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US: Obama 48, McCain 44 (Gallup 9/28-30)

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Gallup
09/28-30,08; 2,746 RV 2%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

National
Obama 48, McCain 44

 

Comments
boomshak:

JUST AS I PREDICTED YESTERDAY:

Gallup Daily: Obama 48%, McCain 44%

Slightly closer race now than two days ago
October 1, 2008

The latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking update of registered voters finds Barack Obama at 48%, and John McCain at 44%, marking a slight narrowing of the race from the 8-point margin Obama held earlier this week.

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boomshak:

P.S., How the hell is a 4 point frop in 2 days "slightly tighter"? Does Gallup love Obama or what?

Obama moves 4 points ahead of McCain and it is "an explosion of support". He dumps 4 points in 2 days and the race is "slightly tighter".

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political_junki:

But this is the only one you were right about. How about your buddies at Rassmussen? You were wrong about them. So lets call it a tie and move on :)

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Mike_in_CA:

um, because its all within normal statistical float. this happens everyweek, boomie. By the way "Obama only dumped (whatever that means....his poll numbers are now trash in the back of a dumptruck?) 2 points, from 50-48, if we're being really technical here.

Last week they were tied! Riiiiiiiight.

PS: Gallup still uses RV. Why aren't you railing them now?

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PortlandRocks:

boomshak Rasmussen is your pollster, they show 6. LOL you are so funny man. Gallop will probably rebound as it ALWAYS does to +6 Obama by the weekend. Oh wait, you said TIE by Sunday. Wait and see! LOL

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NYClassicalLiberal:

Still looking good for Obama. The McC camp, including boom, must be a little disappointed with their performance lately. Wait until post VP debate polls show up...Obama will have an average 8-point lead. And I am sure we can expect boom to say "4% is almost within MOE". Let me teach you something, boom: 4% though in just this one poll is a very healthy lead for a national snapshot. Presidential elections are not often blowouts in the national polls as much as they are in the EV count. Regardless of the economic crisis, there will still be 45% of the country who will support a R no matter what happens. This is such a divided country now that a D cannot expect to win more than 40% in KS or OK. McC has his numbers from states that will not bend regardless of the climate. So, boom, please keep the partisan hackery to yourself. You can't beat the numbers.

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PortlandRocks:

4% is a LANDSLIDE come election day. ONCE AGAIN, Bush lead Kerry by less than 2% on average on election day and he won easily.

McCain's in DEEP DEEP trouble.

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boomshak:

@political_junki:

"But this is the only one you were right about. How about your buddies at Rassmussen? You were wrong about them. So lets call it a tie and move on :)"

Nope, wrong again. I was right about GALLUP AND HOTLINE. I missed Rasmussen by only one.

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IndependentThinker:

@boomshak
You're very good at predictions, right? so
When are you gonna predict a lead (even a slight one) to McP"al"inocchio ticket ??
Let me guess when chickens have teeth, lol !!!
I have another question for u
I am watching Michelle Obama in Colorado campaigning for her husband, could you predict when the Cindy will be doing the same?
Let me guess again, when Palin will stop lying!

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kerrchdavis:

Just a reminder everyone.

Boomshaks guide to polls:

1) If it doesn't support the candidate I support: fail.
2) If I don't like the internals: fail
3) If the weighting is different from Rasmussen: fail
4) If the weighting is the same as Rasmussen but I dont like it: fail
5) If its conducted by the MSM: fail
6) If it ISN'T conducted by the MSM but also doesn't support McCain: fail
7) If it is conducted by anything OTHER than a rightwinger: fail
8) If it IS conducted by right wingers but I don't like it: fail
9) If it shows any kind of momentum for Obama: fail
10) If there are 10 polls that go against the 1 poll I like, all 10 are outliers and thus: fail
11) All polling does not matter anyway because America is mid/right and does not elect a lefty.

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PortlandRocks:

boomshak how about MCCAIN WILL BE TIED or ahead by next week. This was two weeks ago. LOL
You just pull predictions out of your "a...".
I feel ya though man. You are feeling desperate. I know you want 8 more years of the destruction of the United States, your party is good at that.

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boomshak:

Lol, i wonder if the networks will even announce this Gallup Poll, or the ABC one?

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jamesugw:

Erm...maybe ABC will mention the ABC one?

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kerrchdavis:

If you keep pulling predictions out of your ass you'll eventually get a couple right. Getting 2 right means you've gotten 2 correct out of just about the last 87 predictions you've had.

That's pretty pathetic and don't bother arguing, everyone knows that a joke you really are.

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Ryan in MO:

boomshak always predicts ties anymore, he never puts his guy ahead

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PortlandRocks:

kerrchdavis I love you. LOL where u from? Portland here obviously. I still have yet to see ONE McCain sticker or yard sign. Literally NOT ONE. Of course, this is Portland, why I love it.

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Mike_in_CA:

boom,

you'd better watch what you say about the "networks" or they will come and sweep you up out of your sleep at night and bring you off to the "Land of Gay Black People Who Like Big Government and No War" and will force you to have an abortion!

You know, those big scary liberal networks, always out to get ya!

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KipTin:

Gallup definitely shows Obama losing his bounce from the economic "crisis." Just to the right the "Online100Results: daily poll of the blogs" states "Most notable was that no one on the panel believed that the failed bailout hurts Obama politically."

But now the failed legislation has been modified and is more acceptable to voters. The Republicans may very well get credit for that, and that may translate into more McCain support.

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Viperlord:

Wow, boom is now telling himself his predictions are always right and Obama isn't actually leading McCain? FAIL.

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kerrchdavis:

San Francisco Baby ;)

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boomshak:

@kerrchdavis:

"Just a reminder everyone."

Obama has lost 8 points in single day polling on gallup in just 3 days.

kerr, it's fun watching you panic.

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kerrchdavis:

I predict that Obama will be up anywhere from 2 to 12 points tomorrow in Gallup.

Lets see how I do.

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nick-socal:

Apparently today McCain got lost trying to get off stage after a speech. Shortly before that video shows McCain's face twitch twice and his lip rise on one side.

If he has serious health problems and those are being kept from the public that's a crime.

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sotonightthatimightsee:

ABC News/WaPo: Obama +4
Posted by TOM BEVAN | E-Mail This | Permalink | Email Author

New ABC News/Washington Post national poll conducted after the debate (Sept 27-29) shows that John McCain has picked up 5 points on Barack Obama during the last week, moving from a nine-point deficit to trailing by four:

Obama 50 (-2 vs. last poll Sept 19-22)
McCain 46 (+3)

Obama leads by 4.8% in the RCP National Average.

According to the poll, McCain has regained the lead among key swing groups: Independents favor McCain by 3 (48-45), white women by 11 (54-43), and white Catholics by one (47-46). McCain is still holding on to 20% of Democrats who voted for Hillary Clinton in the primaries, while 70% are supporting Obama.

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PortlandRocks:

Kiptin and Boomshak - Silver living.. checkin' the google by the minute for ANTHING good. Grasping, pathetic, desperate. So sad guys.

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kerrchdavis:

@boom

panic? roflmao! This is the best I've felt all year. Obama's lead has stabilized from 4-8 points which would be a landslide victory. On top of that, the state polls show Obama surging ahead.

In the meantime, McCain is campaigning in Iowa!

ROFLMAO! WHat a joke. His internals are almost as bad as yours boomshank!

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Ryan in MO:

@Portland

Got one for you, I've yet to see any McCain stickers or yardsign here in Branson MO, Obama all over. As Ned Flanders said "Branson is the Christian Las Vegas" So, still I'm wondering who is getting polled in MO...

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boomshak:

Weren't you Obozonauts predicting a 10+ point lead for Obama by now?

ROFLMAO!

