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US: Obama 52, McCain 44 (Gallup-10/12-14)

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Gallup Poll
10/12-14/08
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews

National

Registered Voters (2,785 RV, 2%):
Obama 50, McCain 43

**Likely Voters-Expanded** (2,319 LV, 2%):
Obama 52, McCain 44

Likely Voters-Traditional (2,160 LV, 2%):
Obama 49, McCain 46

 

Comments
JoelR:

Oh no, McCain is surging! Statistical tie by Nov 15!

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BOOMFAIL:

@JoelR
LMAO!

I'm most interested in how the polls will look next week, but don't expect anything other than the same or larger lead for Obama then. His poll numbers always go up after the debates.

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OGLiberal:

Obama always underperforms in Gallup in their Tues-Thurs numbers. Not sure why but it's been pretty consistent. Wednesday is usually his worst day.

I expect a definite tightening at the national level - no way Obama is up by double digits or even high single digits. As an Obama supporters, the numbers that really make me feel good are the growing number of states in which he is polling at 50 or better. And these include toss-up states like Colorado, Virginia, and Florida.

I also like the stability in the Rasmussen numbers. We're now at 20+ days in Rasmussen daily polling where Obama has stood between 50-52 and McCain has stood at 44-45.

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Bjorn Tipling:

@ JoelR election day is Nov 4th. Maybe that was part of the joke. :o

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boomshak:

Likely Voters-Traditional (2,160 LV, 2%):
Obama 49, McCain 46

Wow. I have to admit, even I find this somewhat surprising. To go from +6 to +3 in one day in tracking poll? Did McCain actually poll TIED or AHEAD of Obama amongst likely voters last night?

THE AMUSING PART:
Gallup really seems to want to appear right this year. He is giving us 3 numbers RV's, LV(old), LV's(new). He is really covering the waterfront. No matter what happens he can say he was right, lol.

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Nhoj:

obama seems to lead in all even with margin of error.

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Timdicator:

I predict that one of the candidates will win by in between 0.1% and 10%

I can be Gallup?

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JoelR:

@Bjorn

Yep, part of the joke!

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Observer:

The Obama lead on the 7 trackers out today give:

IBD..................+3 (O +1)
Gallop Trad ....+3 (M +3)
Zogby..............+4 (M +2)
Ras...................+5 (n/c)
Hotline.............+8 (O +2)
Batt..................+8 (M +5)
Kos..................+11 (n/c)

A small overall improvement for McCain. He certainly seems to have had a good day yesterday on Gallop. GWU/Battleground continue to be all over the place. Overall 3 - 8 with one outlier? Average lead now say 5%? The good days for McCain in Gallop, Battleground and Zogby will stay in the figures over the next couple of days so maybe as a McCain supporter I can hope for a further tightening by the end of the week.

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bpd1069:

@boomshak

You are truly sad. I pity you.

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carl29:

"RNC out of Wisconsin, Maine; focuses on red states"

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican National Committee is halting presidential ads in Wisconsin and Maine, turning its attention primarily to usually Republican states where GOP nominee John McCain shows signs of faltering.

The party's independent ad operation is doubling its budget to about $10 million and focusing on crucial states such as Colorado, Missouri, Indiana and Virginia where Democrat Barack Obama has established a foothold, according a Republican strategist familiar with presidential ad placements.

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s.b.:

Not only does the gallup polling method that's been used quite accurately for 50 years have Obama up by only 3%, the Rasmussen internals show that without leaners, Obama is only up by 2%, a siginficant softening of Obama's vote over the past week. McCain also made serious gains suggesting a very good night last night in Zogby and Battleground polls. Could be just a one day blip, but we will see.

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boomshak:

@bpd1069:
@boomshak

You are truly sad. I pity you.

Why? I'm rich, good looking and chicks dig me.

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Pat:

@boomshak,

You are kind of silly to push the narrative that the polls are tighter today. It actually hurts McCain. Here is why:

The worst thing for MsCain would be if these polls show a tighter race today and widening gap after the debate. Particularly Gallup which is often quoted by the MSM. McCain will lose the after-debate spin game.

