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US: National Survey (NBC/WSJ 1/10-14)


NBC News / Wall Street Journal
1/10-14/10; 1,002 adults, 3.1% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(NBC: story, results; WSJ: story, results)

National

State of the Country
34% Right direction, 54% Wrong track (chart)

Job Approval / Disapproval
48% Approve, 43% Disapprove (chart)
Economy: 43 / 49 (chart)
Foreign Policy: 50 / 37 (chart)
War on terrorism: 45 / 44
Health Care: 38 / 55 (chart)

Congressional Job Approval
21% Approve, 67% Disapprove (chart)

Positive / Negative
Barack Obama: 52 / 35 (chart)

What is your preference for the outcome of this year's congressional elections--a Congress controlled by Republicans or a Congress controlled by Democrats?
41% Republican, 41% Democratic

In the next election for U.S. Congress, do you feel that your representative deserves to be reelected, or do you think that it is time to give a new person a chance?
39% Deserves to be re-elected, 49% Give new person a chance

From what you have heard about Barack Obama's health care plan, do you think his plan is a good idea or a bad idea?
33% Good idea, 46% Bad idea (chart)

Party ID
27% Democrat, 19% Republican, 46% independent (chart)

 

Comments
Farleftandproud:

If Congress wants to raise their approval to 39. Pass Health Care! Do Something! Screw the Republicans. They are evil and their policies are the cancer of the Western world. Do something Democrats!!!!

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Stillow:

LOL....you lefties just don't get it...election after election now you are getting your butt kicked....people do not want this HCR......but don't listen to me, please try and pass it, please!

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Xenobion:

I would say that if any silver lining will emerge from this is that Democrats will learn how to fight. If Repubs end up getting control of any office again expect Dems to put the brake on EVERYTHING just as Republicans have done. War has been declared. Expect nothing to get done in Washington for quite a few years no matter who's in control.

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Stillow:

X - your right X, its war...and you lefties are on the losing side....a new majoirty coalition is forming between conservatives and moderates to combat the far left extremist stuff coming fro mthe Dems.

If the Dems want to sruvive, they better come abck to the center....there are simply not enough liberals to win elections for you guys. This new alliance between cons and moderates has won in VA, NJ and now in deep blue Mass.

You guys are in deep deep trouble unless you dro pthe far left crap and come to the center.

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BH:

Xenobion, you say that as if it was a bad thing...kind of like one party rule.

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Bigmike:

It has been a partisan war for a generation. My not so humble opinion is that it started with Bork and has been going downhill ever since.

Health care isn't dead. Too much political capital invested by too many. They just have to start over and come up with something that makes sense this time. It won't look like this liberal trash they have been trying to ram down everyones throat.

I am enjoying the fact that MA killed HCR. I am really enjoying watching the news on MSNBC. Chris Matthews is so pale he looks almost as dead as the public option.

The ultra liberal Obama agenda is gone. Bye, bye cap and trade. So long stimulus II or III, wherever we are on that topic. Govt won't be able to take over any more of the private sector.

I think I will stay up late just to watch Keith Olberman pout.

Happy days are here again!

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JMSTiger:

Thankfully, we are heading away from one party rule and back toward divided government. Neither party deserves to have complete control of the Federal Government. The Republicans from 2001-06 had complete control and they started an illegal and immoral war in Iraq, ran up the national debt, spent money like drunken sailors and enlarged the size of the Federal Government. They rightly had their asses handed to them in 2006 and 2008. Now, here come the leftist Democrats and they have blown a bigger hole in the debt than the GOP could have ever dreamed of, they have further enlarged the government and higher taxes are just around the corner. They now deserve to get their tails kicked. Our system works better with divided government. I prefer the politicians get as little done as possible and stay out of our business. This is what happened from 1995-2000 and those were some of the best times this country has ever experienced.

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Xenobion:

There will always be liberals Stillow and if you think you can get a supermajority in the house and senate after what Republicans pulled I welcome you to try. But expect NO Republican agenda to get passed until that point ever.

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Xenobion:

And what's this alliance with moderates? RINO's I thought they were called. When's the next witchhunt? lol Scott Brown for abortions if I remember correctly...

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Aaron_in_TX:

Regardless, it's a huge setback for health care.