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Trosen:

Portland, you make an interesting point. I'm in South FL where you'd expect a good ratio of Obama to McCain signs/stickers. But really it's about 2 to 1 Obama. Now does that mean Obama is gonna win FL 2 to 1? Of course not. In actuality I think FL will still go red. But I think there certainly is an enthusiam gap that's widening. I think you'll get a hell of a lot more McCain voters who are either scared to vote for Obama or will just vote party line no matter what. Obama needs to carry that enthusiams to getting as many of these newly registered and lapsed voters to the polls as possible, which is a demographic where Obama is crushing McCain.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/01/1473845.aspx

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AmericaWins:

Boommshak is right,

This is bad news for Hussein Obama his lead is shrinking already. Once the economy drops out of question and the real questions come into play then Obama is gone. Deal with it Liberal cowards!!!

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kerrchdavis:

@America

lol, keep drinking the koolaid buddy. It numbs the pain.

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PortlandRocks:

kerrchdavis I love your values there in San Francisco. Respect, equality for all.:)

sotonightthatimightsee thanks for posting the ABC realese. All of this talk about the media being so slighted for DEMS. Did they mention in this release that the weighting for this poll dropped by 11% from the one the week before? 4% Obama lead with a 7% dem weighting is a great result. Consistent. Every poll is confirming a consistent, healthy lead.

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boomshak:

@kerrchdavis:

I am wondering what you would be saying RIGHT NOW, if it was McCain who had just gone from an 8 point to a 4 point lead in 3 days?

"McCain is collapsing! The surge is over! It's all Obama!"

Lol, is being a hypocrite genetic or a learned behavior for you?

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nick-socal:

"Once the economy drops out of question and the real questions come into play then Obama is gone."

Huh? The economy is not going to drop out of question. Are you for real? It's not like when the Senate votes today and the House on Friday and IF they pass it, then suddenly people are going to be back to work, housing will have rebounded, wages will have skyrocketed, and debt will have decreased.

You Republicans are so friggin delusional I'm sorry to have supported them from 1992-2004. What a waste of my time.

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boomshak:

It's simple:

ECONOMY DOWN, OBAMA UP.
ECONOMY UP, OBAMA DOWN.

And what will happen when Israel bombs Iran?

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nick-socal:

@boomshak you're just as delusional and AmericaWins. When, for godssake has the economy been up during this campaign season?

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RussTC3:

***copied from the other thread***

The MoE for Gallup is 2 points. The results could just as easily be 50/42 Obama, or even a 46/46 tie.

That's why it's important to average ALL the polls.

So, for instance, let's look at the results from 8/24 (the day before the Democratic convention) on a weekly basis (focusing just on the national trackers).

8/24-30
Obama 49.1
McCain 44.8
Obama +4.3

8/31-9/6
Obama 47.4
McCain 47.4
Tie

9/7-13
Obama 47.0
McCain 45.7
Obama +1.3

9/14-20
Obama 49.4
McCain 44.1
Obama +5.3

9/21-27
Obama 49.1
McCain 43.4
Obama +5.7

9/28-10/1 (end of week will be 10/4)
Waiting for the Pollster.com charts to update with Gallup's poll from today, but the trend remains. Obama has been ahead comfortably every since after the Republican convention.

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boomshak:

@nick-socal:

Let's be honest. Doesn't Obama's collapse on Gallup trouble you in the least?

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Mike_in_CA:

boom,

"Obama has lost 8 points in single day polling on gallup in just 3 days."

You have absolutely no way to know that. And I posted a very reasonable reason why above, which was completely ignored-- something that seems to happen on this website. All reasonable posts are just swept to the trash heap, while only inflammatory posts are commented on.

what do you people do all day?? Bicker back and forth on pollster.com? I guess so.

@AmericanWins:

What exactly are the "real questions"? Seems to me every poll indicates the economy is the "real question". Hm, weird. Better watch yourself of the Gay Black Commie Liberal cowards are going to eat you!

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

If all the polls showed Obama dropping 4 points I'd be concerned. Maybe you should stop picking and choosing polls and look at the bigger picture.

Not that anything you say at this point could possibly bring your credibility back.

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Ryan in MO:

@America

you nailed it buddy. boom IS always right. and you're good for a laugh too.

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PortlandRocks:

AmericaWins oh great! A racist in the room.
Hussein? Ok everyone..from now on it's not John McCain it's JOHN SYDNEY MCCAIN. Got it? John Sydney McCain is down in EVERY SINGLE national poll. John SYDNEY McCain is losing every single battleground now. The desperation is there.

Thanks for reminding me of Barack's middle name though. I love that middle name.

Do you even know what it means? I do.

HUSSEIN (hu- SAYN)

Meaning: "Good Boy, Good Looking Boy"

Origin: Arabic

Both African and Arabic usage and has several variations in spelling.

I know education scares you AmericaWins but cmon' man. Go back to your trailer.

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RussTC3:

Ugh I forget to correct my spelling mistake. 'ever', not 'every'.

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AmericaWins:

@boomshak
Sing it brother!!!

@liberals
Your dropping in the polls at a time when you should be winning massively. Where winning this election and you have no idea!!! what are you going to whinge about when we win

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Viperlord:

He still isn't explaining why it's going to magically disappear as a issue. I'm sure the Republicans,who have certainly proved themselves economically incompetent, would love it to, but it won't, and Obama owns McCain on most other issues as well. And Israel bombing Iran, LOL.

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nick-socal:

Are you actually hoping for Israel to bomb Iran? Seriously? You're a sick individual. How do you think that benefits anyone? I mean that's how you want to get your guy elected? And then what? So we've got full out war in the Middle East, a declining economy, etc etc and you win? We as a country win? Is this about your own selfish wants or is it about America? I can't see any possible good outcome of Israel bombing Iran. You're sick.

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kerrchdavis:

@America

btw, just fyi, the economy issue is not gonna go away anytime this year.

@boom

And you want to talk about hypocrisy. You spent 2 weeks bitching and whining about what a joke gallup is and how you can't trust any poll that doesn't show it's internals. You spent 2 weeks sucking on Rasmussen and talking about how they're the class of the polls and their internals are spot on.

And now you are going to desperately cling to Gallup. WHo is the hypocrite you pathetic low life?

If I were you, I'd forget the polls and start trying to figure out why McCain is dicking around in Iowa. I hear his next campaign stop is Hawaii.

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miatch:
AmericaWins:

Boommshak is right,

This is bad news for Hussein Obama his lead is shrinking already. Once the economy drops out of question and the real questions come into play then Obama is gone. Deal with it Liberal cowards!!!

You really are afraid of a guy with a middle name of Hussein, huh? The economy will be issue number one for years to come. Who is the coward, the one who fears progress or the one who embraces it?

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boomshak:

@nick-socal:

"Are you actually hoping for Israel to bomb Iran?"

I give it better than a 50/50 chance. Whether it's a good thing or not, I dunno. Is Iran having nukes a good thing? No one else has the balls to do anything about it.

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Viperlord:

Just ignore the racist bigots in the room, they'll run out of steam and run away to cry about evil blacks and gays eventually.

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sotonightthatimightsee:

I love how these pollsters don't take into consideration that a major voting bloc usually gets overlooked. Small town folks are rarely polled. These pollsters tend to hit the big cities and urban areas that lean toward Obama.

I wonder what the pundits will say when they call PA, OH, VA, NC, WI, NH and NV for McCain.

Will the say "damn those bitter, catholic, pro hillary , small town white people"?

Stay tuned!

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Mike_in_CA:

and let's stop referring to this as Obama's "collapse". We have 5 tracking polls, and they don't show a "collapse". Let's refer to it what it really is: NOISE. Most likely random White Noise (WN).

Why, if I had to describe "collapse" I would describe McCain's poll numbers from September 14 to now. Talk about collapse. EPIC collapse.

WHy do I bother trying to inject reason? Nobody wants to hear ACTUAL statistical facts. They just want to yell at eachother. Disgusting.

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nick-socal:

@boomshak you didn't answer my question: When has the economy been up once during this campaign season?

