just as well as anyone. It was no accident that the network lurched to the right (though CNN has always had a center-left bias) after 9-11 and to the left during 2005....ratings are king and no network (beside MSNBC and FOX, though FOX has a semi-captive audience) will perpetually put ideology above it's ability to sell advertising. CNN is just trying to jump with public sentiment to stoke ratings, even though some of its employees are entrenched ideologues and even though the group think at the network leans decidedly left.

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Field Marshal:

I can't wait for the comments stating how you guys are anti-science!

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Stillow:

Heheeh FM....thats just it though, the lefties were never really serious abot the science. To them Al Gore represented scientific fact. Climate gate though has really torn an unpatchable hole in the whole global warming hoax. As we leanred from secret emails, much of the science the left relied on was all frabricated.

It seems the left is going to have to find soemthing else to do there world wide power grab instead of global warming....the cat is out of the bag....

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LordMike:

Climategate still doesn't explain why Vancouver had to import snow to the Winter Olympics. Why is it so warm there this year?

Donald Trump must be lying!

Seriously... putting all your eggs on the basket of one smear campaign... whatever...

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Farleftandproud:

This poll is silly. The GOP holds a 2 point edge in the generic ballot, but saying Obama doesn't deserve re-election doesn't ad up. Of course before you know who the competition is it is worthless to do these polls. If someone asked in 1978 if Jimmy Carter deserved to be re-elected, that may have been more legitimate.

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Farleftandproud:

I didn't agree with former Tx Senator Phil Gramm on very much, but I did agree with him when he said our country is a nation of whiners. This poll shows it. Americans are impatient, and they could hardly have waited until Bush was out of office. At least the number of people now who think our country is going in the right direction isn't that good, but much better than it was back in early 2008 at the time when Gramm made that comment.

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Farleftandproud:

I think this speculation that climate change isn't real is all mass hysteria. Of course we can have a lot of snow storms a certain year, but it can also warm up earlier in March or april and the summer can average above average temperatures even if it doesn't go above 90 degrees. Like everything else, you have to look at the fine print of the average temperature year to year. I still believe climate change is a reality.

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Xenobion:

I'd gather as we've all been talking about that noone likes Incumbants right now on a general level. Which means nothing compared to your own senator. I think the wording "deserves" is a pretty dumb wording too versus favorability questions.

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lat:

Field Marshall and Stillow,

Will both of you be attending the next tea party gathering? If yes, I will send each of you a fresh set of white sheets that you can wear. Apparently Sarah Palin left her sheets in the laundry last time.

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Stillow:

Ahhh, look....a liberal comes along and accuses conservatives of being racists........geee, how original lat!

There's the famour liberal fall back position to any and all arguments....think global warming is a hox? Well then obviously your a racist! Think big g'ment is bad, well then obviously your a racist.

The more things change, the more they stay the same I guess.

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Xenobion:

Yes like tax cuts solving world hunger any other problem in existence despite them getting us in this mess to begin with.

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StatyPolly:

FM,

Not against science. Just against gay science..

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Farleftandproud:

Well when you have people like Evan Bayh who didn't want the public option and than it turns out his wife makes huge profits with a subsidiary of Anthem health care, the one that raised their premiums by 40 percent, it is obvious that Obama needs to have better communication with congress. If I am losing respect for my party as a progressive, just think of how the independents are. Of course the GOP's mistruths aren't going to be any better, but Obama needs to show more leadership and play hardball with some in his own party as well as the opponents.

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Williame123:

StatyPolly:

"Looks like CNN made a decision to go legit a couple of months ago. No shilling for the Dems so much lately. With their ratings at their lowest point since the birth of cable TV 30 years ago, just anything to survive is the right strategy."

Haha you guys are amusing. When CNN has good numbers for Obama they are biased, but when they have weak numbers for Obama they are accurate and honest.