If I were a democratic strategist, I'd advise them to pull back on health care, write separate bills fixing the parts that there's broad agreement on, ie: pre-existing conditions, portability, and maybe, MAYBE medicaid expansion to try and cover some of the uninsured. Other than that, I don't think health care will see any movement for years to come.

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Commander_King:

Big Mike and Stillow never fail to amaze me with their madness. Happy days are here again? Are you actually telling me the Bush years were HAPPY days? Then you got Stillow saying "conservatives and moderates are forming an alliance".Whats new? moderates always go for the other guy...moderates will go for the Democrats and then back to the GOP and vice versa. I also love how Stillow talks about all of these elections Democrats keep losing...remember 2006 and 2008...just how many elections did the GOP lose? A whole lot more than Democrats have lost recently Stillow.

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Aaron_in_TX:

This is a reply to a question posed to me on a previous thread.

Statypolly,

Let me explain to you my feelings on healthcare that will explain my position.

My father was a farmer, worked for himself, so he had an individual policy with a regional health ins company that no longer exists (I believe it was bought out by Aetna a few years ago). He discovered in 1996 (age 53) that he had a lung disease that could not be identified (it was likely caused by pesticide exposure), but it didn't cause him too much trouble right away. They called it COPD for lack of a better term, but it's not the same as the COPD/emphysema associated with smoking. Due to the nature of his diagnosis (doctors determined the damage to his lung had probably occurred in the 1980s), the health ins co. declared that this was a pre-existing condition he had not disclosed and consequently voided the policy he had. They renewed him and introduced an elimination rider for this condition.

This became disastrous a few years later. In 1999/2000, the damaged area became infected which required 12 hospitalizations in two years time. I was 16/17 at the time; it was particularly traumatizing. He did recover, but his ability to work was severely impacted. Now, farmers usually don't have a lot of liquid capital, and his hospital bills were immense due to insurance not covering much of it. Eventually they were able to get him on my mom's employer plan but it took several years and a lawyer to do it because they resisted. So he couldn't make money like he used to and had immense bills to pay. He's never told me the financial details, out of pride I think, but he sold all of his property, and from what I know of his finances now, the health bills must have consumed around 90% of his assets.

To make matters worse, in 2008 he was diagnosed with large granular lymphoma, which completely obliterated his ability to hold even an easy part-time job (he had been working pt for a church before). My mom had changed jobs by this time and her insurance was not as good, so bills were starting to pile up again. They would have gone bankrupt or lost their house. Luckily by then I had just gotten out of the military after 6 years, did two deployments so I had some cash saved up; I was able to pay off their mortgage. They went on medicare in 2009 and the situation eased somewhat.

If the insurance had worked the way it was supposed to, many of the problems could have been avoided. I will always, ALWAYS support health care reform due to that experience. It should have happened in 94, then all of this might have been avoided. What happened to him was wrong. So I don't accept that all uninsured or underinsured people are irresponsible. Maybe a few are, but I doubt this is the majority. To the contrary, I have first-hand experience with how a health emergency can cause downward mobility despite the "responsible" precaution of having insurance.

Now I'm not in the greatest situation myself since I don't make all that much money anymore and can only afford a high-deductible plan. I have a couple grand in an HSA, but it doesn't yet cover the deductible. It'll take me a few more years at this rate, so until then if I have an accident or get sick I may be the one bankrupt. All my assets will just about cover one year's deductible & coinsurance. All I can do is hope I don't get sick so it doesn't come to that. I'm trying my best but a sickness, which is beyond my control can ruin me. Again, I don't see how this kind of system is good and it baffles me that people are resistant to changing it.

This is our system - your insurance is tied to your job, so if you lose your job you lose your insurance. But if you get sick you may lose your ability to work and thus your job and insurance. And then private insurance doesn't always work like it's supposed to. Only the devil could have devised a system that evil.

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Mark in LA:

Liberals should take advice from sensible voices like Stillow, Karl Rove, and Rush. If we just listen to these guys, we'll right the ship and sail to even bigger supermajorities this fall.
Or not.