But for me, no I'm not worried about Obama's Gallup numbers. Why? Because he hasn't collapsed in them. What a stupid word to use for losing two points in a poll.

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Viperlord:

Wow, a swarm of ignoramuses today. Have fun disemboweling them like always guys, I'll be back later.

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boomshak:

@kerrchdavis:

What amamzes me si that Obama is collapsing on Gallup DESPITE his crap weightings.

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PortlandRocks:

AmericanWins the reason I can sit and smile at people like you is that you are a dying bread in this country. Call it what you want, but racial scare tactics aren't working. Call Obama by his middle name all you want, we know your tactic. It's failed. As have you as a human being. John SYDNEY McCain will lose this election in a landslide.

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IndependentThinker:

@boomshak:

Weren't you Obozonauts predicting a 10+ point lead for Obama by now?

ROFLMAO! "

I am still awaiting your predictions on when exactly McP"al"inocchio will take the lead in polls and when Cindy will start campaigning for her beloved husband ...
Don't backtrack, go ahead
To those Republicans who state that the economy will be so well in the next couple of forthcoming days that the subject will be changed I think you're running out time ...

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nick-socal:

@Mike_in_CA I very much want to hear reason, statistics, and facts. Thank you for sharing them.

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Andy:

Mccain's 13 bedroom, 14 bath mansion on sale.

Just take a look at the video on CNN. Politics aside, its amazing. The house has 22 flat screen TVs, 7 car garage with all luxury cars. Good look inside how rolay a lifestyle Mccain has had.

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/30/dnt.mccain.house.for.sale.ktvx

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macsuk:

boomcrap

Go to RCP, click on recent polls, look at todays polls and then have a nice day. No one thought Obama was going to continue to poll in the Gallup like he did after McFool made an a#s out of himself for 3 days. My prediction is you will now see a slow increase in the Gallup for Obama where he will settle in at about plus 6 or 7.

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AmericaWins:

lol you liberals are getting all worked up because your boy is dropping off. Im guessing he actually polled negative to get the kind of result he got in your gallup poll.

@PortlandRocks

Oh and here we go, anyone who disagrees is a racist!!! Thats typical of your type, it couldnt be because middle America is out of touch with HUSSEIN Obama.

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PortlandRocks:

boomshak could you let me know the percentage of people in this country are Dem vs Republican? I'll wait. Pew shows 9%. So polls showing 10% aren't all that off. Hell, Rasmussen is CONSERVATIVE using 6 or so %.
Keep on grasping. You sounds so desperate. It's cute.

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BOOMFAIL:

The almighty me predicts Obama's lead will grow to at least 7 points by this weekend on Gallup. If that happens, will you go away boombatty?

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RussTC3:

News Flash:
If the election were held today and Gallup was correct with their 4pt Obama lead over McCain, Obama would win the election by nearly 5 million votes (based on 2004 voters--likely will be much higher).

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kerrchdavis:

@America

I don't think you're racist, just really really stupid.

Is that more fair?

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PortlandRocks:

sotonightthatimightsee could you show me PROOF, maybe a STATISTIC or mathmatical fact that the polls DONT POLL SMALL TOWN AMERICA? I'll wait for it.

None of you idiots EVER reply with FACT.

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miatch:

AmericaWins, why do you fear the name Hussein?

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boskop:

@boom

what about that stat something like registering 1000/day in north carolina for obama? or was it florida or was it virginia.

please find out. i lost the reference.

how do you do hat without a genetic manipulation of jive turkey?

i mean, come on, there's that many college students? NO.

There's that many blacks who never registered? NO>

some fishy going on there...ACORNism?
ot just the enormous jive turkey family all coming of age at 1000 per day.

my my, some big mama gotta have a big pain in her side from birthing so many turkey kids!

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AmericaWins:

@macsuck
Yup here we go, Im a racist because i belive in AMERICAN values not Kenyan values. You latte sippers have no idea, this is an american country. When you lose the election dont go whinging to me.

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JCK:

Funny to think that Boom was complaining just last week that Gallup swings too wildly, whereas Ras is rocky steady...

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PortlandRocks:

Guys..I guess we have to give them a break. Not only is their party literally disappearing, their idealogy is too. 8 years of complete, utter disaster. I man WHAT can they run on but calling a candidate by his middle name to create fear among Americans. Barack's middle name is very common in Africa. People like this are the reason the US is not progressing. People like this are why red states only make up 25% of the US GDP. If they'd educate maybe they could help grow this country and move it forward.

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kerrchdavis:

@JCK

exactly! He's a hypocritical scumbag.

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Mike_in_CA:

kerrch,

actually, I think he is racist. But you are titled to your own opinion ;)

@AmericaWins:

Thank you for capitalizing HUSSEIN in your last post. I hadn't noticed it before. My guess is that you did it so that people will notice it. Here, I will help you out:

HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN HUSSEIN

There? Feel Better.

By the way:

"HUSSEIN (hu- SAYN)
Meaning: "Good Boy, Good Looking Boy"
Origin: Arabic"

Gosh, I think that's pretty accurate. Obama IS pretty good lookin aint he?


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miatch:

@AmericaWins

If Obama has Kenyan values, that would mean McCain has Panamanian values, no?

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nick-socal:

What did lattes ever do to you to deserve such a disparaging? And you're not real, just another dumb troll. We have no idea this is an American country? Is there more than one? And this one has now fallen out of that column? Sounds like you're the one who has no clue. But I digress because in reality you're fake and just trying to get us to respond to you. So this will be my last response to you.

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PortlandRocks:

AmericaWins better get used to it because you will be a MINORITY in less than 30 years. Learn to live with it, or maybe you should move?

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PortlandRocks:

AmericaWins what does Jesus say about racism or dropping bombs on innocent women and children? 'Yall seem to have Jesus' direct phone #. Call and ask him, then get back to me. I'm real curious! YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAA!

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Ryan in MO:

@everyone

The vast majority of 70+ million Iranians have no issues with the US, or Israel for that matter. The government that is in power is there because of Britian and the US installing the shah years ago. The Iranians consider themselves Persian, a romantic and peaceful people with their own religion, Zoroastrianism that believes in peace and goodwill. The Persians were the most democratic people of the times. The shah, tried to westernize the people faster than they comfortable with. This allowed for the revolution which went far beyond what most Iranians were expecting.

Once you move beyond the regime in Tehran, the Iranian people are potentially one if the US AND Israel's biggest ally's in the region. Bombing Iran does no one any good, and the regime is too spread out and extensive for anyone to try to succesfully take them out. Only the Iranian people can do this.

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slinky:

Pennsylvania has turned light blue based on Pollster's regression. A good sign.

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miatch:

I'm gonna go get me a Latte. Right here in the U.S. of A.

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DaveAustralia:

@AmericaWins

I think you name is ironic because I think America wins if Obama wins. Im not American and I think hes the best candidate. You are the leader of the free world after all.

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zhimbo:

GEORGE Bush shares the name of King GEORGE III, who waged war on the colonies and killed many Americans.

That's scary!

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PortlandRocks:

Ryan in MO thanks for being BRILLIANT. If middle America would educate they would see the Iranians as a peaceful people. JUST like Iraq..there is literally ZERO proof that Iran is trying to produce a nuclear weapan. They need power. They are a desert country. They don't have the luxary of dams or coal.

I am always amazed at the #'s when you looks at Educated vs. non - ed. voters and how they vote. To me - ENOUGH SAID.

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IndependentThinker:

@AmericaWins

For the stake of this country let the Hussein comment go now. It's DEJA VU, it's already been used but seemingly people are willing to pick a candidate who is most likely to improve their pocketbook regardless his middle name.
If I were you I would already start knocking at doors for McPain in Ohio and elsewhere

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RussTC3:

Boomshak said:
What amamzes me si that Obama is collapsing on Gallup DESPITE his crap weightings.

For the 1 millionth time: GALLUP DOES NOT WEIGHT BY PARTY.

