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US: Obama 52, McCain 44 (ABCPost-10/25-28)

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ABC News / Washington Post
10/25-28/08; 1,316 LV, 2.5%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

National
Obama 52, McCain 44

 

Comments
Kile Thomson:

McCain Surge Continues... !!!

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kerrchdavis:

lol!

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NextAmericanChapter:

WISEST REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN

Norm Coleman is storming back in Minnesota. He made a really astute political decision to dispense with all negative attacks. This guy gets it, as opposed to Caribou Barbie who almost single-handedly turbo-boosted Obama's fund-raising in September after she took the knives out. McCain/Palin have sunk like a stone in the mid-west where negativity isn't appreciated much.

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boolean_radley:

It was mean to give the Repubs hope this morning.

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ThisLandIsMyLand:

Now this is more like it. Zogby, Rassmussen and Drudge can just go drive off a cliff after this election

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AdamSC:

National polls will increase slightly by tomorrow by 2% in Rasmussen and Gallup. By the next day it will increase even more because of the thirty minute ad and Bill Clinton rally.

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NW Patrick:

OMG my friend just emailed me his OBAMA ROBO CALL. He lives in WA state. WOW. How huge is the Obama robo call campaign if he's calling a state he has no chance of losing? It was a great message. It was Obama speaking about early voting and how he encourages people to vote NOW and not wait.

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

@ThisLandIsMyLand

I still think Ras is not bad but we will see.

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mysticlaker:

If McCain stayed positive (and picked a reasonable VP candidate) this would have been a much different race - I would not have been surprised if we would be looking at a 2004 map again right now.

His mistake, he paniced early. He paniced in July, when the polls had him down a couple of point. His team was not smart enough to realize you can move polls in a few weeks, and don't need a few months. Critical mistake that lost him the election. He went all negative all the time in July...

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Dewey1858:

It's just pathetic that dredging up another trumped up Obama tie to a purported "radical" is the way John McCain apparently is content to end his campaign. Just pathetic.

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carl29:

Battleground didn't change from yesterday. Gallup hardly changed, maybe a bit in Obama favor. Hotline didn't change as well. Zogby hardly changed too. More or less things were kind of stable last night.

*Exception uncle Ras of course :-)

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Hope Reborn:

I think this will end up being the most accurate tracking poll of this cycle, along with the Gallup Expanded. They seem to be tapping into the true nature of this election where as the rest are off on their own reality trip circa 2004...

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Northeastern Republican:

some of these 8 point polls look suspect considering most of what we've seen has been in the 3-7 point range all day. but perhaps its that static that everyone on here always talks about anytime a poll comes out where mccain moves up. regardless though, they arent that far from the high end of some of the ones we've seen all day and when you consider all of the polls from today i think it safe to bet it is roughly at a 5 point race:
ras - o+3
gallup (averaged) - o+5
zogby - o+5
ibd - 0+3
hotline - 0+7
gwu - o+3
cnn - o +8
abc - 0+8
ipso - o+6

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Rollin08:

: )

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SmarterThanYou:

Obama should see a slight boost in the numbers starting tomorrow, and not because of the 30 min ad. Saturday was a huge day for Obama, and Sunday was an even bigger day for McCain. Today's drop was simply Obama's saturday dropping from the rolling average. McCain's sunday drops tomorrow.

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NextAmericanChapter:

@ mysticlaker:

You're right...McCain panicked...which doesn't bode well for a potential commander-in-chief. In comparison, Obama stayed cool early on before the Iowa primaries when he was down by double-digits in the state and every pundit was lamenting about Obama's “naïve” strategy of hope-and-change. Obama was solid as a rock and correctly judged the mood of the state. Superior temperament and superior judgment…I’m really excited about the prospect of an Obama presidency.

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Thatcher:

@NW Patrick:

I got my robocall today from Obama and I live in Iowa.

@NE Republican:

It's a 6 point race.

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johncoz:

RCP and Pollster still see the national numbers as a 50/44 race. So do I.

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NW Patrick:

TICK TOCK TICK TOCK. McCain's surge had better get better than this. Every day is GOLD.

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political_junki:

@NE Republican:
" i think it safe to bet it is roughly at a 5 point race:"

I agree with you, or even 4. But considering it is 5 days to election, and 4 points is among L.V and Obama's structural advantage(**) in Electoral college this lead is insurmountable IMHO.

(**) Read this to see what I mean:
http://americanresearchgroup.com/

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RussTC3:

It looks like we have two different polling strategies emerging.

One that is based on 2004 polling which gives us an Obama lead of between 3 and 5 points and another that takes into account higher turnout more favorable to the Democrats that puts Obama's lead at between 6 and 9 points.

Which is correct? We'll find out soon enough, but I'll choose to average out the low end and the high end and get a race that has Obama up somewhere between 4.5 and 7 points.

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kerrchdavis:

@NW

Hey, you never responded! Don't you know that Obama leading in almost every red swing state AND being ahead nationally by 3 pts at the most conservative estimate is terrible news..FOR OBAMA!

I mean, obviously...right? lol :D

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burrito:

@carl29:

"Battleground didn't change from yesterday. Gallup hardly changed, maybe a bit in Obama favor. Hotline didn't change as well. Zogby hardly changed too. More or less things were kind of stable last night.

*Exception uncle Ras of course :-)"

Interesting that Rasmussen's electoral map (from their daily tracking) has :

Obama : 313 EVs
McCain : 174 EVs
Tossups : 51 EVs (NV, MO, OH and NC)

and they're considering NV as a tossup and IN as deep red!!

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Thatcher:

RCP moved Georgia to Toss-up!

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DecaturMark:

After this election is over and McCain loses can he really go back to the Senate? The Republicans won't talk to him because he brought down what was left of the Party and the Democrats will have nothing to do with him because of his abonimably nasty campaign. He will be persona non gratis. I guess he will just slink back and serve out the remainder of his term. What a sad way for an American patriot to end his political career. He could have run a positive campaign the last few weeks.

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straight talk:

Obama is surging!!!!

+8

His nubers are going to climb up!!!!!

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BUS:

Yeah - 5 points is probably where things are at. That's near enough to Obama's realistic ceiling which is probably +7. So we're in 1992 territory.

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DecaturMark:

@Thatcher:
"RCP moved Georgia to Toss-up!"

That must be that surge thingy that everyone is talking about. ;>)

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mago:

@NextAmCh:

Do you live in Minnesota? The airwaves are full of slimy attack ads against Franken...Coleman simply outsourced them to the NRSC.

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Dewey1858:

"straight talk:
Obama is surging!!!!

+8

His nubers are going to climb up!!!!!"


Why, is it cold in his hotel pool?


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NW Patrick:

@kerrchdavis I just got a Robocall from McCain. Did you know Obama has 2 black babies in wedlock! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

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Dewey1858:

According to CNN, Palin is now talking about her intentions to run for President in 2012. That's gotta make the McCain camp happy.

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NW Patrick:

I don't get it. The GOP will SQUASH PALIN after this election. Mark my words.

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Viperlord:

Frankly I think Palin will have enough trouble getting reelected as Governor.

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NW Patrick:

Let's recap the McCain surge today shall we?

Michigan Rasmussen Obama 53, McCain 43 Obama +10
Minnesota Rasmussen Obama 55, McCain 43 Obama +12
New Mexico Rasmussen Obama 54, McCain 44 Obama +10
Alaska Rasmussen McCain 57, Obama 41 McCain +16
National Rasmussen Reports Obama 50, McCain 47 Obama +3
National Gallup (Traditional)* Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
National Gallup (Expanded)* Obama 51, McCain 44 Obama +7
National Diageo/Hotline Obama 49, McCain 42 Obama +7
National Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama 49, McCain 44 Obama +5
Pennsylvania Marist Obama 55, McCain 41 Obama +14
National ABC News/Wash Post Obama 52, McCain 44 Obama +8
Washington Strategic Vision (R) Obama 54, McCain 42 Obama +12
National IBD/TIPP Obama 47, McCain 44 Obama +3
Ohio Marist Obama 48, McCain 45 Obama +3
Florida CNN/Time Obama 51, McCain 47 Obama +4
Virginia CNN/Time Obama 53, McCain 44 Obama +9
Colorado CNN/Time Obama 53, McCain 45 Obama +8
Missouri CNN/Time Obama 48, McCain 50 McCain +2
Georgia CNN/Time McCain 52, Obama 47 McCain +5
National GWU/Battleground Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
Ohio Associated Press/GfK Obama 48, McCain 41 Obama +7
Ohio Quinnipiac Obama 51, McCain 42 Obama +9
Florida Associated Press/GfK Obama 45, McCain 43 Obama +2
Florida Quinnipiac Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
Pennsylvania Quinnipiac Obama 53, McCain 41 Obama +12
Pennsylvania Associated Press/GfK Obama 52, McCain 40 Obama +12
North Carolina Associated Press/GfK Obama 48, McCain 46 Obama +2
Virginia Associated Press/GfK Obama 49, McCain 42 Obama +7
Colorado Associated Press/GfK Obama 50, McCain 41 Obama +9
New Hampshire Associated Press/GfK Obama 55, McCain 37 Obama +18
Nevada Associated Press/GfK Obama 52, McCain 40 Obama +12
Pennsylvania Franklin & Marshall Obama 53, McCain 40 Obama +13

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OneAngryDwarf:

@NW Patrick

I think they have already started to attempt to squash Palin.

The Romney guys in McCain's campaign are already spearing her every chance they get. All of those anonymous leaks about her being a "diva and a whack job" are from former Romney campaigners working on the McCain campaign.

This is going to be awesome to watch. Republican knife fight to the death.

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faithhopelove:

UPCOMING ON THE TRAIL
(updated)


6 Days Ago:

Obama ~ IN
Joe Biden ~ NC

McCain ~ FL
Palin ~ PA


5 Days Ago:

Obama ~ HI
Joe Biden ~ WV, VA
Michelle Obama ~ OH
Jill Biden ~ FL
Hillary ~ PA, CO
Bill Clinton ~ KY

McCain ~ CO
Palin ~ PA, MO


4 Days Ago:

Obama ~ NV, NM
Joe Biden ~ VA
Jill Biden ~ FL
Hillary ~ TX, NM, UT

McCain ~ NM
Palin ~ IA, IN


3 Days Ago:

Obama ~ CO

McCain ~ IA, OH
Palin ~ FL, NC


2 Days Ago:

Obama ~ OH, PA
Joe Biden ~ NC, FL
Michelle Obama ~ NV

McCain ~ OH, PA
Palin ~ VA


Yesterday:

Obama ~ PA, VA
Joe Biden ~ FL
Michelle Obama ~ NM, CO
Hillary ~ NH

McCain ~ PA, NC
Palin ~ PA


Today:

Obama ~ NC, FL
Joe Biden ~ FL
Michelle Obama ~ NC
Bill Clinton ~ PA, FL

McCain ~ FL
Palin ~ OH, IN


Tomorrow:

Obama ~ FL, VA, MO
Joe Biden ~ MO, PA
Bill Clinton ~ OH, MN

McCain ~ OH
Palin ~ MO, OH, PA


Friday:

Obama ~ MO, IA, IN
Joe Biden ~ PA, DE
Gore ~ FL

McCain ~ OH
Palin ~ PA

Saturday:

Obama ~ CO, NV
Joe Biden ~ IN
Hillary ~ FL
Bill Clinton ~ WV

McCain ~ VA
Palin ~ NC, VA


Sunday:

Joe Biden ~ OH
Bill Clinton ~ NH


Monday:

McCain ~ AZ?


Speculation on locations of Obama's final weekend (Sunday-Monday) rallies:

Philadelphia
Cleveland
Columbus
Cincinnati
Charleston
Miami
Tampa-St. Petersburg
Arlington
Charlotte
Atlanta
Phoenix/Tempe
Tucson

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DecaturMark:

@NW Patrick:
"I don't get it. The GOP will SQUASH PALIN after this election. Mark my words."

It all depends on which faction/sect of the GOP that comes out on top.

Palin is the future of the radical right conservatives. If the moderates (who hope to win an election again in their lifetimes) end up on top, then I agree with you.

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I am on my hands and knees PRAYING for Palin to be the nominee in 2012. That retard vs an incumbent Obama? It'll be 1972 or 1984 in reverse.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

lol

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PHGrl:

WHat happened to the map? its all gray!

did the obama surge overload the system?

or did we time warp to Nov 5th?

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Trosen:

A post-election GOP civil war is coming. And the leading factions are Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney.. wow. Dark days ahead for the GOP.

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M2:

NW Patrick - "I don't get it. The GOP will SQUASH PALIN after this election. Mark my words."

Golly, you think her secessionist husband might be an issue in a Republican primary?

Honestly, in the wake of ethics violations and shady pipeline bids, she'll do well to win re-election in Alaska.

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faithhopelove:

SWING STATE NEWSPAPER ENDORSEMENTS


CO
O: 13
M: 4

FL
O: 12
M: 4

GA
O: 3
M: 0

IN
O: 5
M: 0

IA:
O: 6
M: 3

ME
O: 3
M: 1

MN
O: 2
M: 2

MO
O: 4
M: 0

MT
O: 1
M: 0

NV
O: 2
M: 2

NH
O: 6
M: 3

NM
O: 3
M: 1

NC
O: 9
M: 0

ND
O: 0
M: 1

OH
O: 13
M: 7

PA
O: 17
M: 5

VA
O: 4
M: 11

WV
O: 3
M: 1

WI
O: 7
M: 3

See:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230

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shirefox:

@NextAmericanChapter

Coleman was also helped by the stupid Minneapolis Star-Tribune endorsing him. The astoundingly lame reason they cited? That Coleman has moved to the center since the campaign started. WTF? Seriously, that's what they said. Yes, they're crazy.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

For the first the RCP map matches the pollster one, at least they're agree on something

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DecaturMark:

Palin has the followers, Romney has the money. Palin is the darling of the Christian right, Romney is the fiscal conservative's dream. It will tear the GOP to pieces. They will have to find a compromise that will dispease both sides.

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Thatcher:

@shirefox:

They're hedging their bets. They know Franken won't hold it against them should he win - but they know the Republican Party and Coleman would if he should win.

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mysticlaker:

McDesperate going to Maine....

http://www.bangornews.com/detail/92168.html

Wow...Playing for the 1 EV that in a state he is down 53-36.

Holy ****.

I was in this part of Maine a few weeks ago with many woman at a party. They despise Palin. They despise what she represents compared to what they fought for their whole lives.

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striatic:

@NW Patrick

"OMG my friend just emailed me his OBAMA ROBO CALL. He lives in WA state. WOW. How huge is the Obama robo call campaign if he's calling a state he has no chance of losing?"

There's an extremely close Governor's race in the state, and I'd imagine part of the reason for this is to drum up support for the overall demoractic slate.

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Viperlord:

Wow. Lots of chaos today. Race baiting, wild accusations from both sides, and boskop's absolutely inhumanly disgusting rant.

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Can there be an "out-of-control orgy"?:

I live in chicago about 2 miles from grant park. If you have an extra ticket/tickets for Obama's acceptance speech and need a place to stay, let's talk!


isophist@yahoo.com

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faithhopelove:

"ACTUAL VOTER" NUMBERS IN SUSA/SUFFOLK/RASMUSSEN/PPP/LATIMES/Q POLLS
(most recent polls for each pollster)

VA
SUSA
O: 67%
M: 30%

NM
SUSA
O: 60%
M: 37%

IA
SUSA
O: 65%
M: 31%

IN
SUSA
O: 50%
M: 46%

OH
SUSA
O: 56%
M: 39%
LATIMES
O: 57%
M: 35%
Q
O: 57%
M: 31%

NC
SUSA
O: 59%
M: 36%
PPP
O: 63%
M: 36%
RASMUSSEN: From the narrative of yesterday's Rasmussen poll of NC: "Obama leads among North Carolina voters who have already cast their ballots, while McCain leads among those who have not."

GA
SUSA
O: 52%
M: 46%

FL
SUSA
O: 45%
M: 53%
LATIMES
O: 45%
M: 49%
http://www.latimes.com/media/acrobat/2008-10/43084942.pdf
Suffolk
O: 60%
M: 40%
See:
http://www.wsvn.com/news/articles/local/MI101890
Q
O: 58%
M: 34%


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faithhopelove:

UPCOMING ON THE TRAIL
(updated)


6 Days Ago:

Obama ~ IN
Joe Biden ~ NC

McCain ~ FL
Palin ~ PA


5 Days Ago:

Obama ~ HI
Joe Biden ~ WV, VA
Michelle Obama ~ OH
Jill Biden ~ FL
Hillary ~ PA, CO
Bill Clinton ~ KY

McCain ~ CO
Palin ~ PA, MO


4 Days Ago:

Obama ~ NV, NM
Joe Biden ~ VA
Jill Biden ~ FL
Hillary ~ TX, NM, UT

McCain ~ NM
Palin ~ IA, IN


3 Days Ago:

Obama ~ CO

McCain ~ IA, OH
Palin ~ FL, NC


2 Days Ago:

Obama ~ OH, PA
Joe Biden ~ NC, FL
Michelle Obama ~ NV

McCain ~ OH, PA
Palin ~ VA


Yesterday:

Obama ~ PA, VA
Joe Biden ~ FL
Michelle Obama ~ NM, CO
Hillary ~ NH

McCain ~ PA, NC
Palin ~ PA


Today (October 29th):

Obama ~ NC, FL
Joe Biden ~ FL
Michelle Obama ~ NC
Bill Clinton ~ PA, FL

McCain ~ FL
Palin ~ OH, IN


Tomorrow:

Obama ~ FL, VA, MO
Joe Biden ~ MO, PA
Bill Clinton ~ OH, MN

McCain ~ OH
Palin ~ MO, OH, PA


Friday:

Obama ~ MO, IA, IN
Joe Biden ~ PA, DE
Gore ~ FL

McCain ~ OH
Palin ~ PA

Saturday:

Obama ~ CO, NV
Joe Biden ~ IN
Hillary ~ FL
Bill Clinton ~ WV

McCain ~ VA
Palin ~ NC, VA


Sunday:

Joe Biden ~ OH
Bill Clinton ~ NH


Monday:

McCain ~ AZ?


Speculation on locations of Obama's final weekend (Sunday-Monday) rallies:

Philadelphia
Cleveland
Columbus
Cincinnati
Charleston
Miami
Tampa-St. Petersburg
Arlington
Charlotte
Atlanta
Phoenix/Tempe
Tucson

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deeznutsrepubs:

gin-

No doubt. No doubt. I pray for that daily as well. These clowns don't understand the power of an incumbent Obama. After all the nonsense about how he will tax middle class people is shown to be BS, after all the crap about how he might appoint "radicals" to his cabinet are proven to be horse crap, then what are they going to say??

Palin is an effing retard for sure and no amount of coaching will negate that. She is a dim bulb. I will vote for her in the primaries to make sure she is nominated. I believe we ALL should vote for her in the primaries. Either her or a real middle of the road fool who has no chance of getting elected - like romney. How many christian zealots would vote for a mormon?? LOL. It is going to be hilarious in 2012.

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boomshak:

Yawn. More bullsh*t from the MSM.

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political_junki:

Yawn. More bullsh*t from the BOOM BOOMI :-)

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Viperlord:

Speaking of chaos.....

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faithhopelove:

SWING STATE NEWSPAPER ENDORSEMENTS


CO
O: 13
M: 4

FL
O: 12
M: 4

GA
O: 3
M: 0

IN
O: 5
M: 1

IA:
O: 6
M: 3

ME
O: 3
M: 1

MN
O: 2
M: 2

MO
O: 4
M: 0

MT
O: 1
M: 0

NV
O: 2
M: 2

NH
O: 6
M: 3

NM
O: 3
M: 1

NC
O: 9
M: 0

ND
O: 0
M: 1

OH
O: 13
M: 7

PA
O: 17
M: 5

VA
O: 4
M: 11

WV
O: 3
M: 1

WI
O: 7
M: 3

See:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230

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Ryguy:

about this whole palin 2012 thing, has anyone even thought to mention that she very well may not make it out of the primaries? running her own campaign is different than what shes been doing, and lord knows the republican attacks against her would be ten times worse than what the dems have attacked her on. honestly i dont think shes strong enough to get the nomination on her own.

with that said... a republican civil war is coming. and im excited about it. not because i want to see the republicans suffer, but because their civil war is going to be so much more bad ass than the democrat's civil war. evangelicals, neo con war mongers, battle axes, giants trolls...ron paul... should be a lot of fun to watch!

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Thatcher:

@Ryguy -

Republican civil war will make WarHammer40K look like a 60's sit-in. (for those of you not into gaming - sorry).

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DecaturMark:

I would not be surprised to see the conservative faction of the GOP go more libertarian. They may pull in the Paul supporters. Then there will be the Christian Right GOP and the Libertarian GOP.

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NW Patrick:

boomshak awww babe. Out of silver lining today?

