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US: Obama 50, McCain 42 (Hotline 10/24-26)

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Diageo/Hotline
10/24-26, 08; 879 LV 3.6%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

National
Obama 50, McCain 42

 

Comments
OGLiberal:

McSurge!!!!!

+4 Dem party ID advantage, which is probably low. And then there's this:

"For the first time ever McCain and Obama are tied on the question of who's more prepared to lead. A week ago (10/20), McCain was ahead on this question by 8 pts."

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Trosen:

Flatline.. with a few added stingers for McCain for good measure..

Obama/Biden: 50%
McCain/Palin: 42%
Undec: 5%

--For the first time ever McCain and Obama are tied on the question of who's more prepared to lead. A week ago (10/20), McCain was ahead on this question by 8 pts.

--Congressional Democrats have expanded their lead over Republicans on the generic ballot question, with Democrats now up by 10 pts. 47-37%. On 10/20, Democrats had a 5 pt. lead.

--The number of voters who say they've cast early ballots continues to rise with 15% of the sample now saying they have already voted.

Today's Diageo/Hotline tracking poll, conducted 10/24-26 by FD, surveyed 879 LVs and has a margin of error of +/- 3.6%. Party ID Breakdown for the sample is 41%D, 37%R, 18%I.

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orange24:

Steady as she goes. Tick-Tick-Tick-Tick...

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MichaelJason:

This is Boomshak's favorite poll LOL

FAIL

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JCK:

This was Boom's favorite poll, until it stopped tightening. Now he loves Ras and (can you believe it?) DailyKos/R2000.

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BarackO'Clinton:

"Drill, baby, drill! Drill, baby, drill!

Even though there is a limited supply of fossil fuel and we need to find alternative sources of energy, and Sarah Palin should know this since she's an 'energy expert' despite the fact that she's also a creationist and would have a hard time explaining how a 6,000 year old dead dinosaur can turn into a puddle of oil."

Drill, baby, drill! Drill, baby, drill!"

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Kile Thomson:

McCain Surge Continues... !!!

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NW Patrick:

Tick tock tick tock. 5 business days to go!

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laguna_b:

T. Boone Pickens rightly pointed out to make up for the 12 million barrels of oil/day that we import, we would have to outproduce Saudi Arabia (by my estimates that would be by 3X min). The problem is that owuld depelete every drop of US oil in the ground in about 4 years....then ZERO.
This includes ANWR, off the coast , everything!

The age of oil is OVER. alternative Energy the only way to go....solar, wind, geothermal, unlimited

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Trosen:

Woo-hoo. Dow's up.. Unfortunately, (for all of us) it won't last.

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paradski:

no movement = McCain loses another day.

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sunnymi:
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NW Patrick:

WOW. McCain, per RAS, up FIVE in...Wait for it... A R I Z O N A. What does this tell you? McCain's in deep trouble nationally.

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NW Patrick:

Wow Obama with a 16 pt. swing in McCain's home state. LANDSLIDE IS COMING.

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Trosen:

So in one month, McCain down 8 and Obama up 8 in McCain's home state... wow. boom was right.. That IS dramatic movement in Ras.

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JCK:

McCain is in deep, deep trouble. 3 point movements in a single tracking poll can't help him.

Arizona should be a blowout.

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Inkan1969:

Stu Rothenberg: "Republicans, conservatives and some in the media (who don’t want the competitive race story to end) hang their hopes onto a poll here or there that shows a tight race. Those who want to believe Rasmussen’s national poll showing the presidential race at 4 points or the most recent Hotline survey showing Obama at only 47 percent can certainly do so, but the race is not that tight.

Two recent presidential polls in Florida, one by Fox News/Rasmussen and the other by SurveyUSA, showed McCain ahead in that state within the margin of error. They are more than balanced out in my own mind by a just as recent Republican poll in Florida that has not been released publicly and that showed Obama over the 50 percent mark and beating McCain by 8 points in the state."

http://rothenbergpoliticalreport.blogspot.com/2008/10/its-getting-bleaker-for-mccain-worse.html

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Keep VA Red:

Why voters trust Obama on the economy

By Melanie Scarborough
Examiner Columnist | 10/27/08 9:54 AM

Democrats come in two varieties: rational and irrational. The rational make up the party's base. They are the people voting for the candidate who promises them a larger portion of someone else's paycheck. That is a reasonable act of self-interest, whether or not it’s good public policy.

Irrational Democrats are those who vote against their own best interests. For example, they vote for politicians who protect incompetent teachers, even though that means having to pay to send their own kids to private school. These Democrats cannot be swayed by logic or facts. They believe what they believe because they choose to believe it, not because data or history prove them right.

Irrational Democrats share their guiding philosophy with Jiminy Cricket.

"When you wish upon a star -- makes no difference who you are -- anything your heart desires will come to you."

So, for instance, they believe that gun control will stop crime, even though that is soundly refuted by statistics. They believe that indolent individuals would be eager to work if only there were more jobs programs. No matter how many studies show that spending on education does not correlate with academic achievement (Washington, D.C., ranks third among cities on per-pupil spending; 'nuff said), they vote for the candidate who promises to spend more on education.

For a candidate such as Barack Obama, these people are ripe for the pickin'.

Although, by his own admission, he could not do as a community organizer what he promises to do as president, the irrational Democrats believe Obama when he promises to right all wrongs: fix our education and health care systems, turn our enemies into friends, and bring about world peace.

"If your heart is in your dream, no request is too extreme, when you wish upon a star as dreamers do...."

It escapes them that much of what Obama proposes has been tried and failed. For example, to turn criminals into upstanding citizens, he "will provide job training, substance abuse and mental health counseling to ex-offenders, so that they are successfully re-integrated into society." Such programs have been in place since they were recommended by the Katzenbach Commission in 1967. Has crime gone away?

Even more puzzling, Obama proposes laws already on the books.For the benefit of disabled Americans, “policies must be developed, attitudes must be shaped, and buildings and organizations must be designed to ensure that everyone has a chance to get the education they need and live independently as full citizens in their communities." Has Obama never heard of the Americans with Disabilities Act?

There is the ludicrous, such as his plan to spend $250 million per year to "facilitate the critical work of entrepreneurs in creating start-up companies." So…Obama wants to take more money from people with capital, who start businesses that create jobs, to fund a program to give capital for people to start businesses and create jobs.

There is the wasteful, such as Obama’s plan to spend $25 billion to stop states from making cutbacks in government jobs. By what logic should taxpayers have to continue funding positions that governors and state legislators deem superfluous?

Mostly, there is the unfair. In the name of “economic justice,” socialism confiscates money from people who earn and save and gives it to those who do not. Obama plans to redistribute not only wealth, but time. He will expand the Family and Medical Leave Act to require employers to give parents up to 24 hours of leave each year to attend their children's school activities or “to address domestic violence or sexual assault.”

Why not require that employers give additional leave to workers who want to go home and walk their dogs? There is no fairness in giving three more vacation days to workers who happen to have a child or a maniac at home.