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s.b.:

Yeah and Gallup needs a kick in the backside, why don't they come up with a few other samping methods with some more wildly different results. They should stick with their 50 year model used in every other election after the first debate. I have lost a lot of respect for the organisation. It's total garbage to put out three sets of numbers.

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Pazienza:

Call it cherry picking, but something is happening. Three of the most respected daily tracking polls are showing very interesting data today:

Zogby: Obama 48.2 McCain 44.4

Gallup Traditional: Obama 49 McCain 46

Rasmussen: Obama 50 McCain 45

Rasmussen (definite) Obama 42 McCain 40

For McCain, the encouraging news comes from core supporters—those who are certain how they will vote and that they will not change their mind. Just 42% are certain they will vote for Obama while 40% say the same about McCain. That two-point gap is much closer than the overall numbers. It’s also much closer than the 45% to 38% advantage among core supporters enjoyed by Obama heading into the second Presidential Debate last week.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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carl29:

This is the comparison analysis:

Using just Ras', Gallup, Zogby

TODAY:

Rasmussen Obama 50 McCain 45
Zogby Obama 48 McCain 44
Gallup* Obama 50 McCain 43

Average: Obama 49.3 McCain 44

LAST WEEK: Wednesday 10/08

Rasmussen Obama 51 McCain 45
Zogby Obama 47.1 McCain 45.2
Gallup* Obama 50 McCain 43

Average: Obama 49.3 McCain 44.4

Here we have the weekly update, my friends :-)
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The Five "serious" tracking polls:

Today, 10/15

Rasmussen Obama 50 McCain 45 Obama +5
Zogby Obama 48 McCain 44
Hotline Obama 49 McCain 41
Battleground Obama 51 McCain 43
Gallup* Obama 50 McCain 43


Average: Obama 49.6 McCain 43.2

A WEEK AGO:

Wednesday 10/08

Rasmussen Obama 51 McCain 45
Zogby Obama 47.1 McCain 45.2
Hotline Obama 45 McCain 44
Battleground Obama 49 McCain 45
Gallup* Obama 52 McCain 41

Average: Obama 48.8 McCain 44

*REGISTERED VOTERS because a week ago Gallup did NOT have Likely voters.

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zen:


it's good that tonight there is debate....
whenever the race is little bit tightening, there is debate, and the gap is widening again...
So good timing!

That's why Obama bought 30 minutes prime time in major networks on 29th of NOV.
whenever people see him with their own eyes, they forget Maccain's negative attack on Obama and revive their trust in him.

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RussTC3:

Focus on the polls folks.

They are what's important.

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Pacific moderate:

boomshak: I'm rich, good looking and chicks dig me.

Can't vouch for the first two, but as for the third, well, let's just say that you sound like someone who hasn't seen a breast since he was two years old...

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NW Patrick:

Im still waiting for someone on the right to show me McCain's ELECTORAL path? How can he win? Show me, with facts, and #'s, polls, you know... this is pollster.com

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DecaturMark:

VA just went light blue

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NW Patrick:

So McCain polls within 3 with ZERO new voters in an average election year! LOL WOOP! WOOP!

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boomshak:

The point is, Obama should be running away with it, but it seems he is fading to the finish, just like in the primaries.

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carl29:

Pazienza,

First, be careful with Ras' extra-analysis because he is a REPUBLICAN. My advise will be to pay attention to the cold numbers. Second, I would suggest to you to pay attention to the trend for a period of time rather than day-by-day. If you want, as I do, you can make a "comparison analysis" by week, but I think it could work in a 3-day period.

Do you want to see Rasmussen's numbers in 2000:

Rasmussen 11/4-11/6 Bush 48.9 Gore 39.8 :-)

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slegend:

You have to look at the state by state polls to determine the race over the next two weeks. McCain would have to win all the Bush states and that is not going to happen. McCain will not win Iowa, New Mexico, or Colorado. That means the next President would be Obama.

The tracking polls will tighten to near dead heat by election, within the margin of error. In the end, the electoral map shows Obama almost a 100% chance of victory.