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Viperlord:

MOAR CIVIL WAR PLEASE. But seriously, it'll be fun watching morons like Romney, Huckabee, and the Goddess of Stupidity herself, Palin, rip each other apart.

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NW Patrick:

The GOP is ****ed. The youth will remember this race and all of the ugliness. As the "greatest" generation dies there will be less and less patience for the bull****.

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carl29:

WMUR tracking poll in New Hampshire:

"Today's numbers show John McCain still has a battle for New Hampshire voters on his hands. He's down 34 to 58 percent. Our tracking numbers don't show a major change over the last three days."

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mysticlaker:

the biggest failure of the "greatest generation" was not integrating troops during ww II. If that had happened we would be a very different country today.

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faithlovehope

I have a question. When you post those early voting numbers with the percentages, you list the 'actual' votes as O or M percentages. Are these actually counted votes or are they saying that someone who is a registered democrat or someone who is a registered republican cast a ballot. I ask because I think it's significant. I would think you can't assume just because a person is a registered democrat that that means they voted for Obama. And vice versa.

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Boris_Dieter:

@NW Patrick

Hey, as a child of a member of the "greatest" generation, I take offense. Us annoying boomers also have little patience for the bull****. I do have to say that Boomshak seems to utterly twirled right into oblivion. It's sad, but funny.

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faithhopelove:

Colorado
Dem 38.6%
Rep 37.9%
No/Oth 23.5%

Florida
Dem 45.4%
Rep 39.0%
No/Oth 15.6%

Georgia
Race
White 60.6%
Black 35.2%
Other/Unk 2.4%
Sex
Men 40.8%
Women 56.2%
Unk 1.3%

Iowa
Dem 48.9%
Rep 28.5%
No/Oth 22.7%

Louisiana
Dem 58.4%
Rep 28.5%
No/Oth 13.1%
Race
White 61.1%
Black 36.0%
Other 2.9%
Sex
Men 43.6%
Women 56.4%

Maine
Dem 44.5%
Rep 28.6%
No/Oth 26.9%

Nevada
Clark Cnty
Dem 53.7%
Rep 29.6%
No/Oth 16.7%
Washoe Cnty
Dem 50.6%
Rep 33.2%
No/Oth 16.2%

New Mexico
Bernalillo Cnty
Dem 55.1%
Rep 32.3%
No/Oth 12.6%

North Carolina
Dem 54.0%
Rep 28.6%
None 17.4%
Age
18-29 12.3%
30-44 20.7%
45-64 41.7%
65+ 25.3%
Race
White 68.4%
Black 27.6%
Other 3.9%
Sex
Men 42.8% 42.9%
Women 56.3% 56.6%
Unk 0.2% 0.4%

See:
http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

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mirrorball:

@Ryguy: you're right, she may not make it out of the primaries if she runs. But for now she is the most visible conservative Republican in the country, so it's natural some folks would start talking up her chances.

But four years is a long time in politics. Remember it wasn't so long ago everyone thought Hillary or Rudy might be the candidates. I wouldn't be surprised if there's someone out there no one is talking about who will rise to prominence in the party within four years. Or, since the GOP seems like to favor the candidate who has earned the establishment backing as next in line (Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain) -- someone like Romney or Palin wouldn't be surprising.

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WhereisMitt:

OK,

So now I'm confused. Apparently, tonight on Larry King, McCain will say that Obama is NOT a socialist. He's now pivoting back to just saying he's far left. Which is it? Socialist or not? What a mess of a campaign he's waged. Sheesh.

http://thepage.time.com/

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carl29:

Working Class,

Of course that they can't count the votes right now. It's got to be done on election day. However, just by plain logic every time a Democrat votes it is +80% chance that it was for Obama, same goes for McCain when a Republican votes.

Obviously that none of these candidates will gather 100% of votes from those affiliated to their party; nonetheless, they got a better shot at capturing the vote of their party faithful than from the other side.

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faithhopelove:

Working Class:

The "actual voters" post was a list of info from polls of the respective states; it captures what early voters have told pollsters about how they have voted.

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NW Patrick:
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OneAngryDwarf:

Awesome!!!

I just got an RNC/McCain Robocall in Tucson AZ!!!

Desperation oozing from every orafice of the Republican party.

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NW Patrick:

OneAngryDwarf what did the robot say!?

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faithhopelove

Oh ok thank you. :)

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Basil:

NW

I'm jumping off- and on-line today, so I missed you a couple of threads back. My Question:

Is Oregon's vote by mail system great, or what? The idea of long voting lines is nuts, and does represent disenfranchisement on its face. The people who can't afford to wait for hours are severely discriminated against.

Are we going to see a voting day that has people waiting until dawn on Nov. 5 to vote in FL , VA, GA and other battleground states?

There's a better way, and it's spelled OREGON, dammit!

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OneAngryDwarf:

@NW Patrick

Barack Obama is dangerously inexperienced in foreign policy, blah, blah, blah.

I only answered because I thought it was a robocall and I wanted to try and confirm the depth of the Republican problem. If McCain is running ads here (in his home state) less than a week before the election, there is trouble in paradise.

Dreaming of a blue AZ!!!

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BrookLynda:

Sorry, Boom. I know, it hurts.

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NW Patrick:

Basil just as I don't understand the GOP our system is amazing. Early voting? Who cares. As long as my mail is postmarked by Tuesday I'm good. I did my ballot a week ago over a beer. Read the voter pamplet, googled information on non-partisan judges, read online about nay and yay arguments for a few propositions like run-off elections, etc. You can't beat it. It AMAZES me the states don't JUST DO IT. My god, the expense of all those polling stations, etc. Oregon's system has GOT TO BE cheaper per resident.

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carl29:

OneAngryDwarf,

Wow!!! They are in bigger trouble than I had thought: Robo-calling people in Tucson, AZ? I mean, isn't that McCain home state? OMG!!!!

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Next they'll be robo-calling and going door to door along Goldwater Ave. in Scottsdale.

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NW Patrick:

And I will add if you don't TRUST the mail, then you can hand deliver your ballot to any state office. It's a no brainer! Why doesn't EVERY STATE DO THIS? Jesus.

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jonny87:

can anyone work out the individual days on rasmussen tracker.

also, is it true that rasmussen has been playing around with the numbers...internals dont add up?

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NW Patrick:

AND NOT only that gaming the system is VERY difficult because you have to have proof of residency since they MAIL ballots. Ballots cannot be mail forwarded either.

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Observer:

Small drop in the trackers for Obama today, average 5.0 down to 4.8. But within those figures three trackers ticked up 1% for Obama. They were all polls which had good Saturday figures drop out of the calculation:

Gallop (T) ...McCain gained 2 on Saturday
Zogby.........McCain gained 4 on Saturday
ABC...........McCain gained 2 on Saturday

There will probably be an uptick for Obama tomorrow in Kos and Rasmussen because they both had very good Sunday figures for McCain (both showed a 3 point gain). If they don't it will mean another very good McCain day with those pollsters.

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mysticlaker:
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Thatcher:

McCain on Larry King: "but I am totally convinced that 99 and forty-four one-hundredths percent of Americans are going to make the decision based on who is best to lead this country."

McCain thinks that Americans are like Ivory Soap? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_Snow

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political_junki:

jonny87:
Maybe it is time to focus on state polls instead of nationals.
How about GA early voting. I am pleasantly surprised that AA turnout has remained steady!

It seems NV will be almost sealed before election day :-)

Specially because unlike southern Dems, Western Dems dont have a tradition of voting Rep in presidential election ,look at the numbers:

Nevada#
html
376,139
45.2%
831,563 53.1% 10/27
Clark Cnty
html
241,861
Party
Dem
53.7%
Rep
29.6%
No/Oth
16.7%
50.1%
546,858 59.4%
10/28
Washoe Cnty
html
58,959
Party
Dem
50.6%
Rep
33.2%
No/Oth
16.2%
37.0%
159,511 33.0%
10/27

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lhtk:

Thanks, faithhopelove. Glad to see MO getting some love from Obama/Biden tomorrow and Friday.

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carl29:

Barack looks so, so, so, so presidential :-)

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faithhopelove:

UPCOMING ON THE TRAIL
(updated)


6 Days Ago:

Obama ~ IN
Joe Biden ~ NC

McCain ~ FL
Palin ~ PA


5 Days Ago:

Obama ~ HI
Joe Biden ~ WV, VA
Michelle Obama ~ OH
Jill Biden ~ FL
Hillary ~ PA, CO
Bill Clinton ~ KY

McCain ~ CO
Palin ~ PA, MO


4 Days Ago:

Obama ~ NV, NM
Joe Biden ~ VA
Jill Biden ~ FL
Hillary ~ TX, NM, UT

McCain ~ NM
Palin ~ IA, IN


3 Days Ago:

Obama ~ CO

McCain ~ IA, OH
Palin ~ FL, NC


2 Days Ago:

Obama ~ OH, PA
Joe Biden ~ NC, FL
Michelle Obama ~ NV

McCain ~ OH, PA
Palin ~ VA


Yesterday:

Obama ~ PA, VA
Joe Biden ~ FL
Michelle Obama ~ NM, CO
Hillary ~ NH

McCain ~ PA, NC
Palin ~ PA


Today (October 29th):

Obama ~ NC, FL
Joe Biden ~ FL
Michelle Obama ~ NC
Bill Clinton ~ PA, FL

McCain ~ FL
Palin ~ OH, IN


Tomorrow:

Obama ~ FL, VA, MO
Joe Biden ~ MO, PA
Bill Clinton ~ OH, MN

McCain ~ OH
Palin ~ MO, OH, PA


Friday:

Obama ~ MO, IA, IN
Joe Biden ~ PA, DE
Gore ~ FL

McCain ~ OH
Palin ~ PA


Saturday:

Obama ~ MO, CO, NV
Joe Biden ~ IN, OH?
Hillary ~ FL
Bill Clinton ~ WV

McCain ~ VA
Palin ~ NC, VA


Sunday:

Joe Biden ~ OH?
Bill Clinton ~ NH

McCain ~ ME? NH? PA?


Monday:

McCain ~ AZ?


Speculation on locations of Obama's final weekend (Sunday-Monday) rallies:

Philadelphia
Cleveland
Columbus
Cincinnati
Charleston
Miami
Tampa-St. Petersburg
Arlington
Charlotte
Atlanta
Phoenix/Tempe
Tucson


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slinky:

McCain's chief pollster spoke on the radio tonight. I heard it while I was visiting DC. He said that most battleground states were '...too close to call...' and that he was talking about their (McCain's) internal polling, using 3000 calls each night, because there has been such a shift the last several days. He further said that their internal polling showed that within the margin of error, that it was a dead heat.

I think it is more McCain lies; this time about polling results.

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Dewey1858:

"McCain's chief pollster spoke on the radio tonight. I heard it while I was visiting DC. He said that most battleground states were '...too close to call...'"

He's probably referring to AZ, MO, GA, NC, ND, SD, MT ...

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jonny87:

@political_junki

the states polls do seem alright even if the nationals are narrowing. financial advanatage?

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webim:

my concern is the rebound on intrad that I don't understand .. Really :-(

look on five days

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rami:

"UPCOMING ON THE TRAIL"

Obama and Biden have Hillary, Bill Clinton, and occasionnaly Gore, Kerry and even Dean campaigning for them.

Mccain and Biden are sooo lonely. Is there NO republican politician loyal enough to campaign for them, and popular enough to do more good than harm?

Let's forget immediately Bush, Cheney, Rumsleld Rice and such, the people hate them.

HEY, who's the most popular republican big name? I guess it's Colin Po... never mind.

Romney hates Mccain/Palin. Ron Paul will remain a true maverick. Shwarzenegger is relatively popular but he is staying carefully outside. Cornyn is a buffoon.

Mccain and Palin look like they're walking in the desert.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

@slinky

Do you expect them to say that they are far behind and it's becoming tougher and tougher to catch up?

If they did that would discourage their base to turn out, what's the point of going to vote (especially waiting 3 or 4 hours in an endless line) for my guy if he's far behind and there's no way he's gonna pull it off

This is a plus for Obama voters at least such a statement will make them less complacent

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Dewey1858:

"(McCain's) internal polling, using 3000 calls each night,"

Apparently, they're collect ...

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slinky:

The point is, they are lying in order to try and create Mo.

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Boris_Dieter:

Why in the world would anyone take seriously a partisan pollster, democrat or republican? Of course the McCain pollster will tell you that all is within the margin of error. the fact is they cannot do daily tracing with much accuracy across a bunch of states. No one could. The general drift of dozens of separate polls and the direction they are going are more accurate. The Sow with Lipstick and the Erratic Ex-Pilot are going down, down, down. Poor Alaska, they are going to have to deal with that ignorant bimbo for the next couple of years. I do hope she tries to make a play for some big role in the GOP.

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straight talk:

So OBama is makink a power play for FLorida and it looks like McCain is willing to just let him take it! Obama has events scheduled there everyday this week, while McCain is wishing for Pennsylvania!

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slinky:

He said a bunch of other things that are lies. Like Rasmussen is narrowing, like Gallup is narrowing, that Obama is falling below 50 etc.

There is no end to the lies that McCain and his campaigners will tell...

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boomshak:

OBAMA WANTS TO "SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND" YET HE IS A MULTI-MILLIONAIRE AND HAS MULTIPLE RELATIVES LIVING IN POVERTY?

How does that work exacttly?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5042571.ece

Found in a rundown Boston estate: Barack Obama’s aunt Zeituni Onyango

Barack Obama has lived one version of the American Dream that has taken him to the steps of the White House. But a few miles from where the Democratic presidential candidate studied at Harvard, his Kenyan aunt and uncle, immigrants living in modest circumstances in Boston, have a contrasting American story.

Zeituni Onyango, the aunt so affectionately described in Mr Obama’s best-selling memoir Dreams from My Father, lives in a disabled-access flat on a rundown public housing estate in South Boston.

Don't forget, he also has a half-brother living in a metal shed.

On top of this, Barack Obama only gave A FRACTION of what the average American gives in charity.

CONCLUSION:
Barack Obama is completely full of sh*t.


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Dewey1858:

Anyone else find this funny and incredibly scary at the same time?:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?id=6140030&page=1

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carl29:

The McCain guy in Hardball, what's his name?, was talking about McCain's memo, "tighting" in the polls. He himself admits that you do that to "inject" energy into your campaign operation, your troops on the ground, your volunteers. It's all about morale, which directly impacts turnout. Bottom line: Spin in the best "Meet me in Florida" Guliani style :-)

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boomshak:

So, what do you guys think of Barack Obama's dear Aunt Zeituni Onyango living in abject poverty in Boston?

Does that even bother any of you just a little bit?

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slinky:

Here's the interview:

http://wtop.com/emedia/136033.mp3

it's with

Bill McInturff, Chief Pollster, John McCain for President Campaign

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

@slinky:

"There is no end to the lies that McCain and his campaigners will tell..."

That's why I've chosen McPalinocchio as user name :-) the only difference between them and Pinocchio is the fact that their noses are not getting any longer when they spew lies over and over.
While I agree with them that the Ras nationwide poll is getting close(which goes the opposite way of their state polls that matter), that doesn't make the Obama's numbers drop below 5, it's been 50-52 for over one month as per Ras, and the average of the 3 Gallup polls is greater or equal to 50.
Don't get complacent get out to vote and see if they are going to state on Nov 5th that their internal polls don't match the election outcomes on Nov 4th. We can make them look nuts only we vote

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zotz:

Boom-
I think I have the answer. He doesn't want to give his money to his aunt and uncle. He wants to give YOUR money to his aunt and uncle.

P.S. So do I! LOL!!!

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carl29:

boomshak,

No, it doesn't bother me one little bit. My father left my mother when I was 9 months old. He and his relatives are total strangers to me, why in the heaven should I carry the burden of them? No way Jose!!!!!

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Boris_Dieter:

@Boomshak

Wow, you are definitely deteriorating. That little veneer of civility and knowledge is melting away. I think it's time you slipped away and joined the rest of your craven, disgusting dung fleas; perhaps a resume to the GOP national committee is in order, where you can relish in the pile of slime they specialize in. You are a pathetic loser.

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oberon:

Does anyone know if the Obama broadcast tonight is available on the internet?

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Boris_Dieter:

oberon, I am sure it'll be on youtube

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political_junki:

boomshak:
Isnt it pathetic how low you have stooped? From analyzing polls and talk about politics to referencing Drudge?
You are a symbol of conservative right: Angry, shallow, self-deceiving, childish, without any read agenda, slave to the news cycle (from Drudge at that!)
You want to see why your side and your brand is in such deep ****? look at yourself and your posts :-)

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carl29:

oberon,

I'm not sure but you could try

http://www.barackobama.com/live/

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Dana Adini:

boom get a life

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

I see you're still in the business of coughing of turds for talking points.

@zotz

ROFLMAO! :D

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Basil:

NW

A small correction. In Oregon you have to get your ballot into the hands of the elections people by Tuesday. A Tuesday postmark doesn't do. Makes sense, and if you don't have your ballot mailed by Tuesday, as you say, you can drive, bike, or walk to the elections office and drop your ballot in a secure outdoor box--or walk inside if you're ultra -paranoid. No lines, no waiting, no challenges, no touch screens, no clothing restrictions, nothing! And our forms aren't punched. No f***ing chads! You connect two halves of an arrow with an indelible pen stroke, so it clearly points to your choice.

It's killing me to see people waiting in long lines to vote.

If Oregon voting laws had applied in Ohio in 2004, John Kerry would be president today. If they had applied in Florida in 2000, Al Gore might be ending his second term now.

Wake up, everybody! Are you happy to be living in a banana (or maybe Bonnano) republic?

Screw all voting machines! Vote by mail! Go Ducks! (OK, I just threw in that last one. Quack, quack, quack.)

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kerrchdavis:

*coughing UP turds

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Rollin08:

Boom,

Obviously Obama should buy his aunt and "half brother" a condo. Yeah...

I don't think he should be elected because he didn't buy his entire family and distant family new homes etc. He isn't perfect! You found the chink in his armor! wow..

Are you even sure he has enough money.. oh nm you're right, whatever. There's never been a president elected that doesn't first buy distant and not so distant family homes, condos, etc.. good point.

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Boris_Dieter:

@political_junki

Don't bother with Boomshak. He tries to sound like he's reasonable, but in the end he is unable to restrain that seam of hate and bile that characterizes the base of the GOP. You can always tell what a GOP operative is up by what he's accusing you of. There is no more titanic hypocrite, no more spiteful, resentful jerk than a GOP foot-soldier. Boomshak is out of control because he knows what is happening, and its making him crazy. I am so pleased that the GOP has Sarah Palin and a cranky, unstable old man as standard bearers. What a deep hole that party is in! How low it's partisans have stooped. Tough ****, Boomshat

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

Interesting folks!
While Obama and Biden are campaigning in FL Palin is campaigning in IN a state that hasn't been won by a democrat since 1964, that gives a glimpse of where the race stands at less than 6 days to election day

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Rollin08:

Boomshak, just a tad bit unreasonable..

He was just saying he had this big, HUGE, news that was going to sink Obama. It turned out to be the web-site donations thing lol. Also, he said Obama was quaking in his boots like last Wed because of the big turn around. There's been so much like this that just hasn't panned out.

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RossPhx:

Hey, can't we find Travis the Composer to set Palin's latest interview to country music?

I'm just ... thinkin'
that it's gonna go our way
on Tuesday, November 4.

I truly believe that
the wisdom of ...
of the people will be
revealed on that day.

As they enter that voting booth,
they will understand
the stark contrast
between the two tickets.

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Ann Arbor Lupin:

Because of Bradley effect and the fear of untested candidate, Obama has to lead at least by 6 points in the battle ground states to win the election.

Subtracting 6 from Obama's lead would be a good idea, which means it's only a 2-point race, which in turn means, it's deadlock.

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straight talk:

Where is your proof of a Bradly Effect?

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political_junki:

Ann Arbor Lupin:
Why dont you subtract 10 points and give McCane the lead while you are at it ? :)
In western states Bradley effect is non-existent (like NV, CO, NM) in PA maybe, but Obama is 10 pints ahead there. In OH maybe as well, and I agree it is a tossup.

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Observer:

slinky said: "He said a bunch of other things that are lies. Like Rasmussen is narrowing, like Gallup is narrowing, that Obama is falling below 50 etc.
There is no end to the lies that McCain and his campaigners will tell... "

Huh? What lies? The figures are published daily on this site:

Rasmussen last Saturday O +8 and today O +3
Gallop (traditional) last Saturday O + 7 and today O +3

Current RCP National Average for Obama = 49.9%

Support Obama by all means but there is no point in calling somebody a liar for quoting the facts.

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boomshak:

CONFESSIONS OF AN OBAMA CAMPAIGN INSIDER:

sarah p Says:
October 27, 2008 at 5:04 am

Ok, I want to clear my conscious a little. Hopefully you could make a blog post to help some fellow clinton supporters out.

