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US: National Survey (Quinnipiac 11/9-16)


Quinnipiac
11/9-16/09; 2,518 registered voters, 2% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Quinnipiac release)

National

Obama Job Approval
48% Approve, 42% Disapprove (chart)
Reps: 14 / 77 (chart)
Dems: 82 / 10 (chart)
Inds: 43 / 46 (chart)
Economy: 43 / 52 (chart)
Foreign Policy: 49 / 42 (chart)

Do you think the U.S. is doing the right thing by fighting the war in Afghanistan now, or should the U.S. not be involved in Afghanistan now?
48% Right thing
41% Shouldn't be involved

Do you think the United States will be successful in building a stable democratic government in Afghanistan or not?
22% Yes, 63% No

Do you think the United States will be successful in eliminating the threat from terrorists operating from Afghanistan or not?
36% Yes, 53% No

General Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, has asked President Obama to send 40,000 additional combat troops. Should Obama send the troops or not?
47% Yes, 42% No

Do you trust President Obama to make the right decisions about U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan or not?
53% Yes, 42% No

Do you trust the U.S. military to make the right recommendations about U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan or not?
77% Yes, 18% No

Do you think the United States is heading for the same kind of involvement in Afghanistan as it had in the Vietnam War, or do you think the United States will avoid that kind of involvement this time?.
35% Same as Vietnam, 51% Will avoid that

 

Comments
jack:

This should be troubling for Obama supporters. Quinnipiac is not generally viewed by liberals as a bad or conservative-leaning pollster.

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Stillow:

That is right...as I said yesterday, I perosnally put more value to polling firms who aren't large liberal media outlets like CBS, CNN, etc.

Interesting how a non liberal media outlet pollster like Q has Obama at 48 and some of the networks have him up at 58.....hmmmm.

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Xenobion:

I don't find it troubling when 10 other polls show these numbers +7.

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Farleftandproud:

The Networks go by all Americans and Quinipiac goes by registered voters. Unlike Rasmussen Quinipiac is looking for truth and accuracy and they are just as hard on GOP Incumbents as they are Democrats. They ask the people being polled some tough questions. They also have a category for people who are undecided as well. The other pollsters have either those approve or disapprove. As the 1980's song by the band Rush goes, "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" "I will choose freewill".

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Xenobion:

Quinnipiac is a birthchild of CBS fyi, not that it matters, they practice good polling and a decent methodology as Farleft has pointed out. You just need to know the efficacy of the poll. You descriminate the methodology but not everyone has the knowledge to do that so they just call out a liberal/conservative media polling institute because of their affiliation which is perhaps the most flawed methodology out there.

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Stillow:

X...if CBS for just one example is willing to air forged documents to sway a presdiential election, what makes you htink they would not forge polling results to sway public opinion?

This is common sense, big liberal media outlets are going to "produce" results they want. It will only work for so long though. Rass' tracker is at 47, Gallup at 50....I find it suspicious that big liberal media polling seems to always favor Obama more than say Q, Rass, Gallup, Pew, etc. Not always, but more often than not this is true. Sometimes the networks are forced to actually report real numbers to save face.


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Xenobion:

Because polling institutions are seperate subsidiaries of a company and cannot forge methodology. The crazy polls out there exist for a simple reason, bad assumptions on math like party ID, polling areas, ect. If you do the math you can smell a rat.

lol Big Liberal Media Polling? I simply don't believe you understand how polling institutions work, how they do statistical science, ect. Q is not a conservative media polling center. They are a University and hire CBS pollsters to help manage their work. I think you create these conspiracy theories for your own delight. Since you do not crunch the numbers like many others on this sight I don't expect you to have any proof of how other media polling institutes forge their numbers. What you say is heresay and a lack of understanding in how pollsters report numbers.

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Wong:

This poll is not indicative of any slide for Obama, In spite of the heel clicking going on among the rabid right. The poll has a 2% margin of error. Eliminate the undecideds and extrapolate the percentages and you will come close to the numbers that Obama won by.

Some people are desperate to create a narrative that matches their ideology. It simply doesn't stand up to reality.

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Stillow:

Sorry X, the big liberal media and there polling groups will alwya sput out numbers they want. A polling outfit will put out numbers the people paying there bills want to see. If you think CBS would forge military documents, but not polling data,then that is just your inabilityto live i nthe real world as it exists today. There's a suspicious difference between liberal media connected polling and non liberal media connected polling.

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Stillow:

Polling, espeically those connected to liberal media is more about making news these days rather than actually getting an accurate read of public opinion.

These big liberal MSM outlets like CBS, NY Times, LA Times, CNN, etc....you can't trust them...and they are only legit in the liberal circle...its only you kool aid drinking libs who beleive everythign they put out.

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Xenobion:

I didn't say anything about CBS other than they work in Quinipiac a polling institute that you are apparently defending because of this flavor of the day poll. This obviously must be a forged poll since CBS works with Quinipiac in their polling review.

