09/26-28/08; 2,732 RV, 2%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews
Obama 50, McCain 45
Damn flawed liberal commy Gallup poll.
Posted on September 29, 2008 1:53 PM
I am still sitting here looking at the DOW today wondering how this happened. Nothing but utter failure by the Republicans for 8 years and the race is even within 8 points. America you will get what you vote for just like YOU did re-electing Bush to office. We got a 40% larger gov., record deficit, and a reputation around the world far from positive. Good job!
Posted on September 29, 2008 1:57 PM
boomshak's going to have a miserable 8 years. Can't imagine how much more bitter his life could get.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:00 PM
I actually feel physically sick, I have never hated Republicans before but this is beyond bad. It will destroy McCain though, im watching FOX right now to see there opinion and they cant even spin it.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:02 PM
LOL you go on some GOP BB's and they are all hanging their hat on the GW/battleground. The others (including gallup, rusmussen, fox, etc) are all leftists
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:05 PM
OMG! THE BAILOUT BILLED JUST FAILED!
Heres' the inside scoop. From what I hear, they were ready to pass it. Nancy Pelosi gave some sort of speech and people just went ballistic and voted it down.
Who knows. But I think 93 dems voted against it.
Wonder what the hell Pelosi said that pissed everyone off so badly?
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:07 PM
Imagine when GW starts showing Obama ahead....they will claim MOE until the gap is 10%!
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:08 PM
McSame's leadership shines through.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:09 PM
Are you kidding me? What right wing house Reps wanted a Capital Gains Tax deduction or remoal loaded into the bill or the won't vote for it. I see either help my wealthiest friends and buisnessess with offshore employment or we will let the US economy tank.
HEY M-FERS THAT'S MY 401K YOU'RE PLAYIN WITH! I DIDN'T WORK MY ASS OFF ALL THESE YEARS TO SEE MY RETIREMENT DELAYED B/C SOME GUY WANTS TO SELL HIS SEVENTH MANSION AND DOES NOT WANT TO PAY TAX ON THE PROFIT REALIZED.
Yeah way to show leadership JM. You really brought those Repubs around. Good thing you stayed in your residence and made all those 6 phone calls. What would we have done without that. Or the 3 days we lost while you played freakin games. Just lovely.
boomshak this vote could end McCain's campaign. Fair or not, you will see markets plumett starting NOW. American's views of the bail out will be starkly different in a week. You watch.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:11 PM
Ok wait... re-vote? I'm so confused. Now it's passing?
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:12 PM
If the Dems had just voted 100% for this, it would have passed, but almost half of Dems voted now.
Let the finger-pointing Begin!
Great time to be BUYING solar stocks for next year!
I am glad this piecs of socialistic crap failed.
I am so glad this bill went down in defeat.
I called my congessman and told him to vote no on this bill.
If we lose this election but stand on principle and keep this country from turning into a socialistic government then I and I bet alot of others in this country will be pleased.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:13 PM
Ok wait... re-vote? I'm so confused. Now it's passing?
I'm not sure what that is...
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:14 PM
Socialist governments at least take care of their people....we are going to have the worst of BOTH worlds Boom.....BUST!
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:15 PM
I too would like to see them EAT it BUT I've been listening to many economists who said the alternative would be..well we wouldn't want to imagine it. I guess we will know if they are true in the next few days.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:19 PM
I owuld be curious what would Boomshaks' solution be? Remember that the credit markets which are essential for capitalism to survive and thrive are currently locked up and not loaning so you cna't grow....tell us Boom...what is YOUR solution??
This is an example of taking care of people.
4yrs of this kind of leadership!
Rock on America!!
Pelosi [Rich Lowry]
A friend on the Hill thinks the harsh partisan tone of her remarks wasn't helpful.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:20 PM
Yah speaking of SOCIALISTS thanks Bush for all of this you F'ING MORON. 40% growth in gov., endless war, 10 billion a month, the worst president in the HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES. Republicans need to DISAPPEAR for 8 to 16 years. PERIOD.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:21 PM
Democrats voted 141 to 94 in favor of the plan, while Republicans voted 65 to 133 against. That left the measure with 206 votes for and 227 against.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:22 PM
Lets see how Our country reacts and how the markets react to no bailout bill.