I work for a campaign and can’t wait for this week to be over.

I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate but over time grew to love HRC.

The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate and finally dispirit you.

We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”

We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.

We did this the whole primary and it worked.

Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.

This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues.

Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support.

People makes posts to the effect that the world has “gone mad”

Thats the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending.

We have also had quite a hand in skewing many many polls, some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked. But many we have spoiled over. Just enough to make real clear politics look scarey to a mccain supporter. Its worked, alough the goal was to appear 13-15 points ahead.

see, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner, go with the flow, become “sheeple”

The polls are roughly 3-5 points in favor of Barack. Thats due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple.

Our donors, are the same people who finance the MSM. Their interests are tied, Barack then tends to come across as teflon. Nothing sticks. And trust, there were meetings with Fox news. The goal was to blunt them as much as possible. Watch Bill Oreilly he has become much more diplomatic and “fair and balanced” and soft. Its because he wants to retain the #1 spot on cable news and to do that he has to have access to the Obama campaign and we worked hard at stringing him a long and keeping him soft for an interview swap. It worked and now he is anticipating more access. So he is playing it still soft.

This is why nothing sticks.

The operation is massive, the goal is to paint a picture that is that of a winner, regardless of the results.

There is no true inauguration draft or true grant park construction going on. There will be a party, but we are boasting beyond the truth to make it seem like the election is wrapped up.

Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral. We worked hard at persuasion and paying off and timing and playing the right political numbers to get key republican endorsements to make it seem even more like it was over and the world was coming to an end for you all.

There is a huge staff of people working around the clock, watching every site, blogs, etc. We flood these sites. We have had a goal to overwhelm.

The truth is here. I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

I am saying this because I know HRC was better for the country, and now realize this. I was too late by the time I connected to her. To me Barack was just a cool young dude that seemed like a star. I didn’t know him or his policies, but now I understand more than I care to and I realize his interests are more for him, and the DNC and all working like puppets with dean. I always thought a president wanted the better good for the country. The end result I see is everyone dependent on the government, this means more and more people voting for the DNC. This means the future is forever altered. I don’t see this as america, so I am now supporting John Mccain.

Sarah Palin is a huge threat, and our campaign has feared her like you can’t imagine. If it seems unfair how she has been treated, well its because she has had a team working round the clock to make her look like a fool.

this is a big conspiracy and I am so shocked that its not realized.

We released a little blurb the other day that the Obama campaign was already working on reelection and now putting our efforts towards 2012. This was to make it seem like it was above us to continue caring about 2008. Trust me, its a lie. David is very smart, but its a sticky ugly not very truthful kind of intelligence.

Its not over yet, but I think the machine is working. And its a hill to climb.

I will be quitting my post on nov 5th and my vote will be for John Mccain. Fortunately, my position has been a marketing position and I don’t feel I had any part of anything I would feel guilty for. But I look forward to getting out of this as the negativity and environment upsets me.

I wish you all well, and goodluck.

PS my name is not really sarah. but I am a female and I understand your plight.

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webim:

BS...
Why intrade is going up for Mccain and down for Obama .
I'm going to be anxious

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

ZzzzZZZzzzzZZ....pathetic.

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political_junki:

"Current RCP National Average for Obama = 49.9%"
It didnt go down because of Rass or Gallup, it went down because the WSJ and Newsweek polls with high Obama leads rolled off.

Obama was +8 on weekend bin Rass correct but was +4 one day before that. Isnt that cherry picking?

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boomshak:

IF TRUE, THAT IS SOME SCARY SH*T...

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political_junki:

BOOM:
Are you insured?
You are gonna need a lot of therapy after this election :-)

Maybe you can sue the Obama campaign since because of their extraordinary good operation and eventual win you had mental break down and and make the money for the shrink

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MNLatteLiberal:

boom, why doesn't this anonymous snitch reveal her name? I tell you why, because to quote boomshak, the whole thing is bull****!

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boomshak:

@MNLatteLiberal:

Maybe it is bullsh*t. Who knows? But would it really surprise you if it was all true? I mean, those are the tactics Obama has been using.

He is a completely corrupt socialist.

His beloved Aunt lives in a f*cking slum. "Spread the wealth around" my ass! Why doesn't someone ask Obama why he doesn't give more to charity since he is so anxious to help?

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green baby green:

@ann arbor...

FYI, there is NO Bradley effect, it does not exist. The polls were showing a tightening race here in CA. It was NOT a surprise Badley lost the election.

The fact that none of the pollsters (except Pew I believe) use cell phone only users in their polls skews the results toward Mccain. Couple that with the ongoing GOTV campaign (which is energized by polls showing things getting closer) and you know what you get? A landslide victory for Obama - at least 8% victory in the TV, and 350 + in the EV...

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DTM:

And if you believe "Sarah P", I have a story about a McCain campaign worker and a dyslexic mugger in Pittsburgh that I am sure you will enjoy.

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carl29:

Yes guys, remember that the Bradley Effect will deliver the election for McCain :-)

I just wonder why McCain is robo-calling his own home state? Is Obama 6% ahead of McCain in AZ? Isn't there a Bradley Effect in AZ? Ah...AZ people don't tell lies :-)!!!!!

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kerrchdavis:

this "commercial" is awesome. Really well done so far. This will be effective.

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political_junki:

@BOOM:
"Maybe it is bullsh*t"
No, since it is from you, it is Definitely bull****.

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boomshak:

@political_junki:


The bullsh*t Pew poll is skewing the whole average.

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Ann Arbor Lupin:

Bradley effect, I think, is a nice way of saying "Racism". The true definition of "Bradley effect" is just a part of racism, which is being afraid of being called racist.

Having said that "Racism" can be ugly as the form we well know, but the majority of people possess "racism", which is the fear of unknown, based on race, which is a NATURAL human nature. We become RACIST, when we act to disadvantage other race (by our action).

There is still a large of white voters who would be hesitant to vote for a Black candidate, who name doesn't resemble any of English names.

We (ie the US, as well as the world) have the best chance to have a Black president. It is a God given chance, ironically because of economic hardship.

In the similar setting, Hilary would have been leading McCain by 15+ points, because White men overcame "ugly sexism" before "ugly racism".

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

the bull**** that comes out of your mouth is skewing the credibility of this entire site.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@carl29

Actually I'm part of the bradley effect here in AZ. I'm a white male and you know I just don't know about that crazy muslim terrorist dude.

I finally made up my mind today when I got that robocall from John and the RNC telling me I was in danger.

Then I woke up and remembered that I mailed in my ballot 3+ weeks ago... My long nightmare was over.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

the infomercial so far talks about latino, black and whites no community is left out, good move!
No wonder why he's winning latino by +40

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political_junki:

boomshak:
@political_junki:
"The bullsh*t Pew poll is skewing the whole average.'

U nlike you, I am not delusional. I know PEW is bull****.
And unlike you I dont change my favorite pollster every day, I said Zogby is bull**** when Obama was +10 there.
Today you are loving Rass, a few days ago you were saying Rass is in tank for Obama. Your low is bottomless.

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carl29:

Yes guys, remember that the Bradley Effect will deliver the election for McCain :-)

I just wonder why McCain is robo-calling his own home state? Is Obama 6% ahead of McCain in AZ? Isn't there a Bradley Effect in AZ? Ah...AZ people don't tell lies :-)!!!!!

Why McCain cares about Florida, is Obama 6% ahead in FL? How about VA, OH, IN, NC, MO? This Maverick is so, so, smart...he is making us believe that he is fighting for those states but in reality he knows that Obama will lose because of the Bradley Effect. What a brilliant, Mavericky plan :-)

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Vercingetorix:

"He is a completely corrupt socialist."

Not according to McCain he isn't...

'KING: You don't believe Barack Obama is a socialist, do you?

MCCAIN: No. But, I do believe -- I do believe that he's been in the far left of American politics. He has stated time after time that he believes in "spreading the wealth around." He's talked about courts that would redistribute the wealth. '

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/29/larry.king.mccain.transcript/

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jeric:

I wouldn't put too much hope on the Bradley Effect:

http://election.princeton.edu/2008/09/27/the-disappearing-bradley-effect/

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Rollin08:

Booms right, actually I'm a plant from the Obama team or as we call ourselves "the Obamabots". Now that you have discovered us we are going to have to take over by force. We have already managed to skew the pollsters by planting people all over the country. Please remain calm during this transitional time.

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johncoz:

@boomshak:
"The bullsh*t Pew poll is skewing the whole average."

The reason we average polls is because there is a great deal of uncertainty about he voter model.

What is interesting though is that Obama's support is still within a very tight band of no more than 1.5%, and has been that way for weeks.

Add in the state poll trends, and his position looks very solid indeed, with a likely ED projection of 51-52, with McCain finishing around 46-47.

Nothing has really happened to alter that prognosis.

Tonight should pour on some more cement on those numbers.

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Observer:


political_junki: "Current RCP National Average for Obama = 49.9%"
"It didnt go down because of Rass or Gallup, it went down because the WSJ and Newsweek polls with high Obama leads rolled off."

Please think about that for a moment. Yes, Obama has dipped a little because current polls on average give him a little less support, i.e. Obama has dipped below 50% because the current average is a little less than the previous average. So the statement was correct, not a lie.

"Obama was +8 on weekend but Rass correct but was +4 one day before that. Isnt that cherry picking?"

Of course it is. This is politics. McCain and Obama spokespeople are paid to put the best face on things. I am cynical but I do recognise that they generally manage to do it without actually lying.

But overall McCain has gained on the average of National trackers for the past 4 days. It was 8% on Saturday and is today 4.8%. Still a comfortable lead for Obama but much more competitive.

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MNLatteLiberal:

boomshak:

@MNLatteLiberal:
"Maybe it is bullsh*t. Who knows?"

See, boom, this is why you are so beloved on this site. You post **** that you yourself know to be ****. You fling anything and hope it sticks. There are two other species that are known for that. The first one is baboons. Well, apes in general. The second one is McCampaign. Tell me, amigo, in light of that overwhelming evidence, that there is no evolution and the two are not related?

They use the same tools. And learning to use tools was supposed to move us beyond animals.

I do so enjoy talking to you, boomshak. Of late, the sheer desperation of your posts makes me realize how fragile you really are. If you want, after the election, I will buy you a virtual home and open up a boomshak museum - www.boomshak.com.

Will you come visit and post in the guestbook?

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carl29:

jeric,

Don't contradict the experts :-) McCain is just pretending that the election is down to the wire, but in reality he knows that he is ahead, don't you see it? Don't you see the Bradley Effect? :-)

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Ann Arbor Lupin:

And to all the Christians out there.

Aren't we supposed to "Share the Wealth Around"???

Australia does the "Sharing the wealth around" very well, but I don't think we call Australia, a socialist country.

I don't support Socialism, but I support "Sharing the wealth around" according to the Holy Bible.

I thought that was taught by our Saviour, Jesus Christ!

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political_junki:

@Observer:
I agree with all your points.

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kerrchdavis:

Awesome! Great Job Barack!

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MNLatteLiberal:

carl29, what an amazing crowd in Florida! Are you watching the 30 min special now?

This was an amazingly well done video. Not overdone, just right.


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kerrchdavis:

@MN

It was perfect :)

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green baby green:

CONFESSIONS OF A FEAR & LOATHING PERSON NAMED BOOMSOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR MCCAIN...

I was paid to work the internet. My job is to feed misinformation to people in hope that they will ignore the current problems we have in this country to get my man (party) elected at whatever the cost.

Trickle down economics doesn't work and never did the way we explained it. Rich people do get richer, but the trickle down is really a drip down. My candidate is really trying hard to say that more taxes are not the cure to what ails us, but he is really trying to protect the people that support us with $$$. The fact is, the government does not raise enough taxes to pay for itself, but let's not ask our friends to pay more, even if they can afford it. Besides, you know what they say about money - you can never get enough!

As for the war, Halliburton needs to keep making more on their war profiteering - you know, they are "foreighn based" and pay little or no income taxes on their government contracts with us. But we need to take care of our friends - we learned this lesson from Rove and W...

I could say alot more, but I will sum this up by talking about the polls. Only point to the polls where we look good - all others are "outliners" that are wrong. We talk about all of the reasons the ones we don't like are accurate, but lately, it's been tough to knock them all down. So we just wait for improvement - "we just went from 8 down to 5 down!" - see, we are moving on up!

Let's just hope most of the young people stay home and don't vote this year, let's stop talking about the economy and begin talking about Obama's charachter instead. Let's talk about our culture of fear we have created - the terrorists are among us! If we can succeed in this new message for the week, the election is ours...it would have been alot easier if we still controlled the SOS in Ohio like last time, but we can still find a way to cheat. It's the American way!

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MNLatteLiberal:

@kerrchdavis,
what are the odds that we'd agree? lol.
i wonder if boom saw it or had to tivo it for later. boom?

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

It looks like a Steven Spielberg production

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carl29:

The commercial was so good :-)

I loved it!!!!

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Pazienza:

BREAKING: Bill O'Reilly (on The O'Reilly Factor) tonight says the Rasmussen Poll tomorrow will show for the first time that voters favor McCain over Obama on the economy.

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kc_in_MN:

Great infomercial. I was worried it was going to be cheesey, but it was great.
Glad I contributed $$!

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jeric:

Carl29,

You're right! Once I just accept everything posted on the internet, the Bradley effect is staring me in the face. How could I have been so blind? Maybe that's why touchscreen voting machines keep switching from Obama to McCain - they're picking up on latent "Bradley Effect" that even the voter didn't know about. ;-)

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Ryan in MO:

Perfect.... and Obama will be 30 miles away from me on Saturday.

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MNLatteLiberal:

a bit off topic, but inquiring minds want to know: i've been rather busy all this week, and have not been on pollster as much as i'd like.
so, my question is, what, if any, was boomshak's reaction to the pink sky over arizona?

bueller?

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carl29:

Pazienza,

It already showed it today, in the morning. Go to Rasmussen's website:

McCain also has gained ground as the candidate to trust on economic issues. Forty-eight percent (48%) now trust the Republican hopeful more than the Democrat while 47% hold the opposite view. This is the first time McCain has led on the issue that has hurt his campaign since September 17. One month ago, Obama held a nine-point advantage when it came to economic issues.

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OneAngryDwarf:

I don't know if he's even looking at the map anymore. All I see him do anymore is cut & paste from the far right.

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faithhopelove:

UPCOMING ON THE TRAIL
(updated)


6 Days Ago:

Obama ~ IN
Joe Biden ~ NC

McCain ~ FL
Palin ~ PA


5 Days Ago:

Obama ~ HI
Joe Biden ~ WV, VA
Michelle Obama ~ OH
Jill Biden ~ FL
Hillary ~ PA, CO
Bill Clinton ~ KY

McCain ~ CO
Palin ~ PA, MO


4 Days Ago:

Obama ~ NV, NM
Joe Biden ~ VA
Jill Biden ~ FL
Hillary ~ TX, NM, UT

McCain ~ NM
Palin ~ IA, IN


3 Days Ago:

Obama ~ CO

McCain ~ IA, OH
Palin ~ FL, NC


2 Days Ago:

Obama ~ OH, PA
Joe Biden ~ NC, FL
Michelle Obama ~ NV

McCain ~ OH, PA
Palin ~ VA


Yesterday:

Obama ~ PA, VA
Joe Biden ~ FL
Michelle Obama ~ NM, CO
Hillary ~ NH

McCain ~ PA, NC
Palin ~ PA


Today (October 29th):

Obama ~ NC, FL
Joe Biden ~ FL
Michelle Obama ~ NC
Bill Clinton ~ PA, FL

McCain ~ FL
Palin ~ OH, IN


Tomorrow:

Obama ~ FL, VA, MO
Joe Biden ~ MO, PA
Bill Clinton ~ OH, MN

McCain ~ OH
Palin ~ MO, OH, PA


Friday:

Obama ~ MO, IA, IN
Joe Biden ~ DE, PA, OH
Gore ~ FL
Hillary ~ OH

McCain ~ OH
Palin ~ PA


Saturday:

Obama ~ MO, CO, NV
Joe Biden ~ OH, IN
Hillary ~ FL
Bill Clinton ~ WV

McCain ~ VA
Palin ~ NC, VA


Sunday:

Joe Biden ~ OH? PA?
Bill Clinton ~ NH

McCain ~ ME? NH? PA?


Monday:

McCain ~ AZ?


Speculation on locations of Obama's final weekend (Sunday-Monday) rallies:

Philadelphia
Cleveland
Columbus
Cincinnati
Charleston
Miami
Tampa-St. Petersburg
Arlington
Charlotte
Atlanta
Phoenix/Tempe
Tucson


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wakeup:

Obama info-mercial...
I thought Obama had an ace up his sleeve... pleasantly surprised that he did NOT.

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political_junki:

Shays takes swipe at McCain
Posted: 07:39 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Shays is the lone House Republican in New England.

(CNN) – New England's lone House Republican appears to have publicly broken with his party's standard-bearer, saying John McCain has not run a clean campaign and is likely to lose his bid for the presidency.

"I just don't see how [McCain] can win," Connecticut Rep. Chris Shays told the Yale Daily News earlier this week. "He has lost his brand as a maverick; he did not live up to his pledge to fight a clean campaign." Shays, who in 2006 became the only Republican congressman from New England, perennially finds himself in a heated re-election race.

The comments are the latest in a string of Republicans who have publicly criticized the Arizona senator's handling of the presidential race and predicted his defeat next week is all but certain. (Other Republicans joining the chorus include Former Maryland Sen. Charles Mathias, former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell.)

Fellow Arizona Sen. Jon Kyl and former GOP presidential Candidate Mitt Romney also have reportedly said they think McCain is likely to lose. Jon Kyl denied making the comments, though the Arizona Daily Star later produced audio indicating he did.

In his Yaale Daily News interview, Shays did not endorse Barack Obama, and said he remained skeptical the Illinois senator will govern from the center if he is elected president.

“It’s what all presidents should do, but [Obama] has never been there,” he said of Obama's ideological orientation.

Shays is a co-chairman of McCain's campaign efforts in Connecticut.

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kerrchdavis:

@wakeup

fortunately, you don't need any aces when you're winning in an epic landslide.

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carl29:

More proof of the Bradley Effect dooming Obama and winning the election for McMaverick?

Look at this:

New poll shows McCain, Obama tied in Indiana
Each captures 47 percent

INDIANAPOLIS -- A new poll shows Republican presidential nominee John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama tied in Indiana about a week to go before Election Day.

The WISH-TV Indiana Poll showed each candidate capturing 47 percent of respondents who were polled over five days ending Tuesday. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points.

A similar poll taken days earlier by the same survey firm gave Obama a 48 percent-47 percent edge with a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

The poll conducted by Maryland-based Research 2000 was a telephone survey of 800 likely voters conducted Oct. 24-28.

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OneAngryDwarf:

On the topic of AZ though John is desperate. He robocalled my house a couple of hours ago and I'm a registered Dem that voted weeks ago. He's in trouble here, which doesn't bode well for the rest of the Republicans chances nationwide.

Mondale won his home state right?

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MNLatteLiberal:

1Angry, granted, but at times he reads the responses and posts to them. The discussion of your state turning blue one pixel at a time HAD to catch his attention. All those bull**** polls showing it within the MOE... I wonder if anyone asked boom to comment or perhaps he even volunteered some folksy boomshak wisdom on the matter.

boom?

I will mail you a set of red crayons so that you can recolor the national map on the 5th. Actually, you can probably start now - why wait?

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political_junki:

"wakeup:
Obama info-mercial...
I thought Obama had an ace up his sleeve... pleasantly surprised that he did NOT.'

Obama was never looking for an ACE. He has run a steady campaign without need for Drama, or "ACES" (LooooolL) like campaign suspension or electin

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political_junki:

"wakeup:
Obama info-mercial...
I thought Obama had an ace up his sleeve... pleasantly surprised that he did NOT.'

Obama was never looking for an ACE. He has run a steady campaign without need for Drama, or "ACES" (LooooolL) like campaign suspension or electin of a BIMBO as VP

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SoloBJ:

Investors Business Daily just called me again. I picked up and once again, they hung up. It's getting quite annoying having them call twice per day (especially late in the evening) only to keep saying "hello" and then get disconnected.

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Indiana4Obama:

The prime time special was pitch perfect. We'll see how many undecideds are affected.

If O'Reilly is right and Ras shows Mccain leading on the economy then that poll suddenly becomes a joke. Even better will be if it still shows Obama leading the overall racing but trailing on the economy.

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asquared:

Pazienza,

ABC poll has it O +10 on the economy

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sandman:

Seems counter to the conventional wisdom.

TALLAHASSEE -- Gov. Charlie Crist is taking heat from fellow Republicans for a last-minute decision to extend early voting in Florida, but any Democratic advantage might not be as overwhelming as conventional wisdom suggests.
Advertisement

Democrats are beaming that their party is outperforming the Republicans in early voting, releasing numbers Wednesday that show registrants of their party ahead 54 percent to 30 percent among the 1.4 million voters who have gone to the polls early.