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PortlandRocks:

DaveAustralia you must be amazed by some of these posts. I'm sure you can see now how we RE-ELECTED GEORGE BUSH. The educated in this country are up against a zealous, right wing bunch who never use reason to make arguments, just fear. But ya know what, we are fighting, fighting hard. And this time, we WILL win.

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slinky:
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couseydee:

When was the last national poll where McCain was ahead?

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PortlandRocks:

AmericaWins this must scare you to death. If obama wins, talk about GLASS CIELINGS, the door will be WIDE open for a Chinese president, a hispanic president, a female chinese/japanese Iranian president. LOL
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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boskop:

@ryan

so true.

but the afghanis are of the same ilk as well.

btw: khomeini flooded iran with pamphlets from paris about his openhanded democratic plans and once there he totally reversed, invented the guard and then hizbollah.

there is far more to gain by befriending the underground and the people who are remarkable in their efforts for seeking freedom and expression in their internal blogosphere.

my problem is obama who is ready to move in on pak and af. he is fighting the personal vendetta of self righteousness "i said this in 2002" to such manic and obsessive extent that he will aim to prove what the 'better or more legitimate war was/is' and thereby smash through the boundaries of these new democracies.

this is MY PROBLEM WITH THE NUTCH!

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boomshak:

Face it guys.

It all comes down to Palin tomorrow. If she rocks, Obama is in big trouble. If she flops, McCain is done.

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MC will never drag up dirt on BO. All O has to say is, Keating 5". I think MC and Leiberman plan to get Israel to attack Iran and then get the US in it. MC is way to close to the military. The executive branch should be civilian. However, I do see C. Powell in BO's cabinet. I think C Powell needs to chg his legacy.

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PortlandRocks:

boomshak LOL. Could you give me a specific example in history EVER where a VP debate determined the fate of either candidate? JUST ONE. Waiting... Snrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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serpounce:

The fact that 1) nothing has been going on this week that would seem likely to move people towards McCain, and 2) there really hasn't been similar movement in other polls.

Gallup has been a volatile poll this whole election. The average seems to be about a +5-6 O; at +8 O a few days ago Gallup was on the upper edge, and now at +4 it it's at the lower edge.

If this random noise it might be bad luck for McCain, as it will make it more likely that there will appear to be a jump after the VP debate.

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nick-socal:

@slinky, that Halcro piece is lame. He's talking about debating in little Alaska where folksy stories might matter. The national stage is much different and Ifel's questions won't be that philosophical or soft. And also, he never says that her tactic would win votes. He never even offers evidence that her tactic won those debates. Is he suggesting that because she won the Governorship then by default she won the debates. I just think that article you linked is pretty bunk.

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Pazienza:

There are 40 days to go until the election. The Gallup Daily Tracking Poll shows: Obama 48% McCain 44%.

In 2000, 34 days before the election (from hard copy files - unable to find an internet link) The Gallup Daily Tracking Poll showed: Gore 51% Bush 40%.

Bottom line: there is a long way to go before this election is over.

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Ryan in MO:

@DaveAustralia

Just curious as to what city & state/terr you are from down there in Oz. And what brought you to Texas USA of all places?

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IndependentThinker:

@boomshak:

"Face it guys.

It all comes down to Palin tomorrow. If she rocks, Obama is in big trouble. If she flops, McCain is done."

Guys, I apologize, I was dead WRONG about boomshak, OMG this is the first time this guy admits that Palin is a liability and if she sucks at the tomorrow debate that might be the beginning of the end for McCain
LMAO !!! that's gonna be funny!
I have a question for u
Given the fact that policy-wise she sucks and misinformed what's the likelihood she rocks tomorrow?

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PortlandRocks:

AmericaWins awww you're really sounding intelligent now. Guess what AmericaWins? My candidate is an outspoken Christian. He doesn't mind stating the fact. And your candidate? Oh that's right. DUMPED his wife after a car accident. He's the REAL Christian. Buddy you can't see past your filthy, pathetic hate of Obama because he's black. Jesus. (no pun intended.)

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zhimbo:

AmericanWins: Did a Latte kill your father or something?

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PortlandRocks:

Americawins. I believe in God. But could you show me evidence that he DOES EXIST? waiting....

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Schill:

One thing I have seen Gallup poll and Rasmussen poll always go the oposite directions in polling, their equlibrium always hit 3% percentage poin differences up or down. maybe this is it. But the states' poll are not looking good for McCain no matter what people say.

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DaveAustralia:

@AmericaWins

You know, I study political science at a university in TX and I love America and I love the west and all it has to offer. I have campaigned for Obama in TX amongst the most die hard conservatives you have ever met and I have genuinely convinced many that Obama is the right candidate, they just need to be told it in a non partisan and friendly way (no thanks to my aussie charm haha!) your party is out of touch not just with America but with the entire world. I think you should reconsider who your voting with.

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1magine:

OMG !!!! NO - IT CAN'T BE. SENATOR OBAMA LEADS SYDNEY BY ONLY 4 POINTS IN ONE POLL TODAY. HOW WILL I GO ON? WHAT WILL I DO? NO - I DON'T CARE THAT HE'S WINNING IN VA, OH, FL, CO, NH, AND PA. HE'S ONLY UP BY 4 IN THE GALLUP POLL - I JUST WANT TO DIE. what? All other national polls have him 4-6% as well. What? 4% points translates to a 99% probability of electoral vote win, 75% chance of 315 EV and is how many million voters? You don't say? Say this doesn't mean that Sydney and Malibu Barbie win? Oh - ok - nevermind.

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PortlandRocks:

A gay, black, latte killed my father.

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serpounce:

I doubt the VP debate is going to mean anything , Palin will do fine, Biden will do a little better, but the spin will help Palin because the expectations are so low for her, and she has some huge fans that will sing her praises regardless.

Even if Palin does very well, I doubt it will help McCain all that much, she's still the VP no matter how much people might like (or dislike) her.

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Mike_in_CA:

@Panz:

Gallup's 2000 tracking poll has long been derided. It was the most ridiculous, volatile poll ever. Here's an excerpt from an article by Alan Abramowitz (contributor to this site!)

"On October 24 Gallup had Gore ahead of Bush by one point. Three days later, on October 27, they had Bush ahead by 13.

In their final pre-election poll Gallup gave Bush a 2 point lead--not too bad since Gore won the popular vote by less than a point. But two days earlier, Gallup had Bush ahead by 5."

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PortlandRocks:

Americawins is really getting angry. Thoughtful educated debate really get's em!
BTW - You'll be gone from this site within 48 hours.

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Xenobion:

I can't apparently vote for Obama or McCain. Obama is Kenyan and McCain is Panamanian. :( lol

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nick-socal:

What are you suggesting here? That latte drinkers are somehow elitist snobs? And therefore being elite is unAmerican? America is elite, despite Bush's attempts and making it not so.

Or are you saying that latte drinkers aren't good old black coffee drinkers? And therefore less of an American? Interesting. I'd venture to say that there's plenty of Red state good old American Republicans loading up on Double Shot Mocha Frappuccino's with extra whipped cream, chocolate chips and caramel sauce. You know, good old black coffee.

You might be funny on Saturday Night Live if you weren't spewing such empty rhetoric and wasted hate.

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NorseSoccer:

@boomshak

I think there is more of a downside for the VP debate for Pail than you think.

As most people agree, most people are voting for the top of the ticket (Obama versus John).

However, if Palin does as poorly in the debate as she did in her interview with Couric, this could turn off undecideds.

If she proves herself to be competent (as I actually believe she is), I don't expect this will lead to a large McCain upswing.

Agree or disagree?

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PortlandRocks:

I disagree. I think Palin's lack of pure vocabulary over a long debate will SINK her.

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DaveAustralia:

@ryan in MO

I am on exchange at the university of Texas studying political science. I am from Sydney Australia. I have to say though that I love Texas!!! I think its the greatest state in the U.S(I have been to 11 states now) and my dream is that it turns blue this year, hence why I have been campaigning for Obama over here.

