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US: Obama 50, McCain 42 (Gallup 10/01-03)

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Gallup
10/01-03,08; 2,703 RV 2%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

National
Obama 50, McCain 42

 

Comments
kerrchdavis:

Just to recap the "words of wisdom" from boomshak this week:

Sunday, Sep 28th

Boomshak:

I predict that as the economic crisis fades, so will Obama's lead.
There is the off chance as well that the MSM may actually report on
the large hand Mccain had in bringing Republicans to the table to
make this deal possible (although I won't hold my breath).

This race will be back within 3 points amongst the leading pollsters
(Rasmusen and Gallup) by the VP Debate Thursday.

Monday, Sept 29th

boomshak:

I WILL WAGER THE FUNK IN THE BOTTOM OF THIS MORNING'S COFFEE CUP:

That by this Sunday, Rasmussen has this race back to within the MOE.

Wednesday, Sept 30th

boomshak:

Statistical tie by Sunday.

boomshak:

@sunnymi:

As I predicted yesterday, Hotline +5 today. look for Gallup to be +4 to +5.

I guess we all stand corrected.

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Ryguy:

the palin effect finally coming to fruition!

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zhimbo:

But Kerrch...America will never elect a lefty! And Gallup is in the tank for Obama! And who trusts live telephone interviews or automatic phone survey or mail or internet polls anyway! MSM! MSMSMSMSMSM! Tank!

you betcha.

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BOOMFAIL:

@Ryguy:
"the palin effect finally coming to fruition!"

You betcha!

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Inkan1969:

@zhimbo:

Yes, America will never elect a lefty. That's why Barack Obama is the nominee instead of Dennis Kucinich, and why Obama is in the lead instead of Ralph Nader. :-)

I still vividly remember all the comparisons of Obama to Joe Lieberman when he started his campaign, as well as the thrashing he got because of his FISA vote, to think that anyone who calls Obama a lefty is plain nuts.

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zhimbo:

@Inkan1969:
But McCain tells me Obama is the Most Liberal Senator! Just like Kerry was the Most Liberal Senator!

And just like the next Democratic Senator who runs for President, whoever they are! They're the Most Liberal Senator too!

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Eternal:

As I watched Fox trumpet Palin's debate victory I smiled. I thought, "they must be suffering from group delusion" and they were. The fact that the Right has suspended reason to convince themselves that Palin is anything other than a sham or is a net positive for their cause is the greatest gift they could ever give Obama. I hope they continue to believe she can make a diffrence and that they go 100% negative so we can win a landslide and gain more house and senate seats!

I beg the McCain team,

FREE SARAH, FREE SARAH!!

Countdown to RNC focusing on congressional seats 1 week.

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Eternal:

As I watched Fox trumpet Palin's debate victory I smiled. I thought, "they must be suffering from group delusion" and they were. The fact that the Right has suspended reason to convince themselves that Palin is a serious VP canidate or net positive is the greatest gift they could ever given to Sen. Obama.

I beg the McCain team,

FREE SARAH, FREE SARAH!!

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maddiekat:

zhimbo

I hope your post earns you the gold star today from McCains website!

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Eternal:

Sorry for double post...accident.

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Ryguy:

oh no, the word liberal is being used! run for cover because we're all going to be turned communist!!! the attack against liberalism is coming to an end... thank goodness. liberalism isnt evil, its just the opposite of conservatism, which is not pure good. what republicans dont seem to understand (notice i put that in the language of john mccain to ease into my argument better) is that most people in the country are not conservative. now, im not saying that most people are liberal either. the truth is that most people are in the middle. so lets see, if you are in the middle, and youve seen the disaster that has been the past 8 years under the watch of conservatives.... why on earth would you think that the word conservative is less offensive than the word liberal? more to the point, if you are in the middle and you think about the antithesis of the past 8 years, most people would not be frightened of that. im guessing most people would welcome it.

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IndependentThinker:

@KipTin:

Yeah I confirm that your interpretation is hollow and partial
I have the logs of some of your previous comments so don't force me to disclose it
Yes you like to jump on any polls that show a slight change towards McCain
This Gallup poll shows the opposite
It shows a light movement towards Obama, +1 that could be undecideds who saw that Palin is just a puppet. +0 to McCain which could mean his base did not need the VP debate to get behind him but doesn't necessarily sway any undecideds

Just open widely your partial MOUTH and swallow the truth
LMAO!!

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Guy Fawkes:

I look forward to McCain getting more erratic and more histrionic as we get closer without O's lead shrinking. The dilemma is: he can't go off on Obama without looking like an angry old man. Poor McCain. I stil see him as more genuine than the Bush/Rove thugs. So it's sad that he is the one on whom the chickens are coming to roost.

OK, not that sad . . .

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zoom:

As Obama pointed out in the debate--a large reason he was rated so liberal was just because he voted against Bush so often. By definition if you oposed Bush, you were considered liberal. These "terms" are so meaningless because no one really knows what they mean. Listen to positions on the issues and decide who has positions you agree with more than the other guy. Labels are just silly.

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mm:

You guys have nothing better do because everyday I see the same people blogging on this website. As a conservative, I knew the election was over the day you "wacko" republicans picked that unbalance guy (McCain) over Mitt Romney.

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zhimbo:

Is my snark too subtle?

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Ryguy:

exactly zoom,

but something that the republicans have been simply amazing at for the past decade, is making the word liberal synonymous with the word evil. so now all you have to do is say the word liberal and suddenly everybody freaks out. unfortunetly, the dems never did a good job of standing up and calling out the republicans for such a shallow, divisive, and down right malicious argument against their beliefs, so it got worse and worse. now i think people are realizing that the word liberal does not hold the strong but false meaning that conservatives want it to.

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zoom:

@zhimbo

Some people are so serious around here they don't always recognize sarcasm. If you don't want to risk being misunderstood, end your snarky posts with:

(sarcasm)

That way, everyone will know you are making fun of the McCaniacs and are not one of them.

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Inkan1969:

Someone told us to look at the ras poll about the Biden-Palin Debate instead of the snap polls. Well we did:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/45_say_biden_won_debate_37_say_palin

Hmm, I guess Palin did a little better....

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cjk002:

Where's Boomshack to explain why his predictions aren't panning out?

Do you think he hung himself with the cord from his mouse after seeing the Gallup poll?

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drinkwine247:

WHERE IS BOOMSMACK????
Anyway,


It brings me great joy to knowthat there are great Americans like Kerrchdavis and IndePendantThinker on the Left.

You guys make me laugh every day.

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laguna_b:

McCain's next move: Reconvene the Convention in hope of a second Convention bounce, nominate W as his VP to replace Palin, W will give a speech rousing the convention of Repubots by promising REAL CHANGE by re-electing him.

Pundits will praise the out of the box McCain strategy.....americans will love W's flksy expressions and moronic ignorance of the issues even after 8 years at the center of them.

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Viperlord:

*Pouts* What about me? J/k. Anyway, I hear McCain is now bashing the bill that HE VOTED FOR?!

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NYClassicalLiberal:

this has been a huge week for team obama. monday's polls, which take into account the new jobless numbers, will cement obama's trend. tuesday will i predict be a draw for obama-mccain which will net mccain 0 pts. in the polls released on thursday. mccain will then retreat from new mexico focusing on colorado. he will then retreat from iowa focusing and solidifying missouri. ohio, florida, new hampshire, virginia, colorado, pennsylvania will be the only states mccain will try to contend.

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cinnamonape:

More bad news for McCain

"Obama’s campaign reported $77.4 million in cash on hand at the end of August. McCain reported $26.9 million in the bank at the same time." Add that to the $84 million that McCain received when he took public funding and that means he would have had about $110 million to finance his campaign. That's only $33 million above what Obama already had banked...and could continue to fundraise atop that. He's bringing in record numbers of contributions (above his $70 million month record in August) as his support expands and the election approaches.


McCain is wasting $10 million in Michigan here, and $12 million there in Pennsylvania, and another $8 million in Colorado. For no good results. It's catching up to him and soon he'll be caught defending states on a paltry campaign war-chest with no chance of gaining that "lost state" needed to win the election. At that point the RNC will cut its losses and fund Congressional campaigns.