Remember all of these so called economists who want a bailout will benefit greatly from this deal.
The entire banking system has been drained of cash, assets have been overvalued. Banks aren't lending to other banks. So assets are even more depressed.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:25 PM
c y Republicans changed their mind and will let the US financial system collapse because of ONE women's comments? WOW:)
yea ok go ahead blame Bush you socialistic liberals.
How bout all of the people in this country who could not afford homes who were given mortgages by your liberal dem leaders who felt sorry for them.
If they cant afford a home you rent.
Rock on America under the One President OBAMA!!!
Don't you love Republicans. The White House has been controlled by Republicans and they have had the majority in congress 12 out of the past 14 years and they want ot lay blame on the Democrats
'WHY DO ALL REPUBLICANS LIE???
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:27 PM
Do you really think that sub-prime lenders needed any encouragement from "liberal dem leaders" to try to make as much fast cash as they possibly could? All they needed was the regulations preventing the scams to go away.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:28 PM
"'WHY DO ALL REPUBLICANS LIE???"
It's mostly to make up for their unbelievable lack of intelligence.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:29 PM
WHO IS TO BLAME?
Nancy Pelosi failed to get 40% of her own party on this. Leadership?
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:30 PM
SO much for McCain saving the day.
My IQ is 140, what's yours?
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:31 PM
The house did the right thing in killing this. Corrections are a normal part of the business cycle. The longer they are artificially put off the worse they get. Yes things will be bad, but how long would this have kept the economy a flot before the next bigger more disasterous crisis hit. A month, a year?
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:32 PM
If the Democrats truly believed the U.S. economy was going to collapse, then why did 94 Democrats vote against the bill. Plenty Democrats to pass the bill, but the Dems wanted the GOP to share the "blame" if this bill does not work out.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:33 PM
Honestly I don't know. The only IQ test I've ever taken, I blew off completely, and came out with a 135, so somewhere north of 135 is my best guess.
P.S. Seeing your posts, I'm guessing there was some more of your fancy math involved in coming up with your IQ score.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:35 PM
So now what will Obama do? Remain on the sidelines. Let Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank, do all the heavy lifting? How do Dems explain that they cannot bring the vote from their own troops?
Isn't it time that the US map goes deep blue ??
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:36 PM
Apparently, Nancy Pelosi gave a VERY PARTISAN speech right before the vote insulting Republicans and blew up the deal.
She is an idiot.
Yes, that is what I heard about Pelois, too. I just caught the end of the vote on TV.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:37 PM
So the Republicans agree to corporate executives having a cap on their "golden parachutes" and salaries...but then try to tack on a "Capital Gains Tax", thus giving these same folks back their millions in spades? Doesn't the GOP realize that people see right through their tricks anymore!
PELOSI - After so much bipartisanship, how the hell can she give a speech blaming everything on Republicans?
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:38 PM
What a bunch of whiners. So she gave a mean old speech that hurt their feelings. Good thing the Republicans can put their hurt feelings aside and vote for America. I mean come on, this is your excuse? We rejected saving the U.S. from a Depression because Pelosi gave some speech that hurt our feelings?
Right... house Republicans scuttle the deal (and their own candidate) to spite Pelosi. Brilliant logic. By the way, 2 of 3 campaign stops for McCain/Palin today are in PA and IA. I hope they believe like you do (and I think you're on the McCain payroll) that those states are still in play.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:39 PM
Apparently Pelosi gave SUCH a partisan and insulting speech that it even pissed off 40% of Democrats.
My God, she is a mad woman.
40% of DEMOCRATS voted against this. 40 friggin %!