I do enjoy the back and forth debate, and I hope both Dems and Reps keep the comments flowing over the next two weeks.

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carl29:

boomshak,

Gallup and Rasmussen have shown Obama constantly at the 50% watermark. When was the las time McCain was there and for how long? Please :-)

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alankeyesisawesome:

What great numbers with the traditional poll...America is finally realizing the effect that Obama's negative attacks on McCain and Palin + her family is having and Obama's numbers are in a freefall. Not to mention Americans don't approve of Obama's support of gay marriage, which has been a hot-button topic in this election cycle.

McCain has been prepping hard for the debate tonight, and you can expect to see all polls tied by Sunday.

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NorseSoccer:

@boomshak

And yes, Obama still won. Hmmm.

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maddiekat:

Oh Joy another troll has joined us..

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raisethewhiteflag:

everyone is talking about bill ayers , watch mccain get b*tch slapped in return with the keating 5 tonight.Obama already has shown he is not afraid to get into the keating 5 as shown on his website!

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orange24:

Keep touting those cherry-picked national polls. Pay no attention to that pesky Electoral Map. As long as you can get within 2 or three points in the popular vote, you win, right. Like slegend said, McCain has no shot at any of the Kerry states. Now add Iowa and New Mexico, and Obama starts from 264. Now, the battleground states become NV, CO, MO, FL, NC, VA, WV, OH, ND, MT, and GA. All Obama has to do is win ONE state - ONE STATE - and it's over. But you keep hanging on those cherry-picked polls that make you look good. It's all you have left.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@maddiekat

Typical double standard...Why is it when liberals post their opinion it is an analysis, and when conservatives have an intelligent post, it's called trolling.

Anyway, it's been scientifically proven that conservatives have higher IQs than liberals...however, a scientific study is sort of redundant because any layman should be able to tell you this.

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boomshak:

I personally think Obama's "Let's spread the wealth around" comment was toxic. If McCain is smart, he will bring that up.

He should say, "If you want to know what 4 years under Obama will be like, just ask plumber ____ ________. When he was concerned about Obama raising his taxes, Obama said 'when we spread the wealth around, everyone benefits'".

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alankeyesisawesome:

@orange24

Not true, McCain has a real shot at taking all of those states after he exposes Obama's links to Ayers and ACORN tonight. I smell victory for McCain.

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raisethewhiteflag:

alankeyesisawesome:
@orange24

Not true, McCain has a real shot at taking all of those states after he exposes Obama's links to Ayers and ACORN tonight. I smell victory for McCain.


KEATING 5 BITCHSLAP TONIGHT HAHAHHA , HAVE FUN WATCHING!

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boomshak:

@maddiekat:

No, actually this is now a conservative blog. You are the troll, troll.

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Vin4Obama:

@BoomNUT_CASE
@Alankeyesisawesome
You guys, just so you know, the voting is going on..
Thought you should know that Obama is ahead by 24% *average* in NM, OH, IA, NC..
And about 12-14% voters have already voted ..

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

Yeah, but McCain will get 100% of the vote in NC, OH, VA, FL
He needs to win ALL of the 11 battleground states.. ALL..

I get it. I do get the picture..

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Incumbent:

alankeyes is actually a very funny satirist of Republican nonsense...just sit back and have a laugh

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RussTC3:

A Look at Rasmussen 2004 vs. 2008.

Average of 3-day tracking polls over a one week period:

October 9-15 (October 7-13)
Obama 50.4 (47.6)
McCain 45.0 (49.6)
Obama +5.4 vs. Bush +2.0

Final 2004 election result was Bush +2.4%. Obama is out performing Kerry by 2.8 points, while McCain is under performing Bush by 4.6 points.

There are more people voting for 3rd parties and undecided this year than in 2004 (4.6% vs. 2.8%).

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raisethewhiteflag:

boomshak:
I personally think Obama's "Let's spread the wealth around" comment was toxic. If McCain is smart, he will bring that up.