BTW Anyone look at the RCP map? The predict a minimum of 330 EV's to Obama.


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NYClassicalLiberal:

when i said "tuesday" i meant the debate.

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drinkwine247:

Dude Cinnamonape,

Mccain is winning....ask Nancy Pfotenouer

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Viperlord:

Where's the spin and smear team? Where are the accusations of racism for pointing out bad grammar? Where are the accusations of rudeness for refuting every point they make?

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IndependentThinker:

@drinkwine247:

"WHERE IS BOOMSMACK????
Anyway,


It brings me great joy to knowthat there are great Americans like Kerrchdavis and IndePendantThinker on the Left.

You guys make me laugh every day"
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You won't see boom showing up, at least not right now cause all today polls show his predictions were downrightly untrue and lame

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drinkwine247:

I know.....where is the expose on KipTin?

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Ulysses:

This week's debate will feature some new, but absolutely certain developments:

1. McCain will look Obama right in the eye; then will look directly into the camera (having been hammered for not doing so in Debate #1)
2. McCain will attempt to get Obama tied up in rebuttals to very harsh negative insinuations:

a) "lack of patriotism" -- based on Obama's past acquaintance with Ayer, Wright, etc.,
b) "dishonesty" -- based on an attempt to use a tactic that worked with Kerry -- paint him as supporting one thing while claiming to support another (actually, more true of McCain than Obama over the past 2 years);
c) some sort of mixed series of phrases thought up by the McCain camp that will attempt to promote totally new unsubstantiated rumors (and possibly, rumors that have even been manufactured just for the debate) about Obama. These will unquestionably be used with semantics that play on the "where there's smoke, there's fire" argument. This is certain. This will be an attempt to throw Obama off, and also force his team to take 2-3 days after the debate just to respond, thereby clouding his message and slowing him down;
d) phrases that emphasize McCain's "identity" and "patriotism", which will be juxtaposed -- by contrast and not direct mention -- to Obama's racial background, and rumors raised about his patriotism, etc.

However...

Obama will carry the night because the above marching orders will be drilled and drilled by McCain and his advisors in their Sedona retreat over the next few days, and McCain will have a very difficult time coming across as natural, confident and relaxed. Obama will almost certainly not take the bait, and will respond quickly to attacks, then return to his classic, "Look John, the fact of the matter is..." and look back directly into the camera and speak his mind on policy and governance.

Unfortunately -- because I used to admire him -- McCain will once again end up looking frustrated and petty. And, this debate pretty much will be the beginning of the end... IF McCain attempts the above.

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laguna_b:

I normally try to go to bed early on election night preferring to not strain my brain on all the returns worrying, even if ahead, that the idiots could be re-elected....but this year i think I will go to a good election party....and drink of the good news a sip at a time!

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ErnieLynch:

FOM or Friends of McCain

"The photograph substantiates reports that in late August, 2006, McCain celebrated his 70th birthday aboard a yacht, the Celine Ashley, rented by A-list con man Raffaello Follieri and his then-movie star girlfriend Anne Hathaway. "

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080929/berman_ames

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change:

ouch! is sarah palin qualified to serve as president? 53% no 46% yes (cnn/time)

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johncoz:

@cinnamonape

Small point, but the RCP "no toss-ups" figure is a projection, not a prediction. Polls don't predict. Not even sophisticated models like Nate Silver's (although interestingly his projection is remarkably close to RCP's at 333.2 EV).

What these projections do show is that *today* McCain has dwindling options in terms of targetting scarce resources. So even if an opening presents itself he is in an ever-worsening position to take advantage of it.

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thoughtful:

Boomshak was at it very early morning.

Saturday is college football and hot date night for him.

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cinnamonape:

"Someone told us to look at the ras poll about the Biden-Palin Debate instead of the snap polls. Well we did:
Hmm, I guess Palin did a little better...."

That was after the pundits told people what to believe rather than believe their own eyes and ears. Basically the results (which BTW Rassmussen "weighs" by his perceived political party affiliation #'s) have now split up into partisan groups.

The critical thing were how it played to the "Undecideds" right after the debate. In that group 30% changed to committed. 1/3rd of those swung to McCain, while the remainder swung to Obama. Even if there were 10% Undecided in a National or State poll this would, at best cause a shift of +1% for Obama. There was virtually no shift in the other categories.

Even if Palin "split" all it means is that nothing changed.

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thoughtful:

@Ulysses
Personally I think that McCain will actually lose it (his temper) on Tuesday.

There is nothing that frustrates McCain more than intelligence and calmness underfire both qualities he has always lacked.

It could turn out to be quite a farce as McCain snaps like Captain Quigg (Humprey Bogart) in the Caine Mutiny.

Maybe it will end up being a Palin/Romney ticket?

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1magine:

"your old road is rappidly aging, please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand..."

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political_junki:
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m913:

@viperlord

McCain pretty much has to criticize the economic rescue bill he voted for. It contained millions in earmarks, which he hates and vowed he would veto as president. It must have torn him up trying to decide which of his basic values to violate with that vote. (Geez, unintentional alliteration is fun.)

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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

Boomshak is talking with the circus monkey about why these poll numbers are so bad for McCain.

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1magine:

She lost by alot more than that based on the original snap polls. Either way doesn't matter.

As I had said months ago. 30% of the electorate actually makes their mind up during the first 10-15 minutes of the first debate. After that they check out. Look at the polls a week to 10 days after that and you can see who wins the election.

More proof - McCain's top advisors have secretly admitted to people like Joe S., BillO, and others that support has begun to cement. That is, peolple's opinion aint moving. What's worse, and they know it, is the more you attack someone who people support, the deeper people dig in their heels. Its a losing battle. I for one am continuing to make phone calls into OH today and am going to PA this week, but now it is more of a victory lap than a death sprint.

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thoughtful:

In remarks to GOP donors in Englewood, Colo., on Saturday, Palin said Obama seems to see the U.S. as being so imperfect that, in her words, "he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

I think Sarah Palin is skirting very close to disqualifying herself from office.


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maddiekat:

thoughtful

They are going to be shocked as her negatives continue to grow. I think the McCain camp is over estimating her popularity.

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burrito:

Damn you boomshak!!! I trusted you!!! I believed you when you said that the polls would be tied by the weekend and I bet all my money on it ... now what am I going to do? where are you? did you bet all your money on it as well?

LOL

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pbcrunch:

Hey, in all fairness... it IS possible for the poll to be statistically tied by tomorrow. McCain will just have to gain three points and Obama will have to lose three points, a MONSTER night for McCain. And that could happen if a camera catches Obama having sex with a 9 year old boy sometime in the next three hours.

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1magine:

Knew it was coming - but Caribiou Barbi is a POLITICAL WHORE. And quite frankly, I hope Sydney breaks her other wrist like he did with Cindy.

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political_junki:

Latest morning call from PA has Obama +12. He has been steadily gaining 1 point a day :)

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maddiekat:

imagine

It is going to backfire on the bit#h because McFailin already has the KKK and dumba#s vote locked up.

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DecaturMark:

In remarks to GOP donors in Englewood, Colo., on Saturday, Palin said Obama seems to see the U.S. as being so imperfect that, in her words, "he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

This is the kind of honorable campaign McCain pledged to run.

They are deparate. I guess that they think that their unfavorable ratings are so low that they can't go any lower. So they may as well go as negative as possible.

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Calhoun:

Is it fair to say that we have now reached the point where the voters, in effect, have made a collective decision to elect Obama?

And, if so, at this point that the voters will only change this decision if there is a large, unexpected event or a major gaffe by Obama?

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Adrian B:

Didn't someone say it would be a tie by this weekend?? Go on ... own up, Boomshak!!

And I guess it is, if you dismiss all the polls, including your beloved Rasmussen, take the lowest outlier and then argue about margin of error.

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Pat:

New Morning Call PA poll: Obama up by 12

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metsmets:

It sucks to be behind in the polls, doesn't it?

It's like you're talking and nobody's listening. Banging on your little tin drum and no-one cares.
You keep thinking you can find some nugget of half-truth about Obama and all those votes are going to come back. Keep posting. Keep believing. Keep Palin. Keep preaching to the choir!

Just remember the obvious..