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Mark in LA:

I live on a dirt road in rural Alabama. I am surrounded by the working poor. I know loggers, farmers, factory workers, truckers, construction workers, etc. that put in 60-80 hours a week and they will never, ever be able to afford decent health insurance. When they get seriously injured or sick, the hospital bills will be several years' worth or their meager salaries/income.
The Republicans tell them to suck it up.
The Democrats try to craft a bill to cover them.
The Republicans cry "Socialism" and warn them that their taxes will be increased to pay for more welfare benefits for inner city blacks.
They vote Republican.
We keep the status quo.

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Farleftandproud:

Democrats Come back to the Ctr? I think the Dems have been sold out to corporate interests. The health care bill started without single payer, and than the public option was killed. After Lieberman had wattered everything down his approval in his state dropped 20 points. America liked the public option, but than when it got wattered down by conservadems, America didn't like it as much any more, so Evan Bayh's take about moving to the center is ridiculous. I say fight fight fight Democrats and pass it even if it goes to a fillibuster. As for the liberal media, they should focus on the reason we got ourself into the healthcare debate in the first place. If Evan Bayb, doesn't play along with the plan we started, he will lose in 2010. All the Conservadems who got influenced by the Fox news and tea bagger's distortions, will lose their base, and in the end, things will get more chaotic politically than they are now. I'll say it again...Health care reform is not a popularity contest, but we need more regulations to at least not deny people of pre-existing conditions and have more competition and possibly insurance co-ops to save costs. What is so radical and socialist about passing a health care reform plan that cuts costs.

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Field Marshal:

X,

If nothing gets done, then all the better for this country. But maybe, just maybe, the Dems will want to COMPROMISE on issue and include the Reps in negotiations and the crafting of legislation. This is what normally occurs in congress.

However, since the Dems controlled the WH and got a supermajority, they thought they could simply ignore the Reps and shut them out of the process. Well, it serves them right what they have received, and will receive in spades in November.

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Xenobion:

If you don't think compromise is going on then you're a fool. This started out as a reach out for bipartisanship but Repubicans had nothing to gain or garner from HCR. They chose that even though it was a government takeover of healthcare that they rather not put their hands on it at all and just campaign against it. No compromises are going to be made when both parties are splitting apart from each other exactly like its going on in the California legislature.

People also fail to recognize that the Democrats are in control over a populist annoyance of Republicans and their tactics so I'd REALLY REALLY REALLY like to see Republicans given a second crack at this to essentially show that TaxCut/Deficit model is pure and utter failure.

Sad it seems America in either situation is doomed to failure. Either taxcut away our budget or a huge government takeover of something. Happy days are here my friends I pretty much anticipate immigration, environmental, and healthcare to degrade worse this decade because America rather sit in the blinder seat than take any reliable risk to TRY anything. We are the Country of No now I guess. Bipartisanship is dead and there's no reason to try and ressurect it when we can just throw incumbants out after 1 or 2 years in office lolz.

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Stillow:

X - The Dems early on did not take GOP ideas seriously...tort reform for example was NEVER going to be part of any compromise....the GOP played this perfectly. In 2008 the country did vote for change...but what we got was more of the same from Obama. Back room deals, openly bribing members of Congress...secret meetings, blah blah....that is not what people thought they were getting.

This country is desperately seeking quality leadership and right now they are not getting it from either party.

Indy's hav enow totally abandoned the left. right nwo what needs to happen is HCR needs to be scrapped and totally started over with open meetings and actually getting ideas from both sides.....but this needs to happen after the economy is addressed.

Clearly one party rule does not work wheather its GOP or Dem who is the one party and the people are making adjustments to compenstate for that.

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StatyPolly:

Aaron,

I appreciate your story about your dad, and I admit that there are people that fall thru the cracks in our system. However, the part where your dad got sick in 96, but because the doctors said he probably got that damage in the 80's and ins. co. deemed it a pre-existing condition does not ring true, or at least it is illegal to do so in most, if not all states.

And just to make it clear, I do support portability and fixing pre-existing condition holes in our system. It won't be easy and it will raise either premiums or taxes for the healthy, but so be it.

But I'll tell one thing - if your dad similar problem in the U.K. or France or Canada, he probably would not be alive today. Those systems are just not set up to deal with rare diseases.