He should say, "If you want to know what 4 years under Obama will be like, just ask plumber ____ ________. When he was concerned about Obama raising his taxes, Obama said 'when we spread the wealth around, everyone benefits'".
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PEOPLE MAKING 40K A YR WHICH IS MOST OF AMERICA LOVE THAT COMMENT!

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boomshak:

@Vin4Obama:

@BoomNUT_CASE
@Alankeyesisawesome
You guys, just so you know, the voting is going on..
Thought you should know that Obama is ahead by 24% *average* in NM, OH, IA, NC..
And about 12-14% voters have already voted ..

That is based upon LAME EXIT POLLING (incredibly innacurate) by SurveyUSA no less.

Utterly worthless data. fail. Next.

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mirrorball:

"Why is it when liberals post their opinion it is an analysis, and when conservatives have an intelligent post, it's called trolling."

Well, let me ask you this:

1. Can you tell me how and when Obama attacked Palin's family in the past few days, which would theoretically cause a change in polling numbers.

2. Can you show me polling data from the past few days -- not just today -- that shows Obama's numbers are "freefalling" from the 50-53pc range that he seems to be enjoying in most polls.

3. Gay marriage is a hot button issue in this election? Do tell. Last time I checked, the economy was listed as the most important issue by about half of all voters. Social/"family values" issues barely register. This is consistent across most every poll.

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makersmark:

statistically republicans ARE less educated so I guess it makes sense to call their "analysis" trolling...

just going by the numbers!


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wakeup:

I hope McCain brings up Joe Wurzelbacher. The Keating five thing is too complicated to bring up properly. Regarding Ayers it comes down to educational theories.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@raisethewhiteflag

No one cares about the Keating 5, that was so long ago...Barack Obama is still best friends forever with Bill Ayers today, ANNNDDDD he is still involved with Acorn today.

Why do Democrats keep looking into the past, instead of looking into the future for solutions, as we Republicans do.

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boomshak:

THE OBAMA CREED:

Vote Early. Vote Often.

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Lucky Luke:

I seriously think that Boomshak is not older than 20. This will probably be his first election. That would explain the enthusiasm, the mood changes, and the time he devotes to reading polls and posting in this site.

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carl29:

boomshak,

Yes We Can, Boomy :-)!!!!!

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raisethewhiteflag:

wakeup:
I hope McCain brings up Joe Wurzelbacher. The Keating five thing is too complicated to bring up properly. Regarding Ayers it comes down to educational theories.


A quick reference of "remember the keating 5 john?" you people can check out john and the keating 5 on my website if you wanna find out about johns shady past. no need to get into it, just a jab to throw mccain off his game and since he cant stand looking bad , its a gooD idea to toss it in if oppurtunity presents itself...

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alankeyesisawesome:

@makersmark

Most people with college degrees vote Republican...it is only with Postgraduate degrees that you see them voting Democrat as a majority, but that is just because of being in the liberal academic system for too long corrupts their rationality.

That is not to say that everyone holding a postgraduate degree is a Democrat, I have friends who went to BYU and Pepperdine grad schools and they are fervent Republicans.

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wakeup:

AP report on Obama donations showing up on people's credit card statements.

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JFactor:

Polls are tightening my ass. Every time few polls show a meaningless move towards McCain people get frantic about it. Obama is hitting 50% mark regularly now when McCain can't break the 45% ceiling in any of them. That's the trend. Previous debates have helped Obama so it's more likely that Obama will benefit more from this debate too than McCain.
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http://www.internationalpoliticstoday.com

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alankeyesisawesome:

@JFactor

Well excuse me for belonging to the party of hope.

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raisethewhiteflag:

JFactor:
Polls are tightening my ass. Every time few polls show a meaningless move towards McCain people get frantic about it. Obama is hitting 50% mark regularly now when McCain can't break the 45% ceiling in any of them. That's the trend. Previous debates have helped Obama so it's more likely that Obama will benefit more from this debate too than McCain.


EXACTLY , when the next gallup is 51-41, boomcrack will skip the thread as usual!

so funny to watch these clowns gasping for air!