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Stillow:

I think X just comapred racism to tax cuts.........heheheh. If there's an edge, X just fell off it.

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Farleftandproud:

CNN is the humanitarian network with Anderson Cooper and has celebrity gossip with Larry King, meanwhile you get left wing spin on MSNBC with Rachel and Keith, and on Fox with O'Reilly, Hannity and Glenn Beck.

CNN has to start having more variety at night.

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Farleftandproud:

I think there were a lot of people on this poll who hate establishment politicians in general. I am sure they would like to see a race between Nader, Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul.

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Field Marshal:

lat, i only wear egyptian cotton with a minimum of 400 thread count. Please forward ASAP.

Stillow,

And people like this are allowed to vote in our country? Unbelievable.

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StatyPolly:

FM, you should demand satin. So luxurious.

William, "When CNN has good numbers for Obama they are biased, but when they have weak numbers for Obama they are accurate and honest."

No, CNN's polls were pro-Obama outliers most of 09, and all of sudden lurched to the center a couple of months ago. Right after their rating really started to tank.

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Field Marshal:

Actually, i would prefer 1500 thread count. After the next tea party, i'm going to a Toga Party and would like something that is very soft to wear.

How very thoughtful Lat!

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bigfoot9p6:

Amazing how much right wingers find to gloat about in a poll that shows greater dissatisfaction with Republicans than Democrats, and a presidential approval poll that is at least double that of their cowboy hero. As for the global warming debate going on here, we don't know for sure what's going on, but anyone with even a tiny bit of sense should be able to figure out that dumping toxins into our atmosphere might be bad, as may consuming all of our fossil fuels.

The rights platform: Consume everything in sight and let our kids fight over the scraps. Its not just environmentally and economically irresponsible, its bad parenting.

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Field Marshal:

"but anyone with even a tiny bit of sense should be able to figure out that dumping toxins into our atmosphere might be bad, as may consuming all of our fossil fuels."

And i wouldn't disagree with you there. However, i assume you mean to instill the notion that CO2 is a toxin, which it is not.

And as to your fossil fuel argument, i would agree. That's why we should be building nuclear plants all over this country WHILE we drill for oil and gas. We have plenty of both of those for the next half century at least. Might as well use it while we innovate.

The Lefts platform is to go back to the stone age and live a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. Completely fantasyland as is most of their initiatives.

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Xenobion:

Nice try on trying to paint me Stillow, but I'm not the one getting posts about how wrong I am on a daily basis. How is up there in lala land?

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bigfoot9p6:

No FM, CO2 is not a toxin, but the crap that gives LA that nice brownish tinge is. Nuclear power is probably the most attractive temporary option, but the waste is clearly a problem. Hanford washington is still considered the most polluted place in the western hemisphere after the Manhattan project. Drilling for oil and gas here is a prime example of consuming as much as possible and leaving our kids to fight over the scraps. As for going back to the stone age, I was unaware that Neanderthals were so fond of the Prius, I would have guessed that Hummers would suit them better.

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Field Marshal:

Bigfoot,

I don't think you will find anyone who will argue with you about polluting the atmosphere. The problem i have is with the enviro-nuts who want us to scale back our living to the early 18th century because we are breathing too much, driving too much, and releasing too much CO2 into the air. All because they believe in bunk science and want the government to regulate their lives to save Mother Earth.

Prius' are terrible. I just bought an ML350. Nice ride.

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bigfoot9p6:

FM, my general rule on pretty much everything is to pay close attention to what the experts of a given field say. For example, when economists from across the political spectrum say the stimulus was necessary, or people in the medical field sas health care reform is necessary, or my parents (who are both environmental engineers) discuss environmental problems stemming from car emissions, I listen. I am a fairly intelligent guy, but I do not trust my uninformed reasoning, my "gut instincts" or those of pundits over the expertise of people who work in such fields for a living. My parents love their prius by the way, and I am not at all unhappy with my civic, though I would prefer a subaru.