This a referendum on BUSH and the REPUBLICAN party. Thanks to your POTUS, you can kiss any propect of power for a generation. You had your chance and you blew it. Goodbye!

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thoughtful:

@Calhoun
Not quite there yet, if next weekend. If at Average + 8% nationally then yes! As there is still a lot of undecided and churn (mainly McCain)out there.

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thoughtful:

Where is the GWU poll?

Yesterday they published 50-43 Obama early then corrected it to 49-46. This showed a +2 one day McCain movement having gone from +2% McCain to +5% Obama in 3 days!

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maddiekat:

thoughtful

The GWU Poll does not give results on Sat or Sun

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Mike_in_CA:

as a stalwart Obama supporter since 2004 and a frequent contributor on this site, I have to say:

I don't know what's more pathetic, boomshak's desperation, or the fact that nearly every poster on this site is now SO consumed by boomshak's absurdity that they are ragging on him and addressing him WHEN HE'S NOT EVEN HERE! Get a life guys, seriously.

Not to say I haven't ever engaged with boomshak, cuz I have. But it looks rather pathetic. We get it: He was wrong. We all knew he would be. Lay off. Would Obama ever act like that?

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Boomshack's_Fanboi:

Dear Lord Boomshack:

Where are you? I need your reassuring rational, sane and thoughtful interpretation of the polling data that show appalling results for the patron Saint of POWs McCain and satire's assassin and world leader in word salads Sarah.

Please help me and assure me with insightful diagnosis and your prognosis positive. I can't bear the thought that reality has a liberal bias for I am a staunch conservative.

Come to rescue these polls results and spin them our way in your own unique way, Boomshack.

Please do so, O master of statistical wit before I commit heretical thoughts invade my right-brain that you are a numbnut dimwit trolling twit.

Help me and all your other great followers on this mighty site by your insight and your outlook.

Boomshack FTW

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cinnamonape:

Not that she's impugning Obama's patriotism or anything!

Sinking-to-the-lowest-denominator!

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NW Patrick:

What an F'in beaaatch. This nasty style of campaigning stating Obams runs with terrorists because he served a BOARD with a man in trouble is ridiculous. I wonder if the Christian would make her daughter pay for her own KIT after she was RAPED. I'm certainly not going to put up with her or McCain's BS for the next 30 days and will do everything I can to expose their lies and desperation. Wow..these polls are great. 1 point bounce post VP debate after 1 day of polling..hmmm... Looks like SHE WAS EXPOSED for the bimbo fake she is.

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thoughtful:

I think Palin is asking for it.

Although she has virtually nothing to lose?

Have the Palins published their tax returns?

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Ryguy:

way to elevate the discourse mccain campaign! keep it classy!

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NW Patrick:

I think it's time for some DESPERATION ads by the Obama campaign. Use McCain's own words about a "new type of campaign." This man is pathetic. I hope he is voted out of the Senate. He has permanently ruined himself. Country 1st my ass. What a pathetic joke.

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Ryguy:

hey palin... you should bring up obamas terrorist fist jab while youre at it, and dont forget to mention his middle name... its time to pull out all the stops!

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mirrorball:

The Palins' returns for 2006 and 2007 were released yesterday

http://www.johnmccain.com/palinfinancial/

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zotz:

McCain-Palin have already damaged their credibility beyond repair. So now when they start calling Obama a baby-killing America-hating terrorist sympathizer (btw that's their plan) the public are going to say where's the proof? For every person that will believe this stuff there will two that will see it as desperation tactics, which is the truth.

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NW Patrick:

I love it. If you think you've seen a media backlash just wait 'till McCain turns ugly. And let me tell you folks, they can talk all they want about the media, but if it turns, it will be ugly and the media DOES indicate the mood of the electorate. BRING IT MCCAIN.

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Dross:

The Sarah Palin disaster is just now starting to hit the GOP.

Did they actually think most Americans would for one second think that Palin was anything more than a pandering election stunt? Any half-wit knows that if McCain were to die during his presidential term, there would be no chance in hell Palin would be allowed to lead. She'd be instantly removed by the GOP. She is a pawn and nothing more. Not that we'll ever witness that scenario since an Obama landslide is becoming more and more likely as we election day approaches.

It's about time the American public sees the McCain/Palin ticket for what it truly is: An out-of-touch lobby-intrenched close-to-death Bush clone matched with an astonishingly under-qualified Jesus freak-job chosen only to appeal to the far-right base.

Game over for the corrupt, elitist, and deeply un-American GOP.

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NW Patrick:

We always knew the THUGS wouldn't go easy. This reminds me of a movie I've seen. You kill the monster, walk away, and it comes after you again. And you scream at the TV because DAMMIT they always do that, they never finished the monster off. That's why Obama has to know that you have to not only cut off the head, then shoot the head 20 times, and chop it up in little pieces, never assume it's dead.

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NW Patrick:

I honestly believe McCain may have kept it close even with a traditional, Republican VP. This has CLEARLY backfired. THANK GOD.

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drinkwine247:

@zotz

I want to know why you hate America?
I love America.
John McCain LOVES America!
zotz......hates freedom.
why?
Please, for the children, love America.


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Commander_King:

These things Palin and the McCain campaign have said are disgusting beyond belief. Out of desperation they try to say Obama is a terrorist and un-american.This is sick and John McCain doesn't even deserve to be a Senator much less President. Anyone that votes for McCain is voting for a desperate,do anything to win liar.

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thoughtful:

Well Obama is a radical (official) Tucker Bounds. Liberal is too nice a word!

Please.

The Palin's income: not a lot to be said, what was Todd's earnings?

I think I'll move my residency to Alaska pay less tax and go moose hunting!

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Viperlord:

EVIL LIBERAL POLLS! But seriously, McCain is unleashing his desperation tactic now.

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thoughtful:

Thanks Mirrorball

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change:

@ viperlord

i know McCain is gonna get nasty, but that holds a big risk; imagine how out of touch he is gonna seem when he ignores issue number one= the economy, and starts making character attacks, its an all or nothing move!

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zotz:

drinkwine247-
I no more hate America than the Jews hated Germany. It is what the Nazis said but it wasn't true. The Jews did hate the Nazis and they hated what the Nazis did to Germany.

I think that is how I feel about the Republicans. I hate what they have done to America.

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thoughtful:

I think its fair to say that the McCain/Palin Campaign will continue to implode.

They have no policies under than the same as GW Bush.

Correction a McCain Presidency would be more militarist.

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PA-John:

Rasmussen just posted their new weightings.

39.3% Democratic, 33.3% Republican, and 27.4%

The difference is now D+6, up from D+5.4 last week.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/new_rasmussen_reports_party_weighting_targets_39_3_democrat_33_3_republican

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change:

@thoughtful

ur right McCain is a warmonger, he re-inlisted in the military 8 times to take part in missions, this guy loves war! he probably wants to start the cold war again, we know how he hates Russia

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Commander_King:

McCain and Palin don't even deserve to call theirselves Americans after all of these lies they have told.

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Ryguy:

its a sad day for america when a once respectable man becomes so engrossed in winning an election, that he becomes everything he swore that he hated... senator mccain, you used to be a good man.

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carl29:

Hello guys!! No one needs to look at the polls to see how things are going. Judging for the disgusting tone of the McCain campaign, it is obvious that Obama is up, and people getting more and more comfortable with the idea of President Obama. Make no mistakes, succesful campaigns don't turn negative, especially when the candidate is selling himself as an "honorable maverick." The McCain campaign's nasty attacks against Obama is the ultimate proof that Obama is on his way of becoming the 44th POTUS. We'll see how things turn.

My point of view is that Barack has to respond to those attacks as quick as they are made, and keep the heat up on the domestic issues as well: the economy, health care, jobs, education, bringing the war to an end, getting things done in Afghanistan. Obama has to question McCain's "maverickness" when he is behaving like Karl Rove, one of the most emblematic faces of the GOP's nastiest sides.

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maddiekat:

The good news is the October surprise is no surprise at all. I don't think independents and undecided voters are going to be all that impressed with a 72 year old cranky Republican candidate sending out, and hiding behind his unqualified female VP pick as she goes out and smears Obama. Preaching to his own choir does McCain no good at this point in the race.