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:40 PM
boomshak has an average iq of 140 by accepting an iq test that scored him at 140 and rejecting the other 9 showing iqs of 12,45,25,65,34,34,32,55,7 as outliers. Apparently they weighted the QUESTIONS too heavily. The one he scored 140 on heavily weighted him filling in his name.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:42 PM
But guys, Pelosi is from the party of "post-partisanship", remember? Dogs and cats sleeping together and all that?
So she rips into Republicans in this speech for no reason at all but to get her rocks off right before this huge vote and it s SO offensive even 40% of her own party votes against it?
40% of democrats voted against it because all of the provisions dealing with oversight and restricting golden parachutes that actually made it into the bill were a joke. They were lip-service to what really needed to be in the bill to make it fair for taxpayers.
Republicans are whiners. Suck it up and help save America. So basically what you're saying Republicans is you let some old woman irritate you and so you voted NO to spite her. LOSERS!
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:43 PM
People, the fantasy that Barack Obama talks about is NOT the real Democrat Party.
THIS, this partisan bullsh*t and gotcha politics. THIS is the Democrat Party.
Sad and pathetic.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:45 PM
I love how these trolls are tearing into Nancy Pelosi for a speech that they haven't even heard yet and where they have no idea what was even said.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:46 PM
Almost half of your own party voted against it. You get that don't you?
What is this "Democrat" party I keep hearing about? I belong to the "Democratic" party, but I'm glad I don't belong to the "Democrat" party because from what I can tell they're the ones responsible for all the evils of the world.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:47 PM
@boomshak, serious, zip it bro. Your party is a party of emasculated whiners. You let an old woman hurt your feelings and make you cry. Your party was dumb to get out there and say her speech killed this bill. How pathetic does that make Republicans look? We're in a crisis (supposedly) and y'all vote no on it because she hurt your feelings?
Pelosi gave the speech so the historical record will show that Republican losers caused this mess.
If Ms Pelosi is in charge how come she or THE ONE could not convince enough dems to vote for this????
My congressmen who is a dem voted NO!
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:49 PM
We live in extraordinary times.
The whole economy is grinding to a halt as all of us depend on credit cards, companies on credit terms , banks borrowing and lending.
The cash has run out and the assets are overvalued.
This is going to get wild!
This might hurt Obama.
Now is the time to get on TV, reach out and show Bipartisan leadership.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:50 PM
Neither party can take the entire blame for voting for or against this bill as it stood at the time of the vote. Clearly many in both parties were not happy with it. Simply put, the product was not good enough. They need to get back to work and make it good enough.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:51 PM
I love how they keep pointing out that 40% of dems voted against it when an overwhelming number of republicans rejected it.
That's like saying "I shot this guy on the street 8 times, sliced his head off, burned his body and ran it over twice, but because my friend punched him in the face, this is all HIS fault."
kerrchdavis: "That's like saying "I shot this guy on the street 8 times, sliced his head off, burned his body and ran it over twice, but because my friend punched him in the face, this is all HIS fault."
LMFAO - well said!
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:54 PM
Before the vote, Democrat leadership said this:
"We expect no more than 40 defections".
They had 95. Clueless.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:56 PM
"That's like saying "I shot this guy on the street 8 times, sliced his head off, burned his body and ran it over twice, but because my friend punched him in the face, this is all HIS fault.""
LOL, I have this exact situation happen to me all the time. Seriously though, a perfect analogy.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:57 PM
WHEN will Democrats EVER accept AT responsibility for being the MAJORITY PARTY in Congress?
All you needed was a aprty-line vote to pass this thing and you COULD NOT DO IT, not even close.
What a joke.