"We're thrilled at the record turnout so far," said Democratic Party of Florida spokesman Eric Jotkoff. "It's a clear indication that Democrats want to elect Barack Obama and Democrats up and down the ballot so that we can start creating good jobs, rebuilding our economy and getting our nation back on track."

But party breakdowns for turnout aren't the same as final tallies, and at least one poll offered a different view for the campaign of Republican John McCain.

A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll gave McCain a 49-45 lead over Democrat Barack Obama among Floridians who have already voted.

And Republicans continued to show a traditional strength, leading 50 percent to the Democrats' 30 percent in the 1.2 million absentee ballots already returned.

Conducted Oct. 25-27, the Los Angeles Times poll gave Obama a 50-47 lead overall in Florida. Only a tiny fraction of the Florida respondents reported voting early, leaving McCain's lead subject to a wide margin of error. A Quinnipiac University poll, released Wednesday, showed early voters favoring Obama 58-34, another small sample with a potentially wide margin of error.

Meanwhile, some Republicans grumbled that Crist's dramatic change of heart to expand early voting hours, at the urging of Democratic members of the Florida congressional delegation and House Democratic Leader Dan Gelber of Miami Beach.

Republican operatives said McCain can make up for the apparent Obama surge in early voting through the robust absentee ballot program.

Polls seesaw, but representatives of both campaigns still expect a tight race.

Republican Party of Florida spokeswoman Erin VanSickle declined to comment about early returns.

"Clearly, Gov. Crist continues to put people ahead of politics in Florida, and we commend him for his leadership," she said. "This type of bold action is why Gov. Crist maintains such high approval ratings among Floridians of all backgrounds."

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carl29:

sandman,

This is the Republicans greatest fear, Americans voting in huge numbers. Why do Republicans hate Democracy, especially if those joining Democracy are poor, minority people?

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MNLatteLiberal:

OneAngryDwarf:

"Mondale won his home state right?"

Ouch. Boomshak, c'mon, you are not gonna take that lying down, are ya?

Boom, damn it, this is what it's going to be like on the evening of the 4th here, isn't it? You are going to be somewhere dumpster diving, looking for evidence of left wing conspiracy in the leftover pizza sauce, while the rest of us patiently wait for you to finish your delivery rounds.

Boom, if it helps any, back then I was still in Massachusetts earning my degrees. So I cannot argue for Fritz or against him. I was still in the land of Dukakis back then.

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KMartDad08:

There must be no trackers favorable to McCain tomorrow because Drudge still hasn't linked to anybody. He's still got today's Gallup +3 up there.

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cjc:

Why do Republicans hate Democracy?

Well, it appears they hate equality as well:
Dennis Prager says, “Equality, which is the primary value of the left, is a European value, not an American value.”

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southern angler:

Another bad day for Obama's numbers. I'm sure tomorrow will be another great day for McCain. We are getting closer to victory everyday.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

@carl29:
@Pazienza,

It already showed it today, in the morning. Go to Rasmussen's website:

McCain also has gained ground as the candidate to trust on economic issues. Forty-eight percent (48%) now trust the Republican hopeful more than the Democrat while 47%"
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That's another utter proof that the nationwide poll of Ras contradicts its state-by-state polls that really matter in the election. Between polling 52 states with a daily sample of 1,000 people(means an average of 18 people or so by state) and polling 700 people in a single state I will take the latter because it mathematically makes more sense
By the way I am wondering if those people live in swing states such as MI,VA,CO etc where Obama is far ahead. If so, maybe McCain should go back campaigning in MI oh sorry only 5 days are left, he could tell them Ras said that I might a shot there cause I am making progress on who is better suited to handle the economy

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OneAngryDwarf:

@MN

Yeah you can't even really bait the boom into responding off topic to something poll related. I'm sure that the inside of his trailor must be in tatters at this point and his job at the pizza place in jeopardy.

I do hope that boom can find his center but I fear he has fallend off the right edge of the map and is exclusively channeling either Dick Morris or Sean Manatee.

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carl29:

cjc,

yuki!!! I had the impression that at least at the voting booth all of us were equal, at least at state level. My vote is as important as any other Floridian.

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carl29:

@southern angler

Yes, victory is around the corner!!! Where have I heard that before? Um...

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MNLatteLiberal:

southern angler:
"We are getting closer to victory everyday."

Yes, yes we are, mr. angler. Hope you are here on the eve of the 4th to enjoy President Elect Obama with us. Let's all practice saying it together, juntos y en espa~ol, por favor:

President-Elect Barack Obama.
There! Now that wasn't so hard, was it?

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carl29:

@MNLatteLiberal,

Obama was smart enough to air the commercial in Univision, the biggest, most powerful Spanish TV Network in the US.

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Ryan in MO:

Obama will campaign in Springfield on Saturday

Party sources confirm the Democratic presidential nominee will hold a rally at 9:00 pm Saturday night at Plaster Stadium, on the campus of Missouri State University. No word yet if people will need tickets to attend.

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Schoeby3131:

Bad day for Obama?

Lost in rasmussen (-2), IBD (-1), R2000 (-1)
Gained in ABC (+1), Gallup (+1), Zogby (+1)
Same in Battleground

State polling from CNN, Quinnipiac and AP all have Obama ahead in state polls.

Not a bad at all, my friends.

6 more days...

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MNLatteLiberal:

claro, carl29, yo lo se :)

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southern angler:

You guys can spin it anyway you want, but the facts are clear. Obama's national numbers have been crashing all week with state polls soon to follow. All of you sound desparate and very worried. This is understandable. I would advise you to carefully choose your words because you will most likely be eating them next week.

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southern angler:

Just keep clinging to your polls and negro.

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GregRD:

Alright after my fellow mates from Europe (the Dutch and the British observer) have already made their comments: I could not agree more with them besides that I add to the Dutch´s comment that McCain has really lowered his standard to such a great extent from being a decent guy! Thus you have a great opportunity to finally show him and the other Republicans now(especially the Bush "strategists") that you don`t listen to those kind of lies anymore and just vote for the right person & party! I am sure though I do not need to persuade anyone here anymore - besides Boom perhaps, even though that`s quite impossible anyway - of this idea. Also, no reason to worry so much about the polls all what counts are votes now! So GOTV and get others to do so, too (I`d like to do so but I can´t unfortunately ;-)!

PS: Sorry if that sounds all a bit cheesy I blame on me being drunk (it is 1am here)!

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

@southern angler

So the idea is to condemn them for calling it early while you declare victory?

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Schoeby3131:

Southern,

You should read the about the myth of the state poll lag on fivethirtyeight.com. It will definitely be educational for you.

God Bless.

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kerrchdavis:

6 more days guys! you all excited??

President Obama. mhmm!

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MNLatteLiberal:

angler, does that mean you are coming here on the evening of the 4th? cause it's going to be over as soon as the east coast polls close.

gimme your email so that i can send you a personal reminder to be here. cause i know how right wingnuts always seem to have a kkk rally scheduled at the worst possible time! let's email the grand wizard now and ask him to reschedule, k?

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carl29:

@southern angler,

wow!!! weren't you happy? Don't worry we understand your "issue."

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Schoeby3131:

Polls and negro? Racist much?

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straight talk:

@ Southern Angler

What do you Mean by NEGRO?

Obama is up +15 in the latest Pew Research!

Obama Surge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Viperlord:

SA: Take your delusions and racism, and crawl back into the hole you and the rest of the KKK came out of.

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kerrchdavis:

sometimes he lets klan rhetoric slip. lol! southern, can you show us how racist you can be? Think of the most hateful thing you can say..go on!

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Viperlord:

First he claims the polls are showing a Obama collapse when they show no such thing, and then he tells us to cling to those same polls. Contradictory talking point is contradictory.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

@southern angler:

". Obama's national numbers have been crashing all week with state polls soon to follow"

You're dead WRONG, you have your head deep in the sand. IBD/TIPP, Zogby, BTW, AP have been showing a close race for quite a while,yet the state-by-state polls never follow
Get your facts straight and get a look at the RCP map and the pollster one and let me know how the "race tightening" theory makes sense

By the way can you promise you'll be on this blog on Nov 4th around midnight?

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NW Patrick:

southern angler since you missed today's polls. Here is the McCain surge:

Michigan Rasmussen Obama 53, McCain 43 Obama +10
Minnesota Rasmussen Obama 55, McCain 43 Obama +12
New Mexico Rasmussen Obama 54, McCain 44 Obama +10
Alaska Rasmussen McCain 57, Obama 41 McCain +16
National Rasmussen Reports Obama 50, McCain 47 Obama +3
National Gallup (Traditional)* Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
National Gallup (Expanded)* Obama 51, McCain 44 Obama +7
National Diageo/Hotline Obama 49, McCain 42 Obama +7
National Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Obama 49, McCain 44 Obama +5
Pennsylvania Marist Obama 55, McCain 41 Obama +14
New Hampshire WMUR/UNH Obama 58, McCain 34 Obama +24
National ABC News/Wash Post Obama 52, McCain 44 Obama +8
Washington Strategic Vision (R) Obama 54, McCain 42 Obama +12
National IBD/TIPP Obama 47, McCain 44 Obama +3
Ohio Marist Obama 48, McCain 45 Obama +3
Florida CNN/Time Obama 51, McCain 47 Obama +4
Virginia CNN/Time Obama 53, McCain 44 Obama +9
Colorado CNN/Time Obama 53, McCain 45 Obama +8
Missouri CNN/Time Obama 48, McCain 50 McCain +2
Georgia CNN/Time McCain 52, Obama 47 McCain +5
National GWU/Battleground Obama 49, McCain 46 Obama +3
Ohio Associated Press/GfK Obama 48, McCain 41 Obama +7
Ohio Quinnipiac Obama 51, McCain 42 Obama +9
Florida Associated Press/GfK Obama 45, McCain 43 Obama +2
Florida Quinnipiac Obama 47, McCain 45 Obama +2
Pennsylvania Quinnipiac Obama 53, McCain 41 Obama +12
Pennsylvania Associated Press/GfK Obama 52, McCain 40 Obama +12
North Carolina Associated Press/GfK Obama 48, McCain 46 Obama +2
Virginia Associated Press/GfK Obama 49, McCain 42 Obama +7
Colorado Associated Press/GfK Obama 50, McCain 41 Obama +9
New Hampshire Associated Press/GfK Obama 55, McCain 37 Obama +18
Nevada Associated Press/GfK Obama 52, McCain 40 Obama +12
Pennsylvania Franklin & Marshall Obama 53, McCain 40 Obama +13

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Obama008:

WoW Southern.......


You are saying we are panicing, as you use a word in such a negitive nature. I think you are the one panicing.

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Viperlord:
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kerrchdavis:

@southern

what kind of bleach do you use to keep your robes that bright, shiny white?

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Pat:

@kerrchdavis:

I am so excited and nervous at the same time that I cannot get anything done these days. My personal life is falling apart. I am glad this campaign is ending soon otherwise my personal health would be in danger.
I am dropping everything and will hit the GOTV effort for Obama for the remaining 6 days, non-stop.

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Obama008:

@Kerrchdavis

+1

That was funny laughed.

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southern angler:

My facts are straight and you all know what I mean by negro.

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carl29:

Pat,

You sound like me :-(

My husband is going to dump any day, actually he loves me and is a big Obama supporter as well.

*I'm glad we are at the end of the rope :-)

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GregRD:

Why do you even answer to these kind of statements?! This guy´s intention is only to provoke so reasonable answers do not help anyway...He is so deeply into Fox News bias there is no way for him getting out of it anymore!

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Dewey1858:

southern angler:
You guys can spin it anyway you want, but the facts are clear. Obama's national numbers have been crashing all week with state polls soon to follow. All of you sound desparate and very worried. This is understandable. I would advise you to carefully choose your words because you will most likely be eating them next week.

What I hear you saying is: This will be the Mother of All Elections.

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Obama008:

@Southern

That you are a inbeard racist, and you think the south will rise again?

Thats what I'm thinking right now, about what you said. You have no right to say that word in the tone you are using it in.

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NW Patrick:

southern angler nothing makes me happier as a white man is an African American, you know, Negro in the white house. ESPECIALLY considering Obama worked hard to get where he is and he's brilliant. He will even work hard for the white trash of America. Your family will be served well so NO WORRIES my friend! Meet me here Tuesday. COWARD.

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carl29:

@southern angler,

Don't worry SOUTHERN we know your "issue."

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kerrchdavis:

@southern

you wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you in the face. Seriously though..clorox?

@Pat

Keep up the great work! We're almost there! :D

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

just report the guy for offensive comments and he will have to worry about race somewhere else.

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Viperlord:

Your facts are about as straight as your penis I'd say.

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southern angler:

DENIAL

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marctx:

The time is running out for McCain and the credibility of some of these pollsters. If Obama holds on and wins by a comfortable 3-5 points, how are these pollsters giving Obama a 16 point lead going to remain credible? Come on, if you give Obama a 8-16 point lead, your gonna look foolish when its over. Does anybody believe Obama's gonna win by 16 points nationally?

"MNLatteLiberal:

angler, does that mean you are coming here on the evening of the 4th? cause it's going to be over as soon as the east coast polls close."

I agree if Obama wins any two or more of the PA, OH, NC, VA, FL, we can all go to bed and go to work on the 5th.

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NW Patrick:

Dewey1858 I'm really nervous. Up only 6% on polling average with 3 business days to go. We've been hearing about this "Slide" oh for about a month now. In the meantime, your guy may escape FL or even NC and OH...But ya see trash, you have a fundamental problem. It's called VIRGINIA, OR MISSOURI, OR COLORADO, OR NEVADA. Grandpa's in deep doo doo!

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Obama008:

Now back that the facts of the matter, I had a tear go, Im not going to lie.

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Viperlord:

Southern: Yes, you do seem to be suffering from denial issues. May I recommend a good psychologist?

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masselo:

Boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy -- i can wait to see Shawn Hannity's face on November the 4th when BARACK OBAmA wins the election... That Racist Bastard _ I hate his gutts -- i am telling you

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Obama008:

That Ad was moving.

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deeznutsrepubs:

Wow guys, Obama just knocked mccain the f*ck out!!

That infomercial just put the final nail in the coffin.....RIP mccrap/paliar 08! NEXT!

Wow....just wow...if the national trackers don't move hard in the next 3 days, I will be surprised. That had to be the best ad ever. I hope they cut it up into segments and air them as commercials now. Just astounding.


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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

Ignoring this guy is the best way to respond efficiently to his assault

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masselo:

** cant

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NW Patrick:

Denial? ROFL The guy with NO FACTS is calling us "in denial." NOT A STATE POLL to back up his come back claim. Hell even the few national polls are suspect. If Obama is up 3 in the WORST poll on election day, that's an Obama win. 3% national lead is an electoral win. No president has EVER lost the college after winning 3% of the national vote.

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OneAngryDwarf:

Just finished watching that O video. That was nice.

So when is John going to do his video?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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Obama008:

I let a little tear go, during that ad.

I have never seen anything like that, He reminds me of JFK.

He will be a modern day FDR.

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carl29:

@masselo,

I'm with you. I NEVER watch Fox News, but on Tuesday night I'll make an exception just to see Hannity's face :-) Sweet!!!

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NW Patrick:

President Obama's presentation tonight was AMAZING. And what is Grandpa going to do? Make fun of the every day Americans portrayed in the video? BRILLIANT!

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OneAngryDwarf:

Oh how sweet it will be to see the face of the Manitee when he has to call the election for Obama.

I wonder if he'll cry...

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carl29:

OneAngryDwarf,

"So when is John going to do his video?"

How cruel :-)

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NW Patrick:

Grandpa's broke because his supporters don't give to his campaign, they just talk.

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NW Patrick:

I'll def be recording Fox News on Tuesday for a lovely playback the next evening:)

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kerrchdavis:

someone post hannity's email so we all know how to offer him our condolences on the 4th.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@carl29

Hey if that bastard has enough money to robocall my ass today he should have saved his pennies and gone after some TV time.


Obama goes on TV and offers me hope. McCain has an automated voice call me on the phone and offer me terror.

I'll take hope, thank you very much.

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boomspin:

You libs are in denial! America will never vote for a far left liberal, and a nigger to boot! Your deluding yourselves if you think that commie scumbag can win.

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NW Patrick:

Let's just take a step back and think, JOHN MCCAIN ROBO CALLS in WHAT STATE? Yes, ARIZONA. If that doesn't give you the state of this race then WHAT WILL.

Also, if their INTERNALS are so strong WHY ARE THEY IN PA? You'd be busting ass in VA, FL, and so on. Also these STRONG internals have told them to invest money which is not at a premium right now in ****ING A R I Z O N A.

Cmon'!
LOL

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DTM:

As others noted, Obama didn't need an "ace" (that is McCain's game). Obama obviously just wants people to know that he understands their problems, and with their help plans to do some sensible things to address those problems. Which is not flashy, but it happens to be the grounds on which Americans tend to pick their Presidents.

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carl29:

More proof of how good McMaverick is doing?

New poll shows McCain, Obama tied in Indiana

Obama 47 McCain 47

INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - A new poll shows Republican presidential nominee John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama tied in Indiana about a week to go before Election Day.

The WISH-TV Indiana Poll showed each candidate capturing 47% of respondents who were polled over five days ending Tuesday

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NW Patrick:

DAMMIT! Why do the trolls disappear when we talk FACTS, poll #'s, etc? They ALWAYS do this!

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

Does somebody know the difference between the Keith Oliberman's show and the Sean hannity's one ?

One uses sarcasm while the other one uses a profound hate, that's why I can't stand this guy and can't wait to see his freaking face on Nov 4th if Obama wins

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boomspin:

I'm still here you liberal socialists! Mark my words, McCain will win!

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Dewey1858:

"NW Patrick:
Dewey1858 I'm really nervous. Up only 6% on polling average with 3 business days to go. We've been hearing about this "Slide" oh for about a month now. In the meantime, your guy may escape FL or even NC and OH...But ya see trash, you have a fundamental problem. It's called VIRGINIA, OR MISSOURI, OR COLORADO, OR NEVADA. Grandpa's in deep doo doo!"

Yo! Yo! Back up off me! I'm more for Obama than Michelle. My last post was by way of taking a shot at southern angler's blustering. Dewey 1858 is a reference to John Dewey - who I truly believe is looking down on this election (and at a fellow Chicago citizen) with great benevolence.


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OneAngryDwarf:

@NW Patrick

Yeah I about almost "birthed a brown egg" when I picked up the phone today on that robocall from John "the lesser."

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NW Patrick:

carl29 for the 1st time in US HISTORY all of the pollsters are wrong! There is no way he is tied in IN. This is a clear attempt by the ... Ok anyways:)

Robocalls in AZ. TIED IN INDI****INGANA? LANDSLIDE ALERT.

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carl29:

@boomspin,

I read somewhere that hate groups are actively recruiting people, want contact information? Group therapy is good :-)

Obama/Biden '08

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NW Patrick:

Dewey1858 LOL sorry! I took you serious bro!

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Pat:

I think Fox will get huge ratings after the election is called for Obama. Everyone will switch to Fox to just watch Hannity. It will be priceless. I wonder if at that point he still will call the President of the United States a terrorist.

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NW Patrick:

I'm not watching Fox on Tuesday. Just recording it. I'll be joining my liberal pals at MSNBC. I'll watch the opposing side respond the next day:)

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boomspin:

Thanks for the offer, but I'm already a member of several pro-America groups! If that Marxist wins, mark my words, he'll suffer the same fate as that far left liberal Kennedy!

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OneAngryDwarf:

Palin is off the reservation again.

Palin/McCain 2012

I think John is going to have to soldier on alone from here. Sarah has her career to think about.

Can you hear the splashing of the tiny little rat bodies as they hit the water?

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carl29:

Pat,

That's exactly what I was thinking, Fox will get huge ratings with people wanting to dance in front of the TV, while Hannity is inmersed in misery :-)

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smk6086:

Alright I have to finally post. I have been on the sidelines for awhile now and i got to throw this out there.

I have a few questions about the "tightening" and see if there are some numbers that can help dispell the myths. I look for answer from the intelligent, open-minded, fact based, all race tolerant, educated people. The ones who do not fall in that category (boom, southern moron from the 1800's need no reply - well you can, I will just ignore it)

regarding the tightening, here are ny questions:

1. I know the ras poll is showing mccain ahead on he economy issue. Is there a rcp type average that shows how he is doing on the issues? I would like to know if there is a trend.

2. what is attributing this tightening? Is it the socalist bs or is it really just a natural trend that happens?

3. Now I am going to preface this next question with a comment. I know there are a bunch of mccain supporters who would vote for him if he said this. They would vote for him if he was convicted of murder. These people just do what they are told without any personal research. For those who are educated in this topic, the question is, could the "spread the wealth" comment actually cost Obama the election? Has there been any polling on this?