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Ryguy:

if i was obama, i would come out and do what he does best, tell it like it is. obama isnt kerry, hes a fighter, and he knows how to defend a jab and then throw one back. no matter what he does, i dont worry about it, because up until now, the man has known exactly how to carry himself, despite how others around him freaked out or called for drastic measures. obama, is cool calm and collected, and he will not be smeared. he didnt let hillary get away with it, and he hasnt let mccain get away with it... hes just too smart for it.

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Eternal:

Times like this I really appreciate ABC news (George and Charlie) While they had no good intent, their hack job moderation of the Philly debate between Clinton and Obama has largely inoculated him from this line of attack. I'm quite sure McCain has the crazy, racist vote locked up already.

The cool thing is Obama can juxtapose this imagined relationship against the real Keating relationship and no one in the press can complain.

After beating McCain about the head with a "repeat" commercial comparing the current bailout to the Keating 5 bailout, Obama runs ad's on the economy that call out the fact that McCain "does not get it" and says, while our economy crumbles and you loose your jobs, homes and life savings, John McCain wants to talk about this stuff?

Then finishes with, "he just doesn't get it" ...


This stuff writes itself...

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ReprobateMind:

Biden Says "Facts Matter"

If Biden Thinks "Facts Matter", Obama, Biden and the democrats should get their facts straight for a 'change'.

That would be "Real Change", that would be "Change We Need", that would be Obama, Biden and democrats speechless.


Well here are som facts for you Mr. Biden.

Obama Admits Associating with Terrorist

"Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.'"

And yet as an adult Obama chose to associate with Mr. Ayers in political and official capacities.

More naivety, more dangerous conduct, more bad judgment, more of the same Obama.


“…Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. Its members took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol…”

“…Obama, who was a child when the group was active, served on a charity board with Ayers…”

“…served together on the board of the Woods Fund…”

“…Obama was the first chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school-reform group of which Ayers was a founder.” Wonder what kind of reform. I think we all have a pretty good idea though.

“…Ayers also held a meet-the-candidate event at his home for Obama when Obama first ran for office…”

More naivety, more dangerous conduct, more bad judgment, more of the same Obama.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/ap_on_el_pr/palin_obama;_ylt=AgGTo9._Xx.rxL8bkOr.oRKyFz4D

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BOOMFAIL:

By going "Nukeyouler", the MsShame campaign will be the ones blowing up. (Although, not sure how much more implosion there could possibly be.) The only ones who will be turned on by their smears will be their pathetic base who thinks having someone "just like me" in office is the best thing for America. I beg to differ, and believe that it will take someone with a great deal of intelligence to get this country on its feet again, after what the Rethugs have done to us. People can see through the crap this time around.

They can't run on the issues or their record, so the only thing left is to try to make people not think about what is really important to their lives. Not going to work this time Rethugs!

The Maverick is going to be remembered as "The Scumbag" when this election is over. Good riddance to you. Reformer my ass.

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cinnamonape:

The Palin's did reveal their tax forms in total...both of them. Which is admirable, although it sort of shows that they fall into the extreme upper, upper, upper levels of the "Middle Class".

The big cipher in all the financial reporting is CINDY LOU (odd "First Dude" discloses, Cindy Lou doesn't have too?). She absolutely refuses to show us how much money she has wrapped up in Wall Street and thus how much she'll make from the bail out. Of course, when a local newspaper found out about Cindy's investments, and John's involvement in trying to shield Charles Keating from S&L investigations, it almost got him thrown out of the Senate. So maybe he has good reason to keep all of that secret!

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carl29:

I don't know how the attacks will work because:

1) There is nothing new about the allegations. For an attack to make an impact it has to be unexpected, a real "sucker-punch." Remember how "creative" the celebrity attack was? Well, no one had tried that line of attack. In certain way, Hillary inoculated Obama by bringing up those issues during the primaries. It's like a joke, it's funnier the first time.

2) People can see those attacks as a clear stunt, just like they saw McCain's "suspending" his campaign. Look guys, people know that McCain doesn't understand the economy, so it is really hard for him to distract them. People already suspect what his motives are. If McCain had been Mitt Romney, the "suspension" stunt could have being more effective. Obama has to keep hammering him with the economy.

3) I don't know how this will play with those independents, especially educated white men, who respect/appreciate McCain for the "honorable" man he was in 2000 against the "smear-fest" Bush/Rove. I think that this could only reinforce in their minds the idea that McCain has indeed evolved into Bush's clon.

In my humble opinion, those attack will only work with those that already hate Obama, so no lost love.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@carl29

I think you are right with your assessment, though if these attacks had started a month ago they would have been effective.

I think now it is too late to change a lot of voters minds. The Obama/Biden ticket has been above 50% in most polling for the last 9-10 days which means we're seeing voters "firm up" their decision.

If you attack someone after they have made up their mind they are going to dig their heels in and this could be a bloodbath for downticket Republicans who get caught in the wake.

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cinnamonape:

"Reprobate Mind" indeed. What if you actually had a group out there blowing up and burning down hospitals/clinics and shooting doctors...and preventing women forcibly to gain access to medical facilities? And you actually voted repeatedly not to pass a law that allowed prosecution of those groups?

Talk about being in the pocket of terrorists!

"In both 1993 and 1994, McCain voted against the anti-terrorism measure. On each occasion, McCain was one of thirty radical anti-choice Senators to oppose the bill Fortunately, despite McCain's opposition, it passed the Senate by a 69-30 margin...The new legislation was necessary because in early 1993, the Supreme Court had ruled that even though the terrorism crossed state lines, the federal government could not protect clinics without a specific grant of statutory authority.

After Dr. David Gunn was murdered by an anti-choice terrorist outside the Pensacola Women's Medical Services clinic, Congress finally passed the much-needed legislation giving authorities the tool they needed to protect women, doctors, and clinic staff from the ongoing threat of terrorism.

Most Americans welcomed the new law -- even including far-right conservatives such as Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell. Nonetheless, John McCain stood by his extremist views and opposed the anti-terror bill."

Consider if Obama had opposed a law that did not go after groups that posted "Dead or Alive" images against our servicemen abroad, or bombed or murdered them, threatened their families, etc. That's precisely what McCain did with terrorists. And Palin "pals" around with these folks, even gives speeches in front of those who think that these tactics are reasonable.


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Ryguy:

ReprobateMind,
cut the crap. you know very well that these "associations" have already been well documented and discussed for months now. there is nothing new to report here... except that mrs. palin says obama is "pals" with terrorists. you know very well that she is not discussing naivety, but rather a distain for america, and a concious tie to terrorist philosophy. these accusations are dirty, and you know it.

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ReprobateMind:

DNC steps in to silence lawsuit over Obama birth certificate
Democrat suing his own party says it's 'like they're in cahoots'
Posted: October 04, 2008
12:00 am Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Philip J. Berg

The man suing Sen. Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee for proof of Obama's American citizenship is outraged that his own party – rather than just providing the birth certificate he seeks – would step in to silence him by filing a motion to dismiss his lawsuit.

As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he'll drop the suit.

Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.

Despite assertions by the Washington Post, FactChecker.org and other organizations that Obama has produced a certified Hawaiian birth certificate, Berg told WND he remains "99.99 percent sure" that the certificate is a fake and he wants a court, not a website, to determine its validity.

Earlier last week, lawyers for Obama and the DNC filed a joint motion to dismiss Berg's lawsuit. The fact that the DNC joined in the dismissal request has Berg fuming, believing his party's leaders have ignored his pleas for proof in order to favor their chosen candidate over a rank-and-file constituent.

"I think it's outrageous," Berg said. "The Democratic National Committee should be ensuring the Democratic Party and the public that they have a qualified candidate up there. To file a joint motion is like they're in cahoots.

"Since then, I have asked by way of press release that Howard Dean resign, because (the DNC members) are not fulfilling their duties," Berg said.