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Ryan:

"I think this speculation that climate change isn't real is all mass hysteria. Of course we can have a lot of snow storms a certain year, but it can also warm up earlier in March or april and the summer can average above average temperatures even if it doesn't go above 90 degrees. Like everything else, you have to look at the fine print of the average temperature year to year. "

But when a year of bad hurricanes comes through, of course it's global warming!

"Well when you have people like Evan Bayh who didn't want the public option and than it turns out his wife makes huge profits with a subsidiary of Anthem health care, the one that raised their premiums by 40 percent..."

When you have a very popular dem say that the left is imposing an agenda that the country doesn't want... I guess you have to find some excuse. Must be his wife.

"it is obvious that Obama needs to have better communication with congress. "

Yes, he needs to give more speeches, that's it. He needs to explain to us why we really Do want what we think we DON'T want.

"I didn't agree with former Tx Senator Phil Gramm on very much, but I did agree with him when he said our country is a nation of whiners. This poll shows it. Americans are impatient, and they could hardly have waited until Bush was out of office. At least the number of people now who think our country is going in the right direction isn't that good, but much better than it was back in early 2008 at the time when Gramm made that comment."

So were they whiners when they wanted Bush gone or when they wanted BO gone. I say both, we are a nation of whiners, and if you think it is bad now, wait until you see the undergrads coming out now!

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Ryan:

"I think this speculation that climate change isn't real is all mass hysteria. Of course we can have a lot of snow storms a certain year, but it can also warm up earlier in March or april and the summer can average above average temperatures even if it doesn't go above 90 degrees. Like everything else, you have to look at the fine print of the average temperature year to year. "

But when a year of bad hurricanes comes through, of course it's global warming!

"Well when you have people like Evan Bayh who didn't want the public option and than it turns out his wife makes huge profits with a subsidiary of Anthem health care, the one that raised their premiums by 40 percent..."

When you have a very popular dem say that the left is imposing an agenda that the country doesn't want... I guess you have to find some excuse. Must be his wife.

"it is obvious that Obama needs to have better communication with congress. "

Yes, he needs to give more speeches, that's it. He needs to explain to us why we really Do want what we think we DON'T want.

"I didn't agree with former Tx Senator Phil Gramm on very much, but I did agree with him when he said our country is a nation of whiners. This poll shows it. Americans are impatient, and they could hardly have waited until Bush was out of office. At least the number of people now who think our country is going in the right direction isn't that good, but much better than it was back in early 2008 at the time when Gramm made that comment."

So were they whiners when they wanted Bush gone or when they wanted BO gone. I say both, we are a nation of whiners, and if you think it is bad now, wait until you see the undergrads coming out now!

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Farleftandproud:

Obama just needs to stop pretending to support Republican ideas and be himself and face the fact that bi-partisanship isn't going to happen, and I think it wasn't just Rush Limbaugh that wanted Obama to fail, it is just about 80 percent of the GOP leadership in the house and senate; they like having this dysfunctional government, because they can oppose everything this president supports, and distort the truth, and convince the people that Obama is this radical leftie which he truly isn't. They take advantage of Obama's good nature.

The GOP's agenda is no no no no no no. That is an easy game plan. I think the GOP is really enjoying their role, and Democrats are stressing out. I think the more Obama tries to reach out to them they make him look like a fool.

Unfortunately, Washington hasn't worked in my opinion very well in a long time. This friction we see now, is at it's peak now, but I think it was a lot better until the 1994 contract with America people coming into power, they hijacked the GOP from a center-right party to a party dominated by the Far right. The GOP are such great liars and too many independents are believing those lies.

Joseph Goebels was great at making lies look like truth, and stretching the truth. I think today's neo-cons are masters of this propoganda too, and the Democrats fall for it every time.