But arguing the efficacy or fairness of Obama’s proposals is lost on most of his supporters. They are convinced beyond reason that putting him in the White House will mean the end of war, illness, hatred, poverty, ignorance, and tooth decay.

“Like a bolt out of the blue, fate steps in and sees you through. When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true.”

Obama won’t make their dreams come true, of course. His platform is the stuff of nightmares. But try telling that to the Jiminy Cricket brigade, wishing mightily upon their Barack star.

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fed:

+5 at home is a little embarrassing, don´t you think?

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carl29:

Compare McCain's numbers in AZ to Obama's in IL:

Rasmussen 10/13 - 10/13 Obama 56% McCain 39%

McCain in AZ:

Rasmussen 10/26 - 10/26 Obama 51% McCain 46%

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Schadenfreude:

I keep hearing about a lot of state polls coming, but I'm not seeing them.

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carl29:

I'm sorry:

McCain in AZ:

Rasmussen 10/26 - 10/26 Obama 46% McCain 51%

*McSame is already in bad shape for me to make it worse :-)

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boomshak:

And while every other poll shows Obama's lead in full collapse, Hotline holds steady.

Right. Has there ever been a more clueless pollster? Isn't this the tracking poll that has made 5 and 6 points leaps in opposite directions from day-to-day? The poll that is sponsored by a booze distributor?

Nope, ignore these guys. Useless poll.

Moving big to McCain today:

GWU/Battlefield
Zogby
Rasmussen

OBAMA TODAY IN OHIO:
"I'm really not a socialist, I just constantly say things that a soclialist would say..."

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abraxaf:

FOX/RASMUSSEN
CO,FL,MO,NC,OH,VA

will be out at 6 EST.

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Viperlord:

So boom couldn't take the heat, and decided to attack one of his former favorite polls instead?

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JCK:

@schaden

Rasmussen is releasing a slew (CO, MO, FL, VA, NC, and OH) of state polls at 6 PM Eastern time today.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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Kile Thomson:

Keep VA Red

VA will be blue

LOL

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paradski:

GWU didn't move either Mr. Boom

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JCK:

@schaden

Rasmussen is releasing a slew (CO, MO, FL, VA, NC, and OH) of state polls at 6 PM Eastern time today.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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Viperlord:

Socialism: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008

Because we all know socialists are near the center.

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jonny87:

early voting page anyone?

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Schadenfreude:

Thx. That's a long time to wait.

Been a long time since i got this caught up in an election.

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Kile Thomson:

Boomshak is a lier

posting fake Obama quotes

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Dana Adini:

early voting Florida about 27% of 2004 total already cast.....Dems +4.7%.

The number are great in NC, NV, NM, Iowa where DEms have outvoted GOP 2-1

http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

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fed:
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jonny87:

@dana

thanks

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Viperlord:

Boom****: http://www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.htm

Care to explain why socialists like Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson, and Bill Clinton were better for the debt than conservatives like you?

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fed:

Early voting in FL is looker better for Obama now

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AlanSnipes:

Just about a week to go. Let's keep our focus on the big picture, which is: Work hard, get out the vote and defeat ALL Republicans.
We must destroy the Republican Party. They never do anything good for anyone, even the rich are now suffering under their econmy.

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drdr:

McCain is still up in AZ. Plus he will probably hang on to WY, UT, ID.

Looks like he is doing much better than Mondale in 1984!

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jonny87:

come on FL dems keep voting!

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sunnymi:
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Pro-America_Anti-America:

Virginia is probably Obama's best fail-safe. If the national numbers "collapse" he is still doing better than his national numbers there.

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zen:


@Boomshack,

Once and for all, can you tell us which poll is your golden poll?

BTW, my golden poll is Gallup Likely model(expanded) whether Obama is up or down.

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Viperlord:

Remember, all these polls are run by evil liberal agents! I wonder what happened to all the boom parodies....

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laguna_b:

SurveyUSA: Obama Stays Ahead in Virginia
A new SurveyUSA poll in Virginia shows Sen. Barack Obama leading Sen. John McCain, 52% to 43%.

Key finding: "Those who tell SurveyUSA they have already voted disproportionately vote for Obama."

Sorry Boom, how ya going to win w/o Va.???

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sunnymi:


This SUSA poll under-polled AA's by 3 points at the least and despite of McCain getting 13% AA he is still 9 behind in VA.

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DCDemocrat:

Viperlord: You said, "So boom couldn't take the heat, and decided to attack one of his former favorite polls instead?" Boom isn't serious in his data analysis. He just wants to rile us up, and as far as I can tell, he does seem to have a modicum of success in that effort. It would drive him to utter despair were we not to react to him. (But that's not going to happen either.)

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Ryguy:

oh no! boomshak says that obamas poll numbers are in a complete collapse! we are doomed! oh wait didnt he say that last week? and the week before that? and the week before that? and the week before that? and the week before that? and the week before that? and the week before that?

no... must just be my imagination... we're doomed!

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mac_1103:

...every other poll shows Obama's lead in full collapse...

Moving big to McCain today:

GWU/Battlefield
Zogby
Rasmussen

So much for factual accuracy.

GWU/Battleground unchanged
Zogby also unchanged (both guys +1, actually)
Rasmussen did move toward McCain

One out of three ain't bad, I guess. Hard to see anything you'd call a "full collapse", though.

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Viperlord:

DCDemocrat: True, but he's my favorite troll, they make such good pets.

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Mister H.:

"@Boomshack, Once and for all, can you tell us which poll is your golden poll?"


I can answer that one for you. It's whatever poll happens to show a shift in McCain's favor, regardless of who did the poll.

A Kindergarden class in "No Name" USA could do a straw poll...and if it happened to benefit McCain in any way, to Boomshak, that would be clear, overwhelming evidence that "A McCain surge is inevitable."

I'm not kidding. His "golden poll" shifts consistently throughout the week, sometimes even during the SAME DAY!

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sunnymi:


The average of the 4 polls out of VA today so far leads to an average of O+9..there is at least one more left to go (from Rasmussen) from the state for the day.

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abraxaf:

I'm pretty sure that at different times boomshak has referred to every single tracking poll as both the best and worst one out there.

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laguna_b:

If early voters disproportionately voted for Obama it tells us two things:

1) Those not yet voted are unenthusiastic or unsure.
2) Even those leaning for McCain are susceptible to voting Obama.....Obama has already locked in many who can no longer change.

Does anyone see a realistic strategy for 270 McCain w/o Va.????

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JCK:

I'm really not sure which polls can possibly give the Reps much hope:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/

The tie in FL, a state McCain absolutely has to win for any chance victory?

The two MO polls, showing a tie and O+2, a state that few were predicting would be competitive?

Five national polls showing Obama with a +3 to +8 lead?

O +4 or +5 in NV, NH, NC, and OH?

FOUR polls showing Obama at +7, +8, +9, and +11 in VA??

I guess McCain can take comfort in the +13 poll in MS, the +6 poll in IN, and the +10 poll in WV.

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sunnymi:


Boomshak's 'golden' poll for the day should be the 'liberal-biased' R2K/DKos poll (especially given its single day number last night!) :-)

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NW Patrick:

Bottom Line from Gallop.

