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US: Obama 52, McCain 44 (Rasmussen 10/03-05)

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Rasmussen
10/03-05,08; 3,000 LV 2%
Mode: IVR

National
Obama 52, McCain 44

 

Comments
BOOMFAIL:

Nukeyouler McSlime has sunk to new lows. Literally.

Double digit leads by the end of this week for Obama.

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laguna_b:

Race seems to be narrowing..... ;)

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muckinello:

There you go... I came to this site over and over to see your comments guys, now I had to register so I could post.
Love this new poll... exactely the opposite direction forecasted by Boom.. so I was going to ask him for some stock picks.. just to see if I had any in my portfolio to SELL SELL SELL pronto!
The slimy campaign of McCain will further solidify Obama's numbers.. am I the only one that wants to hear about economic plans, when my retirement is loosing 1/3 of it's value?

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Inkan1969:

Ye Gods. We waited for Monday, and Obama's national numbers are incredible. I can't believe he's so dominating Rasmussen. Let's hope that Ras really is as reliable as its reputed to be.

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laguna_b:

When I said it was narrowing, I meant that only a narrow group still beleived McCain can win.....

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zoom:

Once again, boomshak proves his amazing powers of prediction. He acurately saw that Palin's brilliant performance last week would close the gap in the Rasmussen poll to margin of error (O+2) as she did again for McCain what she did at the convention. We must bow to his genius once again.

Oh--wait--it can't be. Re-reading the results it appears that Rasmussen today has O+8. How can that be? Wasn't Sarah brilliant? Didn't the American people fall in love with her all over again?

I guess not.

Actually, most people thought Biden won the debate, and that she is not qualified.

Now, McCain and Palin are going negative--HARD.

If you take a deep breath, what you smell in the air is desparation on the part of the McCain/Palin campaign.

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pbcrunch:

This is the poll that takes full account of the VP debate and is the first to take into account the McCain campaign's "Ayers" attacks on Obama.

From what I remember Obama has actually gained a point or two from the Friday poll, movement that is strongly reflected in the Battleground poll, as well.

All the McCain partisans have to go off of now is Gallup's ambiguous language yesterday that McCain was slightly tightening the race in that tracker.

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laguna_b:

RCE has the tracker at +6.4 for O....big jump!

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carl29:

It looks like Ms. Palin's performance didn't impressed anybody outside the FoxNews crowd:-)

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boomshak:

When I made my prediction, I wasn't factoring in the staggering stupidity of the McCain Campaign.

That's fine, Obama can have this turd of an economy.

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carl29:

Now, you see why the McCain campaign is going negative? They know that electorate were very "impressed" by Ms. Palin's winking, smiling, flirting to the camera.

oh, yeah...and her "commanding knowledge" of the issues affecting every-day Americans :-)

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mysticlaker:

Better yet, it looks like Palin's attacks that started on Saturday are having the opposite effect on the polls.

These guys are SO dumb. The guilt by association game is stupid, especially from Palin who has ZERO credibility left outside the repugs base.

Please continue to try and distract America as we all lose money and jobs. It only seems to help us.

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maddiekat:

The Dow drops 200 points in early trading and McSlime's pig in lipstick is talking about weathermen from the 60s. Boy they sure are in touch!!

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[nemesis]:

Looks like Obama continues to pull ahead. I'm still interested in seeing Gallup(although it seems slightly erratic) and Hotline, to round out a decent group of polls. If they both move to Obama +8 as well, it will become quite obvious that not only did Palin not get a debate bounce, but she was not even able to slow the hemorrhage of voters going over to the Obama camp. I'm not going to go so far as to say that she had a negative effect at the debate, being as the trend towards Obama doesn't seem to have picked up any additional speed. She exceeded a lot of expectations, while still not doing well enough to win the debate, which, to me, ends up in a wash. Anyways, interesting polls. We'll have to see if any of the negative ads running starting today have any effect on the polls.

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muckinello:

Officially Obama has equalled his post-convention bounce, where RCP was listing him at +6.4 as a high mark. I expect this to solidify with the remaining undecided to split (worst case scenario). Now we have to see what state polls say but I would not expect them to go "counter flow" from this one.
Obama's ground force and young voters will also bring one or two points in his direction.
Let's hope for a large mandate so that we can tackle the problems of a too long republican management

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Jacob S:

To go off of what maddiekat said, the Dow is down by 200 points in pre-session trading. This is really, really bad. The bail-out might not be enough, which worries me. The economy is going to dominate this election all the way to the end.

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Isher:

@Boomshak

I'm glad you were wrong but I feel a bit bad for you:

"When I made my prediction, I wasn't factoring in the staggering stupidity of the McCain Campaign."

I mean, they ANNOUNCED that they were going to try to distract people from the economy. They friggin' ANNOUNCED IT.

Sorry bud, not sure who's making those calls but I'd not ask them back for a '12 run.

Think it's tucker bounds? He does come across as a sortof moron goofball.

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johncoz:

Well, if we take boomshak as a barometer (or perhaps rectal thermometer)of the mood of die-hard repubs, then I do believe we are seeing unmistakeable signs of surrender to the apparently inevitable

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carl29:

I wouldn't say that this polls fully reflect Palin's recent attacks; however, it is a clear verdict on Palin's debate performance. Despite what every talking head in the US said, Palin didn't impress voters interested in the economy, healthcare, education, foreign policy, and every other issue relevant to struggling Americans.