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Farleftandproud:

Time will tell. I am keeping my list of statistics to compare the Bush years to Obama so far. I am already seeing gradual improvement, just like I saw gradual improvement during Clinton's first two years. What happens, is too many people in this country want someone to blame, and unfortunately not enough people really pay attention to what goes on. Statistics and figures really have little impact on most American voters. They tend to believe hearsay and political smear ads rather than on the facts. If the unemployment rate is 7.3 by next November that would be remarkable, and clearly It would be hard to disprove the stimulus and a jobs bill worked.

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Field Marshal:

BF,

While listening to experts can be beneficial, i don't simply take them as gospel. I like to do my own research and look at the information from many different sources. The problem is that most scientists dealing with this issue have a beneficial stake in the outcome. That worries me that there is a huge conflict of interest in my mind.

I have seen a top researcher's model during a class a few years back and saw the number of inputs and variables that the scientist had to make assumptions on. The assumptions were so large that if just a few of them were off by a small variance, its skewed the results dramatically.

As someone with a masters of economics, for every economist saying the stimulus worked, there is one saying it didnt. This is the same for many other issues including global warming. The mainstream and cable media are proficient at slanting stories and the audience to a particular angle they are looking to exploit. Its fact that most journalists are not only liberal, they are usually on the farthest left of the spectrum; its just a nature of the profession.

And its interesting to note the amount of people will believe something because they have seen it on tv news or newspapers. For instance, lat above made a race baiting comment about the tea parties. He implies the tea partiers are racists because one or two people out of thousands, say millions over the course of the last year in numerous protests across the country had racist posters. The journalists who showed that had a particular bias that they wanted to portray to the american people. They seek out the one or two loons in the group in order to skew the publics perception of the tea partiers as a whole. And its interesting to note who falls for these journalists' stories, lat being a prime example of that.

Farleft took my analogy where i usually state how people have a hard time wondering how the nazis could dupe a whole country to going along with their craziness. Goebbels did an excellent job through the newspapers and radio in inculcating the public with the nazi agenda and suppressing dissenting points of views. What does this sound like to you? In my opinion, the libs (and i'm talking far left fringe) who are maybe 5% at most of the populace, are doing the same thing today.

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bigfoot9p6:

FM. You say that the scientists who are conducting the research have a stake in the outcome. First of all, as a scientist, I can say that if this is true then they are not scientists, simple as that. Secondly, you make this point but seem to completely disregard the fact that the folks disputing and providing evidence against global warming are from the coal, oil and other polluting industries. You do not strike me as a particularly stupid person, so I find it difficult to understand how you can overlook this conflict of interest. Likewise you go into how from a couple racists nuts the Left concludes that all tea partiers believe as such, yet a few entries ago you stated that the Left wants us to go live in TP's or somesuch nonsense. Again, you do not strike me as a stupid person, so how do you overlook these parallels?

Taking multiple experts points of view and deciding on your own is important, in fact, I would say that ability is the single most important quality for a president to have. The problem is looking at the evidence AFTER you have already concluded what you believe to be true. I, for one take experts word fairly seriously. I gave three examples of experts supporting the lefts view. Here is one from the opposite perspective. When Petraus said that the surge may work in Iraq, I believed him over, say Olbermann. When Hannity says the earth cant be warming because its snowing outside, I tend to conclude that the man is an idiot.

As a scientist, I am concerned with Facts above all. Without challenging assumptions, you never arrive at any facts. So in forming my political views, I read much more from the right than the left. So far, they have not convinced me. I simply cannot understand people who insist on reading only views that reinforce their existing, most likely incorrect, views.

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Mark in LA:

The parking lot near my office is flat.
Therefore, the earth is flat.
I am now as intelligent, principled, and as qualified to comment on global warming and other complex phenomenon, as: Stillow, Field Marshall, and StatyPolly -all of whom utilize the same genius-level powers of reasoning.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Its fact that most journalists are not only liberal, they are usually on the farthest left of the spectrum; its just a nature of the profession."