With only one week left in Campaign 2008, history is on the side of Barack Obama. It would be unusual -- although not unprecedented -- to see his recent 7- to 9-point leads among registered voters and 4- to 7-point leads among traditional likely voters shrink enough between now and the election to put the presidency within McCain's reach.

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Viperlord:

Nope. Simply not possible. And who needs golden polls when you have FiveThirtyEight?

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mac_1103:

Why don't the HTML tags ever work right on this site? My last post was supposed to look like this:

"...every other poll shows Obama's lead in full collapse...

Moving big to McCain today:

GWU/Battlefield
Zogby
Rasmussen"

So much for factual accuracy.

GWU/Battleground unchanged
Zogby also unchanged (both guys +1, actually)
Rasmussen did move toward McCain

One out of three ain't bad, I guess. Hard to see anything you'd call a "full collapse", though.

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NW Patrick:

What's shocking to me is how Obama has "quietly" gone under the radar in OH. Up over 6% on average now! If Rasmussen shows an OH lead it will only confirm the HUGE leads other pollsters have been showing.

RCP Average 10/16 - 10/26 -- -- 49.9 43.9 Obama +6.0

Reuters/Zogby 10/23 - 10/26 600 LV 4.1 50 45 Obama +5
Politico/InAdv 10/22 - 10/22 408 LV 5.0 52 42 Obama +10
Ohio Newspaper Poll 10/18 - 10/22 886 LV 3.3 49 46 Obama +3
Big10 Battleground 10/19 - 10/22 564 LV 4.2 53 41 Obama +12
CNN/Time 10/19 - 10/21 737 LV 3.5 50 46 Obama +4

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fox:

boomshak is the comic relief of pollster.com

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TuftsPat:

The sad thing is that I wasn't so hyped about Obama until John McCain went all crazy neo-con and then chose Palin. As a liberal libertarian and converted Hillary supporter, that was just the end of it for me.

Then I studied more about Barack and realized what an excellent choice he was, and now I am in full-dedication and obsession mode.

We're doing this.

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McShame:

My guess is Gallup will tighten too. I hope Obama responds to McCain's attacks and gets back on the offensive. The attacks by the ReThugs are only going to get worse.

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Jordan - San Marcos TX:

If AZ is tightening like that McCain has no chance in 3/4ths of the U.S. Bush's approval rating in the last Rasmussen poll was 37%...in Texas. The GOP is screwed, their only consolation prize is the deep south and a few Great Plains states, with TX being the only won with a lot of EVs.

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mrzookie:

Lots of talk about AZ. It's a distraction (albeit a fun one), just like ND, SD, GA, WV, MT etc. They're not going blue this cycle. Eye on the ball: VA, CO, NM, NH. Outstanding progress this time around, but MO, IN and probably NC will go home to the GOP - time to phase out efforts there. Eye on the ball: VA, CO, NM, NH. OH and FL are serving their purposes very, very well - tie up the opposition on defense. They may even flip and that would be GREAT but.... Eye on the ball: VA, CO, NM, NH. Ups and downs in the National polls are fun but the election isn't won on national popular vote ... Eye on the ball: VA, CO, NM, NH. Just 7 more days to go... Eye on the ball: VA, CO, NM, NH... Eye on the ball: VA, CO, NM, NH.

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zen:


Looks like national poll is tightenning in the last weekend.
However, the weekend Poll for Pa, VA, CO (key swing states) are stronger than last week.

JFK and Nixon (1968) won popular vote by less than 1 percent and still got more than 300 EV.

So even if the national poll is tie on election day, Obama will win EV, so Presidency.

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KMartDad08:

Not that I would ever accuse Boom of being reasonable, but if he wants to hang his hat onto one poll that can be said to be reliably flawed in McCain's favor, it would have to be IBD/TIPP--its model is seriously wacked, and if any poll will show McCain in a good light, it would be that one.

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joethedummer:

as usual by midweek obama will be up to his usual 8 point lead across the board and most likely will push it to 9 with the huge tv spot wed.

ho hum, every monday we go through this with boomcrap! lol! fun fun fun

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tar_heel:

Obama UP in Gallup for a 10 point lead in both their RV and LV (expanded) model--O 53 M 43. LV traditional unchanged

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mysticlaker:

gallup

rv 52-42 O+1
lv e 53-43 O+1
LV t - 50-45 nc

mccain surge is confirmed.

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jonny87:

didnt expect that from gallup

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angrytoxicologist:

details:

Gallup
RV O+10
LV (exp) O+10
LV (trad) O+5

vs previous
RV O+1
LV (exp) O+1
LV (trad) no change

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ZanzibarBuckBuckMcFate:

Huh, Obama went up in two of the dailies for Gallup, stayed the same in the other. So much for the epic collapse.

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MDB1974:

Gallup
RV and LV expanded both at o+10. LV traditional remains at O+5

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

I wasn't expecting movement in likely traditional since its already at O+5. Surprised at movement elsewhere though.

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mysticlaker:

This is that statistical tie boom has promised me from gallup. praise jesus.

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zombieflanders:

Perhaps I’m being too cavalier, but the triumphalism of the right wing (i.e., “HOLY CRAPZOR!!! This is the end of the Obama campaign!!!!”) over the “new” “socialist” remarks from WBEZ seems monumentally stupid to me. After all, Obama said the exact same thing two weeks ago—explicitly and on-camera, instead of vaguely and when he was unknown like the “new” stuff—and it was repeated ad nauseum through the debates and TV ads watched by millions, but it failed to do much, if anything, to help McCain.

Do they somehow believe that these same people will wake up and magically go “Wow! I totally didn’t believe this two weeks ago when it was in the media 24/7, but doggone it, this changes everything!”?

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sunnymi:


Gallup Daily Tracker

Gallup Daily: Race Stable With Obama Leading

Registered Voters
Obama - 52
McCain - 42

LV (traditional)
Obama - 50
McCain - 45

LV(Expanded)
Obama - 53
McCain - 43

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wotan:

In a little bit, pollster.com should post the result of the Gallup Daily Tracker, which has the race as unchanged from Sunday: Obama +5 with the traditional LV model and +10 with the expanded LV model.

I am sure boonshak thinks George Gallup was a socialist, but this poll tells it like it reads it.

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sunnymi:


Gallup: Late Upsets Are Rare, but Have Happened

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111451/Late-Upsets-Rare-Happened.aspx

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Chenna:

Gallup Poll out:

RV
O-52
M-42

LV(expanded)
O-53
M-43

LV(traditional)
O-50
M-45

Looks like things are pretty steady.

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whoshotsam:

Gallup always zigs when you's expect it to zag. Another false dawn for the McCainiacs.

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

@zombieflanders

I too have noticed this. They are already bluntly calling him a socialist and "spreading the wealth around" is already their slogan. I don't see how a longer more ambiguous interview would help.

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Michael:

That's Obama +1 on both the RV and Expanded LV from yesterday, with the Trad LV unchanged. Not good for McCain 1-week out.