"The DNC has a responsibility to all Democrats in this country to make sure that all of their candidates are properly vetted and properly qualified," Berg added. "I think it's really an outrage to the 18-plus million people who voted for Obama and the people who donated more than $425 million to him under false pretenses."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933

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carl29:

You might not know but here in Miami we have some terrorists, Cuban terrorists, who not only set bombs but they also killed civilians, look for "Cubana the aviacion" airline's attacks in Barbados. Politians here mingled and work in behalf of this criminals, advocating for them to get out of jail. Whom do you think those same terrorists supporters/politicians are with? Well, they are Republicans/McCain supporters. Just imagine if Obama has ever being friend to a terrorist, personal friend, no colleguae at work. Those miami-terrorists were plotting attacks even in 2000. Miami is well known for being the only US city were terrorists walk freely on the streets and are greeted as "patriots." Imagine if Obama had associations like those :-) McCain is the darling of these people.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@ReprobateMind

Typical Republican Troll. Looks like they are trying to follow Murphy's Rule of Dating.

Go ugly early...

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carl29:

ReprobateMind,

I am a law student and got news for you. In this country, this very litigious society, you can bring a lawsuit against anybody, anybody, on whatever grounds you choose. The only problem is that if such lawsuit is a crazy allegation the court will just laugh at you, period. The only thing you need to do to bring a lawsuit against "Mickey Mouse" is to go to court fill out all the papers and pay the fees. The clerck will get the papers, stamped, and say goodbye. When those papers arrive at the judge's desk, the judge will throw it to the trash can, that's all. You lost your money and wasted paper sheet :-)

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change:

I don't know why so many people discredit the dailykos pole, they are very transparent about their internals.

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Commander_King:

Obama supporters... I know this attack by Palin is disgusting but we can't allow ourselves to be distracted like they want us to be. Must keep hammering McCain over domestic issues and we can throw in how disgusting his lies are.

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Dana Adini:

what happend to battleground poll today

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maddiekat:

Dana Adini

They do not post results on Sat and Sun

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faithhopelove:

The upcoming campaign schedules shed some light on the campaign strategies.

Obama campaigned in VA today, and is now headed to NC for debate prep (he has an event there tomorrow). After the Tuesday debate, he heads for IN, where he campaigns on Wednesday. Biden is off the trail until Monday (due to an illness in the family), when he returns to the trail in NH. He is scheduled to tour PA with both Hillary and Bill Clinton later in the week.

McCain is off the trail until the Tuesday debate. On Monday and Tuesday, Palin has events in FL and NC. On Wednesday, McCain and Palin campaign together in PA, and they are in OH on Thursday.

Wednesday looks like it will be a wasted day for McCain. PA appears out of play. Consider:

1) today's PA tracker has McCain down 12 points in the state;

2) 15 PA polls in a row have shown Obama ahead there, the last 3 by double-digits;

3) with the exception of 1 Zogby internet poll, no poll since April has shown McCain ahead in PA (and that a 1-point lead in a right-leaning Rasmussen poll);

4) today's Research 2000 tracker has Obama up 37 points in the Northeast--which includes PA;

5) while McCain had been out-spending Obama in PA, since last week Obama has been out-spending McCain there;

6) Obama visited the state yesterday;

7) Springsteen campaigns for Obama in Philly today;

8) Biden and his wife are from PA, and will be touring the state with the Clintons;

9) PA has gone Democratic in 4 consecutive presidential elections, and the Democratic senate challenger defeated the Republican incumbent in 2006.

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Hope Reborn:

the election seems over to me... one candidate is running a solid negative campaign on a key issue, the other is grasping at straws trying to make someone seem scary.

voters want issues this year. McCain's people are doing all they can, if they actually ran on their issues, this race would be +20 Obama

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TJIRISH34:

Eternal you may get your wish. Why Obama is out there laying out details on his health plan and criticizing McCain's. McCain campaign and Palin are going after Obama over William Ayres and has said they will attck him over his personal associations. Attacking his character is their plan. The GOP will continue to use this Rove playbook until they lose an election. Eternal as you mentioned the GOP's delusions over Palin. It is fascinating wathing the GOP. I believe they are going to go down very hard this election. Instead of trying to re-strategize. The GOP seems to run more to that Rove playbook which is not working this election. I am not a big liberal. I voted for Reagan 84 and he looks like a moderate compared to today's GOP. I really hope that the Republican party get's it's butt kicked soo bad. That the party of Republicans such as Gerald Ford will come back.

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Dana Adini:

Wow McCain has to defend NC and IN, PA is waste of time and money there

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dave101:

I can't wait to see what last minute, desperation, hail mary pass McCain's gonna come up with. (It was reported he loves gambling and he hasn't gone without at least one gambling binge per month in the last twenty years.)

I hope he looks as dumb as he did when he pretended to "lead" the congress into the bailout vote, and then the vote promptly failed to pass (the first time around). Hahaha.

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Paul:

Thanks as always for the post by "faithhopelove".

I agree with respect to Pennsylvania. The last SUSA poll for the moderate subgroup where these races will be decided had Obama +18. In addition, new voter registration in PA has been overwhelmingly Democratic.

RCP, pollster.com, CNN and Rasmussen all have PA as Obama. 538 projects Obama as +6.6

I have Obama at +7.26 in PA.

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change:

I really thing obama can win Florida as long as he keeps scaring (justly) the seniors about social security and the economy, and remember without Florida Mcsame is toast!!!

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Viperlord:

But.... But..... This is a center/right country.... We don't elect leftists.... Wait, you say that the Democratic Party is further to the right than some European conservative parties? But that challenges my own ingrained preconceptions!

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Eternal:

TJIRISH,

I agree, it's a sign of complete tone deafness. People in fear of economic collapse are not going to react to distractions in the way McCain thinks.

It only highlights his inability to propose a big picture idea.

Energy- He talks about drilling, small idea.

Economy- He talks about pork spending, small ideas.

Safety and Security - He talks about "the surge", small ideas.

John McCain's problem is instead of creating a compelling reason to vote for him he was running britney spears ad's.

Short term gain, long term pain.

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ronnie:

It's obvious when a campaign goes to character attacks that things are desperate...I think McCain better be aware that this strategy (especially during these economic times) is likely to put him in a bigger hole...There's too many issues going on that voters want real answers to.

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Ryguy:

ronnie, its the final hail mary pass by mccain. none of his others have worked, so now hes got this one last chance... if he can convince people obamas a terrorist, he might be able to sneak by, if it doesnt work...well... hes where hes been for the past month, far from the white house.

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Ryan in MO:

@voteforamerica:


"Projections

Obama 355, McCain 183"

+CO + IN = 375 landslide

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OneAngryDwarf:

This is kinda fun. It is the California Democratic Party and they have setup an electronic billboard outside of the Palin rally today so people can text in questions to her.

http://www.cadem.org/site/c.jrLZK2PyHmF/b.4594449/apps/ka/ct/contactcustom.asp

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masselo:

they should ask her --- what does the word pre-condition mean? i betcha she wont be able to answer -- her stupid behind -shame on her.

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zotz:

The REAL Palin Effect

WASHINGTON — Undecided voters who watched Thursday's vice presidential debate really like Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin but they're not certain she's ready to lead the country, according to the findings of a new Ipsos/McClatchy online poll.

If they had to vote immediately after watching the debate between Republican Palin and the Democratic vice presidential candidate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, 52 percent of the 456 undecided voters who were surveyed would vote the Obama/Biden ticket, the poll found.

It also found that Palin's performance in the debate did nothing to clinch undecided votes for her running mate, Arizona Sen. John McCain. Before the debate, those same undecided voters were leaning 56 percent to 44 percent for McCain. The day after the debate, the numbers tilted 52 percent to 48 percent for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53475.html

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javakah:

I think that Palin just absolutely killed any inroads with independents during the debate by essentially calling Obama a terrorist by association. This attack was absolutely reprehensible.

Sure, call your opponent inept,inexperienced, call their policies unwise, unworkable, question their judgment. But implying that a candidate for President is a terrorist... just reprehensible. Worse yet, given the attacks on him saying that he is a Muslim, this seems to reek of racism.

After the debate, Palin had at gained some respectability in my view. That is now gone and filled with loathing for the woman.

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Pacific moderate:

McCain/Palin are going negative today, harping on the Ayers "story". Boy, if I was McCain/Palin, the question about dubious associations in my past certainly isn't one that I'd want to make into a campaign issue. There's "Keating Five", McCain's top campaign manager being a paid representative of the government of Georgia's Saakashvili, Palin's dubious religious associates ("Jews for Jesus", "Pray away the gay", etc.) and her, shall we say, not particularly accomplished family members, and on and on. They must be feeling real desperate to be digging so far into the gutter over there.