As I said before the debate, people don't judge candidates based on where the Media "sets the bar." People judge candidates on their own terms, comparing one candidate to the other, period. Biden, despite the absence of winking and flirting, showed more knowledge and looked more presidential than Palin. Voters compared her to Biden, and she lost.

Now, my huntch about these Palin attacks is that they will resonate among those who already are on board with McCain, just like Palin's debate performance, blood for the "sharks." I think that struggling Americans will be suspicious of McCain's attacks as another attempt to distract voters, a stunt from a campaign unable to lay out a plan to help Americans deal with this economic crisis. We'll see kids :-)

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boskop:

The First Thirty Days:(next installment is. The Fortieth Day)

Obama: Hey, not bad, huh? Love the mandate thing. It all looks pretty good from here on
out. Pinch me, am I real?

Michelle: (Michelle leans forward and pinches him) To me at least!

O: Ouch, guess I am but don’t let that get out!

M: Mum’s the word, hun.

O: (He flips through a magazine close up of McCain’s scarred face.)
What a poor dumb bastard that McCain. Beauty and the beast! The guy didn’t have a chance, was anything more obvious than The View?

Michelle: (She lisps this like Barbara Walters) ‘Bawack, do you mind if I say something, You’re so sexy!!’ Lucky you don’t look your Dad. That used to give me nightmares that one morning you’d wake up in Iowa looking like you came from Kenya and then

O: Me too, babe. I’m pretty and man do I know how to bound up stairs even when my legs were killing me. But I mean hell, that ole geezer had some real claims there about courage and sticking his neck out. ****, I could’ve managed his campaign better with my hands tied behind my back. Can ya believe how he never, I mean NEVER played that immigration card to get the Enchilada vote?

Biden: John is a friend of mine.

O: And you sold that right when you signed on with me buddy boy.

M: Do that thoughtful look, you know looking down the way you practiced it in our bedroom mirror in the old house…

O: Like this..?

M: What a turn on!

O: I know, when in doubt turn that sucker on. I mean, did they not buy it hook line and sinker during the economic meltdown. You think I had a clue what to do?

M: Media magic, sweetie. They call it cool. They love that Ivy stuff. Lucky you didn’t have a twang like that bitch from Alaska.

B: She’s got pluck.

O: Joe, ya mind getting us a couple of big Mac’s, I feel like scarfing him down again.

(Michelle slaps him a high five)

B: (Biden takes out his wallet and counts out the bills).

O: Hey, buddy, lemme help you out – remember I’ve got the change!

M: I never get tired of that word…

B: Drinks?

O: Some of Sarkozy’s vino. Love the stuff. He keeps sending cases of it.

Ayres: Ya mean this .. the one you fantastic bum put near our bed?

O: Having a good time in there? I bet you never thought you’d ever get to
sleep in the Lincoln Bedroom let alone set foot in the White House.

A: Red’s my color, man, don’t you know.

B: Bill, you wanna a big Mac too?

A: Yeah, and don’t hurry back.

(Biden leaves)

Michelle slips a cd into the laptop and cuddles up to Barack on the sofa.

The Tape plays: ‘Honkies, white men, they’re just waiting to git ya. They’re just waiting to eject you, reject you, and deject you. You want a plan! You need a plan, a plan of action, a plan of retaliation of recompense. You can’t fight em on the same playing field, they change the rules on ya, so you better learn right now, right now, to out smart them. Turn their honkie guilt inside out and twist their sad little brains up into little knots…”

O: Amen! Brings back the days.

M: He took that tape to Harvard and played it every night, didn’t you sweetie?

O: Every night before my head hit the pillow.

A: We won the White House, we got the media in a swoon…so what’s next?

O: Haven’t a clue.

M: Just do thoughtful, babe.

O: And keep my fingers crossed I never have to make a decision.

Michelle, William Ayres and Obama all together: Praise the Lord, Amen.

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Mike_in_CA:

Rasmussen notes that no candidate in 2004 ever acheived an 8% lead. Folks, this, combined with Charles Franklin's nice graph today, PROVE that this is NOT 2000 or 2004. Can we finally ditch the "close race" meme?

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JCK:

The VP debate had no material impact. Biden didn't say anything condescending or gaffe-tastic; Palin didn't speak in tongues on stage.

Not a game changer, pretty much as expected.

McCain's supporters can make themselves feel better that Obama "should" be up by 15 points instead of 6-8 in the polls, but that's really grasping at straws. ("Well we should have lost by four TDs, but we won because we only lost by two!")

I have a hard time believing too many people will care about Ayers or Rezko; the connections are pretty tenuous. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I doubt that "Chicago political machine" strikes fear into the hearts of many.

Reverend Wright seems a lot juicer to me, but I think the shock value came primarily from novelty; a second go-round will likely be far less effective.

McCain needs a game changer, or he's done.

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The Dude:

I'm anxiously awaiting a Boomshak endorsement for the big O. Rumours have it arriving any day...