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ricbrig:

Gallup widening again is not a very good thing. With such high numbers it is more likely to reduce the advantage rather than the opposite. So for istance, tomorrow if Gallup goes a bit down we will be forced to hear boom and his happy trolling company screaming: Surge for McCain!!
But on the other hand, it gives them a bit of happy illusion before the 4th.

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NW Patrick:

YAWN. Obama will go into election day with a polling average of about 6%. Bush went into election day on '04 + 1.5. Enough said.

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

@ricbrig

You make a good point because every time Obama gets a unusually high lead he is setting himself up for downward movement and when it happens people jump on it without waiting a bit to see the trends. Downward movement does not mean that the whole momentum of the race is swinging.

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NW Patrick:

American's minds are made up. Steady for the next 5 business days. Big polls coming out at 3PM. Will RAS confirm the big O Ohio leads?

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NW Patrick:

This jumping all over down or up movement in 1 day cracks me up. Polls taken over 3 days, each day they interview a whole new set of 3000 people. Answers will vary. What hasn't varied? Obama leading every single day for 30 plus days. It's over as I've said for several weeks.

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gregdeveer:

Colorado and Virginia.

That's all that really matters at this point. If Obama wins either of those it's over. He's up in both. The only other one I keep tabs on is PA, since McCain is making such a fuss over it.

The polls are tightening nationally as expected. I don't like it but in the end it's all about CO and VA I think.

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laguna_b:

This is a process of 2 steps forward, one back for Obama....we are so terrified of screwy McCain destroying what is left of the country that we spend way too much time worrying over the one step back......of course that is ALL Boom sees.

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angrytoxicologist:

looking at the national chart what may be happening here is that as time goes on, McCain is locking in some undecideds (and frankly, any undecideds in this race, at this point, are people he counted on having locked up a long time ago) but Obama's support has not flagged; in fact, it has continued to slowly climb. So it is tightening, but it's from McCain's stonger move upward. With Obama at 50% or above, this means little to the overall predicted outcome.

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maddiekat:

This is an explanation why only McLiar, Drudge the Sludge, Limpig, Hannity Insanity and Boom**** think this Obama tape is important.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnewser/2008/10/obama-mccain-an.html

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NW Patrick:

How are the polls tightening? 1 week ago, Obama was +4 in RAS. Today +1. Is this the big McCain movement. BIG PICTURE folks. Obama up 7% on average nationally.

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fed:

I don´t think Ras will show Obama leading in OHio, they have to give fox some talking points. And if the polls were made yesterday, it seems it was not a good polling day in Ras for Obama

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ricbrig:

Pro-America:
I'm not sure how much these national polls are worthy of being (over)analysed at this point. Obama at about 50% can only lose some soft support. I find very unlikely that he could gain anymore. What gives you a better measure is probably Nate's model or RCP one, which show (using a conservative estimate) a flattening of averaged polls numbers. If no major happenings will steer the rudder, all is left is groundwork. I don't know how much the national polls can measure that.

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political_junki:

@NW Patrick:
Even Bigger picture: Obama atleast +8 in last 6 polls in VA.
Kerry states + IA + VA >270.
OH,FL,NC,NV,CO will be needed only if Obama doesnt win VA, which he will. National polls could become a tie and still win since in Kerry states, IA and VA he is 3 points atleast ahead of national polls.

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MichaelJason:

LOL... WOW.... I didn't expect that jump from Gallup, but BAM!

See ya in 2012 BOOM!

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DTM:

@zombieflanders

To understand these people, I think you have to understand that they just don't believe a liberal politician could truly enjoy popular support. So, they have basically convinced themselves that Obama (in cahoots with the "mainstream liberal media") has just fooled the American people into not bothering to think about whether Obama is liberal. Accordingly, they believe that all they have to do is somehow pull back the curtain and reveal Obama as a liberal, and then they will automatically win the election.

So, for example, they simply cannot believe the American people have already heard their "socialism" arguments and rejected them, basically because they cannot believe the American people wouldn't go for those arguments. Instead, they have convinced themselves that somehow the argument still hasn't gotten out, and their hope is these latest reports will break through this invisible wall protecting Obama from their killer arguments. And again, any evidence to the effect it is the substance of their arguments that is failing to persuade is summarily rejected, because it is an article of faith for them that a liberal politician cannot possibly be popular.

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mysticlaker:

http://www.maristpoll.marist.edu/

OBAMA MAINTAINS DOUBLE-DIGIT LEAD AMONG
LIKELY VOTERS IN THE HAWKEYE STATE:
With about one week to go until Election Day, 48% of registered voters in Iowa support Senator Obama compared with 40% for Senator McCain. Among likely voters, Obama receives 52% to McCain’s 42%. In a Marist Poll conducted last month, 51% of likely voters supported Barack Obama compared with 41% for McCain.

NEW HAMPSHIRE:

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CANDIDATES LOCKED IN TIGHT RACE...
OBAMA EDGES MCCAIN AMONG LIKELY VOTERS:
Senator Barack Obama has a narrow lead over Senator McCain among likely voters including those who are undecided yet leaning toward a candidate. Obama receives 50% to McCain’s 45% among these voters. Neither candidate has statistically gained nor lost ground in the state. In last month’s Marist Poll, 51% of likely voters said they supported Obama while McCain had the backing of 45%.

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NextAmericanChapter:

THE CONQUERING OF VIRGINIA

You've got to admire the way Obama has outflanked McCain in the South, especially VA, NC and GA. Virginia in particular has settled as a solid blue state with dire implications for the GOP in the presidential, senatorial and congressional races.

Four VA polls out today give Obama an average of +9 points. The anecdotes streaming out of VA are dominated by gushing admiration for Obama's ground-game in the state.

Obama supporters...keep fighting hard!!!

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sunnymi:

@fed, you said "I don´t think Ras will show Obama leading in OHio, they have to give fox some talking points. And if the polls were made yesterday, it seems it was not a good polling day in Ras for Obama"

Ras always does single-day polling and the ones he release Monday @ 6PM are typically done on Sunday (yesterday)....As such I am not expecting good numbers either on those polls.

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ricbrig:

@DTM
You Said: 'To understand these people, I think you have to understand that they just don't believe a liberal politician could truly enjoy popular support.'
I would further and saying that they don't believe that a liberal politicial is legitimate to be in charge. This opens up serious questions about the concept of democracy of this people and truly their deepest thoughts about freedom of choice.

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lhtk:

Hasn't there also been a pattern of a slight tightening of polls over weekends and then they expand again a bit during the week? I thought more than one commenter had shown that to be the case.

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ThisLandIsMyLand:

Redistribution of wealth is WHAT TAXES DO! That's the whole point of taxation. We have been redistributing wealth the entire history of this country. The question is WHO benefits. Under republicans it's the super rich and corporations, under democrats it is the middle class, working americans, our children (education), the elderly (social security), the environment, and our quality of life (infrastructure, public works, heal care). It's not a question of WHETHER to redistribute, and in fact the "spending" that McCain talks about has never been more out of control than under Bush. It's just that Bush is spending on subsidies for corporations and on a multi-billion dollar vanity war.