I've got the exact opposite story about my dad. He got a heart condition about 20 years ago (also in his 50's) and about 10 years ago he was slowly dying, as all his options (meds, pacemaker, surgeries) were failing to keep it running. He got an experimental (he was in the first 5 in the world) pacemaker that completely stabilized him. He is in his mid 70's now and is still kicking around and even runs a business. True story, and I am completely convinced that he also would not be around today, if we had some form of socialized medicine.

I've lived in two European countries in my younger days, and healthcare there was terrible compared to ours. Nobody gives a crap about you as a patient and they're decades behind us technologically. You're especially screwed if you get something unusual.

So yes, it sucks to lose your job, and it sucks to get sick, and it sucks to lose money in stock market, and it sucks to buy a house and then have its value drop by 50% in the next couple of years.

I am friends with a couple (late 30's -early 40's) that are both artists and make a pretty decent living, although sporadic. They have not kids, own a nice home and cars, dine out all the time, and take plenty of nice vacations. Never bothered to get insurance. She got some sort of abdominal tumor, not malignant, but it was huge and growing fast and was threatening to damage organs. Had to go pretty quick. They tried to buy insurance, but of course were told, it wasn't gonna cover this surgery. They ended up getting a pro-bono surgeon, and negotiated low rates with the hospital and whoever else was involved. And had to borrow from friends to cover it. Turned out fine and now they do have insurance.

Bottom line is lets plug some of those holes in our system, but not discard it outright for something inferior. Unfortunately, trying to jam that garbage down our throats may have poisoned the whole topic to the extend that nobody may want to touch even a common sense reform.

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Xenobion:

There's no right leadership so indy's are really abandoning all hope. Both parties are so different on HCR that it'll never get done just like Clinton tried. I'm sure we'll attempt it in another 20 years but many people will probably just be dead so who gives a damn. Yeah Tort reform really was the lynchpin of everything going on here. Give me a break. The system works, we got the best of everything! No problems here. Well America will still be better than Slovokia right? Oh wait they're ahead of us in Health Care...?

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Stillow:

X - Wow, sour grapes huh? tort reform was just one example....Dems screwed up by lockign the door, holding votes i nthe middle of the night, etc...they politicized it and it backfired big on them.

Lets also not forget 85 percent of americans are happy with the coverage they have....and they dont want the greatest HC system i nthe world totally dismantled and replaced with some lame liberal system that will hurt everyone.

Make the current system better..........

Settle down X, politics is a rough game. Dems just totally screwed this up from the start....it started when they called old ladies thugs and comapred thedm to nazi's.....

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saywhat90:

Partisanship is what is going to destroy this country. And Scott Brown will be the catalyst for the worse kind of partisanship since well, the Bush adminstration. It is because of this nonsense that one side thinks they are what's best for the country that we are in this economic situation. Whichever party is in the minority will do all they can to stop the other's legislation.It is sad. And Americans are idiots becuase they fall for this partisan nonsense. Republicans are not the answer for America anymore than Democrarts are. Liberals don't have all the answers no more than Conservatives do. All are hyporcrits and do whatever they want to do despite what it cost. I am sick and tired of all this partisan nonsense. I am ashamed that this has turned into constest of who gets more one ups on the other instead of being about a real desire to both work for what's best for America.

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Stillow:

saywhat90

Thanks for the warm and fuzzies, but reality does not work that way. Partisanship exists because people have different ideas on how to proceed on various issues. Politics has been an ugly game since 1776 andyet we are still here and still the wrolds super power.

The danger is in that partisanship is now turning to hate. Remember Reagan and Tip? At the end of the day they'd go have a drink together and buddy it up. Nowadays the two sides hate eachother.

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Xenobion:

Dems did all those tactics because all Reps wanted to do is exercise a filibuster. Read the damn bill on the floor for 200+ hours ect. Its started when we went to war in two Countries complicitly passing Bush's budgets even though most liberals did not want to. NEVER expect that again. I don't care if Sarah Palin is elected president noone will play ball if stagnating legislation is how to win elections. But read my lips (no pun intended) immigration reform DEAD, HCR DEAD, Environmental reform DEAD. We will just allow these problems to stack up over time. I'm not on board with the Republican positions on these issues and sure as hell will call my Senator to never balk against these a-holes and their positions. The Republican agenda is as dead as the Democrats frankly as I see it and if America wants stagnation and no reform on any major hot button issue then let her suffer till its too late. I mean hindsight is 20/20. If its a point America wants. Let her reap the consequences. Populism works both ways. Its why we elected Obama in the first place. That's the thing about independents is that there are a lot of em and this outcome will make them just as mad as hell as the teabaggers out now.