I know the states look good, but did Obama peak too soon. Could this country really be that stupid three times in a row? Talk me down please.

Thanks
SC

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Viperlord:

It's obvious boomspin is parody, probably by someone here. (I'm looking at you kerrch, lol). Anyway, a example of how people like boskop think: "

as we close out the election and i move on as all of you will too, i have some closing remarks as well. in fact, i am quite certain that carl will copy this in his file for boskop:

it has never been my interest to work the world over on a daily basis but rather with a long term view. so many of you who come to play here have a 24 hour purview.

my concern with obama since i turned away from him as an early supporter has been and remains as follows:obama is a bully. if you could read his comments in hindsight you would understand to what extent he has played this card and is fully indoctrinated in this method.

when you have a habit so deeply ingrained and so practiced over your entire political life, then it is virtually impossible to cut this reflex loose.

the problem is you cannot play this way on the world stage. mccain will not be his sole opponent anymore. world leaders are not wary of watching their temper and slurs about 'erratic' age related slurs with the media as your personal handmaiden.

sarkozy, khameini, putin will not take too well to this Alinsky methodology.

once before we had a president who thought he was a citizen above restraints and checks and balances. he over played his hand on the world stage and was taken down in dallas. he deserved it.

i also know, notice i didnt use BELIEVE, that obama will immediately mount two full new wars while maintaining status quo in iraq. he will do this for character flaw reasons his character flaws; sheer arrogance and harping without cessation on bush's misguided reasons for the first war. he is obsessed with thumbing his nose at this man despite the obvious fact that we dont want war, period.

obama will also do it because he needs the money. there is virtually no other way for him to stimulate the economy. he needs to get the steel mills working again or he reneges on every single campaign promise.

finally: and i speak from my own experience... the yuppie rush to his support is not baffling but rather deeply insulting. it is insulting that so many whites really still do believe that we are bestial and dumb. that is why they are so enthusiastic over this man and willing to cast a ballot without shining a bright light of scrutiny over him.

are they that shocked we can read? are they that shocked most of us work hard and have held our heads high in the face of endless put downs and lousy breaks?

but most of us have played it fair and honestly. you on the other hand are so incredulous that we have brains that you will run like lemmings and jump cliffs because one man who has not suffered like the rest of us, has cheated in every conceivable way, has bullied, and had his hand out all his life has a degree from two ivy's, so you run to him, you cut him slack you wouldn't cut a non - black. disgusting to put it nicely. revolting to be more honest. you are taking a risky chance on our lives.

why? why cut him slack? because he is a black man with a big vocabulary when you thought we didnt have one? this is insulting and goes beyond the pale.

it assuages your guilt with an antiseptic vote. but what you have done is made him the affirmative action president. no, make that the OJ Simpson president. you turn your head away from him and give him a pass despite glaring character faults and rotten affiliations and completely sleazy behavior for all the mis-deeds perpetrated on us before. you acquit him too.

but that is not a reason to vote for a president. he has shifted his policy to wriggle into every vote he can suck up. he mocks, he cackles, he plays dirty on one hand and then comes swooping down like a white knight to say what his troops did was wrong. but remember, he is the great executive running a tight effective campaign. every nasty order came from him. he is duplicitous.

duplicity that runs deep sinks your ability to operate effectively on the world stage. it will take one month for the UK and France and Germany and Pakistan to figure this out.

Yes, it is time for a black president. Long over due god knows. but this man is not the deserving recipient of your faith. there are others. there will be others. we are a very talented brilliant capable and dignified people.

and now you know, though i expect you will go ballistic. people who dont think usually do. you are responsible in your vote for the safety andhealth of our country. the handwriting was onthe wall with obama but you let the media muzzle the normal vetting process because you didnt want to hear. you just wanted a black man who looked the most and talked the most like you.

i hope he loses but it doesnt look that way. this man cannot deliver his promises. he is a powder keg of emotional confusion and a history of so much muscling down people and word games that he will not do well on the world stage.

he is obsessed with is father. he took time off to write two books. he searches he aches he craves validation from older men. this is not something that disappears. it gnaws and enters into every move you make when it is this driving a need.

finally, good luck."

Let's get rid of these psychos for good.

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masselo:

Hey guys,

IS it true that OBAMA will be campaigning in Arizona? I just want to know

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carl29:

@boomspin,


I am a part of a pro-Democracy group, I am an American voter... can't get more American than that :-)

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straight talk:

@ McCain Supporters

Please stop inciting hate and racism! Just because your candidate is weak and vp is is an opportunist, don't take it out on us!

You are runnin out of ideas, running out of arguments, and runnin out of time!

D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E!!!

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

Apparently the McCain's internal polls are the only ones showing they are winning, I can't remember a single nationwide poll showing a lead for McPalinocchio in more than one month

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carl29:

McPalinocchioIsAJoke,

Those internals are done by the same pollster in charge of the "Meet-me-in-Florida" Guliani back in the primaries :-)

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NW Patrick:

The internals are SO GOOD they are campaigning in PA, Indiana, NC, and robo calling Arizona:) BRILLIANT!

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

@masselo
Yep I confirm
Rally with Barack Obama in Phoenix, AZ on a date yet-to-be-determined

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marctx:

I can't wait to see Hannity's reaction also.

I can't believe some of you are exchanging with an obvious Obama supporter parody of the paid McCain supporter boomshak.

Anyway, if the 2nd highest paid political commentator would join with the 1# rated commentator, Rush 400m & Hannity 100m+...they should donate some cash to poor McCain.

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carl29:

McPalinocchioIsAJoke,

That's cruel!!!! Poor grampy McMaverick :-)

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NW Patrick:

marctx are you feeling ok? You are being reasonable tonight. Did you decide to vote for President Obama?:)

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political_junki:

Can there be an "out-of-control orgy"?:

I am flying to Chicago on Monday. Would love it if I could get a ticket. My email is alaki583-1@yahoo.com, email me :-)

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Dewey1858:

Phillies win! (clinch election for Obama)

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Viperlord:

To keep us going in the absence of trolls, here's a interesting political quiz.

http://www.moral-politics.com/xpolitics.aspx?menu=Home&action=Test&choice=Long

My results:


System: Liberalism

Ideology: Capital Democratism
Party: Democratic Party
Presidents: John F Kennedy
04' Election: John Kerry
08' Election: Barack Obama


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kerrchdavis:

@viperlord

rofl! why does everyone always think its me????

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NW Patrick:

OMG I JUST HAD TO REWIND MY TIVO.

The freak PAT BUCHANAN on MSNBC said "I think Obama will get a 2-3 point bump from the 30 min special."

WOW! LOL I disagree with him. I think it will be 1-2:)

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Boris_Dieter:

@Viperlord

That was one of the most neurotic things I've ever read. It was riveting though, in an insane and sick sort of way.

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Viperlord:

The same way sick and inhuman horror movies are.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

Oh man I wish I could push the time and be on Nov 4th right now, the closer it's getting the more nervous I am am
I can't stand any more insanities coming from boom, Kiptin, SA and so on
I am overwhelmed, please God help me, or should I say Allah oups that makes me a terrorist cause for lots people in this country being a Muslim and being terrorist are derogatorily synonym
Sounds familiar?

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Viperlord:

kerrch: No idea, maybe it's because your never on at the exact same time as the parodies?

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NW Patrick:

My polling results: (NADER?) LOL

# Party: Democratic Party
# Presidents: John F Kennedy
# 04' Election: Ralph Nader
# 08' Election: Barrack Obama

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NextAmericanChapter:

DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE....

In the last few days I've been guilty, like many others on this site, of calling for an Obama landslide. I volunteer for the Obama campaign and unfortunately I think that we may be at risk of being victims of our own success.

Rather than sitting back and savoring a victory that is not yet set in stone, please put your energy towards reaching out to potential Obama voters. Make sure that you can get five people to vote Obama, and make sure those five can get a further five…and so on. There are still some genuine undecideds out there and you could help tilt them Obama’s way by advocating for the Obama/Biden policy proposals. The Dems have better ideas on the economy, taxes, healthcare and energy. When in doubt, remind undecideds that Palin is a joke….that always seems to sober them up.

While it’s fun to joust with doucebags like Boomshak and SouthernAngler, you’ll never change their deranged minds. However, some re-directed energy could help get some marginal voters for Obama. You don’t need to volunteer officially; you could do your own canvassing with family, friends and co-workers. Obama is fighting hard, and he is fighting against some really entrenched negative attitudes out there. He, and our favorite senator from Delaware , will need ALL the help that they can get during these last few days.

I hate to pour cold water on the upbeat mood that predominates this site, but folks, this battle is far from won. John Kerry was ahead in the electoral college projection on November 1, 2004. The fat lady definitely has not yet sung!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/29/164349/89/799/646031

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MNLatteLiberal:

Viperlord:

"It's obvious boomspin is parody, probably by someone here. (I'm looking at you kerrch, lol)."

I want to go on the record "defending" kerrchdavis. Kerrch once (just once) made a tongue-in-cheek confession that he was the original boomshak. I bet it is that kind of a sense of humor that has earned him the perpetual group suspicion of being every troll. LMAO.

imho, if kerrchdavis were any troll on here, it would be the original alankeyesisawesome because it is a)funny and b)creative. The subsequent trolls lack substance and character.

So, kerrch, fwiw, I believe you. But the whole thing is too damn funny, imho.

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carl29:

McPalinocchioIsAJoke,

I am SOOOOO looking foward for this thing to end. I am going completely nuts; It is like a torture. At this point all I'm wishing for is this thing to be over, in Jesus' name :-)

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cinnamonape:

Lemme see how this is working at least through Friday. It seems that McCain and Palin are leaving a lot of backdoor open.

Obama ~ FL, VA, MO,MO, IA, IN, CO, NV
Joe Biden ~ MO, PA, PA, DE, IN
Bill Clinton ~ OH, MN, WV
Hillary ~ FL
Gore ~ FL

McCain ~ OH, OH, VA
Palin ~ MO, OH, PA, PA, NC, VA

So McCain/Palin are no longer in Florida...but Obama+surrogates are there three times.

Obama and McCain are both in Virginia...a State that Obama is well ahead in.

Bill Clinton is to West Virginia...Mc/Palin can't make it.

Obama and Biden are to MO~ only Palin is there.

Obama and Biden both intend to go to Indiana~Mc/Palin ZERO.

Pennsylvania and Ohio still appear to be the Republicans windmill. McCain will spend two days in Ohio, Palin one. Bill Clinton is heading there. So perhaps "advantage McCain" except they have to gain about 6% there. And Pennsylvania will be left to Palin (two days) and Biden (two as well).

Now some oddities that may be changed. Bill Clinton is off to Minnesota...likely in order to bolster Al Franken's race.

Obama is going to Colorado and Nevada...I expect a bombshell to be dropped on this run West.

And Biden is visiting his home state...Delaware. Not clear why...but maybe this is a smokescreen.

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marctx:

NW Patrick:

"marctx are you feeling ok? You are being reasonable tonight. Did you decide to vote for President Obama?:)"

I voted for McCain and stand by it. Looks like I'm on the loosing team. Just like when I voted for Hillary.

We'll all be Americans united on Nov 5th.


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DTM:

@smk6086

My stab at answering your questions:

(1) None that I know of, but it is an interesting idea. One possible hiccup is that different pollsters don't necessarily ask these sorts of questions in the same ways.

(2) I don't think we really know, but it is worth noting there was a similar tightening in the trackers the weekend before last, which then reversed during last week. So, I'm curious to see if the pattern repeats.

(3) Again I don't quite know, but if I recall correctly Obama has actually improved on tax-related polling questions as all this has been going on. Accordingly, I think this tactic may well have backfired on McCain to the extent it helped Obama broadcast the details of his tax plans.

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Viperlord:

Nader? LOL. Didn't think it would be easy to get him and Kennedy, thought he and Carter would go together more easily.

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kerrchdavis:

@MN & viperlord

lol! As much as I would love to take credit for playing one or several trolls in this pollster skit, I promise you: Even at the height of my creativity, I can't make this **** up...

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BrooklynDoug:

no drudge leak of Zogby yet? isn't it time?

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BarackO'Clinton:

My parents - Republican voters - my dad has never voted for a Democrat in his life...

...they both voted for Obama in FL. Reason given: Sarah Palin is unacceptable.

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Viperlord:

This will be the first Dem my dad's voted for President, the only other Dem he's voted for is Jim Webb.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:


I watched Joe the Plumber in a rally with Palinocchio this afternoon, at the end of the rally the guy was writing autographs to the audience, I was like I can't believe what I am seeing
The worse part of the story is the guy, in his speech at the same rally, dared to criticize Obama on foreign policies related to Israel, lol, lol!
Maybe he can see Toronto from his backyard in OHIO

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boomshack:

I wish to take this moment to publicly confess that I am really poster kerrchdavis. And I am willing to submit a blood sample for a DNA match.

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cinnamonape:

"Palin has the followers, Romney has the money. Palin is the darling of the Christian right, Romney is the fiscal conservative's dream. It will tear the GOP to pieces. They will have to find a compromise that will dispease both sides."

They'll try to make it sound like it's "Reece's Pieces"

when in fact it will taste and look more like "Rhesus Pieces"


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kerrchdavis:

.....

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Can there be an "out-of-control orgy"?:

Wow! I think Obama won his own infomercial!
McCain was practically non-existent!

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Viperlord:

Is kerrch actually this boom?

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political_junki:

I am flying to Chicago on Monday. Would love it if I could get a ticket. My email is alaki583-1@yahoo.com, email me :-)

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

@BrooklynDoug:

no drudge leak of Zogby yet? isn't it time?

That means the Zogby's numbers don't meet their expectations. BTW they should start posting state-by-state polls which will determine the next POTUS

Oh my Gosh 5 more days to go ...

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political_junki:

Can there be an "out-of-control orgy"?:
I am flying to Chicago on Monday. Would love it if I could get a ticket. My email is alaki583-1@yahoo.com, email me :-)

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cinnamonape:

"Thatcher:Republican civil war will make WarHammer40K look like a 60's sit-in. (for those of you not into gaming - sorry)."

Thatcher...you need to get this game into production! It'd sell a million!

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kerrchdavis:

@viperlord

I'm not ANY boom! although I admit, the timing of boomshacks appearance makes me look pretty guilty...

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Viperlord:

It's all a conspiracy!

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BrooklynDoug:

i actually rather enjoy the drudge cherry-pickig of close mccain polls. Get those expectations up a touch. Don't get me wrong, I'm be as terrified as any dem watching next tuesday, but i have to admit, i am really looking forward to watching a little Fox News if things are looking good for Obama -- saw starting around 8:30 or 9ish

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MNLatteLiberal:

@Viperlord,
OK, I took that test, and it appears that I am an immoral f'up!

Your scored -4 on Moral Order and 0 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism, Socialism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism, Social Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: John F Kennedy
5. 04' Election: Ralph Nader
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

I got NADERED!!!! LOL, NW Patrick, I know how you feel now! Too funny. For the record I voted Kerry and Gore before that. And damn it, I AM NOT SOCIALIST!!!

What next? Will McCain call me a socialist too?

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MNLatteLiberal:

@kerrch,
say something funny. as a test.
and then post your results of Viperlord's test.
see if your ideology comes up boom. LMAO
no, i take that back, that's too cruel. funny, but cruel. kerrch, i still believe you. fwiw.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

Guys, boom says he is kerrchdavis
Maybe, but technically there's a way to check it out
boom answer the following question and I will confirm that you might be kerrchdavis

1- which browser are you using?

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boomshack:

McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

"Guys, boom says he is kerrchdavis
Maybe, but technically there's a way to check it out boom answer the following question and I will confirm that you might be kerrchdavis

1- which browser are you using?"

I do not use a browser. Browsers are for moonbats. I whistle my posts directly into an Internet tube, Ted Steven's-like. Now, make kerrchdavis whistle. And Latte and Viperlord too for good measure. And 1Angry. Make all the moonbats whistle.

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Bigmike:

System: Conservatism
Ideology: Capital Republicanism, Conservative NeoLiberalism
Party: Republican Party
Presidents: Richard Nixon
04' Election: Michael Badnarik
08' Election: John McCain

Anyone know what Conservative NeoLiberalism is? It sure doesn't sound good. Do I need to see a doctor for that?

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

liar

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kerrchdavis:

I didn't like that test...

YOUR SCORE

Your scored -5 on Moral Order and 1 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism
2. Ideology: Social Democratism, Activism
3. Party: Democratic Party, Green Party
4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter
5. 04' Election: Ralph Nader
6. 08' Election: Dennis Kucinich

Of the 497,309 respondents (6,471 on Facebook):

1. 7% are close to you.
2. 57% are more conservative.
3. 4% are more liberal.
4. 7% are more socialist.
5. 22% are more authoritarian.

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Darknut:

Saying the polls are tightening then doing robo call in Arizona is.....

Great News for John McSame!!!!!!!!!!!!

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VonnegutIce9:

@Viperlord

While I appreciate your skepticism, I believe it to be unfounded. I've read just about every thing there is to read on Obama, even the tripe spewed out on Fox News and even anti-Obama sites. I fail to see anything close to the characteristics you've described, but more to the point those attributes of duplicity are baldly apparent in McCain and Palin, who routinely contradict themselves and repeat those lies without flinching...I'd be typing all night if I cited them all, but the best example is Palin claiming she was "cleared of all ethical wrongdoing" by the investigation into Troopergate.

I think these are scary times that we live in and I think that most honest Americans would admit that ANY candidate would frighten them a little, simple because the problems we face are so daunting. I think if you look at Obama's reactions to these problems, you will find him levelheaded and perhaps overly cerebral...but if that is his greatest fault that would be a welcome change from George Bush...I think if these 8 miserable years have taught us anything its that the United States will survive despite the supreme ignorance of its leaders...and I think the U.S. will do more than survive in an Obama administration. No doubt, the first few years will be hard, simply because of the fact that we've been left in such a bad place, but I believe that we will rebound and I think this new administration (God Willing) will be good at one thing: being smart with the money it spends and being efficient with its money.

In other words, stop worrying, the more likely case is that we've been psychologically ingrained to fear black people in power, or even in the same room! (I'm sure you've heard of the famous study that showed that blood pressure rises in most whites simply by observing a black man enter the room)...so be aware...that impulse is most likely buried somewhere in that brain of yours, and in mine, and in most of us...

However, we've got a chance to try something new, and if it doesn't work out, we'll keep trying something else new until we get it right...or the world will collapse and we'll destroy civilization...which would surely happen if Palin were to take power!

Ha!

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MNLatteLiberal:

Anyone know what Conservative NeoLiberalism is?

Mike, it's the same thing as the Reverse Bradley Effect: in the privacy of the voting booth, you are going to vote Obama/Biden. You are just too gosh darn big and conservative to admit that in public.

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carl29:

Wow, guys.

I just checked the numbers in Miami-Dade Co., South Florida. So far 315,038 people have voted early+absentee ballot. In 2004 a TOTAL of 778,953 people cast ballots in Dade County. We have already reached 40.4% of the that vote, and believe me, everyday the lines are longer and longer :-)

*It feels good to see Democracy in action guys, regardless of who you are for.

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political_junki:

This is Me!!!!
President Nixon? WTF????? LOOL
1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Richard Nixon
5. 04' Election: Michael Badnarik
6. 08' Election: Ron Paul

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MNLatteLiberal:

All these closet Nader supporters, lmao. No wonder he cost us the election in 2000. Fwiw, my wife is from Nader's home town in NW part of CT. Everyone there hates his guts. I used to like the guy, but his egotism since the 2000 elections and the continued denial and warped logic makes me strongly dislike him. Strongly.

Oh, and yeah, I admit it. I am kerrchdavis.

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Bigmike:

MNLatteLiberal

Nah, I found it on some site called crapwatch or something like that. It says I am somewhere right of Barry Goldwater. Hell of a name for that, neoliberalism. I thought the bastards were cussing me for a minute there.

Come to think of it, Goldwater really wasn't tough enough for my taste, LOL.

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MNLatteLiberal:

PS: i can't whistle.

@political_junki,
that's quite an eclectic mix you got there, young fellow. now i don't feel so bad. :)

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

Alleluia!
Hopefully on Nov 4h around midnight boom, KipTin, SA, boomspin, Alan...thing will disappear from this blog and that can be for ever

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MNLatteLiberal:

Bigmike, Al Haig?
(I am not trying to be hurtful, just inquisitive :))

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jonny87:

@carl29

still mega queues wow.

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political_junki:

MNLatteLiberal:
I am still laughing at my results :-)
By the way has Boom taken the test? I would pay good bucks to see his results lol

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Bigmike:

political_junki

You are obviously bi-polar. And confused. You thought you were liberal, but you are really a libertarian.

You didn't need to take that test. I could have told you that you are confused. You must be, you are an Obama supporter!

By the way, you libs are some long winded devils. If I wanted to read War and Peace, I would. Or maybe Atlas Shrugged.