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IndependentThinker:

@Pazienza:

Good point but doesn't take into account those following key parameters

1- Back in 2000, the incumbent president was a democrat
3- 80% of the population doesn't say that the country was on wrong track
4- Over 50% of voters didn't say that the economy was their issue number one
5- The country was prosperous so people did tend to vote on other issues
6- Wall street didn't collapse
7- Not mention foreclosures, unemployment, gas prices, one unpopular war and so on ...

Those issues will undoubtedly be in people mind when going to the vote booth in one month

McCain is undeniably running out of time ...

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boomshak:

You know that the moonbats are getting nervous when they start playing the race card.

Take a valium moonbats. We'll know the answer tomorrow night. If Palin bombs, you guys are in the clear. If Palin was as impressive as she was at the Convention? Hold onto ur hats.

P.S., I hope she wears a dark suit with her hair up, I think she looks the best like that.

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AmericaWins:

@daveaustralia
you are fkn dreaming if you think TX could possibly go blue this year..

BHO is going to lose this election because the liberals in this country have completely forgotten AMERICAN values. That is what McCain stands for and that is what you dont understand. Im not racist because I support McCain im just American and thats the most important thing at the end of the day.

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PortlandRocks:

AmericaWins don't you mean WHITE American values?

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nick-socal:

No she won't wear her hair up. She'll wear it down so that it conceals the ear piece she has implanted feeding her the answers to the questions.

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PortlandRocks:

LOL Palin? FAIL.

Did anyone read the article, link posted on this site stating PALIN media strategy to change? So the new strategy is to have her interview on right wing shows, interviewing with the base. God they JUST DON'T GET IT. LOL

Independents don't listed to right wing pundits.

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1magine:

Zhimbo - you just brought that scene from the Princess Bride to my mind and gave me the second biggest laugh I had this week. Thanks.

As we have learned from studying homophobes and racists for many years. They are motivated by internal fear and unresolved conflict. Truth is he walked in and saw a tall, thin, educated, cosmopolitan, black man butt-f-in his mama and has been p'od ever since. Or is it you really just fantasize about black men? I'm sure its some combination of the 2. Either way, clearly he's in that 30% that says - "Oh yeah, George Bush - Doin a helluva job."

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macsuk:

America Wins

How does McCain support American values more then Obama? Please enlighten me...That means, hoow due u no?

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kerrchdavis:

@America

No, you are racist because you say things like this:

"do you really think that Americans want someone with a MUSLIM middle name?"

Whats your idea of American values? Because I don't think you can find slaves on ebay.

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PortlandRocks:

AmericaWins why do you chose to vote for the candidate not born in AMERICA? How unamerican can you be man. I am voting for Obama. He was born in an American state! YEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

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IndependentThinker:

@Pazienza:

I didn't even mention that back to 2000, one month before the election if I recall no average polls had shown +5 for Al Gore
FYI: as of today :
RCP Average polls +5 Obama
pollster Average polls >5 Obama
CNN Average polls +6 Obama

There's also the electoral map prediction, it didn't look like what it does now
I still agree it's not over yet until it's over and I believe it's over on Nov 5th not before

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macsuk:

I guess Intrade did not get Boomshaks memo that Obama is in trouble. He is running in front by about 32%.

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serpounce:

I wouldn't be so sure about Palin bombing the debate as some of you. It's not going to be very hard to beat the extremely low expectations that are being set for her. If the standard is, "do better than the interview with Couric," then your average college student could exceed it with a week of training from top teachers.

Palin will likely to just fine, and it's going to be really hard for Biden to hammer her without looking like an ass. I doubt it will be a big win for Palin, but neither will it be Couric-interview style meltdown.

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kerrchdavis:

Wait, Palin HAD a media strategy? I thought they were just keeping her in a cave coz shes dumb as a post.

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MNLatteLiberal:

@AmericaWins

AmericaWins:

"@macsuck
Yup here we go, Im a racist because i belive in AMERICAN values not Kenyan values. You latte sippers have no idea, this is an american country. When you lose the election dont go whinging to me."

You know, as somewhat of a latte sipper, I am offended, and I am not easy to offend. We latte sippers capitalize America. Or, sometimes we write it in all caps thus: AMERICA. Because we believe COUNTRY FIRST! American, get it? American! Not with a small letter, you America-demeaning troll!

Have a nice day.

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Pazienza:

Independent Thinker:

Good points. On the other hand, there may be some factors in McCain's favor: experience, a quieting of the financial crisis after a bill is passed, reluctance to give one party control of the executive and legislative branches again. (By the way I have not seen one poll asking voters what they think about one party control of the presidency and legislature.)
If you believe the numbers, Bush had to make up 11 points whereas McCain only has to make up 4 points.

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AmericaWins:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama has a Muslim father I dont think thats a ridiculous statement to make and I think its something that every AMERICAN should think about before voting for him.

McCain may not have been born in America but doesnt that represent what america is about? Diversity!!!

By the way you liberals can complain about me and i know that is your socialist agenda (shutting down anyone who think other than you) but it only proves my point.

McCain represents AMERICAN values and the man is an AMERICAN hero I think hes the kind of person we should all want leading this great country of ours!!! dont you ?

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jamesugw:

Tomorrow Gallup will be up to +5 and Boom will have to come up with another theory....

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sherman:

Ohh, I'm soooo nervous that Obama dropped from 50% to 48% in the Gallup national poll! O Lord! The sky is falling! LOL! Yeah, boom, whatever you say. :)

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sherman:

Thank God we have Obama showing the world that Americans aren't as stupid and ignorant as we sometimes seem. Simply electing him will, I believe, encourage some admiration from the Islamic countries that currently hate us. If Obama becomes president, it will show all the world that yes, occasionally, we really do practice what we preach.

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kerrchdavis:

@America

WHY should ever American think about Baracks muslim father before voting for him?? See, you're missing the point. To CONSIDER someones race or racial history as a reason to NOT vote for that person makes you a RACIST!

And then, 2 lines later you start talking about diversity, thereby contradicting yourself. Baracks history is as diverse as it gets and you know what? It IS a beautiful thing.

You are a dying breed America. See, we DO represent American values. Unfortunately for you, American values have changed and have left your stone age ass behind.

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PortlandRocks:

From a chat today on WashingtonPost.com today with our pollster.com man and Nate:

Marion, Ind.: Is there any history of the vice presidential debates moving the polls?

Charles Franklin: No. Though post-debate polls have sometimes found clear winners and losers in the VP debates, there isn't much evidence that the national polls at least move much.

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nick-socal:

The national polls didn't really move after the Presidential debate so why would they for the VP debate? The national polls moved because America see McCain as blustering, out of touch, and indecisive.

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PortlandRocks:

This is FOR BOOMIDIOT from the Wa Post chat today with Nate and pollster.com

New York: Normally when closing into an election, party loyality numbers increase. Do you think this is a matter of people changing who they are supporting, or rather changing what party they describe themselves as belonging to?

Charles Franklin: All the research says people's self-identification as a partisan is more durable than their vote choice, so it should mostly be partisans coming home rather than converting. But since 2004 we've seen a slow but steady shift away from the Republican party, dropping from the low 30s to the mid 20s nationally and in a number of states. The key question is whether those former Republicans will vote like independents or be drawn back to their old party in the voting booth. That kind of instability of partisanship is possible I think for recent Republicans now saying they are independent.

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DaveAustralia:

@americawins

You kind of sicken me actually. I think America is better than you describe it and if I cant believe that then my belief system crumbles. Im sory but I think you may be disapointed by how America votes on nov 4th.

P.s and im sorry to get personal here but when was the last time you got any?

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nick-socal:

Now something all of us stat nerds can rally behind: Postseason 2008 starts in t-minus 10 minutes :)

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Justin:

An angry confused McCain on Palin's experience (Scroll down to John McCain - Sarah Palin's Experience)

I love the Reagan reference. He's comparing being the governor of California for eight years to being the governor of Alaska for a year and a half.