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Stillow:

X - the tea parties are normal people from bot hparties who are sick and tired of the system. You have to realzie HCR was extremely unpopular. The GOP was standing up for about 2/3 of the people who DO NOT this versio nof HCR.......its 2,000+ pages of nonsense harvard lawyers cna barely understand. This country works because we do not engage in RADICAL change to our way of life.

The Dems brought htis on themselves. Your anger shoudl be focused on them. The GOP actually grew a pair and stood up for there small g'ment principles and did not let the libs takeover 1/6 of the eocnomy.

Go back to square one on HCR, open the doors, have open hearings...not midnight votes. Actually take ideas from btoh sides and negotiiate and HCR will be reversed with 2/3 for it instead of against it.

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Bigmike:

@Commander_King

Just a little innocent fun. We conservatives have had our noses rubbed in it plenty since the 08 elections. Now we get a turn. Get over it.

@saywhat90

"Scott Brown will be the catalyst for the worse kind of partisanship since well, the Bush adminstration."

Dubya never had 60 Senate votes. He had to have Dems to get anything done. BO had, until yesterday, the luxury of needing zero Republican votes. And he used it. How much more partisan can you get? But that was OK. We get what we vote for ourselves.

Don't act like the Republicans in the current congress invented partisanship and obstructionism. And don't give me a speech that future Dem minorities are going to be partisan and obstructionist because of this. They have been that way every time they were in the minority for the last 30 years.

The GOP isn't made up of saints either. Both sides have the same playbook.

Isn't it time to throw them all out and get a fresh start?

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Xenobion:

HCR is what got Obama in. Hell Hillary's plan was supposed to be more liberal than his covering 100% of people (remember that whole what's universial debate?). HCR started at 60% popularity then Republicans ran their smear campaign of "well our system is the greatest in the world", and "who cares about dying people that can't afford it", "maybe they should just get jobs or something"... Yeah right f-ing facists.

The last bill up was the Senate bill which was essentially proping up the private sector with mandates of coverage for those who weren't covered. YEAH PRIVATE CORPORATIONS... CAPITALISM F-YEAH! nope... not on board with that either. I guess Republicans REALLY REALLY wanted that tort reform and a bagel with cream cheese in their health plan. And it was just so much easier to do nothing and have Sarah Palin writting on Facebook and Rush Limbaugh having heart attacks saying how awesome our healthcare is so leave it alone. Yeah really awesome system we have here.

Yeah supermajorities happen and I'd like to say Democrats haven't overly abused the system other than just a Bailout which conservatives were on board with BTW. Bush passed two war budgets saying Democrats don't want your soldiers to have bullet proof vests, ect. Guess liberals gotta go the same route if they get voted out of office. We'll remember never to support the "party of no" with a "party of nowhere." We'll gleefully just pass bills about trade, or biogenetics, or something mundane but not really controversial because its all about control and not about getting anything done. Its about the religion of ideology. Not about actually achieving something even if it goes against your economic principles.

Blah blah blah the baseball game is over and I don't care if Obama is pitching or whomever the Republicans put on the mound. The game is canceled. We're all going to charge the mound anyways...

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StatyPolly:

I think all the forecasts of hyper-partisanship are BS.

Won't work unless the ELECTORATE is on board.

The reason GOP is the party of "NO" right now, is because the majority of the electorate is against all the major items Dems are trying to push.

Had the voters supported HCR of Cap-n-Trade in bigger numbers, Congress GOP would not be so partisan. Same will be true if and when GOP the majority. Dems will support or reject things as it benefits them personally.

THESE ARE POLITICIANS, PEOPLE. Self interest and survival first. Policy or grudges later.

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Stillow:

X - your just wrong. HC did not get obama elected, it was the eocnomy and jobs. History shows us during recession the other party always wins. His victory was misread by lefties like you as a mandate for giant liberal programs to be imposed...it was not. It was all baout the economy.

Your anger is to be expected.....but your party started last summer by calling little old ladies thugs and nazi's....you dimissed all hte pople attending town hall meetings say we don't want this. You ignored wha thappened in NJand VA....now Mass has finally sent you a message to stop.