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vmval1:

Hi Guys!
Any news on the latest Zogby?

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political_junki:

@Bigmike:
YOU of all people are telling me I am bipolar Mike?
Is that joke of the night?
"Conservative NeoLiberal" says to me I am bipolar :)))))

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

I have the gut feeling that the McPalinocchio campaign might challenge the election's outcomes on Nov 4h by pointing out that their internal polls are showing the opposite
Oh my God make it happen please, I am begging you

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Bigmike:

MNLatteLiberal:
Bigmike, Al Haig?

What about Al Haig?

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masselo:

Guys ,,

Have you noticed that the mccain's campaing has been using Joe the plumber at the rallies Now - LOL-- i think they are paying him to do so -- that is sooooooooooo funny

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Bigmike:

political_junki

"Conservative NeoLiberal" says to me I am bipolar

Nah, I looked it up. It is a term of endearment in Klingon mating rituals. Kind of like a pat on the back to us right wingers.

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MNLatteLiberal:

lol@Bigmike.
Mike, don't read Tolstoy; he is vastly overrated. Read Vonnegut. And John Irving. But if you feel you MUST venture into the wide world of Russian lit., go for Gogol and then Bulgakov. And they are way more concise.

@political_junki,
forget boom, i am curious how one ms palin would test without any coaching and provided she understood what all the big words meant.

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DTM:

That test stinks on ice. It called me a socialist, which I know is wrong because on other tests I tend to score more as a mild left-leaning libertarian. But as far as I can tell, there is no real option in that test to come out that way. Indeed, this is from the overview:

"The Moral Order dimension defines your ideal view of the world. Achieving that ideal order is the goal of politics."

My note: not in my view! Politics is about government, and government should only play a limited role in trying to achieve an ideal world.

"The Moral Rules dimension defines the rules you think are best to achieve your ideal moral order. Implementing those rules is the object of politics."

Again, not in my view! Government has a role in enforcing some moral rules, but by no means all of them.

"In short, your political opinions reflect what moral rules you think society should follow to reach or maintain your ideal moral order."

Um, for a third time, No! Much of my thinking on politics is based on my sense of the limits and potential problems with governments, often in contrast to other aspects of society.

In short, I reject the premise of this entire test, which seems to be that I am not allowed to see a distinction between politics/government and society in general.

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political_junki:

@bigMike:
"You must be, you are an Obama supporter!"
Given the other choice one doesnt need to be Obama supporter to vote for him.
Come on when JM hits the bucket who needs that incompetent, ignorant, vapid, venal, corrupt VP as POTUS?
My parents are life time republicans and they are voting Barr because of that baboon of a VP.

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McPalinocchioIsAJoke:

Another sign that they know the odd of winning is very low:
Palinocchio will be voting in Alaska on election day and view of the fact that Alaska is so far from USA that she can see Russia from her backyard I strongly doubt that she can come back before midnight Eastern Time the same day, if they were so convinced they are gonna win she would vote by absentee ballot in order to be in AZ partying with their colleagues
Agree with me?

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MNLatteLiberal:

DTM, i felt very similar to your last sentiment. I hate the very notion of having to color within the lines of that test. Too conformist. I reject the very notion of their coordinate system!

@Bigmike,
I was curious as to how you positioned yourself next to Mr. Haig, if Goldwater et al were too...whatever. Maybe you're just a secret hawk. And a social librarian. I mean l...l...i mean, i just can't bring myself to call you a lib...the l word. LOL.

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Bigmike:

MNLatteLiberal

You have me confused, partner. Do you think I am Al Haig?

My reading these days is mostly science fiction. Pure escape. But I did read a good Peter the Great biography a few years ago. That is as far into Russian lit as I got.

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boomshak:

REVIEW OF OBAMA'S REDICULOUS INFOMERCIAL:

Indeed, it is hard to understand why a candidate who is so far ahead in so many polls would broadcast a program that only creates new openings for his opponents to rehash old criticisms of his campaign. In this vein, the absurdly dramatic background music that couched Obama’s every word calls to mind the absurdly dramatic Greek pillars that stood behind Obama during his convention speech. Meanwhile, the broadcast’s nonstop sloganeering only bolsters the criticism that Obama’s vision of “change” is entirely devoid of real substance. And then there were the neatly tailored vignettes of “ordinary Americans” describing the challenges they face while lavishing praise on Obama. Naturally, these segments only remind voters that Obama is far less magical when he’s addressing “ordinary Americans” without absolute editorial control (see: Plumber, Joe the).

Most damaging, however, the $3 million that the campaign spent airing this half-hour of pure Hollywood is already reminding the media of candidate Obama’s most hypocritical act to date: his decision to opt out of public financing despite his previous pledge to accept it. Simple math beautifully illustrates Obama’s duplicitously achieved advantage: $3 million would be a significant 3.5% of the McCain campaign’s legally limited budget, but is less than 0.5% of Obama’s unlimited war chest.

Of course, John could be right: maybe nobody was watching. But to the extent that this broadcast made Obama look ridiculous, the McCain campaign might want to hold its own series of airings.

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kerrchdavis:

So are we gonna get this tied race by Sunday or what?

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political_junki:

@boom:
"Indeed, it is hard to understand why a candidate who is so far ahead in so many polls would broadcast a program that only creates new openings for his opponents to rehash old criticisms of his campaign."


What?
" is so far ahead in so many polls"????????
BOOM?
You break my hard! I thought they were tied!!!!!

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

shhh, Clinton and Obama are giving a joint speech in Florida right now.

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Bigmike:

MNLatteLiberal

I was kidding about being right of Goldwater. I think. That damn test says I am. I think.

Haig was a little pushy, but the only guy who could get the starch just right in Kissingers shirts.

My opinion. He served the country to the best of his ability and got a nice retirement.

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carl29:

boomshak,

Thank you for cutting and pasting the comment of your felon REPUBLICAN, Eric Trager. I am so impressed that a Republican is criticizing Obama :-)

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MNLatteLiberal:

boomshak, your opinion, whatever site you lifted it from, reflects exactly why McCain is so hopelessly behind and heading towards an epic failure next Tuesday. His handlers who spread the talking points you just rehashed STILL have not figured out that
a) they need to appeal to the middle of the road, not "center right" undecideds and
b) how to do it.
And now there is only 5 days left. Can't teach an old GOP new tricks.

@Bigmike
"You have me confused, partner. Do you think I am Al Haig?" Did I say you were Al Haig? In my efforts to help you find your inner conservative, I merely asked:
I was curious as to how you positioned yourself next to Mr. Haig, if Goldwater et al were too...whatever.

I have no delusions about you being anyone other than Bigmike. Just curious as to your opinion and positioning in re Big Al because you mentioned you have been around the block.

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carl29:

Another proof of McMaverick success across the nation?

Latest Star-13 poll shows tight presidential race in Indiana

Obama 46% McCain 45%

Indianapolis - With under a week to go before Hoosiers make their final choice for president, an Indianapolis Star-WTHR poll shows a statistical dead heat between Barack Obama and John McCain.

The latest Star-WTHR poll gives both sides in this presidential contest something to hold on to over the last six days before Election Day, but as is traditionally the case the race is beginning to tighten.

Senator Barack Obama still maintains a slight lead at 46% to 45% lead with six percent not sure.

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asquared:

Clinton's on fire in FL

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kerrchdavis:

@asquared

yeah, it's pretty awesome!

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political_junki:

WOW, Bill Clinton's speech is amazing.
His endorsement + 30min clip atleast 2 points in polls . YESSSSSSSSS

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Bigmike:

I too watched the big O on TV tonight.

Is there anyone in the entire country he isn't promising something to? He laid it on too thick, IMHO. He should have looked Presidential instead of like he was giving halloween candy to all 300 million of us.

There will be some number of people who will watch that and realize he is trying to be all things to all people. Enough who vote to make a difference? Guess we will see that on Tuesday.

Maybe it is just because I am really starting to not like him, but he looked kinda smug. Others may not agree with that, and that is OK.

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kerrchdavis:

@political

Bill is just awesome at speaking TO the people...so simple, yet so effective..

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Basil:

Weird test. I had to check the "hint" on every question to find out what he was getting at, and it was never quite what I would have thought. I wanted to say "none of the above" about 50% of the time.

My being a gonzo buddhist (or a unitarian jihadist, maybe) probably threw me into what they called "socialism". Nonconforming interdependence? Sounds good to me. You show me a declaration of interdependence and I'll sign it.

Whatever similarity to Jimmy Carter I might have is probably why you shouldn't vote for me for president. But if elected, I will serve.
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Your scored -1.5 on Moral Order and 0.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Socialism
Ideology: Social Democratism
Party: Democratic Party
Presidents: Jimmy Carter
04' Election: John Kerry
08' Election: Barrack Obama


Of the 497,316 respondents (6,471 on Facebook):
6% are close to you.
37% are more conservative.
23% are more liberal.
27% are more socialist.
11% are more authoritarian.

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NW Patrick:

BigMike and Boom. Why would McCain waste money on Robocalls in Arizona? Hmmm MUST BE THE ****ING INTERNALS! HAHAHAHA!

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political_junki:

"he is trying to be all things to all people."

Name one presidential candidate who hasnt done that,.

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kerrchdavis:

@bigmike

I don't think he's promising much to huge corporations that ship jobs overseas...just a hunch...

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NW Patrick:

Bigmike I think you know deep in your heart like em or not 8 years baby! PRESIDENT OBAMA. 8 years.

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zotz:

"Naturally, these segments only remind voters that Obama is far less magical when he’s addressing “ordinary Americans” "

You think he's magical?

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MNLatteLiberal:

@political_junki,
good catch on that "being too far in the polls" thingie. I long suspected that the real boomshak had been abducted by aliens and replaced by one of the regulars at pollster.

is boomshaCk the real boom after all? C-less boom has been posting rather heretical thoughts.

I have a serious question:

Has boom gone ROGUE?
(or just diva?)

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NW Patrick:

Anyone have a link to the Clinton appearance (The last great president this nation has seen in 30 years.) tonight? I wanna see!:)

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kerrchdavis:

Its on CNN right now..

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MNLatteLiberal:

i just flipped to Obama/Clinton in FL. I was watching him on Jon Stewart. Talk about blanketing the waves. The man is tireless. I think he actually managed to displace the Palin gone wild stories off the news cycle.

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Bigmike:

MNLatteLiberal

Haig went from a bird colonel to FOUR star general in 4 years when the worked for Kissinger at the NSC. Did he deserve it? Probably not. I am sure being tied to Kissinger had everything to do with it. I think he was over his head a little as Sec of State, but was effective WH Chief of Staff before that. Just working from memory here, but I think I have the facts pretty close to right. Would I have voted for him for Pres? Only in a very weak field.

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NW Patrick:

Hmm I only see the socialist speaking. ROFL
Where is Clinton? All done?

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kerrchdavis:

@NW

Yeah, Clinton was only on for about 10 mins..

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kerrchdavis:

If Obama is a socialist, I want to move to Sweden.

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MNLatteLiberal:

NW Patrick:

"Hmm I only see the socialist speaking. ROFL"

You, sir, happen to be talking to a room full of socialists, if that Viperlord test has anything to say about it! LOL.

Bigmike, thanks for spelling out your views.

Good night, all.
This liberal is off to bed to dream of pink AZ.

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zotz:

Losing narrowly is harder than losing by a landslide. That is true for Dems but maybe not for the Reps. They will have to restructure their party. The divide between fiscal and social conservatives is now a canyon. Many do not like the direction that the Palin-Huckabee wing of the party is lesding. This could be a permanent break up.

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Bigmike:

NW Patrick:
Bigmike I think you know deep in your heart like em or not 8 years baby!

Four looks like it has a realistic chance of happening. Eight? You might be getting just a little ahead of yourself. Guys who promise so much more than they can deliver have it held against them.

Meet me here for the mid-term elections and we will see if you are still in love with your boy.

By the way, Patrick. I thought you weren't gonna talk to me anymore? Must be my charming personality and delightfull wit. You just can't stay away. Maybe I should run next time!

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Pat:

HA HA that is funny. Obama is now talking about sharing his sanswich in 4th grade which makes him a re-distributor.

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political_junki:

Bigmike:
"Maybe I should run next time!"
You have my vote buddy as long as Palin is not your sidekick.

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Pat:

Sorry that is: sandwich not sanswich.

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kerrchdavis:

The McCain/Palin ticket is like a Bigmike/Boomshak ticket.

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

@Bigmike

A President is supposed to represent all people. Not just giving tax cuts to billionaires. So he should ignore some problems and some people completely?

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NW Patrick:

No BigMike I think it's "cute" you just couldn't NOT tune in to the Obama special tonight. Closet supporter! HA!

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NW Patrick:

You guys are my google. Anywhere I can see a replay of Clinton tonight?

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vmval1:

@kerr:

C'mon - Bigmike is OK - he may not agree with us. but at least he is rational.


Boomshak and Palin were separated at birth.

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Bigmike:

political_junki

Nah, Palin is a little young for me. I was thinking Sandra O'Connor or Kay Baily Hutchinson. Real hot chicks.

Obama may want to stay away from the Re-distribute jokes. It is one thing to give someone part of your sandwich. It is a whole other thing for someone else to tell you it ain't right for you to have that good a sandwich and take part from you and give it away.

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NW Patrick:

Bigmike aren't you emberassed your party has no chance without disgusting fear mongering? The only terrorist attack EVER on American Soil happened under Republican watch. THANKS ALOT!

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DTM:

The audience for Obama's "infomercial" wasn't people committed to McCain, so their reviews are a bit beside the point. Rather, it was designed to persuade a few undecideds plus help motivate his supporters.

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saywhat90:

35000 people wow

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saywhat90:

it was a great commercial and it did say alot about his policies and about himself.

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NW Patrick:

McCain, when he talks, looks soooo OLD AND CRANKY.

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zotz:

I think he was trying to win over women and the elderly. It seemed a bit sentimental but I was not the targeted audience any more than BigMike was. They think hard about who they were trying to reach. Did you notice all the rural scenes?

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kerrchdavis:

@vmal1

That's what I mean. Bigmike is like McCain: a decent person of bad politics who has a retarded ape for a running mate (Palin/Boomshak).

No offense bigmike, I still like you although I think you've been getting worse. Boomshak, I hope you get hit by a car.

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Basil:

BigMike

Checked out Conservative NeoLiberalism support site:

The Reverse Bradley Effect is a basic principle of Klingon Mating.

The male Klingon suitor[voter] can only reveal his sensitivity [support for Obama] privately to a prospective Klingon female [in the voting booth]. Such "weakness", if seen by other Klingon males, would likely result in combat and death. The privacy of the mating ritual [voting] allows for the more rational, thoughtful aspect of the Klingon personality to be expressed.

So:
Public posture/candidate=hypermacho-heroic/McCain
Private voting behavior/candidate=cooperative-rational/Obama

Whatever works, dude. It's a tough world.

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Bigmike:

Pro-America_Anti-America

So he should ignore some problems and some people completely?

Ignore, no. Prioritize, yes. And his priorities are way out of line, compared with mine.

It really is just simple math guys.

From his web site - $65 bil/yr for health care.
From his TV show - $15 bil for renewable energy.
From his TV show - Money to help American car companies re-tool.
From his TV show - Tax cuts for everyone making under $200k.

And all those assume he got the numbers right, and campaigns never do. They skew numbers in their favor. And they assume the dem congress won't make some minor changes here and there. They will. And those are just some of his programs.

Any way you cut it, someone has to pay for all of this. Those making over $250k? Yep, he will get more from them. He claims it will be only a few pct. But it won't be nearly enough. Where else is it gonna come from?

Corporate taxes? Corporation don't pay taxes, they collect them. Raise corp taxes and prices just go up. It's called inflation, and it will eat up the measly tax cut you MIGHT get in a hurry. And the fed will have to raise interest rates. And the economy will slow down and some of you will lose your jobs. Sounds like a sound econimic policy, heh?

Obscene profit tax on oil companies? I dare you. You really wanna see who owns who. You take their money above a certain level, they just won't go over that level. That means they turn back the supply. It's really easy to do. Normal refinery maintenance. And when we are paying $5/gal for gas again, prices in general go up. That's called inflation. End result, just like above, people get laid off.

Where is the money gonna come from?

And it is all for nothing.

You want renewables, let the market do it. It works. I'm pretty far right compared to most others on here. Guess what. I went to a Green Building Council meeting yesterday. Why? Because it makes BUSINESS sense. Get govt out of the way and the market will take us where we need to be.

Car companies need re-tooled? Kinda sounds like govt getting into Ford and GM's business. Besides, these are the eveil car companies, makers of the dreaded SUV's. You give them $ to re-tool, they will update so they can make SUV's cheaper and get higher margins on them.

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zotz:

"Get govt out of the way and the market will take us where we need to be."

That is how we got into this mess. Casino capitalism. No rules! Mike you are a dinosaur and the asteroid is headed right for you!

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Bigmike:

NW Patrick:
The only terrorist attack EVER on American Soil happened under Republican watch. THANKS ALOT!

First, check your facts. There were a couple of attacks, albeit smaller, in the 90's.

9/11 happened because Clinton was a wuss.

You may notice the bastards have not been back in the 7 years since it happened.

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AdamSC:

Everyone,

Get ready to see a phenomenal event partake this coming Tuesday. While I don't know how much we can rely on these overwhelming polls that show a increasing wave of evidence, supporting an Obama landslide... the thing I do know is that he will win this Presidential Election.

This was a very highly produced, technically incredibly competent half hour of television.


It was all designed to get voters comfortable with the idea of Barack Obama in the Oval Office, that he is embedded in the lives of average Americans, and knows exactly what they're going through.

Obama even appeared in a facsimile of the White House Oval Office during the infomercial. Every single line during that 30 minutes was something that the campaign knows works and appeals to those undecided voters.

What you saw here was a highly competent, professional, virtuoso performance. The fact that they could go 28 minutes in and hit live to a campaign rally in Florida and right down to the final Obama Biden logo even showed a rising sun. One of the things the campaign knows is that the most optimistic presidential candidate always wins.

And then hours later, Barack Obama and Bill Clinton campaigned together in Orlando, Florida. While Barack Obama gave a beefed up version of his 'closing arguments', it was Bill Clinton who gave an outstanding case for change in this country to her people.

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hou04:

BOOMSHAK, NWPatrick, bmrKY & mysticlaker:

DID YOU GUYS SEE COMMENT MARK BLUMENTHAL POSTED FOR YOU ALL UNDER "MARIST - OH, PA" THREAD??? IF NOT, GO SEE IT THERE.

Or here, I'll copy and paste it for you:

"Mark Blumenthal:
@boomshak - you wrote:

"the American Public doesn't want a Jew-hating Sociialist running the economy."

Would you care to take a moment to explain to me and everyone else how this comment qualifies as remotely civil and intelligent? And why I should not consider it an obvious violation of the comments policy of this blog and grounds for banning?

I'm listening. Go ahead.

And keep in mind that I am in no mood right now to see anyone wave a false flag of antisemitism, and if you don't understand why, perhaps someone who actually reads this blog can explain it to you.


@NWPatrick, bmrKY & mysticlaker:

Same question to you about your posts above. Does the admonition against profanity mean anything to you? I got an email today from a teacher who cannot allow her students to view this site because some of you cannot control yourselves. Do I need to shut off the comments altogether or can any of you act like adults?

@Mystic: I deleted your comment above. I see one more like it and you're banned."

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Atomique:

Have fun sitting on your butts and watching your guy lose, Republicans. Go ahead, spend the next six days whining on the Internet. See how far that gets you.

It's clear that most McSame supporters are really not so much McSame supporters as Obama haters. That's why they don't have enough enthusiasm to go and actually do something productive for their candidate.

Our ground game is going to totally swamp them. I'm going to be volunteering these last several days, helping to drive that last spear into the dying elephant!

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Can there be an "out-of-control orgy"?:

political_junki:

I would love to get a ticket too! I'm currently in the process of working my butt off to get one...I hear through the grapevine that I can put some dues in (a whole day's worth) and get a ticket...hopefully it pans out.

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Bigmike:

zotz

That is how we got into this mess. Casino capitalism.

This mess? It is indeed bad enough right now. But when they throw out that "worst economy since the depression" crap, it always makes me laugh.

Do you remember Reagan coining the term Misery Index. Unemployment + inflation. Last I looked, the current numbers put the misery index at about 11%. Gas has come down lately, so it is probably less.

Your buddy Mr Carter had that number at almost 21%. In 1980 unemployment was 7.1% and inflation was 13.6%. Which mess would you rather have?

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liz from NJ:

I think the true toss - up states (as they stand now) are MO, IN, and NC. FL started to trend Obama.

So, given this, I am a bit surprised that Obama is going ALL THE WAY to CO and NV to campaign this weekend. I would like him to spend more time on the above mentioned three states, plus, maybe for a shock value or to help the senate rate, GA.