Do you mean to say that journalists are socialists or communists? I would think this is an insult to the real socialists and communists, being that journalists mostly work at for-profit companies, very powerful ones at that, and the high-profile ones receive excellent compensation. No self-respecting socialist would approve of the compensation people like Brian Williams or Katie Couric receive compared to the wages of the average editor, writer, technician, or custodian at NBC or CBS.

Neither would any self-respecting communist approve of the news being broadcast by a for profit capitalist concern that makes money by selling ad space to other for profit concerns. The communists would probably not even approve that the company, not the workers, owned the buildings they operate in.

I really wish conservatives would get their political ideologies straight, or at least give context as to what "far left" means to them. Colin Powell is far left to them these days.

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Aaron_in_TX:

I agree with Ryan above that public opinion drives the news now, at least where it involves national politics, not the other way around as conservatives insist.

The most disturbing news trend in my opinion is the obsession with presidential and national politics and the decline in international coverage. That combined with "public opinion" being reported as news, which CNN has gone over the deep end with. CNN spends more time reporting what Jenny W. from Rochester thinks about Palin's hand notes (or what some pundit said about Palin's hand notes) than they do the international arena, even if it's events very close by.

CNN's decline is their own fault. They failed to stake out a clear ideological position, so they lost those audiences, and their news is just plain shoddy and full of gimmicks.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Just look at CNN "iReport" segments, which are usually fairly lengthy. It's some person who gets on youtube and gives their take on something or an alternate camera angle than what the actual news crew captured of whatever event. That is not news.

We're really going back to the future when it comes to news media. Back to the pre WWII days when there was news for every political stripe and there were few standards to keep them in line.

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Ryan:

And how many stories to they now end with "viewer's comments"? Like that changes the facts at all. The channels should have some sort of symbol in the top corner denoting whether the program is fact-reporting (they could put NEWS in the corner), or commentary (and they could put OPINION in the corner). Granted, they would only say 'news' for about 30 minutes a day, if they're lucky.

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Field Marshal:

Mark in LA:

It is slightly warmer today. There must be global warming. I am now as intelligent, principled, and qualified to comment on global warming and other complex issues as Mark in LA, Farleft, Aaron, lat- all of whom utilize the same genius-level power of reasoning.

See how dumb you make yourself out to be Mark?

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BH:

"Climategate still doesn't explain why Vancouver had to import snow to the Winter Olympics. Why is it so warm there this year?"

It's not due to AGW. It's due to a little phenomenon called El Nino. We are having a particularly strong one this year that's causing above normal temps in the Western U.S. and colder temps in the east...it's all quite natural.

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BH:

"Climategate still doesn't explain why Vancouver had to import snow to the Winter Olympics. Why is it so warm there this year?"

It's not due to AGW. It's due to a little phenomenon called El Nino. We are having a particularly strong one this year that's causing above normal temps in the Western U.S. and colder temps in the east...it's all quite natural.

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Thaddeus:

I know this goes back way up the thread, but Nader, Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul have the makings for a great cage match, and I don't really watch wrestling. Boone Pickens could ref; that would be a pay-per-view worth getting.

As for the science of Global Warming, I personally look towards the evidence and then the costs of doing something and nothing compared with probability. What does it cost us know to make a couple billion dollars in R&D in solar and wind technologies (that the private sector will develop into jobs just as every other technology) versus sitting on our hands and refusing to do anything, because your not convinced of the science? Also what probability am I willing to take that pumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere over the next 50 years will not make things horrible for my kids? When I'm 90 can I look my son in the eye and say, "hey, I really thought it was a 1:50 chance that global warming was a fact, so I didn't do anything. Good luck buddy." What odds that Global warming is real would you need before taking any action?