Dems are masters of dirty sleezy tactics and it sbackfiring.

Go ahead and vent now, but unless your party totally centers itself and reverses to a more logical approach, you will cotninue to lose, again and again.

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Xenobion:

The economy and jobs? Why didn't we elect Clinton then? We elected someone for a fresh change which in whatever limted aspect we tried to do. If MA were so stupid to blame the Democrats for this economy they deserve Scott Brown. I mean Coakely was a terrible candidate but if they knew what was at stake they would have just settled for her for 3 years rather than a person that will probably not survive MA. Lets just oust incumbants after 1 year in office! Yeah get em all out of there! Even though most of are new anyways!

Republicans are just as good of masters when they are in control saying your "un-American" not a "Real American" WTF IS A REAL AMERICAN? I feel like Americans are so dumb when it comes to hindsight that we just got rid of 8 years of Bush because of all these Karl Rove tactics and spin doctoring. Poor johnny won't have a bullet proof vest in Iraq. Mean ol' Democrats.

Yes MA has given me the message to stop. Stop everything. Never approach a hard issue because its not worth losing seats for all the little issues. Republicans will never reform anything. They failed with Immigration with McCain and we'll probably fail with HCR with Obama. Keep patching the ship with a new layer of duct tape and hope it doesn't sink because if we think we have the best country in the world it'll stay that way! Republicans continue to move the right and are controlled by the religious fringe of their party and democrats have to center????!!!! Yeah right give me a break. The parties will polarize because noones voting in Pat Robertson racist a-hole Mcbigot to the White House. Your party has its own ideological problems while I'll admit mine for the Democrats.

This Country is polarized and you have places like Texas wanting to cede. Well there are more than enough liberal places that wouldn't mind. I wouldn't expect more off in the future for another freaking civil war to practically break out or just a complete shutdown of government ala Gingrich. I guess we can only hope in the spirt of being on the "right side" of an issue. Nihilism rules the day. Just don't care! Pass nothing! Party of No, Party of Nothing!

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Stillow:

Because the Dem nominee is chosen by the liberals i nthe party and they liked O more than Hillary. Where's al lthe hope and change? I lost count of the lies he told during the campaign. He's a typical politican.

Are you seriously ok with back room deals? midnight votes on christmas eve, openly bribing senators to get there votes? This is not what was promised and the people said enough is enough. We were promised transparency, bipartisanship, etc....the Dems shut out the GOP from day one....any attempt at getting GOP input was nothing more than lip service and you know it.

HCR does not equal g'ment takeoever. Libs have been tryign to take over HC for decades and each time the people stand up and say NO! We do not want a g'ment run system i nthis country, get over it. How many times do you need to be defeated before you geet it?

Again, you can say alll you want...but unless the Dems move to the center and so fast, its over for them....your party is in danger of splitting in to two, the libs and moderates who now cannot stand eachother.

I suggest you target your anger at your own party....people said no the sleezyness....and O better get his act together and stop breaking his promises of change...or he will lose and los ebig in 2012.

Rass's exit polling had Brown winning 73 percent of Indy's....NJ and VA saw heavy movement as well to the right by Indy's. You will not win any elections like this.

You guys better get your act together....take this Mass race on the chin like a man and realize what you need to do and that is start over and do it right.

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Xenobion:

I don't need to know every freaking butt scratch of HCR. Votes were on Christmas Eve to make a deadline which we've been doing/talking whatever of HCR since August. Many Americans just want to move on. And as far as pork in the bill it was going to happen. Every state gets it. I understand that Obama cannot stop the political realities of the policy making process when votes are so tight and republicans don't want to play ball.

Obama and the Democrats are doing what we've mandated them to do. I have no anger toward my party but a party that has no platform, is issuing ideas that bankrupt this Country in the first place, and now wants to throw this sh!t back in our faces? Amercia can only be so dumb to deserve such failed politicans and their ideas. I'm so incredibly frustrated that I cannot even understand what Republicans and their platform want on a National Scale that I point all my frustration towards them as nothing more than smear tactic, nihilistic, ineffectiual, repeat-failiures that have no interest to take on any major problem America is facing. RACE TO THE BOTTOM friends. Never TRY to do something. You'll only get beat down if you do and be told, well no that was no mandate. We just like you to be ineffectual and doing nothing in congress. And since you guys are so polarized we hate you even more. Sometimes you need supermajorities to get things done and since bi-partisanship is dead I won't expect much to get passed for a good 10 years as far as major legislation goes if we continue on this path to nothing. Fine move the Republicans in a majority so we can boot them out again 2 years later. Don't you see a problem here? This is a pretty hideous cycle we're in and we're going to miss the boat on pretty much everything now.