What do you think?

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laguna_b:

@Bigmike
"You may notice the bastards have not been back in the 7 years since it happened."

Since 9/11 Osama BL has WON! America is tearing itself apart, financially, intenationally , Constitutionally. We have divided our allies and united our enemies. We are bleeding wealth and lives in Iraq and Afghanistan trying to swap a fly. Everytime there is a suspicion of OBL we lose another freedom and a few 100 billion. Yes, OBL got what he wanted. What he wants next is more of the same....McCain! Bet he will come out with tape praising Obama and that will be HIS October surprise. Americans are STUPID enough to fall for it too!

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Bigmike:

I noticed in Obama's speech that he had personal stories from people in FL, OH, and NM. I will bet the footage was still being edited around supper time today in order to have a current "message". Is that an indication that Obama is worried about NM now?

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Pat:

@liz from NJ:

I think he can win easy by banking CO, NV, NM, VI, IA plus PA. Both CO and NV are less of an uphill battle because of the demographics. I see MO, IN, and NC as more of a challenge.

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zotz:

BigMike-
Carter also hired Volker who had the smarts to figure out how to end inflation. Your guy, Reagan, didn't like Volker's fiscal restraint so he fired him and hired Greenspan. Greenspan advocated relaxed bank regulations under the theory that Bankers would never take excessive risks with their capital. Recently, in front of a Senate committee Greenspan admitted he was wrong.

Volker is one of Obama's main economic advisors.

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saywhat90:

no it merely he didnt just want to include states the he was tied in

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saywhat90:

i was taught that you know you did something good when everyone tries to trash it. it was a good 30 minute ad he had and now we will see what effect it will have on the electorate. it may backfire but it may not.

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joecooper:

Big Mike

To suggest the 9/11 attacks happened because "Clinton was a wuss" not only grossly oversimplified an international problem of extreme complexity, it's patently wrong. Bill Clinton and his administration did a superlative job of reconnaissance and intelligence gathering. It was the Bush Administration who cavalierly dismissed the good advice and intelligence that was passed along to them. Remember Condi testifying in front of the 9/11 Commission, having to explain why the administration had ignored the document with the slugline: "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

I don't consider this a partisan matter, by the way. More than 3,000 Americans died--and countless others since--because of the incompetence of the Bush Administration. To toss off a comment like, "because Clinton was a wuss" is simply irresponsible.

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NW Patrick:

hou04 who cares. I'll make a new screenname with a different IP.

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common sense:

@ big mike : The GOP scheme of economics has proven to be bankrupt. Obviously you are a fair minded guy. If BO is elected I am sure that you will hope that his policies are best for our nation. That said - I have (perhaps mistakenly assumed that you are from AK). If so - can you please explain to me why AK has a State Park named "Toad Suck Park"? Apart from visiting Hot Springs where a sign in a strip club parking lot proclaimed that Hot Springs was the boyhood home of BC I thoroughly enjoyed losing my money at Oaklawn.

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saywhat90:

did anyone get a peek at the zogby poll

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bmrKY:

Yeah Mike, he's just terrified about losing New Mexico

Ras New Mexico
Obama 54
McCain 44

McMaverick "surge" = republicans coming home. Nothing more, nothing less.

Obama featured a family from my state of Kentucky. I doubt he thinks he can pull off Kentucky. He featured the families he did because he wanted to show what REAL Americans (not idiots whose only worries are Bill Ayers and "he's an arab") from different parts of the country go through on a daily basis. Look at the state polls. Barack Obama isn't the one who needs to worry as of right now. That would be you, McCain and the rest of the looney toon neocon bunch.

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Bigmike:

laguna_b

"Osama BL has WON! America is tearing itself apart"

Guess you are entitled to your opinion. We are sitting in warm cozy rooms talking about an upcoming free election. America is looking pretty good from my vantage point.

"Americans are STUPID enough to fall for it."

I guess my friends and neighbors are a little brighter than yours. And we sure don't talk that way about each other. But, once again, first amendment, your entitled to your opinion.

Do they even have, like, gravity in CA?

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laguna_b:

If you remember Richard Clark (National Security Chief under Reagan, Bush, Clinton) explained in great detail how the Bush administration ignored OBL because it was focused on going to war with Iraq from day 1. This was confirmed by the first Treasury Secretary who was confounded by it all when it was going on.

Perhaps if Bush had been concerned he owuld not have vacationed for a MONTH (after 6 mos in office) just before the attacks...

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NW Patrick:

To even suggest we are "safer" now than before 911 is ridiculous. Bush enraged millions of new little terrorists.

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Atomique:

It's clear why Al-Qaeda wants George Bush III. Their goal is to engage the United States in a war with the Muslim world so as to drain our economy, our resources and our morale to weaken this country, like they did to the USSR in Afghanistan.

George Bush III wants to continue this war in Iraq indefinitely, and even jokes about bombing Iran! And it's clear that President Obama is going to be much more rational with our military, only using it when it's absolutely necessary for the defense of this country and only when he has a clear mission for our troops.

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saywhat90:

laguna is right we have been scared into doing things americans would not normally do.we have given up some of our rights in the name of security. as ben franklin said when you give up liberty for security you end up with neither

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NW Patrick:

Mike does it concern you that your president was paling around with the Bin Laden family, I can show you pictures of them at the Crawford ranch. Dispute that?

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NW Patrick:

Aww the good ole days. When McCain told America ANTHRAX was from the terrorists. Turns out it was a crazy white gov. worker.

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NW Patrick:

What is the latest talking point for our presence in Iraq? Anyone?

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laguna_b:

@Bigmike
"We are sitting in warm cozy rooms talking about an upcoming free election. "

So what invading armies and Navies was OBL going to throw at us to take away our "way of life"?

GAO office estimated the total cost of the Iraq war at $2.7 Trillion. (forget Afghanistan) We just went through a $700B Bailout. We are approaching $10 Trillion in debt. I am glad you are sitting cozily because when the bills come you better be sitting down.

The rest of the planet DOES NOT TRUST US and will not cooperate with us when we NEED it. Do you just sit in your warm cozy room and ignore this until when???

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political_junki:

why zogby's site has not been updated?
anyone has seen their number today?

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saywhat90:

yeah never saw americans so terrified in my life.considering the odds of most americans being attacked by terrorists is almost nil

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saywhat90:

i think its updating now

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Atomique:

@NW Patrick:

McSame said that Osama bin Laden thinks Iraq is Al-Qaeda headquarters. And bin Laden wouldn't lie to us, would he?

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NW Patrick:

It's sad the state of America around the world. We are no longer the beacon of the world. I've read several reports showing top scientists, engineers, programmers, etc. are no longer coming here in the #'s they once did. Our education system, pre college, is in shambles. We consistently produce a class of tards.

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DTM:

A couple random economics points:

(1) A tax on corporate profits is ultimately a tax on capital (shareholders and lenders), not a tax on consumers. This is a complex topic, but the bottomline is that if corporations could increase their revenues by increasing their prices, they would have done so already, tax or no tax.

(2) The Misery Index is inapplicable to something like the Great Depression because that was a deflationary scenario. And that is precisely what we should be worried about right now (a crisis in the credit markets setting off a deflationary recession/depression).

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laguna_b:

@Bigmike

Oh, and maybe you care ...assume the best in you....but a few 100,000 Iraqis have died from our invasion in a continuing bloody strife. These people were able to live well enough under baddy Saddam, but when we attacked, millions fled to Syria. In Syria they have an oppressive regime as well. So the fled American "liberation" to go to a more peaceful place, Syria, where they could not work, until they were so impoverished they returned home. Mission Accomplished! What we have arrogantly done to the people of Iraq is unforgivable.

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political_junki:

Zogby anyone? their site is down...

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NW Patrick:

Zogby #'s must be the same or better for Obama. Why? Because Drudge Report is QUIET. LOL

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laguna_b:

Zogby down or Drudge just taking longer to load it?

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Mister H.:

As long as my mail is postmarked by Tuesday I'm good.


Might want to check. I believe the ballots must be RECEIVED by the close of polls on Tuesday.

"Postmarking" would imply that they could be received on Wednesday...and I suspect that is wrong.

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Basil:

This is Mark's house, we're all drinking his Kool-Aid, and it's good stuff. We're visiting. What's not to get?

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liz from NJ:

Pat,

yes, Obama can win the election without IN, MO, or NC.

My hope is not just winning. I would like to see him win a landslide. Given the vicious nature of the negative campaign McCain ran, I think it's very important that Obama wins big.

that will once and for all squash any doubt about the will of the American people, and repudiate the Karl Rove style dirty campaign.

Also, he is the first minority President. It's even more important and meaningful for him to get an unambiguous mandate, who single handedly reshaped the electroal map for the years to come. It will help him get by partisan support.

Just a hope. I think he can do it.

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DTM:

Per a poster at 538:

"Zogby 50.2 o 43.3 m"

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Pat:

I think Zogby's site crashed because of all the repugs rushing to find some good news.

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dominoid:

Zogby

Obama - 50.2
McCain - 43.3

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Bigmike:

common sense

AK is Alaska. AR is Arkansas. Don't worry, happens all the time.

I don't live in the parts you are referring to. And it is not my home state. I don't have a clue how "toad suck park" came about, but you are right, it does exist.

joecooper

If we had a history of striking back when terrorists strike us, do you think they may have thought twice about it? But we let them hit our embassies in Africa, hit our warship in the gulf states, and even try to blow up the WTC. And we really came after them. With subpoenas. Bet that scared them to death! Am I patently wrong on the above?

zotz:

Carter also hired Volker who had the smarts to figure out how to end inflation

Then why didn't it work? Yearly inflation numbers.

1976-5.80
1977-6.50
1978-7.60
1979-11.20
1980-13.60
1981-10.40
1982-6.20
1983-3.20

Goodnight all. Love to the wife and family. Yada, yada.

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

@DTM

Skeptical but possible since Drudge wasn't blaring Zogby.

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NW Patrick:
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NW Patrick:

Link to these Zogby #'s? Their site is still down.

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NW Patrick:

Man Clinton can speak. The REPUBLICANS just presided over the largest REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH SINCE THE 1920's. He's right!

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

I dont put very much weight into Zogby numbers but given his sensitivity to movement versus a poll like Ras could he picking up a upward trend for Obama?

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RussTC3:

For what it's worth, that's Obama's best lead in Zogby's tracking poll since last Saturday, when he was up by 9.5 points.

That was also the last time Obama was over 50%.

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political_junki:

Pro-America_Anti-America:
"Skeptical but possible since Drudge wasn't blaring Zogby."

Me too. 2 different people reported it on 538 but still they may both be pulling our leg...

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political_junki:

Here is the Reuters write up:
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 7-point lead over Republican rival John McCain with five days left in the race for the White House, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Thursday.

Obama leads McCain by 50 percent to 43 percent among likely voters in the three-day national tracking poll, building on his 5-point advantage on Wednesday. The telephone poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

It was the second consecutive day Obama's lead has grown as the two-year presidential battle draws to a close. McCain is struggling to overtake Obama's lead in every national opinion poll and in many battleground states.

"This is not good news for McCain. The race was tightening for a few days but now it is going back the other way," pollster John Zogby said.

Support for Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, hit or exceeded the 50 percent mark for the seventh time in the last 10 days. McCain's support has not reached 46 percent in more than three weeks of polling.

Obama held steady or expanded his edge among several crucial blocs of swing voters, leading by 19 points among independents, 10 points among women, 9 points among Catholics and 7 points among voters above the age 65.

Obama also moved ahead of McCain, an Arizona senator, by 5 points among men. McCain still leads by 8 points among white voters but only earns the support of about 30 percent of Hispanics, a fast-growing group that gave President George W. Bush more than 40 percent of their vote in 2004.

The poll also found Obama was doing a better job of reaching across ideological lines, earning the support of nearly 20 percent of self-described conservatives. McCain wins about 10 percent of liberals.

Both candidates campaigned in Florida on Wednesday as Obama simultaneously ran a 30-minute advertisement on three national television networks. He also appeared at a late-night rally in Orlando with former President Bill Clinton -- their first joint campaign event.

Independent Ralph Nader received 2 percent in the national survey, and Libertarian Bob Barr was at 1 percent. About 2 percent of voters remain undecided.

The rolling tracking poll, taken Monday through Wednesday, surveyed 1,202 likely voters in the presidential election. In a tracking poll, the most recent day's results are added, while the oldest day's results are dropped to monitor changing momentum.

The U.S. president is determined by who wins the Electoral College, which has 538 members apportioned by population in each state and the District of Columbia. Electoral votes are allotted on a winner-take-all basis in all but two states, which divide them by congressional district. (Editing by Doina Chiacu)"

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laguna_b:

"If we had a history of striking back when terrorists strike us, do you think they may have thought twice about it? But we let them hit our embassies in Africa, hit our warship in the gulf states, and even try to blow up the WTC. And we really came after them. With subpoenas. Bet that scared them to death! Am I patently wrong on the above?"

Yes! You are patently WRONG. Terrorists are NOT countries. You don't just bomb them. You have to find them first. The best way is to eliminate thier protecive surroundings...the locals. I don't mean kill em. They are your friends or your enemies....the more they are your freinds the less likely they are to hide them. OUR policy is to make enemies faster than we can kill em.

You can't defeat a NETWORK. Our defense department is fighting WWII still. You can't defeat them by destroying ourselves and what we stand for either (Guantanamo, Habeus, et al.)

Make no mistake, they ARE winning.

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mr2dco:

for a short writeup on the new zogby poll, try reuters. it is 50-43 obama. mccain's brief "surge" is over-- at least according to zogby.

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE49J0LF20081030

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joecooper:

Big Mike

Read "The Looming Tower." Pulitzer Prize for non-fiction. Good stuff. Don't be afraid of learning something new.

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NW Patrick:

It's confirmed.
See link above guys in previous post.

"This is not good news for McCain. The race was tightening for a few days but now it is going back the other way," pollster John Zogby said.

Support for Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, hit or exceeded the 50 percent mark for the seventh time in the last 10 days. McCain's support has not reached 46 percent in more than three weeks of polling.

*** WOW THIS MCCAIN SURGE IS AMAZING... GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE ****

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ThisLandIsMyLand:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrat Barack Obama has opened a 7-point lead over Republican rival John McCain with five days left in the race for the White House, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Thursday.

Obama leads McCain by 50 percent to 43 percent among likely voters in the three-day national tracking poll, building on his 5-point advantage on Wednesday. The telephone poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

It was the second consecutive day Obama's lead has grown as the two-year presidential battle draws to a close. McCain is struggling to overtake Obama's lead in every national opinion poll and in many battleground states.

"This is not good news for McCain. The race was tightening for a few days but now it is going back the other way," pollster John Zogby said.

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NW Patrick:

From what I read today a huge McCain polling night for McCain will drop from Rasmussen tomorrow. The mini surge is over.

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laguna_b:

Oh dear....I heard a shot gun go off in the direction of North Carolina....someone check on Boomshak!

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

If the event with Clinton and his 30-minute special doesn't move some points towards him I will be rather surprised. Just being in the public eye is usually good for some gain but his message was spot on.

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common sense:

Please - all of you people need to get a life.Yes- Obama is going to win.(Dems) Get over it and stop rubbing it in. People who vote for McCain are not our enemies. They are Americans with whom we may have a difference. The point is not to win but to advance what is best for our country. Let us come together. This is a great country. Is it the greatest country ever? I don't know. Let us stop the hate. This is absolutely my last post. Thank God.

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Man, I come rolling back in from knocking a few back at the saloon and I see Ba-rock has a 7 pointer on Jmac. Wow. And Nevada is alive with all sorts of shades of blue tonight. It's like it's the Blue Light Special all over the Valley.

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Pro-America_Anti-America:

@common sense

It is not about that. Regular McCain supporters here are respected but when they troll and use racial language like southern angler and boomshak and like some of the folks at those rallies then they deserve whatever they get.

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SoCal_Rules:

Here's the link to the new Zogby. Obama 50, McCain 43. +2 gain for Obama over McSame from yesterday....

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE49J0LF20081030

I guess we'll have to wait for Rasmussen, IBD/TIPP, and GWU Battleground tomorrow to give them some hope.

I guess the McCain surge isn't gonna start until late next week for the trolls. Election day is November 11th, right?...(sarcasm).

5 DAYS AND COUNTING..KEEP THE PEDAL TO THE METAL GUYS!!!

OBAMA-BIDEN 2008!!!!

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laguna_b:

@common

Our core principle is to BRING AMERICA BACK TOGETHER and if we do not accomplish that in the next year or two and change the dynamic then we will not survive as a nation.

Most of the McCain posters who come here will see they want to join us all together to fix our energy problems, health care etc. Because we need all opinions to make the best choices.

Amen (non-religious)

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BarackO'Clinton:

And with the Zogby poll I can go to bed and dream of boomshak spin tomorrow.

Hmmm, I'm guessing the Daily Kos will be his new gold standard.

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Basil:

BigMike

As I see it, the problem is that when you're attacked, there's a strong urge to lash out even if you don't know who attacked you or how to get back at them. It's totally human, but crappy foreign policy.

Nobody argues against counterstrikes, but if attacking Iraq was our answer to 9/11 we're well on our way to being internationally known as nut jobs.

Plus, Rev. Wright was right to quote the Reagan advisor about 9/11 being our foreign policy chickens coming home to roost. You drive people crazy, they do bad stuff.

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Bigmike:

laguna_b
Yes! You are patently WRONG. Terrorists are NOT countries. You don't just bomb them

Did I say bomb them. That is what chicken little Clinton did. A couple of cruise missles. But there are a lot of ways to eliminate a threat, many more effective than cruise missles. And I don't neessarily mean using force. But when you are attacked, you have to respond. Otherwise you are viewed as weak. On a personal note, when I wore the OD I much preferred a hands on approach.

joecooper

Try reading "The Prince." One of the all time world wide best sellers. And don't be afraid of learning something.

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BlixaCat:

Love it.

My two cents about the "Bradley Effect." I'm from L.A. I was there when Tom Bradley lost in '69, won in '73, '77, '81, etc. I was in Sacramento on Election Night in '82. Let me tell you...I supported him, but he was, and I mean this in a nice way, BORING. Really. No comparison to the inspiration the current candidate provides.

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Rollin08:

Hey NW Patrick, look for more of the Clinton speech. My favorite part was when he was saying "if you vote we WILL win". or something to that effect.. I know I liked the way that sounded : )

Props to Portland too. Just moved here and love this place!

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laguna_b:

@Blixacat

I agree about Bradley, but then Pete Wilson and Dukemejian were no fireballs of interest....and Grey Davis? VERY GREY.....like a faded movie....Jerry Brown And Arnie are the only interesting ones that come to mind. Gavin Newsom will set a NEW standard....talk about energetic and driven!

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Bigmike:

Whoever wins next week is OUR President. Unlike many libs, present company excepted, I will NOT spend all my time trying to knife him in the back. Libs need to get over 2000 and get on with their lives. Maybe this is just the kind of therapy they need, lol.

Sweet dreams

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laguna_b:

@Rollin08

Portland is nice and interesting but Hood River ROCKS!!!! Visit friends there all the time!

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MichaelJason:

I love all the tough talking wingnuts now speaking reconciliation, near defeat, after hammering "Obamabots" for a year. Goodnight right wing nutjobs! :)

See you in 8 years!

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DTM:

@Pro-America_Anti-America

I think it is most likely Zogby is just experiencing random noise. A second possibility is there is some sort of cyclical effect in the trackers. I would put the possibility of Zogby picking up a real change in voter preference of anything like that magnitude way behind these other possibilities.

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The Dude:

Looks like Georgia's on Obama's mind...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081029/pl_mcclatchy/3086719

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cinnamonape:

BlixaCat...

Bradley was boring (which may have been one reason he was considered a safe AA at that time). But then Deukmejian was not one to give a barn-burning speech, either. I think it's beem fairly well established that there is no such thing as the "Bradley Effect", at least as presented in the common mythos. It was something that was created by Mervin Field (of the Field Poll) to explain away his flawed methodology in sampling. He simply claimed that people lied to him. Actually, deeper analysis showed that he didn't account for individuals who refused to participate in his exit polls. As well large numbers of Undecideds swung to the Duke. There was a gun-control referendum on the ballot that brought out a high percentage of Central Valley and rural Republicans. And lastly, Ronald Reagan returned to California and campaigned in the Central Valley and Orange County in the last week before the election.

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ThisLandIsMyLand:

@bigmike - If you're trying to win us over with your charm, you might start by not calling us "libs" all the time. This is not about "getting over 2000". This country needs serious electoral reform. We have insecure voting machines that change votes and massive voter suppression efforts by the GOP that have been well documented. If people don't have confidence that our elections are legitimate, then our whole democracy is a joke. We're no better than Zimbabwe. Restoring our rights as citizens to vote (on a paper ballot) and have our votes counted accurately and taking our elections out of the hands of private companies should be priority number one for the new congress.