It's one thing to cite economists now on whether the stimulus worked, it's another issue back when it was passed to say that it wasn't needed. The disagreements were more about what should be in a stimulus package, not whether to have one. My favorite quote was from an interview with Mohamed El-Erian (manages a trillion dollars for PIMCO) who recounted calling his wife and telling her to go to the bank and get cash. When asked why, he told her he didn't know if the banks would open the next day.

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Thaddeus:

I know this goes back way up the thread, but Nader, Jesse Ventura and Ron Paul have the makings for a great cage match, and I don't really watch wrestling. Boone Pickens could ref; that would be a pay-per-view worth getting.

As for the science of Global Warming, I personally look towards the evidence and then the costs of doing something and nothing compared with probability. What does it cost us know to make a couple billion dollars in R&D in solar and wind technologies (that the private sector will develop into jobs just as every other technology) versus sitting on our hands and refusing to do anything, because your not convinced of the science? Also what probability am I willing to take that pumping billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere over the next 50 years will not make things horrible for my kids? When I'm 90 can I look my son in the eye and say, "hey, I really thought it was a 1:50 chance that global warming was a fact, so I didn't do anything. Good luck buddy." What odds that Global warming is real would you need before taking any action?

It's one thing to cite economists now on whether the stimulus worked, it's another issue back when it was passed to say that it wasn't needed. The disagreements were more about what should be in a stimulus package, not whether to have one. My favorite quote was from an interview with Mohamed El-Erian (manages a trillion dollars for PIMCO) who recounted calling his wife and telling her to go to the bank and get cash. When asked why, he told her he didn't know if the banks would open the next day.

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BH:

"I am now as intelligent, principled, and as qualified to comment on global warming and other complex phenomenon, as: Stillow, Field Marshall, and StatyPolly"

You mean like the self-proclaimed experts whose "science" has been left in shreds by the lack of peer review, group think and activism that has been placed ahead of real science?

Look it's not Stillow's fault that average global temperature has been flat to down over the last decade. It's not Field's fault that the IPCC got caught with it's pants down for running non-peer material in their reporting that was published by AGW activists. Yeah, these guys may be tea party right-wingers who are desperately clinging to their guns and religion at all costs, but these facts aren't even in dispute within the scientific community and they loom large, despite the kind of "blame the critics" phony outrage that seems to be all the rage these days with AGW zealots when the actual facts come up.

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BH:

"I am now as intelligent, principled, and as qualified to comment on global warming and other complex phenomenon, as: Stillow, Field Marshall, and StatyPolly"

You mean like the self-proclaimed experts whose "science" has been left in shreds by the lack of peer review, group think and activism that has been placed ahead of real science?

Look it's not Stillow's fault that average global temperature has been flat to down over the last decade. It's not Field's fault that the IPCC got caught with it's pants down for running non-peer material in their reporting that was published by AGW activists. Yeah, these guys may be tea party right-wingers who are desperately clinging to their guns and religion at all costs, but these facts aren't even in dispute within the scientific community and they loom large, despite the kind of "blame the critics" phony outrage that seems to be all the rage these days with AGW zealots when the actual facts come up.

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BH:

"What does it cost us know to make a couple billion dollars in R&D in solar and wind technologies (that the private sector will develop into jobs just as every other technology) versus sitting on our hands and refusing to do anything, because your not convinced of the science?"

But it's not a few billion. A few billion we can blow...and have. It's tens of trillions of dollars activists want governements to spend to combat an unproven threat (and this is not even including the corporate investment some co.'s are willing to take on).

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bigfoot9p6:

Field Marshal:
Mark in LA:

It is slightly warmer today. There must be global warming. I am now as intelligent, principled, and qualified to comment on global warming and other complex issues as Mark in LA, Farleft, Aaron, lat- all of whom utilize the same genius-level power of reasoning.

See how dumb you make yourself out to be Mark?

Careful there FM, the equal and opposite of that statement is actually your party's exact reasoning.

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Farleftandproud:

Pollster hasn't been working well lately.

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