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angrytoxicologist:

I think it's too early to say the negativity isn't working. Most Americans say they don't like negative ads and press but, frankly, they don't always have any blowback effect. Exit polls in the primaries showed that people who thought HRC attacked BO unfairly still voted for her by a similar margin as the overall. That's not to say they WILL work, but just to say that it's too early to tell if there will be blowback or whether it will tighten the race.

Personally, I think it will work, tighen the race, but not nearly enough as it will probably solidfy the lean Obama into strong Obabma and at these margins, that's a shot in the foot.

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IndependentThinker:

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Apparently undecided voters didn't like what they saw last Thursday night. C'mon I partly reviewed the VP debate last time, all she did is winking and giving a speech instead of substantially answering questions

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Mike_in_CA:

boskop, you are a disgusting, pathetic, indignant, ignorant fool. In other words, a Republican. Have fun in hell!

"From Hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee"

That's the Republican mantra now. From the pit of hell they will still claw at us. Anything....not....to....lose....power!

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placeholder:

Steve Schmidt is an idiot. Talk about mis-reading and mis- managing a campaign. The diversion tactic works well when everything is going ok and you need to deflect from your own candidate's shortcomings. It worked brilliantly for Bush. But to think that they can divert attention from a complete economic meltdown, two failing wars, and dozens of scandals by talking about Bill friggin Ayers? Most people don't even know who the hell he is. And if they do - what does Obama have to do with the weathermen? You have a better chance of tying him to the black panthers. At least this way you have color in common.

The McCain campaign has run out of ammo. The wright bullet has been spent. You can replay the goddamn america clip a million times and you won't gain a single vote from it. Rezko nobody knows or understands... or cares. it takes an infomercial to explain that stuff. And Ayers is too absurd for words.

Nice work Steve. Way to get someone elected.

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boskop:

@mike in ca

you are not pitiful, just dumb.

i would like you to sign an affidavit that you believe everything this scoundrel of yours says and will follow him over a cliff like the lemming you are.

and when the **** hits the fan in the second month, and he finds himself waging three wars and an economy he hasnt got a clue about, and all the mid sized businesses have long since relocated OUT OF THE US, then you come back here on this post and tell me again how much you love and genuflect to the man for all seasons as long as the seasons are mild, short and very sunny.

he is what he is, and yo better understand that this pulsating enormous monster of a pr campaign cannot change his history, his personality or his brain.

you've been warned. if he wins, you've been had. go fill your car up with the sheik's gas, baby...and warn your kids not to fly for a while.

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zoom:

Poor boomshak. His failed predictions are never his fault. He has been complaining about the McCain campaign ever since the polls started going against him. What would make boomshak think things would be different now?

As usual, boomshak is like the typical politician--refusing to take responsbility. He made a bad prediction because he prediction was silly and simply not going to happen. Now he says if the campaign just would listen to him, they would be winning.

What a joke.

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maddiekat:

Hotline Poll shows Obama leading by 6% this morning. That is fine but a couple of internals make no sense. It shows that McCain is more trusted now with the economy and Obama has basically caught McCain when it comes to National Security. Something is odd about this poll!!

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jamesugw:

lay off boomshak a bit - he's just supporting his side. I happen to think it's the wrong side but I admire his punch. And in a funny way he ends up dominating these message baords in the same way Schmidt et al are trying to dominate the news cycle for McCain....

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boskop:

"Obama didnt know the history of ayres"

one more time, who's the dumb one?

does he know the history of iran, or hezbollah, of the ottoman empire?

if you buy this then i've got a classic 7 condo on park for you and it's only 99 bucks.

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zen:


in Michigan, gop already played the Ayers attack ad and it didn't change the game.
So, I don't think it will make the change.
i hope at least 50 percent of Americans have reasonable intelligence.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@angrytoxicologist

You may be right about the negative ads tightening the races some. Though there is a serious danger of going the other way also. I think that if you follow, "Murphy's Rule of Dating" which is to say go ugly early, negative ads work much better.

You can define your opponent before they have a chance to define themselves. On the flip side of that coin is that if you try it after they've established a brand you are just hardening the base. That would be a problem at this point since Obama's base of support is greater than 50%.

We'll see how it plays out but I think that if Schmidt were really the master of evil (like Karl Rove) he would have done this earlier and tried to swing independent voters instead of solidify an pre-existing Obama mandate.

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Mike_in_CA:

boskop,

what about his history, personality and brain need changing? The man was editor of the Law Review, attended some of the most prestigious schools in the country, has taught constitutional law, has raised a family in exactly the conservative mold, worked as a community organizer, and rose to national prominence in politics like very few other politicians. His talent is unbridled. Even John "Keating" McCain can't rival Obama's skill and intellect. And you tell me he'll have no idea what to do in office? John McCain can't tell his ass from his forehead, and the only thing he knows about the economy is that all those tax breaks have been very good to him and his wife's 8 homes, 13 cars and 1 airplane.

Ah, but what you REALLY mean when you say he can't change his history, his personality or his brain, is that he'll never be white. Alas, he is an uppity n*****, and he'll never be able to change that. He should just shuffle to the back of the bus and let the white folks do all the work right?

Go to hell.