Posted on September 29, 2008 2:58 PM
Almost two-thirds of your party voted against the bailout too. What's your point? The Democrats who voted against the plan were concerned that the oversight offered was insufficient. Republicans who voted against it had their reasons too. To simply say it's all Pelosi's fault is simplistic in the extreme.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:01 PM
this is exactly what you dont get. It is a BI-PARTISAN PLAN. It is AN AMERICAN plan. It is NOT the democrats duty ALONE to save the American economy. Do they accept some responsibility? of course. But MANY MORE republicans rejected a bill that BOTH parties were supposed to support.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:02 PM
look, don't address any comments to me anymore. you're pathetic.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:03 PM
Not only simplistic, but a terrible thing to claim. If we're to believe that the Republicans voted down a critical bailout that they believed in just because Nancy Pelosi's speech pissed them off... what the hell does that say about what the Republican party's priorities are? 1. Get revenge on Nancy Pelosi, 2. Save the country?
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:10 PM
This was a Bush-Paulson bill. I dont understand how it was the democrats responsibility to get the votes? They delivered 60% of the vote because despite being un-popular its necessary. Republicans are pulling gimmicks again and they dont even care how much damage they do.
not to mention how much of a joke it is that his own party just voted against his plan on a 2-1 basis.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:13 PM
I love how republicans never tire of piling uninformed blame onto the mortgage holding citizens, and yet not one of you I have spoken to or blogged with can justify the Gramm-Leach-Bliley act. Come ON! ALL of this mess could have been avoided had that not passed. Authoring that bill was Phil Gramm dropping his pants to screw America, and then sadly Clinton allowing it to happen. This mess has plenty of blame to go around, but don't try and pretend that somehow the republicans are going to save the economy by giving yet more opportunities for their rich friends to screw us in the a** some more.
The desperation is reaching new heights. Now they hope this election will be a referendum on Nancy Pelosi. Mmm hmm. Not to mention, any sort of bailout deal is still vehemently opposed by a majority of Americans last I checked. so this might actually be to McCain's advantage. (Or it would, if he hadn't pulled that lame-ass stunt to try to ram the damn thing through last week.) The sad truth for the GOP is (and they may only acknowledge this after the fact) that no matter what goes down the next few weeks, the majority of Americans are and will be ticked off at the economy. And the majority are ticked off at the Republicans who controlled the WH for 8 years and the Congress for 6. NO ONE but the Fox News/Limbaugh sycophants are buying the blame Clinton and the black folks angle. (as charming as that is). Whoever appears to be doing more or less or better in this whole bailout deal is not going to move the needle in any sort of significant way, and they know it. Not to mention Palin has gone from savior to rotting albatross, and the stench is worse every day. The only GOP hope is something bizarre and out of control or some Obama scandal the likes of which we've never seen. That's it. That's the only thing that can possibly turn this around.
refering to bush in 2nd paragraph
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:14 PM
Oh yes, all of the Democrats who voted against had a perfectly good and sound reason. The Republicans who voted against are evil partisans.
You should just listen to yourselves as the hypocrisy drips from your lips.
Apparently, right before the vote, pelosi gave a completely unnecessary partisan speech blaming Bush for EVERYTHING.
What a f*cking idiot! I mean, who does that right before a crucial vote?
That's like telling the press the other team sucks right before the big game. Incredible.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:17 PM
thats like saying because someone teases me im going to screw the whole country. How much lower can you go
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:18 PM
"You should just listen to yourselves as the hypocrisy drips from your lips."
Boomshak teaching us about hypocrisy. Thats like Matt Millen teaching us about drafting wisely.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:19 PM
HERES' THE THING TO REMEMBER:
Yep, the Democrats and the MSM will blame this failure on the Republcans, BUT
About 75% of Americans are AGAINST THIS BILL! That means they will APPROVE of the party tht killed it.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:21 PM
P.S., This will just pass on Wednesday anyway. Call your broker and buy bank stocks.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:22 PM
"About 75% of Americans are AGAINST THIS BILL! That means they will APPROVE of the party tht killed it."
From Rasmussen today:
"As Congress prepares to vote on a proposed economic rescue plan, opposition to the measure has declined significantly. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey conducted Sunday found that 33% of Likely Voters now favor the plan while 32% are opposed and 35% are not sure. "
Once again: burst-into-flames-FAIL.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:23 PM
@Tyler: I agree, if people changed their mind because they were irritated by a speech, then they're not fit to be in government. I extend that to members of both parties.