So, no, I will not be fine if McCain wins next week, because I will KNOW that the election was stolen. Since 2000, I no longer have confidence in my county's electoral process. That never was the case before. I would have been devasted if Clinton had lost, but I would have believed that it was fair, and that he simply didn't get enough votes.

Really, it doesn't matter whether I'm right or wrong, but the mere fact that millions of people no longer have confidence that their votes will count, that in itself is undermining our democracy.

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cinnamonape:

In a sign that Arizona may be competitive McCain has started robo-calling in his home state. This is reminiscent of the Germans in May of 1945 broadcasting that they were continuing to win great victories against the Allies. The problem was that the "victories" kept getting closer and closer to Berlin.

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common sense:

@ big mike : Wow is my face red. AK is Alaska - AR is Arkansas. After this nonsense is over I would like to buy you a drink.

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ThisLandIsMyLand,

Excellent post. I feel the same way you do. And I think many of millions of Americans do as well. So if McCain wins next week it will seem obvious to me and many, many, many others that the election was stolen. You can literally feel the Obama excitement on the streets. If he loses there's no other explanation than Diebold stole the election. This actually is something I worry about but I never really talk about it.

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Rollin08:

I like seeing the hoge poge of people coming together for Obama's rallies. People of all age color and religion are pulling together. This is what America is about.

In contrast anyone even remotely arab looking wouldn't dare show his face at a McCain/Palin rally...what does that tell you?

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BOOMFAIL:

@cinnamonape: The McCain "internal memo" about how well their polls are looking, etc... reminded me of Bhagdad Bob (or whatever his name was) that was broadcasting that they were winning as the tanks were rolling into Iraq. Everyone knew it wasn't true, and that's why he became a laughing stock. Very similar to McCain today!

Time is getting short, my friends. If you can vote early, please do so. This election will have massive turnout, mark my words. The lines may be long now before November 4th, but just imagine how long they will be on Tuesday! Whether you plan to vote early, or will vote on Tuesday, please do not get discouraged or tricked into turning away. Do not let them take your vote away. We have waited a long time for this kind of change, we can wait just a little more while in line. [Shame on Florida, among other states, for putting you through hours of waiting in line, when there could be a better way.] 5 more days!

Landslide Baby Landslide

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BlixaCat:

Cinnamonape:

You are right. Duke was boring too. Sloppy polling, the gun thing, rural turnout, and, let's face it, CA was just more of a red state then. Brown lost to Wilson, too, which is too bad because he would have been a great senator. But I've never bought the concept of the "Bradley Effect." If you didn't want to vote for Bradley, there was no social pressure to cause anyone to hide that fact.

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zotz:

"Whoever wins next week is OUR President. Unlike many libs, present company excepted, I will NOT spend all my time trying to knife him in the back."

Just half the time, huh? Just kidding! Ok this is as close as BigMike can get to being conciliatory and I think we should meet him halfway. I have seen much worse at this site.

And I am not offended if he calls me a lib.

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FromSarkoToObama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1azQcs-8iI
This ad is ridiculous, let suppose Obama will discuss with Iran's leaders, the subject mainly would be Israel safety, So how are going to discuss that, if ahmadinijad is proposing "Wiping Israel as precondition".
Mc Cain shame on you, are you proud with such ad, don’t you see how Bush, who used the same policy based on fear and smears has such bad image not only in the usa but in the whole world.

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common sense:

OK Guys and gals ( We are going to win) - This election is not a contest between good and evil but one where the best person (Obama) win). John McCain is a good man. His politics are being rejected by the people of our republic. God bless America.

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liz from NJ:

Of obama were white with all other aspects the same, I would vote for him enthusiastically just the same.

Yet, the fact that he is a minority member that is running a transformational campaing has an extra meaning to me.

My children are bi-racial (Asian/Caucasian - Jewish). I feel like Obama is breaking all the ceilings and taboos for my children as well.

My 15 year old younger son wants to become a politician. In this election, I will be voting for all those like him - may they never know what this fuss about this bi-racial man was all about!

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That was a nice post Liz, thank you.

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The Dude:

Well said Liz. You're doing right by your kids.

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liz from NJ:

AND, yes, I will also be voting for all the young Arab/Muslim boys and girls who have big dreams in USA.

The absolute worst the McCain has done was to make it legit to be Arab-phobic (Islamaphobic).

It is such an ugly site - that a whole community of citizens are wholesale portratyed as a devil incarnate.

McCain should ponder about how low he stooped, and I hope he regrets this terrible mark on his honor on his death bed.

During last couple of months, I developed a real empathy toward the Arab American community.

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common sense:

Listen folks - We the DEMS are going to win. Do not rub it in. We are one country. Let us govern by example. No sarcasm- no revenge. Let us come together as a nation.

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Knyght:

Bigmike,

We did get over 2000. Right after 9/11. Bush has approval ratings in the 90th percentile after the attack and remained in the high 80s for some time afterwards. We buried the hatchet, we united behind our President and we stood together as one nation.

You know how the Republicans rewarded that loyalty? By stabbing us in the back. Remember the 2002 elections? "If you vote for the Democrats, the terrorists win." The unconscionable treatment of Max Cleland. They repeated the trick in 2004 and again in 2006. They drove a wedge between the country in a moment of national crisis for the sake of gaining a few seats in Congress. "Betrayal" is not too strong a word.

I respect your opinion and your belief that McCain is the bast choice, but as a pot, you have no business calling the kettle black. We gave your side the benefit of the doubt once. You're forgive us if we're reluctant to ever do so again.

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Pat:

@liz from NJ:

Thank you for your great post. I feel exaclty the same.

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Rollin08:

I like these late nights, things really start to sink in. This movement has been a beautiful thing!.. Much better then the last two elections. I really want this one.

Looking forward to the polls in the morning!

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common sense:

This is addressed to all of us nut job liberals. Look - we are finally going to win. Do not rub it in. We are one nation. Act like a winner.

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Ryguy:

i do not intend to rub it in common sense. i dont view this as a game. when this thing is over we all go back to being neighbors. until then its hard to be a saint. its not as though we're picking on the conservatives, just going back and forth in a heated argument. and its also not as if they wouldnt be doing the same if their guy was ahead.

anyways, when this thing is all said and done, ill be happy to be respectful of just about all of you... boomshak excluded of course.

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Basil:

On the one hand, religion helps people come to grips with the pettiness and suffering in life. On the other hand, it can inspire hatred and bloodshed that negates its benefit to believers.

The semitic religions (among others) are a step beyond tribalism, but have elements that do not fit well with a global society. Yet within each of them there are individuals and groups who work for tolerance and forbearance.

Could we start with the idea of what it means to be "chosen by God"? Does the creator of the universe write books and pass out real estate to favorites? Please, for the love of God, stop saying "We're the chosen people and unless you agree with us, you're not." It just makes people mad.

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Lechuguilla:

One "possible" explanation for McCain's mini-surge is Obama's trip to Hawaii. Some people "might" have concluded that the trip was a tad inappropriate. The timing of McCain's surge certainly coincided with the trip. Just a thought. :)

Lech

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saywhat90:

i think this khalidi attack is going to anger many muslim voters. saying that being pro palestinian makes u a plo spokesman cannot bode well for mccain and muslim. it almost like saying if you are pro german you are a neonazi spokesman.

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Ryguy:

basil... are we really going to get into a religious debate? THATS whats going to make people mad...

the concept of being the chosen people is found in most religions around the world, and absolutely in all western religions. thats part of belonging to a religion. if you believe so strongly in your religion, than humoring another religion kind of defeats your entire argument, which is built on blind faith.

hey look we can all get together and say that we should all follow religion and just stop saying that we are the correct ones but then people will start wondering if what they blindly believe is actually correct... if we all start saying that we dont have proof that our religions are correct than we are going against the "law" written that says that we are. so we move toward these luke warm religious views that basically knit picks what parts of our "law" we wish to indulge and which we choose to believe are not right for us. what that seems to move towards, to me, is the belief that actual faith itself is not important, but the morals we learn and the communities we form. thats just my opinion... and in that case i personally think its time we actually have a conversation about the idea that religion is made up by people, and that it made sense for people when they couldnt explain the world through science, but now they can, and the need for religion is growing smaller and smaller. currently we cant have this discussion because the voices of "atheists" like myself (and i dislike labeling myself as such but its the best way to prove my point) are viewed as soulless evil people who should be feared. nothing could be further from the truth. i think if we actually discussed our fears, hopes, and dreams rationally we could accomplish more than if we blindly scream into the night that we know all of the answers to everything.

anyways... im not sure why i wrote such a long post... but theres probably something in all of that drivel that i am happy i wrote down.

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There's a headline on NYT that says Ted Stevens was given a heros welcome when he returned to Alaska today. I'm sorry, but those people who turned out for that rally are nuts.

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saywhat90:

well it s what i call mayor marion barry effect. people will vote for a person because he represents who they think they are even if this man is proven to be a crook as long as he denies that he is a crook.

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saywhat90

I hear ya, but it's what I call crazy. :)

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Lechuguilla:

There are a lot of Obama supporters, and I'm one of them, who are not prepared to be "conciliatory" toward Republican Conservatives ... not after the last eight years.

Maybe if the Bush/Cheney/Rove crime syndicate and their media sponsors were to be handled in an appropriately judicious way, and the Republican Party were to be effectively abolished, and a span of, oh say, ten to fifteen years were to elapse, then maybe we could begin to prepare to plan for some degree of moderate reconciliation at some point in the future.

But any effort now on the part of Conservatives merely to "say" let's reconcile (talk is cheap) strikes me as gratuitous, tawdry, two-faced, and very, very insincere.

I, for one, am not that gullible.

Lech :)

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The Dude:

Interesting article that references an admitted racist voting for Obama. WOW!

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/politics/story/70FF66A981B9EA40862574F200109EE9?OpenDocument

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Basil:

Ryguy

My undergrad degree (believe it or not) is in comparative religion, particularly East Asian Buddhism and associated Chinese and Japanese religions. You don't get the ethnocentric "chosen people" line in Buddhist sects, though you find it in more "primitive" folk-religions of the region.

Agnosticism seems a perfectly reasonable approach to religion, as long as it's open-minded. Atheism sometimes seems like a reaction to the perceived abuses or excesses of western religions, as you call them, and an out-of-hand denial (often couched in scientific language) of what is taken to be religion in general.

As such, atheism would seem to reflect a degree of certainty that is the mirror image of the certainty expressed by true believers of western religions. Where does the certainty come from?

I'm totally comfortable with what may seem to you like a lukewarm religiosity based on a non-theological belief in the Buddhist doctrine of universal mind, but I'm not willing to kill anybody over it. That's because there's no ultimately real distinction between self and other, only a provisional, illusory one.

I also appreciate and have trained in Aikido, which means I wouldn't hesitate to defend myself or others. But if you merely disagree with me, good for you! Changing people's minds about articles of faith? What's the point?

But hey, I live in Oregon. We're all nuts here. That's why we vote by mail.

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Basil:

The Dude

The Big Lebowski is one of my all time faves.

I just want my rug back, man.

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thoughtful:

Good morning

Just a few more days to go and another unhappy morning for John McCain.

Bereft of any semblance of credibility, there is something of a cross between Joe McCarthy and the KKK in the air. Its not just Sarah Palin either, but hearing John McCain, yes John McCain, asking for a public viewing on the private Kalidi farewell dinner video when he refuses to release his own Psychological and Assessment Records from the Navy, shows you that McCain demonstrates how unfit to lead.

I personally have never liked or admired John McCain so yes I hope he and his party are washed away by Obama's and the Democratic Party's victory next Tuesday.

390+EVs

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decided:

Zogby:
+7 for Obama

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Basil:

Hi t

Night shift for me, but g'mornin'

Just noticed McCain on Larry King saying that "99 and 44/100ths percent" of the people will make their decisions not for reasons of race but for "the best of reasons." Let's hope so, though it sounds a little extreme, statistically.

Funny to use the archetypally pure whiter than white Ivory Soap ad as the basis for describing how racist the public isn't. "Ivory soap is 99 and 44/100ths percent pure." So that's how Americans are, like

Maybe it"s a little like the "He's not an Arab, he's good" reply McCain gave to the addled woman's question. "They're not racists,they're as pure (white) as Ivory Soap" would be the inference. Or more colloquially, "white as [Ivory] snow"

I'm not saying there's anything much to it, just the oddity of the Ivory ad reference at that moment.

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Basil:

sorry,

should be "like white soap"?

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saywhat90:

i just heard joe scarborough say that the race is tightening in pensylvania.

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saywhat90:

oops pennsylvania

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Rames1980:

This is going to be a revolution.. republicans will be thrown out like French aristocrats in 1789 (without the guillotine, of course).

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OGLiberal:

And Scarborough is basing that analysis on what? The numerous recent polls in that state showing Obama ahead by double digits and polling at an average of about 52-53? The CNN/TIME poll just released showing Obama ahead, 55-43? The Rasmussen poll that showed Obama ahead by 7 but with 53%?

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maddiekat:

Joe knows this how?

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ricbrig:

If you read the Politico article on Palin pointed as a scapegoat, highlighted on pollster's home page, you have the idea about how inside McCain camp they are all excited about the surge

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saywhat90:

i dont know he hasnt said where hes getting this info but i m willing to be he using rasmussen. he also said the race is tightening in florida which is a little more believable.

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Windependent:

I'm dying to see whether the drop of Sunday has any impact on Rasmussen's poll. I can't imagine it will be a dramatic drop, as his poll has trended down rather than up as the week has stretched onward. But Zogby's poll gives hope. I haven't seen this Zogby quote posted here:

"Worse news for McCain today is that Obama hit 50% in the single day of polling, while he dropped back to the low 40s."

See: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1620

Stay classy, Obama supporters.

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Napoleon Complex:

@ricbrig:

Do you think McCain will be calling her the C-word on Tuesday night? :-D

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15073.html

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maddiekat:

It must be from McLiars pollster. It is amazing anyone would believe anything that camp says.

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ricbrig:

Anyway, my gut feeling is that today also will be a not so great day for national polls. However, please check the numbers for NC a Georgia early voting:
http://elections.gmu.edu/early_vote_2008.html

I'm very cautious on the interpretation of these numbers but it's a surge (of voters, but if boom's feels better ..McCain surge!!)

@Napoleon Complex: The C-word is already out. Come on you keep repeating 'Country First' and then you VP says basically 'I'm doing this for my future career?' Hairstyle first!

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saywhat90:

joe scarborough says there is a new pol coming out showing pa tightening but he wont say what poll.

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maddiekat:
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saywhat90:

must be the nbc/wsj poll or something

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ricbrig:

Well maddie, reading about the white men support to McCain makes me feel a bit sick, however..good news :)

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saywhat90:

so has anybody heard anything about this mysterious poll of pa

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Windependent:

Every single PA poll released since 10-29 shows Obama up 12-14%.

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saywhat90:

he says its new and out today

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maddiekat:

Actually I think it is going to be a good day of National Polling for Obama because McCain is dropping Sunday which might have been his best day of polling all year.

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Windependent:

Not published anywhere. I'm in Pittsbuegh, and all you hear locally this morning is that Obama's up by a huge margin.

My guess is we'll see a poll put Obama at 7-9%, which really wouldn't be a "tightening" considering the averages.

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Windependent:

Who is this "Scarborough" guy anyway? Righty? Lefty? Indie? I've never heard of him, unless he's that guy who was in Congress a decade or so ago.

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sunnymi:

TIME/CNN Polls

Pennsylvania
Obama 55
McCain 43

North Carolina
Obama 52
McCain 46

Nevada
Obama 52
McCain 45

Ohio
Obama 51
McCain 47

Arizona
McCain 53
Obama 46

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ricbrig:

There is a nice piece on Huffington Post about the value of the infomercial:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leah-mcelrath-renna/five-reasons-why-the-obam_b_139102.html

I agree it was perfectly targeted, it won't move much probably but it makes a perfect point to a certain type of soft McCain supporters.

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saywhat90:

joe scarborough of morning joe on msnbc.he says this poll will be within the close to the margin of error.although it is only one poll so im not worried. just wondering what the heck is talking about.

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saywhat90:

joe scarborough of morning joe on msnbc.he says this poll will be within the close to the margin of error.although it is only one poll so im not worried. just wondering what the heck is talking about

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thoughtful:

One poll doesn't mean anything.

It's the averages as I keep on being told!

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saywhat90:

but it does make me wonder if obama is really winning this election as much as the maps show.

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saywhat90:

but it does make me wonder if obama is really winning this election as much as the maps show.

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saywhat90:

but it does make me wonder if obama is really winning this election

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carl29:

Can we put Zogby on the "bad" kid list? :-)

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Pazienza:

Mason Dixon Pa (per Chuck Todd on NBC Today Show)

Obama 48

McCain 44

Undecided 6

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carl29:

Pazienza,

Mason-Dixon is one in many, many polls out of PA, can we accept that if this is true those numbers will be confirm? I mean, "uncle" Rasmussen will be happy to poll PA again :-)

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bmrKY:

@hou04 & Mark

I apologize to the teacher and those students. I didn't know kids were reading this site. I'll just have to do a better job of ignoring boom and the rest of the trolls. It was never my intention to offend anyone (other than boom). I'll keep my posts clean from now on. I knew better than to say some of the stuff I did, but I just let the trolls get to me. That's no excuse, and I promise to behave more properly in the future. I really feel like a jerk for offending those students with some of the language that was in my posts. I'll now just focus my comments soley on the polls, and leave the personal stuff out of it.

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ricbrig:

I bet the campaign is taking this poll (as many others) seriously. In PA it is really important to know the geography of the poll. It might have accessed more rural areas, which is good imho.

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AJ:

I'll take those nimbers from Mason Dixon as they have a significant slant toward McCain. This is the pollster that had Virginia O+2 and Florida M+1 week ago, when average was about 5-7 points the other way. Either they know something that noone else knows, or they are just plain wrong. Just by the fact that they are consistently significantly skewed to one side leads me to beleive that their model is off.

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johncoz:

@thoughtful:
"It's the averages as I keep on being told!"

Indeed it is. It also stops heart palpitations with each individual poll result, particularly when there are 30 or more coming out per day.

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Windependent:

Well, then Obama has doubled his lead since the last Mason Dixon poll (2%, 9/22). The CNN poll today has Obama at +12. So we have an average of +8 for 10/30 so far. Not surprising.

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MisterMagoo:

Last Time Mason Dixon polled PA (mid september), they had Obama up by 2...Now, it's Obama up by 4. He doubled his lead, impressive (ironically speaking, of course)

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sunnymi:

Mason Dixon has a 3-4 point Republican tilt this cycle....They were one of the last ones to show McCain ahead in VA too.

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ctj:

If Obama wins Philadelphia by more than 500,000 votes there is no way McCain can win PA, however as I posted yesterday Steve Schmidt and Rick Davis have a plan for Philadelphia to secede to New Jersey by Tuesday.

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johncoz:

@Windependent

The current 538 margin projection by for PA is 8.8%, with a win probability of 99%.

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boomshak:

ZOGBY POLL: Obama +7

Well, once again Zogby goes off the reservation. Face it, Zogby is trying to "remake" his reputation. No one really considers him viable anymore. I am suprised Reuters hired him.

Anyway, he likes to "get ahead" of things. He knew Obama had his infommercial last night and expects him to get a bump, so Zogby wants to be the first with the bump.

Maybe he's right and this thing is over (God help us), but I think he is wrong. Let's see what ole-Rassie has to say this morning. Bill O'Reilly teased last night that Rassie's numbers would be VERY good for McCain today.

We'll see.

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carl29:

Poll: Obama Holds Big Lead In Minnesota

Obama 56 McCain 37

ST. PAUL (AP) ― A new poll finds Democrat Barack Obama maintaining a commanding lead over Republican John McCain in Minnesota, with just days to go until the election.

The Minnesota Public Radio News/University of Minnesota Humphrey Institute poll finds Obama with a 19 percentage point lead over McCain in Minnesota.

Fifty-six percent of those surveyed said they're voting for Obama, while 37 percent said they're supporting McCain. Six percent are undecided

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bmrKY:

Mason Dixon tends to be one of the more favorable pollsters to McCain (not spin, it's just an observation, as sunny said look at their VA polls compared to every other pollster), so that result isn't too shocking. FWIW, the last Mason-Dixon poll only showed Obama up by two, in mid-September. We have multiple other polls this week showing Obama with a double digit lead in PA, and getting well over 50% of the vote (the CNN poll, for instance, showed Obama at 55% this morning). For right now, I will put it in "outlier" territory until there are other polls out before Tuesday confirming that it is getting tighter there. I don't think Obama wins PA by double digits, but I do believe he will carry it by high single digits. He's polling well above where Kerry was in PA this time four years ago.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/pa_polls.html

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carl29:

Can we put Zogby on the "bad" kid list?

Of course!!!! I hope dear "uncle" Ras save the day and decide being on the "good" kid list :-)

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