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KipTin:

Quit the BS about Obama underperforming in Gallup polls on certain days. That has been debunked by actual data.

For example--
Wednesday October 8: Obama 52/McCain 41

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Gallup stated that McCain had good polling last night (Tuesday). May be because of his economic proposal which of those paying attention find to be very favorable.

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RussTC3:

Heh, voters think McCain will raise their taxes.

From the CBS News/New York Times poll:
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/cbsnyt_poll.php

Which candidate will raise your taxes? Respondents, by 51% to 46%, say it's McCain.
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KipTin:

Statistics show that previous debates did NOT help Obama. The last debate was inconsequential because Obama was already benefiting from the economic crisis.

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wakeup:

raisethewhiteflag,
a 13 minute video... clear and concise. By the way I think Obama was using cocaine back during the Keating 5 scandal.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@RussTC3

All taxes will be raised under Obama...he is lying to us when he says he will only raise them for the top wage earners...not surprising since he is a demoncrat.

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boomshak:

NOW JUST HOLD ON THERE PARTNER!

FiveThirtyEight has announced that Obama is ahead by 35% in NC with 5% of the vote in.

One small problem.

Early voting in NC doesn't begin until October 16th, 2008! That is, tomorrow. Bullsh*t alert!

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d3nnisbest:

alankeyesisawesome:
"Most people with college degrees vote Republican..."

It's a polling site. You can't jus make sh*t up.

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paradski:

oct 6-12 BO 51 JM 41
sept 29-oct 5 BO 49 JM 43
sept 22-28 BO 48 JM 44

Nice solid movement to OB.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@boomshak

Can we convict Obama now for voter fraud, or do we need to wait until after the election. He outta be tarred and feathered.

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wakeup:

RussTC3,
Not Joe Wurzelbacher.

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carl29:

Guys, don't worry on Friday we'll find out if McCain is indee surging or this is just statistical noise. Remember that on Sunday, this past Sunday, we had the exact same numbers that we're getting today from Gallup, Obama 50% McCain 43%. The numbers changed on Monday, will they change tomorrow? Don't know, but we'll find out kids :-)

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drinkwine247:

@
BoomSpank
and
ALANKEYESISAMORON

What f-ing planet do you live on where the diarrhea that spews from your mouths represents reality?

EVERY MOTHER F*&KING POLL SHOWS OBAMA UP!!!
Guess what else assholes......you guessed it, elections are state by state. Why do you think Obama is at 81% on intrade? Oh wait acorn, ayes, wright, forgetting that McLame's transition team head LOBBIED FOR SADAM HUSSEIN, AND THE TWO OTHER LOBBIESTS WENT TO JAIL FOR IT!!!!! MCCAIN PALS AROUND WITH TERRORISTS AND PEOPLE WHO COMMIT TREASON, WHERE IS THE MSM ON THAT ONE?????

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wakeup:

US District Court orders a closer look at Ohio early-voting. How many of those 13,000 are frauds?

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raisethewhiteflag:

@alankeyesisawesome:

enjoy , till the next gallup when its 51-41 lol!

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Observer:

McCain's path to victory? Well:

1. A few things have to change, including the polls. I don't deny that with things as they are now Obama is going to win. But they might change.

2. National polling is about a 5% gap for LV now. Yesterday was better than that in a few polls, and that was the day after the big rise on Wall Street. Coincidence? who knows.

3. Was the bad economy news a bump for Obama? Will it now subside? Maybe, maybe not.

4. State polls at the moment are worse for McCain than the nationals but they are lagging indicators. If there is any sort of a move to McCain this week then the state polls next week might be a little better for him.

5. Yes, if McCain gets within 2/3% in the final pre-election polls it might be enough. A big part of the Obama support (e.g. AA voters) is already in the decided column. McCain might take most of the undecideds like Clinton did in a lot of Primaries.

6. I don't think McCain is out of range in any Bush states except Iowa. If he improves nationally he will again be competitive in New Hampshire. Bush lost New Hampshire in 2004 but only just. It was a lot closer than the pre-election polls said.

Will it happen? We shall have to wait and see. A good debate tonight will help.