Actually, I didn't say the Republicans who voted against it were 'evil partisans'. I said they had their reasons too. Mostly due to some misguided view that the deal equalled socialism.
All I was pointing out was that there were misgivings on both the left and right about this bailout, and to solely place the 'blame' at the feet of Pelosi was wrong.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:28 PM
lol it will pass on wednesday? how many more days of this do you think McCain can handle?
Im telling you Texas in play by the end of the week and my god we havent even had the Palin debate yet
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:29 PM
lol! :D Texas is a stretch but that would be hilarious.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:31 PM
I am not use to saying this but I agree with Boom
"Yep, the Democrats and the MSM will blame this failure on the Republcans, BUT
About 75% of Americans are AGAINST THIS BILL! That means they will APPROVE of the party tht killed it."
I cannot believe this. A $700bn bailout failed that’s $700bn that would be flushed down the toilet to bail investment bankers who styled themselves as "masters of the universe." (That universe of course imploded as it should have one cannot fully control market forces in capitalism) and you all are complaining about the other side killing this monstrosity like that is a bad thing.
It failed, Wall Street will have to fix their own mess through market forces and the taxpayers will not have to pay a $700bn "masters of the universe" tax. The way I see it this is pretty good except for the fact that we will see a correction that we would have had to face down the road anyway and we probably should have faced a while ago.
So my two cents is to thank the 228 responsible members of the House of Representatives.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:36 PM
The REAL REASON this bill failed:
"Chuck Todd on MSNBC right now: "Every member in a tough race voted 'no'.""
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:40 PM
For all those talking about the "700 B bailout bill" ... I just want to say that this bill is radioactive ... I also think that this is a "trap" for many politicians and will be used (mainly by Republicans) to point fingers at the opposition (specially in congressional battlegrounds) ... I think that the safest thing to do is to vote against it ... so many politicians have done so ... if you look at the number of "against" (nay) votes, it may impress you the large numbers on both sides of the aisle ... particularly on the Republican side ... it tells me the following :
1. Many voters do not like this bill and few politicians are willing to stand in front of the upcoming train ...
2. Many Republicans politicians (specially those in tight races) are not willing to loose their seats for their president ...
3. It does not matter what happens, there will be finger pointing in both directions ... expect a lot of spin out of this one ...
4. McCain is in trouble ... he said that he would deliver, and he didn't ...
What do you think ??
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:46 PM
I'm not sure that I share in your agreement with Boomshak, but I share your sentiment that the 'failure' might not be a bad thing. At the least it should mean more protections for ordinary Americans and more Congressional oversight of the unprecedented powers asked for will be put in place when the bill inevitably does become law.
Whomever wins will face a massive difficulty, given that the finances of the US are in what can only be described as a mess. Bush's policies of massive tax cuts for the richest potions of society, with the hope that wealth will trickle-down have utterly failed. All that happens when tax-reductions for the rich are introduced is that the rich get richer.
Bush has transformed the largest surplus in US history into the largest deficit in US history, and this is before the bailout is factored in at all.
Posted on September 29, 2008 3:56 PM
I agree, Reaganomics and Bushnomics consist solely of Borrow, spend, and cut taxes on the obscenely wealth. I have several friends who are multimillionaires and they agree Bush's tax plan is a joke even though it saves them a bundle.
This deficit is the greatest problem we face today the flood started with Reagan's voodoo economics and needs to end with Bush.
Posted on September 29, 2008 4:05 PM
Sweet lordie, look at Rasmussen's poll of the major issues:
War on Iraq
Balance Fed Budget
Negotiate Trade Agreements
The way it's trending folks is that McSame's last chance may be for Sarah to give Joey a lap dance on Thursday!
Posted on September 29, 2008 4:07 PM
Meanwhile, Obama is up 23 on InTrade
Posted on September 29, 2008 4:47 PM
BOOMSHAK'S OFFICAL POSITION ON THE BAIL-OUT BUST:
OCCAM'S RAZOR: "All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best..."