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carl29:

If you go back and read the post on the day McCain "suspended" his campaign, the majority of McCain supporters were so optimistic on such "brilliant" move. I predicted, enduring attacks for it, that the move wouldn't work...why? Everything that McCain does to "change the game" during the economic crisis is seen by voters as "stunt" because people knows about his "problems" with the economy. If Mitt Romney were the Republican nominee and had "suspended" his campaign, people would have believed that indeed he was going to Washington to "educate" politicians about how to rescue the economy. But McCain?!!!

To me the problem with Palin is that she surely doesn't look or sound presidential, which was McCain's problem in the first debate as well. Imagine Biden standing next to Mitt Romney last thursday?

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boomshak:

Down down +400.

Is Obama SURE he even WANTS to be POTUS?

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boskop:

@idiot from california

he got into those schools on affirmative action and legacy.
he HAS REFUSED TO DATE TO REVEAL HIS TRANSCRIPT.

if you are dumb enough to believe it was stellar and he didnt want to shock the world with it then you believe your dog can talk.

the year he was editor has gone down in law review history as the most negligible.

he is a guy who has gotten a free hand all his life and now from you and from the press.

what's he gonna do when, holy cow, the honeymoon is ovah, and stewart starts slamming him for ****ing with his money, and wolf the obsessive compulsive blitzer is getting tired of sucking his you what.

the fact is, HE IS NOT equipped with neither the brain power or the character for this job.

that does not mean that bush was either..which is why I say to you, Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me and in this case, the me is YOU FOOL!

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BarackO'Clinton:

LOL, Republicans.

Especially Frank Luntz from Fixed Noise. After the Palin/Biden debate he claimed that his "focus group" loved Palin so much that the polls will move in the next 48 hours.

Well, he was right, the polls did move.

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boomshak:

Well the bailout package really saved the Dow. Good lord.

This is what Socialism has wrought. Lending money to people who couldn't afford to pay it back.

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carl29:

McSame supporters are really mad :-)!!!

Obama/Biden '08

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boomshak:

Hotline showing move closer today. Looks like Gallup will tighten significantly as well.

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GrampsMcCain:

Wow, things are getting really testy here. The Hotline Poll makes sense. Obama up 47-41 (10% high undecided.) McCain more trusted on thte economy? Tied with Obama on National Security? They must be polling the confused residents of Alaska who elected Sarah the Beauty Queen in the first place.

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ColoradoRider:

@Boom

You're right, the McCain campaign has shot itself in the foot every step of the way. For example: imagine if they had picked Romney instead of Palin. Romney had the strongest economic credentials of any candidate; Democratic or Republican. The economic situation will continue to make headlines for the next 29 days and McCain simply doesn't have a card to play.

The mudslinging, like the Palin pick, is a 2000/2004 strategy, and it won't work. In fact, in this climate, it may actually backfire. But besides dropping out, what other choice does McCain have?

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Connor:

@boskop

It's like a right-wing MADTV. But much worse.

Jesus, right-wingers have no sense of ****ing humor.

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carl29:

@boomshak,

You really don't learn. If I were you, I wouldn't venture to make any predictions?

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boomshak:

SURPRISING DATA FROM HOTLINE:

"After closing in on Obama's lead yesterday, McCain has now taken the lead on handling of two key issues. The GOP nominee holds 43-42% leads over Obama on both the economy and energy policy -- McCain's first leads on handling of the economy since 9/10 and first on energy policy since 9/23."

I admit, this is a strange poll and their internal jump all over the place.

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maddiekat:

I just noticed the Hotline Poll has party ID as Dems 41% Reps 36% Ind 19%. No wonder Obama can never seem to break away from McCain in this poll.

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boskop:

@boom

already starting last week, companies are fleeing the US in anticipation of obama.

do you honestly think i or they want to stick around to build a company for obama's to hand over to ACORN?

education is the most bestest equalizer and i will leave money for education in NGO's but my mullah leaves the country.

THE MARKET is not reflecting the credit crunch anymore, boom, it is anticpating the obama presdiency and tanking.

the idiocy of obamites is their limtied mental strength. all they can factor forward is, If Bush is the president and the economy stinks with hims, YOU CHANGE DA PWESIDENTIAL PAWTY" DUH>>

Except for, party dogma is so ebb and flowy these days that you have to vote the man not the party.

Nope, Obama is already TANKING the economy. Bless you, obamites, get on line for your welfare checks, your unemployment checks which will bounce, and go back to your ginormous homes you lied about being able to pay for.

but dont hurt the kids... i repeat, education first, to strengthen from the bottom up and build for the future.

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boomshak:

@ColoradoRider:

Yes, but the MSM would have tied Romney to WallStreet and say "it was guys like him that got us here".

Whoever McCain picked, the MSM would have crushed them.

I do consider having 100% MSM support to be an advantage for Obama, lol - understatement of the century!

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carl29:

Now Boom is a fan of Hotline. what happened to Rasmussen and Gallup? If I am not mistaken, you said that those were the pollsters to pay attention to :-)

Boom, my advise to you: Change your nickname, so you won't have to put up with past statements :-)

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Dont mind boskop and boom.. the last ramblings before they fade away. Actually.. they better keep that up since it will make O's supporters more and more mad! We won the registration war but now it's to the polls and the madder we are the more numerous we will vote to take back this country.