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thoughtful:

@NW Patrick

If Rasmussen does poll Obama with a decent lead this time in Ohio, then the fat lady is very clearly clearing her throat as Rasmussen every week polls more in McCain's favor. Kept the average down nearly single handedly.

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ErixFilmWorks:

Gallup Poll Monday, October 27, 2008
Obama 52% Registered Voters
McCain 42% Registered Voters

Obama 53% Expanded Likely Voters
McCain 43% Expanded Likely Voters

Obama 50% Traditional Likely Voters
McCain 45% Traditional Likely Voters

Steady she goooooeeeessssss...
Even if you submit to the existence of the Bradley effect (in election '08), Obama maintains a very healthy lead.

In the more important state polls of the battleground states, Obama holds (almost universally) a lead of 3 points or more in Ohio Obama 49.9 McCain 45.0, Virginia Obama 51.8 McCain 43.6, North Carolina Obama 49.3 McCain 46.3, Colorado Obama 51.3 McCain 44.6, Nevada Obama 49.3 McCain 45.5 and North Dakota Obama 44.9 McCain 41.3. Obama also has a slight edge in Missouri Obama 48.4 McCain 46.5 & Florida Obama 47.3 McCain 46.3.

At the current state of the race (with Obama very comfortably holding states totaling 264 electoral votes), all he needs to do to win the presidency is win ONE of the EIGHT states I listed above -- HE ONLY NEEDS TO WIN 1 OF THESE 8 STATES IN ORDER TO WIN THIS ELECTION! Lets not get cocky now, lets help him win that ONE state!

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pbcrunch:

lhtk:

Yes, there has been a "tightening" in the polls every weekend. Sometimes it's been relatively extreme (3-5%) but the tightening seems to effect different polls each week so it can be easily discounted as statistical noise.

And every time, the McCain dead-enders scream "OMG!!! Look, Obama's lead is collapsing!!!" They disappear by Thursday.

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sunnymi:

@lhtk, you said "Hasn't there also been a pattern of a slight tightening of polls over weekends and then they expand again a bit during the week? I thought more than one commenter had shown that to be the case."

Yes, most of the time it has favored McCain....Mid to late in the week has been best for Obama on the national trackers.

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logic001:

Palin's short term thinking on energy is simply inexcusable. The data on fossil fuel supplies, decreasing EROI (energy return on investment) and decreasing daily flow rates for new oil sources, etc. etc. is extremely well documented and very accessible to people of average or better intelligence. As oilman T. Boone Pickens put it, "this is one crisis we can't drill our way out of."

McCain, I can excuse for advanced old age. I'd like to think that McCain 40 years would have understood the numbers around today's massive energy problem. But Palin...she's just dumb, or willfully ignorant. Either way she's unacceptable.

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BOOMFAIL:

from 2001 -- with John McCain:

Audience member: "Why is it that someone like my father who goes to school for 13 years gets penalized in a huge tax bracket because he's a doctor." McCain: "I think it's to some degree because we feel obviously that wealthy people can afford more." Audience member: "Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism?' McCain: "Here's what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there's nothing wrong with paying somewhat more."

What a socialist.

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southern angler:

This is Gallup's way of saying "hey we were only kidding about Obama's lead, join the conservatives if you want to be with a winner.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/111451/Late-Upsets-Rare-Happened.aspx

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DTM:

@ricbrig

Indeed, and there is a real cognitive dissonance here with these people on the one hand believing the American people agree with them on substance, but on the other licensing their candidate's lying about substance, attempts to make elections about personality and not substance, attempts to suppress voting, and so on.

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tjampel:

EXPLODING HEAD ALERT!

From Ras:

John McCain’s lead over Barack Obama is down to just five points in his home state of Arizona. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state finds the Senator leading 51% to 46%.

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boomshak:

It is hilarious to hear the Obama spinmeisters trying to say that Obama only meant "equality in education" when he was talking about "redistribution" in the 2001 tape.

I mean, Holy God, talk about tortured logic.

Isn't it odd that although Obama claims to not be a socialist, he keeps saying these things that keep being "misinterpretted" as socialistic? Isn't it odd that so many of his former associates just happened to be socialists (if not communists)?

He talks like a socialist. He hangs out with socilialists, but don't you dare call him a socilialist.

Pathetic.

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NextAmericanChapter:

MIXED NEWS FROM MINNESOTA

Although the state remains a lock for Obama, the senatorial race has shifted and Coleman (R) is starting to reverse the momentum that Franken (D) had been building over the last few weeks.

The polls notwithstanding, the news on the ground as related by fellow Obama volunteers is that Coleman's decision to dispense away with negative campaigning is starting to pay off. There are even Obama volunteers who are now planning to vote DEM for president but GOP for senator. I'm beginning to doubt that the DEMs will get the 60+ filibuster-proof advantage in the Senate.

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Paul:

From RCP so far today, not listed on pollster.com yet

Arizona: Rasmussen - McCain 51, Obama 46
Virginia: SUSA - Obama 52, McCain 43
Missouri: SUSA - Obama 48, McCain 48
Gallup Traditional - Obama 50, McCain 45
Gallup Expanded - Obama 53, McCain 43
Gallup RV - Obama 52, McCain 52
Iowa: Marist - Obama 52, McCain 42
Virginia: Wash Post Obama 52, McCain 44
NH: Marist - Obama 50, McCain 45
Virginia: VCU - Obama 51, McCain 40
CT: Courant - Obama 56, McCain 31
MS: Press Register McCain 46, Obama 33


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tjampel:

ahh....I see this was already posted. Well that makes 3 polls in 3 days showing McCain up 5 or less in AZ; this is pretty incredible given the Party ID dynamics in that state....what's going on?

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NW Patrick:

southern angler after reading that article that shows statistically it is near impossible for McCain to come back you make a comment like that? WOW. ROFL. Grasping aren't ya? Idiot.

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orange24:

He talks like a socialist. He hangs out with socilialists, but don't you dare call him a socilialist.

Call him whatever you want, boom, as long as you call him Mr. President.

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NW Patrick:

President Barack Obama to you right nuts. Get used to it. Statistics aren't on your side:)

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Dana Adini:

2 new marist polls

NH
O 50
M 45

Iowa
O 52
M 42

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boomshak:

@southern angler:

This is Gallup's way of saying "hey we were only kidding about Obama's lead, join the conservatives if you want to be with a winner.

This is Gallup's signal that he is about to tighten up the race. They always do this. Right before he tightens the race or expands Obama's lead, they telegraph the move with commentary like you see here.

Lol, talk about a pollster playing 4 ends againts the middle, Gallup now has 4 models to chose from:

1. Registered Voters
2. Lively Voters - Expanded
3. Likely Voters - Traditional
4. We could be wrong and McCain could win

Lol, geesh. Make a commitment and stay with it. At this point, no matter what happens, Gallup can say he called hit.

In that light, I can be the best sports gambler ever. "Um, what's the line on, 'Maybe they'll win and maybe they won't?'..."