Since we have seen thus far that economic instability benefits Obama, and because most Americans tend to be very linear thinkers, I think today's bailout failure probably benefits Obama.
Not that it should as there is plenty of blame to go around in this financial crisis. Historically, however, Americans have always blamed the party in the White House when the economy is bad.
VERDICT: Big undeserved winner for Obama.
ON THE OTHER HAND:
Why did this bill REALLY fail? Because the American People, by far, wanted it to fail. Since the Republicans voted against it more than Democrats, will this benefit Republicans?
Hard to say. Any benefit to Republicans here may be clearly offset by the blame they get for the economy as a whole.
They will eventually pass something close to this bill later this week and all will be well.
P.S., Everyone is freaked out about a bill "costing the American taxpayer $700 billion, blah, blah, blah..."
Today's stock market selloff cost Americans $1 TRILLION DOLLARS, and we don't own any valuable mortgages for our trouble.
Anyway, they'll pass this turkey in some revised form later this week and the markets will rally back. In the meantime, Obama probably benefits.
Call your broker tomorrow and buy some stock.
Posted on September 29, 2008 6:00 PM
75% of Americans aren't against this now. They may have been before the free fall that happened in afternoon trading, but they're not against it now. And if we free fall again tomorrow, the rescue plan will be the most popular bill in the history of the country. 777 points already, with the distinct possibility of another 750 tomorrow. Or roughly 15% of the value of the market.
And McCain is so out of touch that he was taking credit for the bill's passing just this morning. Maybe instead of getting out there and trying to spin this to prop up his failing campaign, maybe he should have gotten a count from the minority whip.
Spin away. Bush, the GOP and McCain are going to get blamed.
Posted on September 29, 2008 6:11 PM
Anything can happen, but those 12 Republicans, by not voting for this bill, may have just given the White House and Total Power in Washington to the Democrats.
Foolish and shortsighted. But what else is new.
Oue entire government is being run by retarded 5 year olds on BOTH sides of the aisle.
Posted on September 29, 2008 6:24 PM
@Boomshak: "About 75% of Americans are AGAINST THIS BILL!"
So the US is now being governed by Polls?
Posted on September 29, 2008 7:02 PM
@Boom and richibr
First off those 1 trillion dollars did not exist in the first place. Neither would the 700bn dollars have existed. That is exactly the problem people and the US government have been spending and speculating with money they don’t have and now it is time for a correction. Just like in any other panic the money does not exist except on balance sheets and that is why people panic. A country cannot keep borrowing money to keep the good times rolling. They tried that in Brazil in the 1970s and had a dictator in the 1980s because the economy got so horrific. A bailout will work for a short time and eventually market forces will crush you. The business cycle is not something one can tame with bailouts or get rid of corrections happen, its part of capitalism.
Posted on September 29, 2008 7:54 PM
Republicans are crying crocodile tears about 700 billion dollars after running up trillions of debt in the past 8 years. They are worrying about socializing the economy when they have been borrowing and borrowing trillions spending money and going into debt like a bunch of crack heads, pretending you can keep cutting taxes without leveling with the American people about their extreme recklessness. Going into a a trillion dollar 4000(American)death (tens of thousands seriously injured) war for no damn reason and lying about it. Our only hope is for Obama to get the ideologues out of the government and get the professionals back in, to move the budget back toward equilibrium and get our troops home from Iraq. In 8 years the Republican hypocrites have savaged America. No wonder the polls are trending away from McCain. People are starting to see what's happening to the country and who did it.
Posted on September 29, 2008 9:51 PM
Posted on September 29, 2008 9:53 PM
I think Obama isheavily underpolled in Montana. This is a state with a very popular Democratic governor and two Democratic senators. Mike Mansfield and Pat Williams are still very popular here. The population centers, with the exception of Billings and Great Falls, are very democratic- Helena, Missoula, Butte, Bozeman. There are lots of wealthy liberals moving into the state. There is also a large (in proportion to the population) university population. The Indian reservations are very excited about Obama. Finally, McCain's oppostion to Amtrak is very unpopular in the hi-line communities.