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kerrchdavis:

@bookshop

"the fact is, HE IS NOT equipped with neither the brain power or the character for this job."

If Obama has neither the brains nor the character to be POTUS, McCain would have trouble securing a job as a janitor.

You really want to compare character and intelligence issues with someone who finished "stupid" out of 900+ at the Naval Academy and who then cheated on/left his crippled wife for a more attractive option?

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Mike_in_CA:

boskop,

just answer me one question: Is John McCain equipped with the judgement, intelligence and/or character to be President? An LA Times story out today explains his recklessness in a fighter jet, for example, when he was flying at 3000 ft. over Hanoi, when US military guidelines said 4000 to 10,000 ft.

I refuse to comment on your out-in-the-open, blatant racism. I doubt even boomshak would exhibit such vocal, clear racism right now. You're disgusting and an embarassment.

And talk about free rides? John McCain, the son and grandson of admirals,husband of beer heiresses, boasts about his mediocrity.

But I guess black people will NEVER have the brain power or the character, in your book, to run this country.

Oh, and calling me dumb isn't really becoming. You're a pig, and everyone knows it. Except your other KKK members.

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dave101:

Its going to take a full week t see the effect of the next debate AND the new McCain's new character attacks in the poll numbers.

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boskop:

@MIKE
to find fault with obama on everything is not race based. it is man based.

you are the racist because you cant see beyond the color of his skin.

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dave101:

Did anybody see Sean Hannity's "Obama & Friends: History of Radicalism" last night? Oh, if wasn't for Sean, I would only have worried about Communism and Terrorism, now I can worry about "Radicalism" too. Bad Radicalists!

What a shameless scumbag that man is.

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thoughtful:

Does any one have the detail or the link to current Hotline crosstabs. They give edited result to question highlights but where are we with gender age range,voter ID to give us the Horse race numbers?

You know Obama is at 10% if this Ras poll is at 8%. No cell phones etc.

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Mike_in_CA:

i repeat again, the mantra of Republicans:

"From hell's heart I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee"

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zotz:

boskop-
Do you know the personal history of everyone you attend a meeting with or everyone whose home you visit?. It is a ridiculous standard Hannity and friends expect Obama to meet. If McCain knew all about Rev. Hagee's views on the Catholic church why was he so eager to share a stage with him and proudly accept his endorsement. Isn't this evidence that McCain shares Hagee's beliefs? That is the logic you want us to use with Obama.

Ayers was accepted by the Chicago community and advised Mayor Daley on education. When you get involved in community affairs you work with influential people in the community which is what Ayers was. It doesn't mean you subscribe to the beliefs of the people you are working with.

The Reps here (and their buddies like you) want to replace common sense with unsubstantiated character assassination. It will be rejected by the people. For once the idiots will lose. And yes I'm talking about YOU!

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boomshak:

@kerrchdavis:

I agree that Obama is very bright, due just to the quality of his campaign. I honestly don't know how much of that is him and how much is his Manager.

Anyway, my problem is that he is a screaming liberal moonbat pretending to be a center/right moderate. He is lying.

Here's what McCain need to say at the debate:

"Senator Obama, you have legislated for 12 years as an extreme left liberal. If elected will you govern as a liberal or as a moderate?"

If Obama says moderate, McCain should respond:

"What changed you?"

Then if Obama says he has "grown", McCain should say:

"Senator Obama, are you willing to promise right now in front of the American people, that you will govern as a moderate? Do you promise that you will NEVER raise taxes on the middle class?"

THAT would be brutal.

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Connor:

@dave101

Is this the program that features rabid anti-semite Andy Martin?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/05/hannitys_witness_exterminate_j/

So classy, that Hannity...

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kerrchdavis:

@bookshop

"Nope, Obama is already TANKING the economy. Bless you, obamites, get on line for your welfare checks, your unemployment checks which will bounce, and go back to your ginormous homes you lied about being able to pay for."

roflmao! Oh, thats a new one! The DOW is now down because they are ANTICIPATING an Obama presidency. lol! So your theory is that market confidence would be HIGHER if the person who admits to not knowing much of the economy was ahead and in control? lol!

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Mike_in_CA:

boskop,

sorry, remind me of the things that you object to about Obama that DONT have to do with his race.

And no cheating -- the black people are watching, and if they catch you, you will be forced on welfare!

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dave101:

conner, yes, same show.

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Mike_in_CA:

bless you kerrch. your responses are far better than mine. It's hard to argue lies and projection with reason. Better with witty humor. Love it.

And boomshak

I've actually garned a lot of respect for you this morning after my conversations with boskop. I realize that the fundamental difference between you two is that boskop is a disgusting racist, whereas you are just a firm believer in conservative principles. Your argument against Obama is that he is liberal, not that he is "radical" or "anti American". And you even admit to his intelligence. Thank you!!

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mac_1103:

When I made my prediction, I wasn't factoring in the staggering stupidity of the McCain Campaign.

Why not? You've been talking about what a bad campaign they were running for some time now. What made you think they were suddenly going to get smart?