Next up, an ad claiming that Obama wants to confiscate guns from 5-year-old abortion survivors during their sex-ed class (complete with Photoshopping Obama's skin color a few shades darker).

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Uri:

Honestly, if I was McCain I would accept the fact that I am not going to win with the election being what it is. I would instead suspend my campaign permanently, say that it is time we stopped wasting money in the current state of the economy, and ask Obama to do the same, with the collected money going for some important charitable purpose.

Considering that he's not going to run again, that's at least a way to get written down well in history.

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maddiekat:

After hearing about Palins comments today I checked out several local newspapers to read the locals comments. The vast majority of them were very critical of Palin and McCain and no more so then in the Denver Post. This crap isn't going to fly this time!

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slinky:

Important article in the NYTimes interviewing newspaper editors in Battleground states about their cities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/05/us/politics/05maptext.html

Ohio editor suggests racism hinders commitment to Obama. Not a surprise to me.

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Ulysses:

The worst thing that could happen for McCain is to lose the election... and ALSO lose the country's respect. He has always been an admired American, but that has eroded precipitously over the past several months, particularly after what was perceived in most polls as an extremely negative tone and patronizing performance in the first debate.

He should be very careful over the next month that he doesn't destroy his own best weapons: his honor and his honesty.

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maddiekat:

Ulysses

To late; McCain does not have any honor or honesty anymore. He sold his soul to the fringe radical wingnut portion of his party over a year ago!

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Ryan in MO:

i agree, the damage has already been done. i can respect a loser, but not a full of shiz liar.

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change:

Ulysses

do u think these charges from Palin are gonna work? its pretty risky stuff. Do u think they will go as far as bringing his middle name into it? - Obama isn't out of the woods yet the extreme right has yet to play its dirtiest trick!

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saywhat90:

it is sad that john mccain cannot win on the principles he claims to have. he no longer has any honor if he tries to spread the lies about ayers rezko and wright. and yes they are lies. there is no proof that obama has any nefarious ties with any of these men. there actions are there own to be responsible for. if there was any evidence that obama did anything illegal with rezko fox news would have ran it. if there was anything to the ayers association it would be ran on fox also.i mean they ran the rev wright story into the ground. there isnt much left to get out of that story. what ayers did in the past is not obamas fault. and what he did with ayers in the past was a good cause.so it is a weak mccain tact and it tells me he is no longer the person i once admired and respected in 2000. he had honor then but not anymore. he definitely cannot run on any integrity now.

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saywhat90:

it is sad that john mccain cannot win on the principles he claims to have. he no longer has any honor if he tries to spread the lies about ayers rezko and wright. and yes they are lies. there is no proof that obama has any nefarious ties with any of these men. there actions are there own to be responsible for. if there was any evidence that obama did anything illegal with rezko fox news would have ran it. if there was anything to the ayers association it would be ran on fox also.i mean they ran the rev wright story into the ground. there isnt much left to get out of that story. what ayers did in the past is not obamas fault. and what he did with ayers in the past was a good cause.so it is a weak mccain tact and it tells me he is no longer the person i once admired and respected in 2000. he had honor then but not anymore. he definitely cannot run on any integrity now.

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Commander_King:

They have pulled so many dirty stunts I think they have completely lost all credibility.It won't work and McCain has lost my respect. Him and Palin have sunk to such a low its disgusting.

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dave101:

I know it's unlikely, but Obama still has 2 debates to make some really big gaffes. (But more likely McCain's gonna exercise some planned hubris and end up looking less like a maverick and more like a dangerous gambler.)

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dave101:

GP saywhat90 - I'm still waiting for McCain's Swift Boat Veterans for "Truth" attack.

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socalerdoc:

This will backfire bigtime. With the economy going down the crapper, the swing voters will flock to Obama. By going sleezy negative McCain is just helping them migrate to the Obama camp. I smell landslide.

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DecaturMark:

Obama is launching a pre-emptive strike against McCain's negative attacks.

From the Politico:

Obama officials call it political jujitsu – turning the attacks back on the attacker.

McCain officials had said early in the weekend that they plan to begin advertising after Tuesday’s debate that will tie Obama to convicted money launderer Tony Rezko and former Weathermen radical William Ayers.

But Obama isn’t waiting to respond. His campaign is going up Monday on national cable stations with a scathing ad saying: “Three quarters of a million jobs lost this year. Our financial system in turmoil. And John McCain? Erratic in a crisis. Out of touch on the economy. No wonder his campaign wants to change the subject.

“Turn the page on the financial crisis by launching dishonorable, dishonest ‘assaults’ against Barack Obama. Struggling families can't turn the page on this economy, and we can't afford another president who is this out of touch.”

Then Obama says: “I'm Barack Obama and I approved this message.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14283.html

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Tom:

It looks like the race has stabalized at O+7. Using a football metaphore, Obama us up by three touchdowns in the early part of the 4th quarter. In other words, he can lose, but it is very unlikely. At this point in the race, opinions tend to crystalize, and McCain will have a very hard time peeling off enough Obama supporters now to really matter. Plus, with early voting underway or set to begin in many states, it may be already too late. The Ayers attacks today smell solidly of desperation, and the McCain capmaign, no matter how much they would like to protest, knows it is in deep trouble. Right now, Obama has many short roads to 270 while McCain has a few longshots. Obama's roads to 270, based on the "yellow states" painted here are;
1. Win FL
2. Win OH
3. Win NC and any one of VA, IN, MO, MN, CO, or NV
4. Win VA and any one of IN, MO, MN, or CO
5. Win MO and IN
6. Win either MO or IN and win either MN or CO
7. Win NV, and NH and any one of VA, IN, or MO
8. Win MN, CO, and either NV or NH

McCain's roads to 270 include;
1. Win FL, OH, NC, VA, IN, MO, and MN
2. Win FL, OH, NC, VA, IN, MO, CO, and either NV or NH
3. Win FL, OH, NC, VA, MN, CO, either IN or MO and either NV or NH
4. Win FL, OH, NC, MO, IN, MN, CO, and either NV or NH
5. Win FL, OH, VA, MO, IN, MN, CO, NV, and NH

As you can see by the above, if McCain loses FL or OH, its over. If McCain looses NC, he has to run the table or its over. If McCain loses VA, he needs to pretty much run the table. Currently, McCain only leads in MO and NC, and the latter is starting to look quite tenous.

By the way, there was an interesting article over at The Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14280.html) about how the Republicans now think the Democrats actually have a chance of making the 60 seat threshold. They have already written off NM and VA, are are pretty sure they will lose AK, CO, NC, NH, and OR, and are concerned about GA, KY, MN, MS and TX. One McCain official even said about the NC race, "there’s no point in even counting the votes."

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BOOMFAIL:

@DecaturMark:
"Obama is launching a pre-emptive strike against McCain's negative attacks."

I have to say, not only is Obama THE candidate of a generation, but his team running the campaign has to be the best around! Worthy of B-slapping Rove if only they were around in 2000 and 2004. Obama certainly is a strong candidate, and he won't take their sh%t, hoping it just goes away. The garbage won't work this time around!

Double digit leads by the end of next week!

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Mike In Maryland:

carl29 said...
". . . the ultimate proof that Obama is on his way of becoming the 44th POTUS."

There is one scenario I can think of where Senator Obama would become, not the 44th, but the 45th, POTUS:

After (not if, but after,) McCain loses by a large margin, look for Shrub to ask for TV time on or before the evening of Sunday, January 18, 2009. If that happens:

- Shrub (might) make an announcement the he is handing out pardons to dozens of administration officials, but he definitely will publicly announce that he is issuing a pardon for Cheney 'for all crimes past, present and future he MIGHT have committed';

- Shrub announces that he is resigning effective at noon, January 19th, 2009.

The reason? He pardons Cheney, resigns, Cheney is sworn in (becoming the 44th POTUS) and pardons Bush.

Far fetched? Yes, but I wouldn't put it past anyone in this administration to be thinking of that scenario.

Remember - when Senator Obama voted for the revised FISA bill, he stated that criminal prosecutions were NOT off the table. I think administration officials are VERY scared that he will not forget that threat. And I don't think, as President, Obama will forget he stated that.