I'll repeat: Polling institutions are different from their media coutnerparts just like Fox News is different from Fox Entertainment (Ever see a Simpsons episode making fun of Rupert Murdoc? I have). Similarly unlike the news which can be picked apart into something liberal or conservative it is EXTREMELY hard to forge a poll (See fivethirtyeight's current crusade against Strategic Vision Polling Institute polling forgery). If you're going to forge something its obvious. So really as I said before you're just rumor-mongering about polling institutes right now and don't understand statistical science to make these claims.

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Stillow:

X - I was totally with you up until 2004. Once CBS crossed the line with forged documents...it showed how far liberal media will go to get what they want. After that, I don't trust liberal media as far as I can throw them...you can beleive if you like that liberal media is noble and honest...that forging documents is ok and doesn't affect your credibility, then ok. I will not. Liberal media works together, You can pull up on youtube liberal media each day and all the stations say hte same exact thing, all work off the same talking points.

These liberal groups are in it to make news, not report it.

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Xenobion:

You'll have to prove how media outlets somehow are able to corrupt their sister polling institutions, let alone their results. I've always contended that Fox's polling institute is really really good despite being an ultra conservative media outlet that spins news. There is no evidence there. Special interests groups like that Pro-Life one on Scozzafava earlier this month was an example of a more "corrupted" poll and the numbers showed it. As far as it is now you're just conspiracy theorizing about this.

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Stillow:

Not a conspiracy....just plain old fashioned liberal bias. Being a liberal you and your kind are blind the obvious bias from the MSM.

Differenc eof opinion I guess. Pollsters have motives too.

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Xenobion:

I understand liberal and conservative media bias. Pollsters do not exude this type of bias unless they are an agenda based institution like that Scozzafava poll that was put out. Which their party ID numbers were terrible and easily pointed out. I welcome you next time to point out some of the flawed methodology of a CBS poll and make sport of it.

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Stillow:

What makes you think the metholdology CBS claims to use is legit? Again if they arre willing forge military documents, what makes you think they would not forge polling documents? It would be very very easy to lie about party ID you used, regions you called, etc. CBS to get obama job approval could call only the northeast for all we know, but claim to call everywhere, in which case they know it would produce a more favorable result.

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Xenobion:

I don't have the burden to prove they are not legit (old debate rule). But I will defend that CBS uses normal party ID numbers that even Fox Polling uses. None of their results are unusual? Or controversial. We're talking margin of error differences between other pollsters. That is the point of this website and Fivethirtyeight.com Aggregate polling and picking out the outliers. CBS is rated pretty fair and has a 2.64 induced error vs. Fox's 2.36 (According to 538). The difference is just splitting hairs. Everyone has a slant what poll has got you riled up about CBS?

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Stillow:

I told you, ever since the cbs forged document fiasco I can't trust anything they do. Its like an episode of judge judy, once judge judy finds out someone lied to her once, then everything else they say is highly suspect at best.

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Xenobion:

I blame individuals rather than the entire thing. I find it hard that Dan Rather's 60 minutes story with Marty Mapes have absolutely ANYTHING to do with CBS Polling services since polling has nothing to do with journalism. That's a leap of logic. Bill O'Riely uses this tactic on GE in his fight with Keith Olberman rather than say his name.

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jack:

Xenobion, it is just not true what you said, that " 10 other polls show [Quinnipiac's]numbers +7.

Gallup has him at 50% today. CBS has him at 53%, which is only 5% over Quinnipiac. Washington Post has him at 56%, which is 8% over Quinnipiac, but Rasmussen and Quinnipiac are similar.

Don't exaggerate. Look at the average Pollster.com approval.

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Xenobion:

Maybe I should have said a "thousand other polls" to make my point that this poll is 1 of many and would not garner the weight of it given that even past the margins of error my +7 is closer to the other polls than Qunnipiac's numbers. Since we're splitting hairs and all.

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Xenobion:

Maybe I should have said a "thousand other polls" to make my point that this poll is 1 of many and would not garner the weight of it given that even past the margins of error my +7 is closer to the other polls than Qunnipiac's numbers. Since we're splitting hairs and all.

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polls_apart:

@Stillow:
You keep on repeating, "CBS forged the documents."
As I understand it, CBS accepted documents as authentic which turned out to be forgeries. The lack of authenticity was proven by the character spacing in those documents, which could not have been generated on a typewriter from around 1970. CBS is guilty of not examining the documents closely enough, not of forging them.
The secretary who generated the original documents said that, while the documents in CBS' possession were faked (based on the character spacing), the actual contents of the faked documents regarding G. W. Bush's Natinal Guard service were accurate.
I agree that CBS should have been more careful. If they had realized that the documents were inauthentic, they should have interviewed the secretary I mentioned above and used her as the source of the story, not the documents.

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polls_apart:

Oops, make that "National Guard service." Washington Nationals uniform spelling disease strikes again!

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Stillow:

polls_apart:

Bernie Goldberg has a real good story about how CBS knew all about them being fake documents and cited quotes and memo's from cbs execs to prove it...look him up. CBS knew exactly what they were doing....and since that point they have zero credibility in my eyes.

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