Posted on September 29, 2008 11:57 PM
Has anyone noticed that Obama is not really doing much to come up with a plan or even being around the action in Washington to push for the bill to be passed. He doesn't have a specific agenda on the bailout, is not around the action to work on it, but flying around the country playing the blame-game politics without offering solution or being an active part of it. Where is his ability and willingness to reach across, or even within, the isle to get things done? Too busy playing politics?
Posted on September 30, 2008 1:30 AM
The amount of human suffering caused by Republican ideologues is beyond all calculation. Dems have made their share of bonehead mistakes, but starting with Reagan the R's have become the party of master-of-the-universe A-holes (and A-hole wannabe's) masqerading as patriots.
Let's make Bush the last Republican president for a long, long time.
Posted on September 30, 2008 1:48 AM
You know, I am constantly amazed.
In 2006, Democrats ran saying the SAME EXACT THING they are saying now "elect us and we will CHANGE everything".
Well, we elected you and now that everything has gone to sh*t, you tell us we can't give you any credit, it is all the Republicans fault.
You are the party in power and NOTHING is your fault? You head every single committee and NOTHING is your fault?
Excuse me, but what the f*ck do you people do all day in these committees where after two years, NOTHING you have done matters?
If Obama does win, how long into his term will you people on the left STILL be blaming Republicans for everything? Will we be 3 years in and still be hearing about "The Bush Economy"?
Posted on September 30, 2008 2:58 AM
During the vote today, 5 Democrat Committee Chairmen voted 'no'. Committee Chairmen people. Voted 'no'. But the bill failed because of Republicans?
You should be ashamed.
Posted on September 30, 2008 3:01 AM
boomshak has never heard of filibusters, cloture votes and veto's apparently.
Posted on September 30, 2008 11:16 AM
The problem is that Bush and Paulson won't "fess" up to the fact that the problem is untradeable derivatives. These complicated creatures where created by PHD mathematicians to enable high stakes gambling on mortgages. In time the size of the gambling outstripped the mortgage market itself. Right now some bettors are winning and some are losing. But because depositors (just think of them as backers) are panicking and withdrawing their money before the cards can be dealt. This causes winners to become losers and losers stay losers which multiplies the total losses. If Paulson had just explained this and showed us how that these securities eventually pay off and where they get their money, I think that would reduced the panic. But by "simplifying" the explanation, they created a scenario that virtually nobody bought. They emphasized the consequences instead of the cause. It's like they don't want to own up to the fact that it was gambling by financial institution that got us into this mess. They would rather lay it off on bankrupt homeowers.
Posted on September 30, 2008 11:53 AM
If all of congress had voted like the democratic party then this bill would have passed.
I don't believe that Repulicans voted as they did just to spite Pelosi ... that's too simplistic (and demonizing).
This recent one vote control of congress is just enough to allow the minority party the ability to stall any and all majority sponsored legistation. What does go through can be vetoed by the (minority) president. This is not control by the majority party. We had that for ther first 6 of the last 8 years. It does, however, seem that the writing is on the wall for the minority party.
Please recall that current president inherited a bugdet surplus, that Alan Greenspan advised against the policy of printing more and more money for all of us to share (gee, if we all have more pieces of paper then it's worth less ... note: 1 USD used be equal to 1 Euro, back in the good old days 8 years ago). He was also very concerned about the 100% loan deal flyers being hung from everyone's front doors, He was also pro-regulation. At this time, every American now owes about $88,000 (mostly to China). That's before the bailout.
I think all presidents should be required to take Economics 101, 201 and 301. If they don't pass with an A average send them back to class.
Had our current "C" student president paid a little more attention in class, then ______(you fill in blank).
Now Republicans want to elect a new president who said he could have done better in Economics. Go figure ...
Posted on September 30, 2008 6:03 PM
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