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boomshak:

And you want to know what is wrong with the McCain Campaign? They are too f*cking tupid to ask that question:

"Senator Obama, if elected do you promise that you will NEVER raise taxes on the middle class?"

If he says "yes" he is stuck. If he says "no", he is screwed.

Please McCain, grow a brain and ask that question.

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Angus Mc:

If Obama says moderate, McCain should respond:
"What changed you?"

Obama responds:
"You used to be an honest and honorable man, Senator McCain. What changed *you*?"

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

Boom, to you I must seem really naive but I honestly don't think Obama is going to try to turn the country "screaming liberal."

I think he will end up being a left/moderate President who puts the needs of the collective country as a whole first and foremost.

Is it really so impossible that it will turn out that way?

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boskop:

dumb.
bully.
lies.
parsing.
hypocrisy.
mean.
wuss.
coward.

allow me the right to consider a man apart from the color of his skin, why dont you?

perhaps you should try to?

we have waited long for this moment, i am fearful of wasting the moment on this man when others are so much more qualified and of so much greater character.

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thoughtful:

@Boskop

I was sure that the sheer incompetence of McCain would see you change sides.

I actually like the cool pragmatic calculating discipline that Obama seems to have.

You know the guy coined the expression there are no red states or no blue states but there is the United States of America.

You know there are no liberals or conservatives but caring, committed Americans. So I'd give the guy some room.

He can not make a bigger mess than there already is and McCain has shown he has no idea.

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Boris_Dieter:

It is astonishing that the media has not remarked on the strange process whereby McCain, of Charles Keating fame, something that happened when he was in his 50's and in the Senate, is somehow permitted to make judgements about the brief and casual link between Obama and Ayres, the latter having committed his sins when the former was 8 years old. I wish someone had asked the Pitbull with Lipstick Palin whether she had ever heard of the Students for a Democratic Society and the Weathermen Faction? In any case, Obama needs to keep his eye on the prize and focus on the economy, the need for some New Deal style medicine -- stimulus for the masses, slightly higher taxes for the very wealthy -- not to punish the wealthy but to save them. Everyone acknowledges that the New Deal saved capitalism. What we need now to save the market from its plutocratic plunderers is to create a massive public works program to improve our infrastructure, tax benefits and investment in the technologies of the future, and a single-minded focus on upgrading the education and skills of the mass of the American working class. We can then quit yelling at each other and start kicking some international butt in the world of global competition where the action of the future is. McPalin "are" the dying, gangrenous hands of the past trying to drag us back into some moribund vision of a village society that hasn't existed for nearly 150 years.

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thoughtful:

@Boris_Dieter

Very broadly in agreement.

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Otown:

Hey everyone this is my first post but I've been lingering around here for months. Such a crazy election, huh?

The most entertaining thing about this site is Boomshack though. That guy always gets a chuckle out of me. His logic amazes me and I'm sure he does for the rest of yall. It's just impossible, Boom, to paint Obama as a liberal this late in the game and assume it will overshadow the economy. Just no. Even though McCain said Wright was off limits, I'm sure that cat will come out of the bag and he'll play dumb about it.

I think that we'll have an idea by the end of the week if McCain's attacks are working or not and I doubt they will.

It's great news for Obama that Kerry or Bush did not poll this well on Ras in 04. An outside game changer is the only hope McCain has.

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boskop:

@thoughtful

are you kidding! that's a clever riff!

come on UK, you can do better than even that lame citation.

kindergarten kids figure that lame brained nursery chant up sitting on the potty.

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kerrchdavis:

@boskop

dumb. - remind me again how McCain did in school? Also how has his campaign been doing so far?

bully. - tell me, who has the issue of a temper again? Who calls 12 year old girls "ugly"? Who makes jokes about bombing Iran?

lies. - Oh please, have you even seen your candidates ads this cycle. There is a reason he has lost credibility with the American people.

hypocrisy. - hypocrisy is saying you're a maverick and voting 90% with GWB. Hypocrisy is saying you're for womens rights but then voting against equal pay for women. Hypocrisy is when you say you put your country above all else and then you pick a person like Sarah Palin as a running mate.

mean. - lol! please! Who calls his wife a "c*nt"?

wuss. coward. - Who is a coward when they can't even look their opponent in the eye when debating them?

Also, let me say, what a stupid set of reasons as a whole. Really quite pathetic.

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carl29:

Welcome Otown :-)

Yeah, Boom is a "character," pretty feisty!!!

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boomshak:

@kerrchdavis:

Past is prologue. Obama is to the left of even Pelosi and Reid, and that's no small feat.

Would you hire a convicted burglar as the night watchman for your store, even if he swore you could trust him.

Would you lend money to a person with a credit score of 400 even they swore they would make the payments?

Would you trust a lifelong liberal to govern as a moderate if he put on a nice suit and told you he would?

Look at how much Obama has changed just since the Primaries to now. It is a change of expediency, not of heart.

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MNLatteLiberal:

Agree with the angry toxicologist/dwarf tribe (and carl29, of course, good morning :). These polls are not yet reflecting the "nukular" strategy of McCampaign. This is a larger verdict of Ms Palin's attempt to stuff 90 minutes worth of talking points into her 60 minute head.