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Basil:

Mark

I like the jiujitsu metaphor. Obama's been referred to as resembling an Aikido master before, and if I got to pick my Japanese martial arts metaphor, that would be my preference.

An Aikidoist views his/her opponent as a parent might an angry child, preferring to avoid doing harm while neutralizing the childish attack.

In other words, good vs evil is the neocon Republican model, and it's far too simplistic for the real world. Let's be adults and not imitate them.

Dick Cheney may be another story. The number of innocent human beings whose blood is on his and Rumsfeld's hands (among others) is staggering.

Obama Tsunami!

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BOOMFAIL:

Best SNL opening ever! LMAO!! Now if only the rest of the show was this good. Tina Fey deserves a frickin' Emmy IMO

Check it out if you missed it.

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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

Have any of the idiots posting stuff about William Ayers seen the photos of John McCain meeting with Anne Hathaway's ex-boyfriend, the Italian con artist, on his 70th birthday? Are you old enough to recall the Keating 5 scandal? Do you know what connections John McCain has to the mob? Do you know John McCain's gambling habits? Did you know that Sarah Palin's husband is a member of a group that wants Alaska to become it's own country?

What are they teaching you idiots over at Fox News?

Please, don't say that John McCain is honorable because he has gone back on his word time and time again.

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jenn:

Will Mr. Ayers get a cabinet position? He's done a "bang up" job so far as a radical. Don't forget about your friends Obama on your way to the top.

And certainly Rev. Wright should not be forgotten either!

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jenn:

I hope Alaska becomes their own country. I'm moving there if Obama wins!

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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

@jenn

No worries. At the rate that people are jumping from McCain to Obama, there will be plenty of room for all the McCain supporters in Alaska. You'll even be able to build a few casinos. I'd watch out, if you all chose to elect John McCain as the King of Alaska, you should know that he has been highly erratic lately. He may launch a preemptive strike against Russia or Canada. Beware.

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cinnamonape:

This Ayers guy, that certainly wasn't a "pal" of Obama was never convicted of any terrorism charges. The things he did was some 30 years before Obama met him.

But McCain actually tried to get Federal investigators off the back of a guy that embezzled millions and who was part of a cabal that caused the collapse of hundreds of millions of savings...Charles Keating! All because McCain's wife was Keating's business partner. Keating went to jail for years.

And McCain has actually opposed legislation that would have designated individuals and groups that bombed or set fire to abortion clinics, attacked doctors and nurses, or promoted such attacks on the internet as terrorists. TWICE!

I really don't think we want to open these dusty suitcases, John!

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BOOMFAIL:

@jenn: "And certainly Rev. Wright should not be forgotten either!"
Besides being a total idiot, are you a witch?? I have a witchdoctor that should be able to help you out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN7hJDS26rI

Bring on the slime Rethugs, you'll be sorry this time!!

On a happier note, interesting read from December 2007:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1207/7508.html

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jenn:

No, just ruffling the feathers here at pollster.com. I don't want anyone to get complacent or anything!

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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

@jenn

I almost forgot. Tell Sarah Palin's witch doctor that his voodoo is no good. We still have a witch problem.

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zotz:

jenn-
"I hope Alaska becomes their own country. I'm moving there if Obama wins!"

And we will miss you soooooo much!

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jenn:

Can't get rid of me that fast. It's too much fun here crashing the liberal party!

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OneAngryDwarf:

@jenn

You know I had a plan to say something really snarky and mean about your beliefs and your rationals, and then I thought "what would Sarah do?"

I'll do just the opposite and wish you well. Hope you enjoy the great state of Alaska.

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Ryan in MO:

@jenn

please do some real research for a moment. have a great night, and good luck with that Alaska move.

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jenn:

That's right. Libs can dish it out, but they can't take it. When Sarah plays a little hard ball, everybody is whining about it.

Oh please. Look at all the attacks on Sarah from the mainstream media.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@jenn

You know jenn you are absolutely right. Shame on us. I hope you have a wonderful time moving to Alaska.

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Ryan in MO:

@jenn

MSM looks for facts, doesn't fabricate or insinuate like your supposed non MSM, FNC. I've seen enough Fox News flipping through channels to see them insinuate misinfo about Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and Barack Osama.

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Ryan in MO:

@jenn

although i see you believe their trash

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jenn:

No, I call him Barack Lenin Obama. But others have that Hussein nickname. I don't think he's Muslim just a socialist. But that's not great either.

Better watch out. Fox News leads in the ratings.

Thanks for all the laughs tonight guys. I had fun!

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Robi:

We all know that facts have a liberal bias.

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RussTC3:

New Minnesota poll from Star Tribune:
Obama 55
McCain 37

Looking back at their 2004 numbers, they had Kerry up by 5 points in a poll taken in October (10/9-11).

Kerry won the state by 3 points, so they weren't off by much.

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Ryguy:

actually jen, fox news doesnt lead the ratings anymore.

and what the hell i was having an argument with you over in the other board when you were over here too? jenn i thought we had something special going on...

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saywhat90:

actually overall fox is the leading cable news channel. although they do not dominate the news like they used to . so this time they cannot influence the electorate like they did in 2000 and 2004

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OneAngryDwarf:

@jenn

I often find it amusing that Republican supports always call liberals communists. If they were paying attention they might have noticed that in recent years the party that is acting most like authoritarian communism is in fact the Republican party.

The troubles at FEMA and the DOJ where you have party loyalists appointed to administrative positions regardless of qualification seem to be the epitomy of communist behavior. Remember how in China and the old Soviet Union you had to be a party member to be part of the government?

The Republican financial takeover of the banking system also reaks socialist/communist behaviors within the Republican party. Giving a tremendous amount of resources and wealth to the party elite while leaving the peasants to starve. How curious?

There seems to be some sort of disconnect from Republican supports regarding their beliefs and their actions. I used to support the Republican party (when I was young and foolish) but they moved way to the right and the Democrats seem to have moved to the center to counter. Now there really is no left (Dem positions are very Reaganesque) and the lunatic fringe is now on the Right.

Perhaps the recent implosion of the Republican party will allow for a regression to the mean where both parties can get back to the business of governing, not from the right or left but from the center. That is after they arrest Karl Rove for treason and crimes against the American people.

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Ryguy:

saywhat90,

i heard a few weeks ago that fox is no longer winning the ratings race. its losing to cnn. are you sure that its still in the lead?

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thoughtful:

Good Morning

The GOP appears to be imploding.

With regards Ayres. Palin claims to have read the New York Times.

Its going to be interesting if one of the questions in the debate relate to the Ayres relationship. Why Ayres is "on the street", why Obama hasn't been arrested for insurrection?

I'm surprized the Repubs haven't thrown Eldridge Cleaver and bobby Seale into the mix? After all they are/were black men to!

Maybe Al Capone didn't he also spend a lot time in Chicago politics?

Is McCain going to be forced to apologize to Obama before or during the 2nd debate?

Why is Ayres "on the street"? Look by associating with theis known terrorist why isn't Obama held in Gitmo Bay?

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maddiekat:

This Minnesota poll is good news for Obama. The same polster showed a dead heat in September.

http://www.startribune.com/politics/state/30470234.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr

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Observer:

As I understand it the facts about Ayres are:

1. He was a member of the terrorist Weatherman Group.
2. They set bombs and killed people in America.
3. Ayres was arrested but released because of illegal surveillance by the authorities.
4. Ayres does not dispute that he was a terrorist. He is unrepentant about it and says they (the Weathermen) did not do enough (interview September 11 2001).
5. He has never apologised to the victims or admitted he is or was wrong.
6. To the vast majority of people around the world he is a dispicable low-life piece of scum and worse.

He was a fund raiser for Obama and worked, maybe not closely, with Obama for a number of years on a board which he set up and Obama ran. Now people can judge:

a. How would you have reacted had you discovered yourself in contact with somebody like Ayres?
b. Would you have simply continued to work with him or would you have recoiled in disgust?
c. Would you have accepted fundraising from such a source if running for office?
d. As with Rezko Obama has done nothing illegal. If you are of the opinion that the ends justify the means and it is alright to work with people like Ayres to get things done then you will not think Obama has done anything wrong.
e. However a lot of people would not have had anything to do with an unrepentant anti-American terrorist in any circumstances and will not be sympathetic to somebody who did.