He then goes on to reference Bill Clinton. Who was the governor of a "small state." Sorry, Johny, the population if Arkanas is four times that of Alaska. Oh yeah, and Clinton served as governor for ten years.

I believe he made the same references in the debate. I really wish someone had called him out on these facts in that interview. He may have thrown a punch.

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boomshak:

My guess is there will be some nervous moonbats watching the VP debate Thursday night.

I am sure that CNN and MSNBC have already found their...ahem.."independent" voters to give their...ahem..."unbiased" opinios that Sarah Palin isn't ready to be "a heartbeat away".

I am also ready for "flash polls" giving Biden a BIG WIN despite the evidence before us.

But as we can see from CNN's poll today, even though Obama won by 14 large in their debate poll, he got nothing in the national poll.

P.S., Whatcha bet CNN learns their lesson and doesn't release their sample weightings this time?

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IndependentThinker:

@Pazienza:

"If you believe the numbers, Bush had to make up 11 points whereas McCain only has to make up 4 points"

It would have made more sense if you had based your analysis on multiple polls and not on a single one. Polls are like women** they are not steady at all and sometimes (Not women) they can be misleading or an outlier but when all polls are convergent that means something and this is what's happening

** No offense to women and don't call me SEXIST based on that comment cause I could be a woman who likes teasing my own gender.

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nick-socal:

"But as we can see from CNN's poll today, even though Obama won by 14 large in their debate poll, he got nothing in the national poll."

So by that logic boomshak, when your girlfriend hits it out of the park against the low-life blue collar Catholic from a working-class state then we can expect no bounce for the Auld Sod.

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boomshak:

@PortlandRocks:

"This is FOR BOOMIDIOT from the Wa Post chat today with Nate and pollster.com"

Dude, do you ENJOY looking foolish? I can't think of any other reason for your posts.

Anyway, let me explain it all for you.

1. Nate and pollster.com are both hyper-democrat partisans. No one would disagree with that. So take whatever they say with the same grain of salt you would take commentary from Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

2. Rasmussen conducts over 20,000 phone interviews every 6 weeks and as a result determines his weightings. The are currently 39% dem, 33.4% rep. That's a 5.6% dem edge. However, many Democrats also consider themselves to be "conservatives" so it is a bit misleading.

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falcon79:

@AMERICAWINS:
you are a RACIST.
WE should all REPORT THIS GUY for abuse, namely, for swearing abuse at other commenters, and for making racially prejudiced remarks.

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Ryan in MO:

I think Texas could flip more easily than at least a dozen other states.

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boomshak:

@nick-socal:

Two words:

1. White
2. Women

The initial mega-surge (15 points on Gallup) when McCain added Palin was due primarily to white women (and PUMAS) excited about Palin.

She has clearly lost some a lot of that with some drifting back to her this week (as seen in the ABC Poll).

If she kills it in the debate, look for white women to flock back to her once again. Especially if it looks at all like Biden is being sexist.

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Ryan in MO:

@boom.... hey hyper-partisan. did you make that up yourself? Or did you swipe it off some house douche who didn't like Nancy Pelosi stating fact??

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macsuk:

What CNN Poll?

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boomshak:

THE DEMOCRATS #1 BIGGEST RISK IN THE VP DEBATE:

That's easy. That Biden will blather on and accidentally make some extremely SEXIST comment.

Impossible you say? He'll be careful you say? lol, he has been "careful" for a month now and he is good for a whopper per day.

Obama DOES NOT want white women flcoking to Palin's defense.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

"Dude, do you ENJOY looking foolish? I can't think of any other reason for your posts."

Actually, he knows what hes talking about. The only one that looks foolish on a daily basis is you, you hypocritical thug.

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nick-socal:

@boomshak, so the rule applies to Palin but not Obama? You said yourself that despite Obama winning the debate it did nothing for him. But now it will for Palin? I agree that a good performance by her would make those already voting for the McCain/Palin ticket feel more comfortable but I don't see the logic that it would swing voters back to McCain.

Sorry to be harsh bro but sometimes you're a lame brain. I know it's rough when your guy is down on the ropes but you're starting to sound really silly.

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Justin:

Boomshak, you're not accounting for Palin's positions. A lot of white women may have flocked to her when she was announced, but since then they have learned her stances on choice, humans riding dinosaurs, taking polar bears off of the endangered species list, and gunning down wolves from planes to name a few. They have learned of scandals, lies, and manipulation. The debate can't change these things. Sure, some of it is her overwhelming incompetence, and sure, she may look better in the debate than she has in interviews, but to think there is any chance for her numbers to go back to where they were when she was chosen is a gross miscalculation.

In other words, you are wrong as usual.

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1magine:

No debate Thursday - Palin is pulling out. She's afraid of Gwen Ifil. several weeks before agreeing to Ifil she released fact that she has a book coming out about how modern black politicians have viewed the current race. Apparently the JM campaign never got the note, and now feel that one of the most trusted moderators is too biased to question Palin.

Man - you guys are a joke.

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Connor:

@boomshat-in-his-hand-and-threw-it-at-the-gleeful-chimpanzee

If Obama wins, can we get you up on a conference call?

Please?

Pretty please?

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macsuk:

I repeat what CNN Poll that came out today..

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boomshak:

@macsuck:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/30/cnn-poll-of-polls-debate-changed-nothing/

CNN POLL OF POLLS: Debate 'changed nothing'

"(CNN) – Nearly 60 million Americans tuned in to the first presidential debate between Barack Obama and John McCain last Friday, but national polls released this week suggest the square-off did little to change the dynamics of the race.

The new polls are bad news for McCain, who with only five weeks until Election Day is quickly running out of opportunities to shake up the race for the White House.

In a new CNN poll of polls consisting of surveys conducted entirely after the first presidential debate, Obama holds a 5-point lead over McCain, 48-43 percent. That's exactly where the race stood immediately before the two candidates kicked off the presidential debate season in Oxford, Mississippi, four days ago.

“The ruling on last Friday’s presidential debate is in, and it’s a split decision,” said CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib. “The debate changed nothing. Obama’s supporters aren’t shifting to McCain, McCain’s supporters aren’t shifting to Obama, and undecided voters are still undecided.

But the poll numbers come even as surveys conducted by several media organizations immediately after the debate showed most viewers thought Obama had won. However the polls also showed the debate viewers appeared to be more Democratic than the overall population. (Related: CNN analysts grade McCain, Obama debate performances)

"Unfortunately for McCain, a continuation of the status quo favors Obama," Silverleib also said. "The pressure is increasing on McCain to find some way to change the fundamental dynamics of this race. He can’t afford to walk away with a tie in the remaining debates.”

McCain and Obama next square off October 7 in a debate that features a town-hall format — a set up that McCain favors. VP candidates Sarah Palin and Joe Biden have their only debate on Thursday."

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boomshak:

WHY GWEN IFILL MAY BE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO PALIN:

With all the buzz, Ms Ifill is probably a bit paranoid about seeming like a "biased" journalist and may actually go extra-easy on Palin as a result.

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macsuk:

Boomshak

Thanks but they fail to mention that Obama was behind for at least a week after the Republican Convention, and that he is performing much stronger in the battleground states then he was at that time. Obama doesnt mind getting beat by 35 in places like Alaska and Oklahoma.

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ticketstub:

Palin would have to change the vast majority of her positions, prove herself to be a foremost expert on foreign affairs and the economy and personally fund the production of "The Notebook 2" to make white women "flock" back to her. That ship has sailed. And I think the McCain camp knows it.

Palin's main purpose there now is to keep the base rallied. That's what she's shooting for in this debate.

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Hoosier:

@AmericaWins:
@macsuck
Yup here we go, Im a racist because i belive in AMERICAN values not Kenyan values. You latte sippers have no idea, this is an american country. When you lose the election dont go whinging to me.