Negative attacks will have some, though limited effect: they will appease the base, much like Palin's selection for VP and piss off the undecideds, who as all of the Obama internals seem to indicate, do NOT want to hear that tone this election. I cite HOW Obama and Biden won their respective debates - their message was aimed not at the base, but rather at winning the middle.

McCampaign FAILED miserably to appeal to that middle with the debates and Palin selection in general. Ms Palin knows how to win her base. Period. Her methods work only in Alaska, a state which is, like, 99.89% white male. They have 5 women in the entire state. And her performance in the debate and on the stump THREATENS women on a subconscious level (who is that floozie flirting with my husband?) and offends them on a professional level by her sheer lack of professionalism and acute cutesiness.

Now is the desperation time in McCampaign. Michigan is gone, GOP in Michigan is pissed at the abrupt, knee-jerk method of their pull out. Erratic, carl29? Remember my post from last week using that term for the irrational McBehavior of late? Well, the theme continues. They are going "nukular". That will not help them win the middle.

Besides, Obama has demonstrated time and time again how ELOQUENT and adept his campaign is at turning those types of attacks against the attacker. Instantly. Cleverly. With results.

Boomlike prediction: a slight dip to +6 O to none nationally (Ras, Gallup, Hotline) by end of the week, followed by another gain for Obama.

It is truly amazing to me that he continues to sustain that all time high margin for this long without cresting. The electorate is finally really PISSED at the elephants.

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Mike_in_CA:

boskop,

get a life. you spent all morning talking about how Obama is of poor character to be the President, and included a made up excerpt where you had Barack and Michelle listening to a song about honkies and whitey's, and you link him to William Ayres, and now you turn around and tell ME to not consider his race? We all know what you and your little Republican friends are doing.

by the way, Obama is a bully AND a wuss?

there's obviously no getting through with you.

what exactly is "this moment" and i'm sorry that you consider it "wasted." I guess we should just elect another sub-par, idiot white guy to drive this country even further into the ground.

the black guys can wait their turn. Until one of them comes along who isn't black. Then we can elect them! Until then, their character and intellect is far inferior to be POTUS.

Seriously, you are really going to argue that Obama is not a smart guy? You're really going down that path? And that his association which was deemed as "not close at all" to William Ayres, qualifies him as having bad judgement?

What does McCain's decision to CHEAT on his crippled wife, and engage in the S&L Keating scandal say about HIS character!? And he finished in the bottom 1% of his graduating class at Anapolis, and OBAMA is stupid?!

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cinnamonape:

Boskop? Isn't that a rural South African village filled with goat-farming Afrikaaners?

http://www.fallingrain.com/world/SF/3/Boskop.html

Guess we know where this guy comes from!

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kerrchdavis:

@cinn

No offense to South African villages however :)

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boomshak:

@Mike_in_CA:

I have no problem with Obama's character any more than I havce a hard time with any politician's character. To get to the top, they have all sold their souls to the devil to a certain extent.

What McCain should be focusing on is NOT Obama's acquaintances, but how he has legislated when given the opportunity. How he has been in Congress for 12 years and not changed anything.

I swear, if McCain asked Obama to give a:

NO TAX INCREASE ON THOSE MAKING LESS THAN $250,000 A YEAR NO MATTER WHAT

pledge, that could be the first real "gotcha" moment of all these debates.

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cinnamonape:

Got to love the non sequitor in this post.

"boskop: education is the most bestest equalizer and i will leave money for education in NGO's but my mullah leaves the country."

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Boris_Dieter:

@Boomshak

Not that it'll change your partisan-crazed mind, but there are no liberals today. That's Reaganism's greatest contribution. Most everyone understands that it's the private ego that drives the economy and that price/demand signals are the most efficient way to decide what to make and how to distribute it. The problem is trying to keep the private economy from being fouled up by its most serious enemies, and that is the plutocrats who've made a mockery of corporate governance and who've managed to somehow get you crazy conservatives to continue to harp on "the government" as the source of our problems. The source of our problems are how the rules of the game have been systematically distorted by powerful business interests. I'd feel exactly the same way about unions (and do)if they had the clout to inflict the kind of damage that these heads of investment banks and other "private" institutions have foisted on us. What is needed now is a commitment to keep people working and to try to break the cycle of "demand" destruction (a basic Keyensian idea) before we slip into a catastrophic depression. Yes, the market would eventually correct itself -- if the public didn't vote in fascists or communists in first, which is what happened when we last waited for the market to find a new equilibrium in the 30's. Unfortunately, people don't sit around waiting for the next market blue sky. They simply don't sit around watching their pensions and health care and savings evaporate waiting for the heavenly chorus of some new market correction. Better some effective public intervention now, rather than watching our society come apart.

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boomshak:

QUESTION FOR OBAMA SUPPORTERS:

Should Obama pledge that he will NOT raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000 during his entire Presidency and that taxes on those making over $250,000 a year will never go above Clinton-era rates?

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boomshak:

@Boris_Dieter:

You are mad. Go visit Daily-Kos.

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Boris_Dieter:

@boomshak

I take that as your non-response. You are deluded. Go visit the Wizard of Oz.