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maddiekat:

Observer

The conservative Gov of South Carolina also sat on a board with Ayres, not to mention a member from both the Nixon and Reagan administrations.

Fail

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GboroNC:

Observer

The Facts I understand about the House of Saud

1. They sponsor Anti-American madrassas in Pakistan, known terrorist training grounds.
2. Those madrassas provide support and personnel to Al Qaeda
3. The house of Saud is backed because of their oil.
4. The house of Saud is an unrepentant absolute monarchy that makes a point of supporting radical Islam overseas.
5. They have never expressed any desire to give their people rights or stop funding terror schools.
6. To the vast majority of people they are despicable low-life’s who persecute, torture, and execute women whose only crime was their gender.

They are friends of and investors in the Bush family and their various businesses.


a. How would you have reacted had you discovered yourself in contact with a family/regime like the House of Saud?
b.Would you have simply continued to work with them or would you have recoiled in disgust?
c. Would you have accepted business investment from such a source in your business?
d. As with Noriega the Bush's have done nothing illegal. If you are of the opinion that the ends justify the means and it is alright to work with people like the House of Saud to get things done then you will not think Bush's has done anything wrong.
e. However a lot of people would not have had anything to do with an unrepentant absolute monarchy, that supports anti-American terrorists, and oppresses women in any circumstances and will not be sympathetic to somebody who did.

And to top it off the Bush's are far more tied to the house of Saud then Obama is to Ayers. Makes you wonder doesn't it?

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ErnieLynch:

McCain Advances Russian Interest:

"Yet despite McCain's tough talk, behind the scenes his top advisers have cultivated deep ties with Russia's oligarchy--indeed, they have promoted the Kremlin's geopolitical and economic interests, as well as some of its most unsavory business figures, through greedy cynicism and geopolitical stupor. The most notable example is the tale of how McCain and his campaign manager, Rick Davis, advanced what became a key victory for the Kremlin: gaining control over the small but strategically important country of Montenegro."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081020/ames_berman

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Observer:

Maddiekat

You say: "The conservative Gov of South Carolina also sat on a board with Ayres, not to mention a member from both the Nixon and Reagan administrations."

Fail"

Why fail? If any of them run for President then the facts can also be brought to public attention. I and no doubt others think it astonishing that Ayres has become a professor in Chicago. Clearly a lot of people have worked with Ayres over the years. I would not have done. Everybody can make up their own mind.

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Observer:

GboroNC:

I share your disgust about the House of Saud and I don't support Bush. This is one of several reasons why the west should develop its own energy sources. That way there would be no excuse for anybody to suck up to those people.

I don't have the view that wrongdoing by one is an excuse for wrongdoing by another. If this was Bush v Obama the Saud business would be something to be placed in the balance. It is always valid in politics to point out facts.

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maddiekat:

Observer

Obama's relationships have been bought up over and over and based on the polls no one cares except for wingnuts like Hannity, Limbaugh and their cult members.

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maddiekat:

Also Observer

It was great strategy by McCain to energize Obama's larger base against his smaller base. Plus I am sure Independents are impressed by a man who has his obviously unqualified running mate, basically call a fellow US Senator a terrorist for the sake of trying to win an election.

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Observer:

maddiekat

You may be right. If you are then there is no reason for the Obama campaign to object so long as McCain and his supporters stick to the facts. Time will tell I suppose.

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GboroNC:

Observer

I disagree, I think in many ways this is Bush versus Obama. John McCain agrees with Bush 90% of the time and would more than likely kiss up to the house of Saud. John McCain has also been consistently against spending to help renewable energy, so if he is elected we will likely have 4 more years of no government support for energy innovation except for the same old Bush style talk and gimmicks, which McCain has bought into.

On top of that Sarah Palin has even less of a plan. Her plan is to drill and only drill. That means we will be dependant on foreign oil for 7-10 years and then maybe be able to get off it for a few years until domestic supplies run out and then we are back to where we started only without the security of domestic oil reserves.

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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

Why is this nonsense still going on? I woke up this glorious Sunday morning only to find that the fundamentals of the ECONOMY were still hurting. 6.1 of the American workforce is still unemployed. After 6 years, we are still fighting 2 wars.

Unless John McCain puts forward a viable plan, one that's not lock step in line with the policies of the Bush administration, I refuse to listen.

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thoughtful:

Good Morning Boomshak

Rasmussen 51 - 44 Obama +7%

Are you redefining a tie?

No Change in R2K/KOS Obama + 12%

I think that you will agree with me the real number is somewhere in between.

No more happy mornings for John McCain

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DecaturMark:

Ras Sunday daily tracking

O 51
M 44

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ErnieLynch:

This is the end.... this is the end....

for McCain

@The Doors

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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

Rasmussen Reports

US: Obama 51, McCain 44 (10/5)

US: Obama 51, McCain 45 (Rasmussen 10/01-03)
US: Obama 51, McCain 44 (Rasmussen 9/30-10/02)
US: Obama 51, McCain 45 (Rasmussen 9/28-30)

It looks like this thing is solidifying. People are heading to the polls. I think most people have made up their minds.

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thoughtful:

How many days running is Obama 50 and over with Ras?

The VP debate appears not to have made any positive difference whatsoever in McCain/Palin numbers. That is exactly what you would expect we are electing a President.

However I really do think that Sarah Palin breaks the "do no harm" VP rule.

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DecaturMark:

With two of the three days represented in the daily trackers, it is obvious that the VP debate was not the game changer that the McCain campaign had hope for. It seems as though there was very little movement; and any movement was slightly toward Obama.

McCain is going to go negative but Obama is out in front with his own preemptive ad.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14283.html

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thoughtful:

"Obama’s support has steadily increased. In fact, his level of support has not fallen by even a single point on a single day for any of the twenty-four days dating back to September 12. He was supported by 46% of voters on September 12 and 13 before inching up to 47% for four days. Then, he was at 48% for six days and 49% for two days. Obama hit the 50% mark on September 26 and stayed there for four days before earning 51% support for each of the past six days."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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boomshack.fail:

Hey Boomshack

How you going this morning buddy?

Is it me or has the margin of error on the Rasmussen poll gone up to 7%??

That is obiviously how you would justify that poll, right??

Just make up stuff like your buddies in the white house. You have failed us, your party has failed us. I think it would be fair to say that change is in the air.

I seriously hope for the sake of our country that the GOP wakes up and begins to focus their attention on governing rather than winning election. For they will be back in a few years and I hope they come back harder and stronger and ready to lead.

There was a flaw with what Raegan said, "the govt is the problem and not the solution". Well the problem I have with that is, the govt is gonna be there weather you like it or not. So its better to be there and do something. Even if you're wrong, you learn from it and fix it. If you think the govt is the problem and should do nothing and sit on the sidelines, well the past 8 years is what you get.

So I hope you guys for once realise the fundamentals of the GOP are not strong!!!

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boomshack.fail:

Hey Boomshack

I have a prediction of my own. I have a feeling this will come true.

I predict a Powell endorsement for Obama by 20th October.

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mysticlaker:

Hi Boomshak!

What happened?

Boom:10/4/2008
"Tomorrow, Obama 50, McCain 46. Monday (first day to have polling only AFTER the debate, Obama 49, McCain 47."

So sorry you suck so much. Have fun whacking off to Sarah P today as you rewatch the winks over and over!

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Morssa:
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Dana Adini:

the police have put out a missing person alert searching for boomshak

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mysticlaker:

I found boomshak under Sarah Palin's skirt!

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ErnieLynch:

McCain...

No plan... no clue

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Paul:

Gallup Sunday: Obama +7 (50-43)

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Dan1967:

Sarah Palin is slandering Barack Obama's good name and she and McCain are playing dirty politics.

Wasn't Sarah Palin the Director of a 527 political group that was organized by Ted Stevens, the now indicted Senator from Alaska? This article: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/01/palin-527-stevens/ says she was.

Wasn't John McCain investigated for his role in the Keating 5 savings and loan scandal? This website: www.keatingeconomics.com
says he was.

VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA AND LETS GET A DEMOCRAT WIN IN NOVEMBER!

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