Yes, you are a racist, a xenophobe, a troglodyte, and a pathetic person. (I can wait while you get a dictionary to look up these big words. Maybe Barbie Palin can help you out.)

For one, just because a person is the child or grandchild of immigrants does not mean that somebody is somehow less of an American. My grandparents were immigrants from Eastern Europe who came here inthe wake of World War I. To say that my mother of myself are somehow "less American" than you are is a joke. American was created by immigrants. Unless you are a Native American, that does include trailer trash rednecks like you.

Now, go off to your cross-burning and leave this site to those of us who actually love America.

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Dana Adini:

Boomshak

so its all come down to Israel bombing Iran in order for McCain. Too bad their prime minister resigned but his replacement to be Tzipi Livni is waiting for your call

972544434900

tell her i said hello

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Viperlord:

Obama is a far better American than anyone commenting in here. And I don't count racist xenophobic scum as Americans. (And saying he's Kenyan is somewhat ridiculous, he was born in Hawaii. His father was the Kenyan one, and Obama met him once in his life.)

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Dana Adini:

intade markets

Obama 338 EV 65.5
McCain 200 EV 34.8

They must have missed the latest gallup poll and boomshak's take on it.

Oh and regarding Israel bombing Iran....Boom Tzipi Livni is waiting for your call 972-3-722-1088

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Connor:

@Hoosier

"Yup here we go, Im a racist because i belive in AMERICAN values not Kenyan values. You latte sippers have no idea, this is an american country. When you lose the election dont go whinging to me."

Wow, in defending yourself against the charge of "racism," you said something EXTREMELY racist (and misspelled "whining" and "believe"...you racists have a thing about "book learnin'").

So, in regards to your "African values" thing...how about you **** off?

How about that?

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Ryguy:

boom, you need to start charging for people to read your posts... you are so entertaining, you make my work day

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Connor:

@Hoosier

Wait...were you parodying a racist?

I'm confused.

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Connor:

@Hoosier

****, Im sorry...I didn't realize you were QUOTING someone else.

Please do not "**** off." I am sorry.

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boskop:

Oh for go god's sake..who the hell knows what will happen?

None of us here.

but one thing is for sure, if gwen ifill does not recuse herself asap, then nothing good will come of obama's victory.

you have to win fair and square and this one stinks worse than the inside of a teenager's damp sneaker.

Either cancel the debate or ship someone else in. this chick has overstayed her effete PBS posturing too long.

black un hip non smiling who the hell cares. she has an obama book coming out on random house and is toxic to the world of journalism if this happens.

off with her head!!!!

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PortlandRocks:

Wow I come back from lunch and Boomshak's still going at it. We need some new CNN State polls so Boom can be further disproved. LOL WAIT FOR IT!

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Dana Adini:

let's keep this thing civil

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PortlandRocks:

boskop you are pathetic. LOL This tactic of killing the moderator. Sure, if she asks difficult questions of Palin then throws Biden a softball, sure, but even McCain knows IT WONT HAPPEN. Gwen's a professional. This is only FURTHER proof that the Thugs are SCARED OUT OF THEIR SOCKS for tomorrow. I will say this again. Palin DOESNT HAVE THE VOCABULARY to sound intelligent.

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DecaturMark:

The Obama campaign should ask the CPD to insist that Gwen Ifill recuse herself. That way he shows that he cares about treating Palin with respect. The nice thing about it is that a last minute change in the moderator is more likely to work against Palin than Biden. And if the McCain camp complains about the last minute change, Obama can always say that they were trying to be fair. After all, the right was talking about that more than the economy today.

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Viperlord:

Obama had a Muslim father? OMG! A MAN HE MET ONCE IN HIS LIFE WAS A MUSLIM! OH THE HUMANITY!

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PortlandRocks:

Anyone know what time we are expecting the latest round of state polls to show this thing pulling away from McCain?

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McShame:

Even if the race "tightens", Obama has many advantages that will make it difficult for McCain to win the election, i.e. voter enthusiasm (where polls show he leads McCain by 20 or more percentage points), influx of new voters who seem to support Obama by a 2-to-1 margin, and finally cell phone users who are not included by most pollsters. If the polls show a statistical dead heat on November 4th, I will still feel pretty good about Obama's chances of winning the election.

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Dana Adini:

Inter 1 W Bremen 1 (pizzaro)

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thoughtful:

@Portland Rocks -check out 538

I left China for the UK 15 hours ago and Boomshak is still going at it!

Even got the prediction of this poll right for a change!

One of the problems with China this time was 538 was blocked. His take on the Quinn polls of PA, OH and VA is that they show a clear movement before and after the debates to Obama.

I currently have Obama up by 9 points nationally on Dem registration GOTV AAs, 18-29 and people who are just simply frightened of McCain/Palin. The Undecidedshave been breaking to.

So I don't think the Quinn polls are outliers, I am waiting on Selzer polls from Indiana and other mid west states.

I have no interest in the Veep debates. I don't like Biden - he is as close to being a d***head as anyone. Palin is lacking in every way. Do I think they have an influence - none!

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Ryguy:

any small glimmer of hope and the republicans start flocking again to the boards, trying to strike fear in the hearts of liberals. you republican posters are such paper tigers. you all know that obama has been in the drivers seat for a while now and nothing has changed that, no matter how you try to spin it. horse race, electoral map, either way it looks pretty strong for obama. if this one poll showing a 4 point lead for our candidate is the best you can do, you have very little hope of winning this election.

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Viperlord:

To any racists and homophobes blabbering about how un-Christian Obama is, you do know one of Jesus Christ's teachings was tolerance?

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Outsider:

New CNN Poll...

Florida O(51) M(47)
Minnesota O(54) M(43)
Missouri O(49) M(48)
Nevada O(51) M(47)
Virginia O(53) M(44)

Here you Go..

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Viperlord:

Whoops, should have been "How un-Christian Obama is for not being a bigoted piece of trash"

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IndependentThinker:
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miatch:

CNN's new polls shows Obama pulling ahead in ALL swing states. Anyone who is dissing Ifill is an idiot.

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PortlandRocks:

Outsider holy crap! Where did you find that?

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Justin:

Viper, the typical "Christian" in this country knows nothing of Christ's teachings. Good Christians vote Democrat.

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Dana Adini:

Hey Boom spin these CNN polls. Wait....let me get my popcorn

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Dana Adini:

Hey I'm jewish does that make me "unchristian" and is that bad?

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Dana Adini:

Liverpool 3 PSV 0 (Gerrard)

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IndependentThinker:

No reactions yet from boomSPIN on those just-released Time/CNN battlegrounds polls?
Oh let me guess he's taking vitamins before spewing his insanities on this blog
LOL!!!

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boomshak:

@Dana Adini:

"Hey Boom spin these CNN polls. Wait....let me get my popcorn"

No spin required...it's CNN. If you have a few minutes, I'll find some nice Rush Limbaugh Polls for you.

These concern me about as much as the BS spewed from Quinnipiac this am. Notice no weightings have been included for us to consider.

However, I expect anywhere from a 10 to 16 sampling advantage given to Dems in every case.

After all, it's CNN.

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boomshak:

The McCain Campaign announced that their internal polling has them up 7 in Florida.

Are you telling me you don't believe them (because they are partisan), but you DO believe CNN (because they are unbiased)?

CNN are left-wing hacks.

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Dana Adini:

@Boomshak

"After all, it's CNN."

how do u explain the fox polls showing Obama ahead?

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PortlandRocks:

I fully expected NV and MO to come around. Especially NV.. massive population growth and they aren't conservatives moving in. Obama has a really advantage now in the Northern part of the state. Ok so let's now look at the BIG picture with 1 month to go. Obama WILL win every Kerry state. Obama will pick up IA and NM. He then has to win 1 of ...hmm 9 or so battlegrounds that he leads in..every single one of them. Yep.. McCain's gonna surprise us. LOL

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Connor:

@boskop

You never answered my question in the other thread. You said you and others in your "class" sit and laugh at the liberals on this board.