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orange24:

He outta be tarred and feathered.

Nice... It never takes long for the Republicans to get back to race.

And just what exactly are we convicting Obama of? How about we convict the Repulican party of stealing the 2000 election (greatest voter fraud in the history of mankind), squanding billions of dollars of budget surplus on the wealthiest Americans, and oh yeah, NATIONALIZING THE F*N BANKS

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wakeup:

Obama is up because the economy is down. A socialist revolution cannot work in good times. Bad news for the country is good news for Obama.

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Thatcher:

@boomshak -

Yes, NC early voting doesn't start until October 16 ... however absentee ballots have been mailed and those are coming in ...

I know - I am one of the people doing the tracking of the absentee ballots.

As of yesterday - 47,075 people have voted in NC by absentee ballot.

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carl29:

Judging for all the desperation from coming from McCain supporters, it doesn't look that they are as optimistic they say. Guys, you should be all hapiness. Your guy is "surging" :-)

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raisethewhiteflag:

@drinkwine247:

dont get excited, thier typical rebels.
they do not know when to give up like thier beloved general lee who sent his army into certain death in gettysburg when they had no chance at victory!

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Pat:

On CNN today: many republicans have recently turned on McCain for the Palin pick and are blaming her for McCain’s problems.

I have a theory about Palin pick. She was picked as an "escapegoat" for the GOP to blame their significant loss on her.

I am a career woman and know that in corporations often unqualified women are picked for high positions right before the company or a given department tanks in order to bear the blame for others (the good old boy club).

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carl29:

boomshak,

I can tell you for my state Florida. Absentee ballots arrived to people's mail-boxes last week(or the previous). The PHISICAL early-voting starts on Oct.20.

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mysticlaker:

@ Boom,
you said:
Why? I'm rich, good looking and chicks dig me.

Two days ago: You said you have cancer. Do you have cancer or not? What is the truth? Above you say you live a perfect life, but you also said you have cancer? If you do have cancer I do feel bad, but if you are using it as a decoy, you are a sad sad person.

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drinkwine247:

@raisethewhiteflag

I hope McLame brings up Ayers, I really do. I want Obama to answer it in 10 seconds and turn it around and slam it over McLames head with all the implications of Having Timmons head his transition team (a job he will not actually have to do) but you get the idea!!
Psyched to see the Rope-A-Dope one last time!

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raisethewhiteflag:

obama lucked out again today,
the dow is wayyyy down which will favor obama bigtime again tonight.
Whatever mccain throws at him , it will always turn to the economy tonight!

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KipTin:

BS on your theory ...Pat. One major reason is that you expressed a default assumption that all men are "qualified" by your statement about "unqualified" women.

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Lucky Luke:

"a socialist revolution" come on! Don't we have intelligent Republicans out there??? There is some very fine people in the GOP is just not that they're not here

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RussTC3:

The debates didn't necessarily move the numbers much, they just solidified Obama's soft support.

McCain meanwhile needed to push those soft supporters over to his side and he failed miserably.

Voters are now comfortable with Obama and are willing to vote for him. They see McCain as the risky choice and find Obama to be the safe choice.

On a separate point, CNN just announced that Virginia has moved from Toss Up to Lean Obama.

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thoughtful:

I have it at +14% Obama settling to about + 8% 52-44 on Election Day and 395 EVs.

McCain at 72 inspires no confidence in about 50% of RVs.

From the early voting there is overwhelming enthusiasm for Obama particularly in red states that for the first time in years are competitive.

McCain has made too many mistakes to list but major blunders include Sarah Palin; pronouncements that the Economy was strong; Suspending his campaign and over playing the negatives beyond credibility.

Obama appears to be cool, calm, calculating, considered, confident, intelligent and Presidential - a man for a crisis.

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carl29:

Thatcher,

Do you feel that absentee ballot is safe? :-)

I don't know I always have this "funny" feeling about it. Maybe because here in Miami Dade County, Fl. politicians "win" with those absentee ballots. You know, the winner is X at the ballot box, but the absentee ballots put candidate Y on top. The candidate "benefited" from those ballots is always a Republican/Cuban. I just don't believe they count the democratic absentee ballots.