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NW Patrick:

More "N" words at a recent Palin Ralley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9T0FI2axbU

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ricbrig:

@boom
Keep sticking to 7 to 40 years old issues and you will make the case of the adequacy of the GOP in handling the future.
Obama is wrong is not that McCain is out of touch, you reps all are!

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boomshak:

@Dana Adini:
2 new marist polls

NH
O 50
M 45

Wow, that's too close for comfort for NH for Obama.

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Dana Adini:

boom

you guys are grasping at every outlier any hint of change in the polls....you are so desparate

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NW Patrick:

boomshak a 5 point traditional lead would be a LANDSLIDE. Get ready idiot. It's gonna make me smile knowing you are home STEWING on election day! LOL Party time folks!

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mysticlaker:

nwpatrick

If Obama does not win with 10+ in NH I'll eat my shoe.

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boomshak:

THE WORDS YOU HAVE NOT HEARD FROM BARACK OBAMA IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS:

"I am NOT a Socialist".

The question I am dying to hear asked of Obama from an MSM reporter?

"Senator Obama, can you describe for us why you believe socialism is wrong?..."

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thoughtful:

boomshak

You write about redistribution as though its some kind of sin, as though its a socialist idea.

Were Ronald Reagan or Richard Nixon Socialists?

Even John McCain supported a progressive tax system earlier in the Bush administration, before supporting this regresssive tax regime he now supports.

Consider: The lower income groups spend all their money and more, so the more they have to spend the more dynamic the economy.

Under the Bush years real disposable and just simple average US incomes have contracted ergo lousy economy.

Trickle down doesn't work as well as trickle up in a CAPITALIST society.

Red lipstick pig or blue? one is trickle up capitalism and one is trickle down. The pig is still a capitalst pig.

Get it?

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NW Patrick:

boomshak that's funny. Read up..one of your last posts said he said IM NOT A SOCIALIST... I just say soclialist things... Or were you lying?

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ricbrig:

boom
Arizona Rasmussen
McCain 51, Obama 46 McCain +5

wow too close to comfort for McCain
If you start cherrypicking polls, be warned Obama's supporters have a larger choice

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NW Patrick:

Boom is Bush a socialist? He increased the deficit to the largest in WORLD HISTORY, bought banks, insurance carriers, etc. Bush is a SOCLIALIST! ROFL God you are a ****ing moron.

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Michael:

Why haven't we heard McCain state that he is not a fascist?

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Obama008:

He has said a ton of times he isnt a Socialist.
Boomshak where the hell do you get your news.

You know no idea what a Socialist is.

By the way Bush just did the largest nationalzation (AkA soicalist) of any industary at anytime.

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Obama008:

You have no idea what a Socialist is*

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tar_heel:

wow, boom with another question for Obama that will decide this campaign ;-)

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political_junki:

BOOM:
The question I am dying to hear asked of Obama from an MSM reporter?

You dont have a verygood memory BOOM. Remember you had found another question that you thought would DESTROY Obama?
Turned out somebody had asked him the question already?

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lhtk:

Thanks, pbcrunch and sunnymi.

Boy, even discounting Zogby's numbers (and I'm doing so even though they're very favorable for Obama), it's really remarkable to see the consistently good margins for Obama in VA. Seems to have been that way for weeks now. That's just huge. Do we still have some Obama folks in VA urging extreme caution on these numbers?

Though I also await Ras's numbers later today, I suspect his numbers might "rain on our parade," so to speak, as that's been a real pattern lately; and then other polls on the same states come along in following days which really seem to make Ras appear to have a strong Repub lean. Especially if they're one-day polls, I'm preparing to add a few points to them for Obama.

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NW Patrick:

The words I have no heard from McCain recently - " I AM NOT A WAR MONGER."

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oicu:

Yeah, he hangs out with socialists like Volcker, Rubin, Buffett, Summer, all those revolutionaries. Give me a break. This "socialist" nonsense has as much validity as the wingnut conspiracy theory about him not being a US citizen.

If anything, Obama is likely to be too cautious, not too adventurous. His style is not revolutionary at all, quite the opposite.

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mac7396:

LOL. Arizona is now showing up as lean McCain. What's next to unexpectedly slide towards Obama, Utah?

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laguna_b:

@boomshak

"He talks like a socialist. He hangs out with socilialists, but don't you dare call him a socilialist."

I don't know what socialist Obama is suppossed to hang out with but assuming you are right good on him. Any person (like Palin) whose mind is closed to any thinking is not worthy of my vote. FYI, I have hung out with communists and socialist in Paris. I find thier views fascinating, though in conflict with mine. Minds function best when OPEN.

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boomshak:

so⋅cial⋅ism   /ˈsoʊʃəˌlɪzəm/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [soh-shuh-liz-uhm] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@boomshak

Are you a mouth-breather? Do you like to wear womens underwear when no one is looking? Do you feel that you were somehow inappropriately touched as a small child?

I too can ask stupid questions all day that are so pointless as to be ridiculous. The question I keep coming back to is why do you continue to do it?

Is it cramped in your trailor boom? Do you need a friend? Mommy and daddy not paying you enough attention? Did you get fired from the pizza place?

Epic FAIL!!!

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NextAmericanChapter:

IT'S ABOUT THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE, STUPID

I'm still surprised that folks are fixated on trying to parse national polls. All that you're seeing now from the top pollsters is statistical noise. The national race is currently very stable. All you need to do is go back three weekends and see Obama's performance. If you're rational (and I know that's a stretch for some people here) you'll conclude that nothing much has changed over the past few weeks.

What folks should really be excited about are the state polls which show Obama clobbering McCain in the electoral college race. Folks, this thing isn't even close.

That being said, let's keep up the good fight up to the very end.

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Dan:

Why haven't we heard Cindy McCain deny that she is an Reptilian Alien?
I wonder why the MSM doesn't have the guts to ask that.
What is McCain hiding?

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NW Patrick:

boomshak wow you just described Bush and the recent take overs!

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thoughtful:

boomshak

your interpretation of the gallup poll is as misguided as your understanding of economics.

The basis of socialism is the common ownership of the means of production.

Somehow I don't think Obama believes that the people should own HP, GM, Walmart, Universal Studios etc. Some times you really do surprise me. Very dumb question.

Lets talk about fairness and equal rights and opportunity within the Constitution of the United States of America.

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NW Patrick:

HEY BOOMSHAK. I THOUGHT YOU HAD "Better things to do." GO DO THEM! AHAHAHAA!

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boomshak:

THE QUESTION I WOULD PAY GOOD MONEY TO HEAR OBAMA ASKED:

"Senator Obama, John McCain has accused you of being a Socialist. Many Americans are confused by this and do not really understand exactly what Socialism is.

Can you explain for us briefly the difference between Socialism and Capitalism and why one is better than the other?..."

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tar_heel:

Speaking of Cindy McCain, if the Republicans will persist in their smears of Obama's character and record, why is no one talking about how and why McCain dumped Carol for young, pretty, and wealthy Cindy?

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mago:

@Dwarf

Jeez, what do you have against cross-dressers? Not to mention victims of sexual abuse. To equate an idiot and a liar with these people is really unfair.