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Stillow:

Well X....clearly the MA loss has enraged youand discouraged you. Perhaps in a few days you'll come back down out of the clouds.

Your party is in serioud danger right now. As angry as the country gets at the GOP, whenever we elect a liberal we quickly remember why we don't elect liberals....Clinton was smart enough to move to the center to save his preidency.....will Obama? Porbably not and he will enjoy one terma nd one term only.

My only advice is to move to the center or you will contineu to lose....and right now 10 looks to be worse for you guys than 94 was.

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Stillow:

MA really did step up and most likely saved this country from a horrible bill that would have done irreversable damage to this country.

This country owes the people of MA a great deal of grattitude.

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Xenobion:

The fact you think Obama is an overwhelming liberal is what makes this commical. Kucinich, Rockafeller, Fiengold. THOSE are left-wing liberals. Obama is ambitious which is translated and smeared into instantaneously liberal. Conservatives were on board with the bailout, they voted for it too and was pushed by Bush. Obama frankly has done nothing yet (that was the argument agains the peace prize no?). So he can hardly be considered ANYTHING when he hasn't done anything. All I know is there isn't a shot in the dark of me, and many other base Democrats in ever supporting the right wing looney town Republicans that barely run the party now. Bohener-Cantor is as evil as Reid-Pelosi. Its everyone hates an incumbant now and those guys are as unpopular as Dick Cheney after shooting his friend in the face. If thing are dire for the Democrats they're as dire for the Republicans because they'll drag down Republicans in the smear campaign now that they've had this awakening. This anger has been quite real for some time. It only took some watered down Republican that would have been called a RINO if he would have lost that we are here today. Its not about being, right, not about tackling problems. Its ideological political infighting for the future. Even if Republicans manage to swing a victory in the house or senate expect them to be as ineffectual, and dead weight as the Democrats now. Republicans have absolutely no hope of passing any agenda if they get control of any house, even a supermajority so I'll stop you right there. Americans will constantly be in arms and something big will happen and I'm not necessarily talking about voting. Endgame is stalemate and the next step. Anyone can gain power at this point and if Republicans continue to sell this trash of Cut & Spend then expect Democrats to be back in office the next year later. You have no platform to move us out of this stalemate, what makes you think that you'll have one in November?

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saywhat90:

Bigmike and Stillow: First to Bigmike. I never said it was Bush's fault or the Republicans. I said that when the partisanship got worse. And who was the minority then. I do also remember saying that they are all hypocrits. Which means they have all done the same thing. And no Stillow partisan is not a part of our history. Having different views and ideas and being able to work towards a common goals that incorporates all views has been our history. This is not how it is now. Now it's if you don't agree you hate america. Now it's let destroy the other party and make sure that they get nothing done becuase we have to beat them. It's not about all americans, in spite of their view, having a descent life in this coutnry. It's about party oneupmanship and party victories. Who has majority is all it's about. It's not about what's right for america it's about what's right for a group or party. The tea party does not represent what I believe americas is no more than moveone does. all the represent a unfounded hatred of people with different views. The forefather would be upset to see what these two parties have done to american civility and respect of all views. Even when they hated those views they still managed to work them out. Now its no to anything from both parties when they are in the minority to defeat that party. It's sad and pathetic.

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saywhat90:

statypolly: Republicans were in opposition no matter how the public felt. It has nothing to do with the electorate. They had this plan since January 2009. The electorate weren't angry then. They started with NO from day one of his inauguration.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"but because the doctors said he probably got that damage in the 80's and ins. co. deemed it a pre-existing condition does not ring true, or at least it is illegal to do so in most, if not all states."

Statypolly,

Unfortunately Texas has fewer patient protections than other states. I encourage you to go to Kaiser Foundation and compare, you'll see it's one of the worst. Ie: the look-back period is 60 months! comared to New Hampshire where it's 3.