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cinnamonape:

"I swear, if McCain asked Obama to give a:

NO TAX INCREASE ON THOSE MAKING LESS THAN $250,000 A YEAR NO MATTER WHAT

pledge, that could be the first real "gotcha" moment of all these debates."

Obama would come back and say "John, I SAID no tax increase on couples with incomes of $200,000 year." But single individual taxpayers taking home a quarter of a million dollars...in these economic times when people are losing their houses, pensions, and jobs. C'mon, buck up...pay your fair share!

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Connor:

@boomshak

I could give less than a **** if Obama raises my taxes.

The fact that Americans cry like little babies about being asked to kick in another 3-5% (or corporations being asked to, you know, pay ANY taxes at all), especially when we're in two wars (at least), facing a possible depression, and a fevered planet that is about to purge us like the virus we have become...it's pretty ridiculous. In fact, it's ****ing un-American. It's ****ing disgraceful.

Here's a better idea: the Dems and Republicans could both stand up to their plutocratic masters and close the various tax loopholes. That way, we wouldn't have to raise taxes but would increase revenue. Why do you think the Irish have lower corporate tax rates yet bring in more revenue?

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Boris_Dieter:

No president should ever say he would never raise taxes. It's a ludicrous position. What makes you think that raising taxes on people is a popular thing to do? Most increases in taxes in the past were done either during emergencies or as a result of bracket creep. Boomshak you are more ignorant than I'd have thought of someone who seems fairly literate. You are one of those folks who can play with numbers, but doesn't know squat about history or leadership. You are a classic case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing, with an emphasis on "little knowledge."

One of the problems with our current war is that it involved no tax increase. I propose that when we decide to go to war, particularly those who favor and support it, should be required to pay for it, unless they volunteer to join the military. I mean let's take the whole idea of private, voluntary choice to its logical conclusion.

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Boris_Dieter:

EVERYONE!!!! The U.S. might have nominal corporate taxes at a given level, but due to loopholes and deductions, the ACTUAL, REAL (as if that matters to partisan-crazed-conservatives) corporate tax payments in the U.S. are among the lowest on the planet. Let's try to keep to facts. Or will that scare the likes of Boomshak off to some other site?

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mac_1103:

Should Obama pledge that he will NOT raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000 during his entire Presidency and that taxes on those making over $250,000 a year will never go above Clinton-era rates?

Why not? That's what he's been campaigning on. He's screwed if he deviates from it, whether there's a gotcha soundbite to play back or not.

BTW, Obama has not been in Congress for 12 years. He's been an US Senator for less than four years, and was an Illinois state legislator for eight years before that, the first six of those in the minority.

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thoughtful:

@boomshak

I was really surprized that you dismissed Dieter so readily.

Geez what he was proposing was a real prescription to save your and all the other small business butt!

You simply confirmed the indoctrination that big business and special interests have been using to exercise control. I though you were brighter than that!

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RussTC3:

Gov. Palin says we shouldn't look to the past, but doggone it, I just find the comparison between Rasmussen 2004 and Rasmussen 2008 too darn interesting, ya here?

2008 Rasmussen vs. 2004 Rasmussen Average of last seven days of 3-day rolling averages (Last Tuesday of September through first Monday of October)

9/30-10/06, 2008 (9/28-10/04, 2004)
Obama (51.1) 47.6
McCain (44.4) 49.6
Bush +2.0 vs. Obama +6.7

Couple things to note:
1) Obama is above 50%, while at the same time point in 2004, Bush wasn't even averaging 50% support.
2) Obama is garnering 3.5% more support than Kerry.
3) McCain is lagging Bush's numbers by 5.2%.

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The DowJones is down 500 points as of 1PM; CNN is predicting that more banks will go under, we are watching our 401Ks with anxiety, worrying about affording heat this winter, and groceries this week............and McSame and Failin are talking about Rev. Wright! What a sad, pathetic, out-of-touch duo they are! But keep talking guys - it shows America just what you're made of and how much you care as the country tanks thanks to Republican policy, and what your true priorities are! Yes, keep talking!

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DaylightDisc:

@Boscrap

Put your crack pipe down and get ahold of yourself. I knew once it settled in that Mr MaGoo wasnt going to win that you righties would start throwing a tantrum and start spewing crap, but jeeze, man, get a grip.

I know it hurts to see your candidate failing.
MaGoo isnt going to win. You can try and change the subject all you want. We dont buy the distractions anymore

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Rames1980:

"Should Obama pledge that he will NOT raise taxes on anyone making under $250,000 during his entire Presidency and that taxes on those making over $250,000 a year will never go above Clinton-era rates?"

Should McCain pledge to not ever bomb Iran, no matter what, during his (unlikely) Presidency? The fact is, the US is running pretty huge deficits and the Wall Street bailout also needs to be paid for. The money can come from two sources: taxpayers or borrowed from China. Another option is cutting back military spending by 20-40%. I'd like to hear how McCain plans to square that circle.

Obviously the #1 choice is to borrow the money from China. That way taxes can be lowered, new aircraft carriers can be built and the costs can be conveniently postponed until all involved have already passed away. Obama can do this as easily as Republicans, and the Chinese have shown no reluctance to borrow money to the US. Let the good times roll!

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