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Mister H.:

From Southern Angler: "This is Gallup's way of saying "hey we were only kidding about Obama's lead, join the conservatives if you want to be with a winner."


LMAO!!!

Exactly where in that article does it signify "good news" for the McCain campaign? History is AGAINST HIM!! How is that good news?

Oh, and you glossed over the fact that the original theme of the article was regarding the popular vote, which doesn't directly elect anyway.

You fail. Try again.

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laguna_b:

@boomshak

Thank you for clearing up the definition of socialism. So then since that is not what Obama has EVER proposed I will accept your apology for the mischaracterization of his campaign as being socialist.
He proposed raising taxes on the rich to a level below Reagan....if that is socialist you have not read your own post.

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political_junki:

BOOM:
The question I am dying to hear asked of Obama from an MSM reporter?

You dont have a verygood memory BOOM. Remember you had found another question that you thought would DESTROY Obama?
Turned out somebody had asked him the question already?

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OGLiberal:

@boomshak

People keep calling him a "socialist" and saying that what he says/believes is "socialist" because they don't know what socialism is. And that includes you.

And as others have noted, they've been calling him a socialist and "wealth redistributor" since even before Joe the Plumber. The silly plumber incident was the first time they actually attached Obama's words to the attack. OMG - he said, "spread the wealth"!!!! Guess what? Obama never disowned what he said to Sam/Joe the unlicensed, tax-evading plumber. And guess what? Nobody cared. Other than the crazy wingnuts who weren't going to vote for him anyway, they didn't care about the original comment and they didn't care that he didn't deny or renounce or clarify what he said. And a plurality of American voters - as shown by severl polls - don't have a problem with raising the income tax rates on the top 5%. The bottom 95% are sick of working their arses off while their wages remain stagnant, prices rise, and their employment is at risk.

That, my friend, boom, is the reality. And that, my friend, is why Obama will win and the Dems will increase their majorities in both houses - people trust the Dems more on economic issues and they are sick of the "soak the rich/screw everybody else" ideology of today's conservative movement.

Jesus, what is this....1956? Communism is dead and today's socialists (using the term loosely) are represented by those evil regimes like Canada, Germany, and Sweden.

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NW Patrick:

boomshak Obama could easily answer that. Difference between a Harvard genious and a retard who finished close to last in his Military class.

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mac7396:

"–noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. "

Boomshak, I read this definition. The first thing that came to mind was the $700 billion bailout that John McSame voted for...So this election is a choice between two socialists?

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lhtk:

Just curious about this slight "weekend contraction" in the polls thing. Is it possible that it's as simple as the fact that younger people, who clearly favor Obama by a large margin, are more likely to be away from their homes and phones doing things on the weekends and so aren't being reached? . . . Probably nothing's that simple, and I suspect it's already been brought up; but just thought I'd throw it out there.

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NW Patrick:

McCain should run for the next week on destroying social security, the VA, and Medicare. Then we'll just see how far the ANTI-SOCILIST movement gets him. C'mon righties, stand up or SHUT THE **** UP. Shall we end those programs?

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boom&KipTinSUCK:

So basically McCain is pretty rejected by even people in his own state, it's not surprising the entire country is trashing him
If he's unable to fare well in his own state he should bow out right now

Poor old guy

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boomshak:

CAMPAIGN FINANCE CORRUPTION, OBAMA-STYLE:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/dubious_donations_135428.htm?page=0

Barack Obama has proved the greatest fund-raiser of all time by a long shot. His campaign has raised more than $600 million - $150 million in September alone. But the campaign has also failed to adopt standard protections against fraudulent giving.

The average contribution to Obama in September was just under $86. And federal law only requires the disclosure of identifying information for contributions in excess of $200. Campaigns must keep running totals for each donor and report them once they exceed $200.

The Federal Election Commission says the Obama campaign has reported well over $200 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less. Only a small portion of that sum is attributable to donors the Obama campaign has disclosed.

No presidential campaign has ever before received such a gargantuan sum of money from unidentified contributors.

The campaign's records reveal big contributors with names like "Doodad Pro" (employer: "Loving," profession: "You") and "Good Will" (same employer and profession). Both donated via credit card. Other reports have suggested that some donations come from overseas - raising the question of whether Obama is accepting donations from foreigners, another violation of federal law.

All of which prompted an enterprising citizen to test the controls put in place to enforce compliance with federal campaign law by the Obama and McCain campaigns. Last Thursday, he decided to conduct an experiment.

He went to the Obama campaign Web site and made a donation under the name "John Galt" (the hero of Ayn Rand's novel "Atlas Shrugged"). He provided the equally fictitious address "1957 Ayn Rand Lane, Galts Gulch, CO 99999."

He checked the box next to $15 and entered his actual credit-card number and expiration date. He was then taken to the next page and notified that his donation had been processed.

He then tried the same experiment on the McCain site, which rejected the transaction. He returned to the Obama site and made three more donations using the names Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and Bill Ayers, all with different addresses but the same credit card. The transactions all went through. By Saturday, he'd reported that the transactions had all posted to his credit-card account.

Others repeated "John Galt's" experiment last week, giving to Obama under such fictitious names as Della Ware, Joe Plumber, Idiot Savant, Ima BadDonation (with a Canadian bank card) and Fake Donor.

What accounts for the Obama campaign's acceptance of these fraudulent donations? Most merchants selling goods and services use the basic Address Verification System that screens credit-card charges for matching names and addresses. (It can also screen cards issued by foreign banks.) The McCain campaign uses AVS and provides a searchable database of all donors, including those who fall below the $200 threshold. The Obama campaign apparently has chosen not to use the AVS system to screen donations.

"Della Ware" contacted The New York Times to report her experience contributing under a fictitious name and address ("12345 No Way") to the Obama campaign, while her contribution was rejected by the McCain campaign. Times reporter Michael Luo verified "Della Ware's" account and reported it online at the Times' campaign blog. But Luo missed the story's point.

"To be fair to the Obama campaign," he wrote, its "officials have said much of their checking for fraud occurs after the transactions have already occurred. When they find something wrong, they then refund the amount."

But the Obama campaign is running a system that complicates the discovery of "something wrong." It has chosen to operate an online contribution system that facilitates illegal falsely sourced contributions, illegal foreign contributions and the evasion of contribution limits.

Obama backers making such contributions may not be worried that "something wrong" will be detected if they have no intention of complaining about it.

According to journalist Kenneth Timmerman, the Obama site did not ask for proof of citizenship until just recently - in contrast not just with McCain but also with Hillary Clinton. Sen. Clinton's presidential campaign required US citizens living abroad to fax copies of their passports before it would accept donations. By contrast, foreign donors to Obama can just use credit cards and false addresses.

Why has the Obama campaign chosen to operate without the basic automated credit-card controls that would prevent or hamper fraud and illegal contributions? Has it made a conscious decision to assist the evasion of federal campaign law or worry about it after it has had the use of the money?

It's hard to see any other motive

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OneAngryDwarf:

@boomflounder

Yawn...

Can I pretend to be you for a moment boom?