It is illegal to deny coverage completely, but there are numerous ways insurance companies can use elimination riders so they don't have to pay for certain conditions. That's why my dad got some treatments paid for, but most not during the period in question. You'll find these riders are easier to implement in Texas than other states.

He could have sued, which they did in order to get him covered on my mom's employer plan. I'm not sure why he didn't sue his old company. Probably financial issues, back then I was too young to understand.

I agree there has been much misinformation in the health care debate and the democrats handled it badly and got caught up arguing details when they should have focused on the big picture. Ie: the public option. They should have just forgotten about it. But the republicans have been irresponsible with much of their unfounded criticism and alarmism.

As for the artist couple you talked about, I do think it's irresponsible to go without any insurance whatsoever. A catastrophic plan is cheaper than cable or many cel-phone bills and at the very least most people can get that. $15,000 debt is better than $100,000, although I don't think that is a great situation

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Stillow:

X - center, you better move to the middle.....thats all I can tell you at this point.

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Xenobion:

Where's the center? Do nothing? tax cuts that we can't afford? more utter failure that got us here? Republican's will fail to tackle any big policy in stride. Our party is already center with Pat Robertson/Rush Limbaugh loons talking about the anti-christ and being racist reactionary bigots.

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StatyPolly:

I hear you, Aaron.

I just don't want us to move to a euro style system. They're terrible. And in a large and diverse country like ours, I think quality of care would be even lower than in Europe.

From what I am hearing today, both Dems and Reps are talking about some of the things you want done and most people agree on. Pre-existing and portability among them. Those would go a long way to help. We'll see how it goes..

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Stillow:

You can afford tax cuts if you cut spending....I'm with you on Bush's taxcut and spend policies. Cut taxes, cut spending, let people keep there money they earn.

Come to the middle, open the door, publicly invite the GOP to offer up ideas on HCR,do it i nthe open....tha tis the middle...if the Dems do that they can rebound....if they publicly open the doors, let people sse the talks and invite the GOp it would work...then if the gop didn't help, the people would hold them accountable.

There is an anger brewing in this country and it goes beyond repub vs dem....its about our way of governing...and people do not want this senaky closed door and open bribery stuff....they just dont.

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Xenobion:

The door was open in the begining. That was the comittee process in which all prominent Republicans participated in the amendment process. They chose not to particpate because they had no political chips to gain. Republican's were there to defend Ted Stevens the biggest Sweetheart Dealer in America and noone batted an eyelash. 1 year of Obama makes enough people think I guess. I guess idiocy has perfect timing.

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Stillow:

Your bordering on hopeless X....the Dems shut out the gop fro mthe start....the rest was lip service.

I'm tellin ya and you will probably ignore, but you better get your party to stop ding what they are doing...Dems do not lose ted k's seat in MA unless they are doing soemthing SERIOUSLY wrong................

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Xenobion:

Republicans filed 64 amendments. What's not open about that? Do we need to have an open house and post it on telephone poles around the block? Where were you when Bush essentially didn't do one iota of something transparent. You're all nitpicky about the back room of the Senate as if you've always been entitled to know what's going on back there. Hindsight, hindsight, hindsight.

Martha Coakley ran a terrible campaign and thought she won before she didn't. I don't doubt the National Stage was in that race as well but Martha Cokehead was doing something terribly terribly wrong after gaffe after gaffe.

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Stillow:

Where was I? I was with millions of other conservatives who stopped supporting Bush.

Brown won for one reason and only one reason. He promised to vote against the current HCR. You have to accept the fact the majoirty of this country does not want this monster of a bill. its a bad bad bill and will hurt this country.

More than 8 in 10 americans like there insurance just fine.....so it snatural people don't want to exchange that system for a g'ment take over.

I really don't think your side is ging t oget the message and 2010 I now see the GOp taking both houses of Congress.

Bush angered Indy's with his wreckless spending...but Dems are now permanantly alienating indy's with the far left stuff.

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Xenobion:

I could care less about 8 of 10 americans that so happen to have insurance when there is 2 out of 10 that atleast have none and 4 out of 10 that are under insured. Its actually really nice insurance if you have it and don't need it! Convienence!

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