Please, tell me: what school do you attend? What class?

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boomshak:

I mean think about this, why should CNN that sings the praise of Obama with every single breath in any way be expected to do an objective poll? On top of that, they hide trheir weightings from us.

nope, sorry, epic fail.

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Viperlord:

Justin: Amen to that! Obama has certainly been a better Christian than any of the so called "Christians" calling him a evil baby killer, lol. Just a little fact for you all, under Kathleen Sebelius, the pro-choice governor of Kansas, abortions have gone down by 8.5 percent. The way to deal with abortion is to deal with the causes, not the symptom.

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thoughtful:

@boomshak

What ID weightings are Gallup using?

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Dana Adini:

bookshak

when thery make thei polls public I will critique them

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PortlandRocks:

Did anyone hear Rasmussen on FOX NEWS - Hannity I believe it was?

"When will this bounce end." - Hanity.

Rasmussen - "This is not a bounce, it's a trend."

Faces were blank.

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miatch:

lookey here, Boom:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/?map=10

OUCH. Looking like Obama in a LANDSLIDE

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Viperlord:

"CNN are left wing hacks" Ever heard of Glenn Beck? I've read their political blogs, many of those people go easy on the Republicans.

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RussTC3:

Here are the latest CNN/Opinion Research polls compared to their prior results.

Florida (9/14-16)
Obama 51 (48)
McCain 47 (48)

Minnesota (8/31-9/02)
Obama 54 (53)
McCain 43 (41)

Missouri (9/7-9)
Obama 49 (45)
McCain 48 (50)

Nevada (8/24-26)
Obama 51 (49)
McCain 47 (44)

Virginia (9/7-9)
Obama 53 (46)
McCain 44 (50)

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PortlandRocks:

boomshak save it. Why are Rasmussen/"FOX" polls given any salt? Because Fox may be paying for it but the pollster is Rasmussen. Now go sit down loser. Your inability to see REALITY is quite scary. But what would one expect from a BUSHY?

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boomshak:

@Dana Adini:
@Boomshak

"After all, it's CNN."

how do u explain the fox polls showing Obama ahead?

Because Fox is NOT in the tank for McCain. Do you even watch Fox? Every time they have a Republican on, they have a Democrat on to refute. This is why Fox is BY FAR #1 on cable.

That being said, Fox never just does their own poll. They always hire a well-known pollster.

Anytime someone who is clearly biased like CNN does their OWN polling and there is no pollster with a rep to protect, watch out.

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Dana Adini:

portland,

forget Fox they are just a bunch leftists

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IndependentThinker:

LOL!!
Reality check:
boomSPIN/boomDESPERATE
This is the same CNN/Time pollster that gave McCain +4 in VA one month ago --- see below
So basically when it shows a McCain lead it's not biased however when it shows the opposite it's biased
You're so insane

CNN/Time 09/07 - 09/09 920 RV 46 50 McCain +4

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Connor:

@boomshat

Seriously. If Obama wins, can we please organize a conference call with you? We won't even talk. You talk. We'll listen.

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PortlandRocks:

Ummm... CNN showed a closer race in FL weeks ago BOOM then RASMUSSEN followed.

Your argument? FAILED.

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boomshak:

@Opinion Research is a well known, left leaning pollster.

fail. next.

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boomshak:

All I can say is, show me your weightings.

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PortlandRocks:

BOOM and all the idiots WONT be here on election day. Mark my words.

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Dana Adini:

Boomshak

i just spit up my popcorn. Sean Hannity is very objective so is O'Reilly and GVS....that's funny

Shakhtar 1 Barcelona 1 (messi)

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Viperlord:

Fox unbiased? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They edit clips of McCain saying dumb things in interviews just to make him look better, and their reporting is totally biased and selective. Talk about delusional right wingers.

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boomshak:

The purpose of these bogus polls is just to lead the news and give the impression that Obama is running away with it and thus depress republican turnout.

It won't work. It just pisses us off.

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Viperlord:

But any poll showing McCain ahead has been declared as legitimate by you, LOL! I guess your now condemning almost every poll out there as being polluted by evil left wing liberals?

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boomshak:

@Dana Adini:
Boomshak

i just spit up my popcorn. Sean Hannity is very objective so is O'Reilly and GVS....that's funny

God you are an idiot! Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly don't bill themselves as being "objective newscasters". You watch them and you know what you get.

CNN spins Obama Talking Points as hard news. that's the difference.

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Dana Adini:

Boomshak

I figured it out....you a freakin' hippie liberal posing as a right wing nut to make GOP's look like nut cases. That's the only explanation BS you spew.

Has to be

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zotz:

boomshak
"It just pisses us off"

So I was right! There are two of you. Or perhaps more than two?

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Dana Adini:

boomshak

I guess intrade is a bunch of leftists too

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Pedro Sanchez:

Why is there no mention of the Quinnipiac poll that has Obama leading in PA, OH AND FL?

Obama 54-39 PA
Obama 50-42 OH
Obama 51-43 FL

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Paul:

Another fine series of answers:

Couric Why, in your view, is Roe v. Wade a bad decision?

Sarah Palin: I think it should be a states' issue not a federal government-mandated, mandating yes or no on such an important issue. I'm, in that sense, a federalist, where I believe that states should have more say in the laws of their lands and individual areas. Now, foundationally, also, though, it's no secret that I'm pro-life that I believe in a culture of life is very important for this country. Personally that's what I would like to see, um, further embraced by America.

Couric: Do you think there's an inherent right to privacy in the Constitution?

Palin: I do. Yeah, I do.

Couric: The cornerstone of Roe v. Wade.

Palin: I do. And I believe that individual states can best handle what the people within the different constituencies in the 50 states would like to see their will ushered in an issue like that.

Couric: What other Supreme Court decisions do you disagree with?

Palin: Well, let's see. There's, of course in the great history of America there have been rulings, that's never going to be absolute consensus by every American. And there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but …

Couric: Can you think of any?

Palin: Well, I could think of … any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But, you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today.

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[nemesis]:

"Couric: Can you think of any?

Palin: Well, I could think of … any again, that could be best dealt with on a more local level. Maybe I would take issue with. But, you know, as mayor, and then as governor and even as a vice president, if I'm so privileged to serve, wouldn't be in a position of changing those things but in supporting the law of the land as it reads today."

In other words... I really don't have any idea what I'm talking about, and I think I just pooped myself a little bit.

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boomshak:

A NOW, A MOMENT OF SANITY:

The 3 polls yesterday that showed Obama ahead by 7 or more (and are totally skewing the RCP Average higher):

CBS (Uber Liberal MSM)
AP (Uber Liberal MSM)
Time (Uber Liberal MSM)

So the 3 most liberal journalistic organizations on planet earth (besides the NYTimes and Pravda) have all told us that Obama is way out in front.

If you go to their stories reporting the findings, the only word that comes to mind is "orgasmic".

Exclude these outliers from yesterday and the RCP Average is: Obama +4.25, just 1.25 away from a statistical tie with the Palin debate coming.

They just want to make America think that Obama is so far ahead, Palin no longer matters.

Tell me, would you Obozonauts accept polling from Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly showing McCain leading by two points? Would you say, "wow, looks bad for Obama here..."?

No, you would discard the polls as partisan hit jobs.

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boomshak:

@Paul:

"Another fine series of answers:"

I've been doing a Google search for Obama/Biden's answers to these same questions, but I'm having a hard time locating them.

Oh that's right, nobody EVER asks Obama/Biden questions like this. They get questions like, "Are you ever embarrassed when the crowd cheer for you so?" and "why aren't you being tougher on those mean old Republicans?"

Yep.

If you can find the interviews where the MSM asked Obama these tough questions, please link me. Thanks.

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boomshak:

[nemesis]:

Your link to Obama's answer of the same question asked of him at any time in the last 2 years he has been running please?

Thanks.

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