Burlap... Pig Farts... baboon crap fight... John McCain is closing... Socialist... Obama Finished... Snorkle... Barney Fife... Porno...

See how stupid it looks when you just type random stuff onto the screen over and over again. Now you have a little understanding of what it is like to be one of the logical posters on this site.

Now off with you, I'm sure that trailor of yours isn't going to clean itself.

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NW Patrick:

boomshak thanks for that article from the MURDOCK POST. So insightful!:)

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NW Patrick:

Gosh Boom. Your a cancer suriver and you must also be against stem cel research like Palin?

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MichaelJason:

Boomshak has the makings of a sociopath.

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boomshak:

@NW Patrick:

McCain should run for the next week on destroying social security, the VA, and Medicare...

You may be the dumbest man on earth. Programs like Social Security are paid into all of your life. You then get paid back based upon what you have paid in.

This is not "redistribution of wealth" or "socialism" moron. Geesh, I am starting to understand why you support Obama.

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Obama008:

Noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

- This is our banking system under a republican Admin. They turned our banks into state property.

Obama at no point in any idea, speech, anything for that matter. Has every said he wants the US govt to control the means of production by any way shape or form. Right now Republicans are railing for a govt take over of the Auto giants.... REPUBILICANS.

The only thing that Obama supports that in any way shape or form could be seen as socialism is retooling our roads, water lines, power system. Yes the govt controls the means or products and distributes money to build these public work projects.

So in NO WAY COULD YOU EVERY DEFINE Obama as a Socialist.

Nor could you define McCain as a war monger or fascist.

Boomshak you have to get real if Obama wins you are going to have to deal with him. I bet you will make out much better under Obama. And for everyone who LOVEs Obama and hates McCain, if McCain wins we have to live with him: for better or for worst, one of these men will be our next leader.

United we Stand, Divided we Fall, These words never rang any more true than at this time.

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NW Patrick:

That is EMBARASSING to be polling so poorly, 3 in a row, in your OWN STATE MCCAIN! WOW!

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Saxa:

@ Boomshak

The truth is the Republicans are much more socialist in action than the Democrats have ever been.
Even the Democrats would not have wanted the government to directly invest money in and "own" pieces of banks. It doesn't get much more socialist than that. Unfortunately, the Republicans created an environment in which they forced this nation to accept their socialist legislation. They are even worse when it comes to fiscal responsibility. Only a Republican could be so free spending that he could turn a $400 billion surplus into the largest increase in government debt ever. I will take the fiscally conservative Obama with his team of Volker , Rubin, Donaldson et al any day to the haphazard decision making that is the McCain/Palin train wreck. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-18-econteams_N.htm

It makes me (as a moderate Republican) sleep better at night when I know that Volker and the other advisors have Obama's ear. Volker is the only one that I have heard bringing up the concern that the federal government needs to get their investment out of these banks as quickly as possible.

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tar_heel:

Boom--So what if some foreign nationals give small sums of money to the Obama campaign? The U.S. government, to say nothing of multinational corporations based here, has spent MILLIONS to influence elections in other countries, and especially in Latin Aamerica. And, of course, with plenty of strings attached. For proof, just look at the 2002 Goni campaign in Bolivia, masterminded by James Carville. And, Boom, just to bbe nice, I've given you this example to illustrate manipulation of a foreign election by a Democrat as opposed to the countless others skewed in the name of the ultraconservative right.

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Dan:

@NW Patrick:
"Gosh Boom. Your a cancer suriver and you must also be against stem cel research like Palin?"

..and using fruitflies in research.

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boomshak:

@NW Patrick:

boomshak thanks for that article from the MURDOCK POST. So insightful!:)

Are you denying the facts of the article then? If you do not deny them, do you not find them troubling?

Can you explain to me any other reason for Obama turning off his AVS system (that everyone else uses), if not for the purposes of corruption?

Please, what possible other explanation could there be? Please. Share.

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boomshak:

@tar_heel:

Boom--So what if some foreign nationals give small sums of money to the Obama campaign?

Besides being illegal you mean? Holy God man, listen to yourself.

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Obama008:

@boomshak

The Election Commission watches these camps like a hawk.

Thats where your explanation fails.

C-O-M-O-D-O

Secured by SSL

SSL is a company that does the SAME JOB AS AVS

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DTM:

Obviously, the reason people keep falsely claiming Obama is a socialist is that they think that will help McCain win the election. In other words, in politics where there is smoke, there is often someone blowing smoke hoping you will think there is a fire.

By the way, personally I think it would be very interesting to hear Obama talk about why his policies remain within a capitalist framework, or, in other words, why he isn't a socialist. Unfortunately, I expect that discussion would bore most Americans.

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Keep VA Red:

@Boom ... they are all right, he is technically not a "socialist" ... He is a MARXIST ... as if that is any better

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Obama008:

McCain has been given money BY the people within the British family..

McCain gets funds from Foreign Nationals

Lady Lynn Forester

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tar_heel:

The intent of the law is to prevent a candidate here from becoming beholden to foreign interests. Seems like sub-$200 contributions won't lead to any undue influence by anybody.

The Bush administration, on the other hand, has bought elections wholesale, for example, it was instrumental in the 2006 election of the conservative Felipe Calderon as the president of Mexico. That election took place under widespread allegations of fraud, and FC won by about 300,000 votes according to the official count. That seems like a far greater violation of the law to me.

Finally, the responsibility for following the law lies with the donor and not the donee. And campaigns can do little to stop fraud. I know for a fact that foreigners, both green card holders and visitors, have donated to political campaigns by means of US-based credit cards.

FAIL!

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Obama008:

@Keep AV red
You dont even know what a Marxist is you red neck.

What did your toothless teacher give you a good learning in your 2 page text book.

Small comments like that are given smaller answers.

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fed:

BREAKING NEWS
Russians are getting Lenin´s body ready to get it transported to the US, and desplay it in the capitol for the first month of Obama´s administation.

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Obama008:

@Keep AV red
You dont even know what a Marxist is you red neck.

What did your toothless teacher give you a good learning in your 2 page text book.

Small comments like that are given smaller answers.

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Obama008:

McCain has been given money BY the people within the British family..

McCain gets funds from Foreign Nationals

Lady Lynn Forester


Boom you fail.

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DTM:

By the way, the VA is a good example of a real element of "socialism" in our country: the government owns and operates the VA's hospitals and employs the VA's doctors.

Social Security and Medicare, on the other hand, are really only "socialist" to the extent they are providing insurance which, in theory, could be provided privately (although in practice no private insurance company could really do the same thing).

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Keep VA Red:

@Obama008

First, I have read the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx. I hold both a BA and and MA in international relations. I'm sure you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about.

Second, Lady Forester is an American citizen, born and raised in NJ. Again, you have no idea what you are talking about.

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Obama008:

She hold Dual Citizenship with the UK and the USA.

Sorry you dont know what you are talking about.

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Keep VA Red:

The law only requires that you be an American citizen to contribute. It does not prevent those with dual citizenships from contributing. Obama has received donations from people without American citizenship.

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