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RussTC3:

Moving Virginia to Lean Obama, by the way, pushes him over the top (277 electoral votes).

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mirrorball:

calm down, Boomshak. Fivethirtyeight was citing Survey USA's numbers, which are based on responses they got during recent polling. It is not, they acknowledge, based on actual vote counts. So it's not "5% of the vote in," it's, 5% of respondents said they had voted early/absentee.

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Observer:

Pat

I think that if McCain had picked anybody else but Palin he would not even have the outside chance he now has.

All other VP possibilities have a whole menu of issues that the Democrats would have attacked. None of them would have had a chance of attracting Puma support or have energised the Rep base.

Some of them (mormon, pro-life, yet another long term Washington Senator) might even have boosted the stay home Republicans who were in evidence not so long ago.

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Thatcher:

@carl29 -

I trust absentee more than at the poll. Now with computer "ATM" voting (many with no paper trail per ballot) - I don't trust them at all. I didn't trust the old "lever" machines, either.

I like Iowa - it's the S.A.T. style of fill in the bubble of your candidate ... paper trail for hand counting - but initial counts are done by machine.

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Pat:

@KipTin:

You missed the point. My comment is not about men being qualified and women being un-qualified.

There were many qualified GOP women that could have been picked but it would be difficult to blame a qualified woman for a massive GOP loss.

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wakeup:

Pat,
Don't believe that CNN noise, of all cable news ch's they have been the harshest on Palin. I was a CNN watcher until they knee-jerked on that story... pathetic.

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OGLiberal:

@Observer

In addition to Iowa, I'd put New Mexico out of reach for McCain. Check out Rasmussen's poll from NM due to be released later today. Don't think it's going to be good for McCain. And recent NH polls aren't looking good for McCain.

@s.b.

Rasmussen's internals today show Obama up 48-43 w/out leaners, same +5 gap as w/leaners. Each guy gets +2 when leaners are pressed. This has pretty much been the case for the last several days - the w/leaners and w/o leaners gaps have been essentially the same.

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carl29:

Thatcher,

Good to know that you feel comfortable with the absentee ballot. Luckily, we, here in Florida, are getting paper trial this time around. I know that I will be left wandering if my vote will count, though :-)!! I hope it does.

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maddiekat:

boobshak, kipnip, and all the other morons who cherry pick polls, why don't you put your money where your mouths are and go to Intrade. Currently McLiar is at 15.6 so the buying should be good. Also I looked it up and in 2004 Gallups error in the election was 2.5% and CBS, yes CBS only had an error of 0.5%.

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sunnymi:


For the first time McCain is trading at lower numbers on INTRADE than on IEM

http://www.intrade.com/

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/quotes/Pres08_Quotes.html

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Pat:

@Observer,

I can see your point about other things but Palin never had a chance with PUMA. Here is why:

- She is too good looking and too in-experienced for PUMA. They like qualified women. They hate barbies.

- Palin's hunting background apeals to men, not women.

- Issues, issues, issues.

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carl29:

OMG!!!! I just checked the Dow, Oh my lord!!!! This is no good news for McCain.

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boomshak:

Rough day on WallStreet today -742. In light of that, McCain better lay off Ayers tonight.

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NW Patrick:

John McCain down today -769.96 in the DOW.

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Thatcher:

@carl29 -

I worked as a voter file consultant in 2000 for the Florida Democratic Party - worked with the group that managed the data for them and I went around giving trainings on the use of the voter file for targeting ...

I lived in West Palm that entire year - yes - I was there through the whole debacle.

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mysticlaker:

@ Boom answer the question. What type of person are you?
you said:
Why? I'm rich, good looking and chicks dig me.

Two days ago: You said you have cancer. Do you have cancer or not? What is the truth? Above you say you live a perfect life, but you also said you have cancer? If you do have cancer I do feel bad, but if you are using it as a decoy, you are a sad sad person. I have many family members who have had cancer, and it's a terrible disease. What is the truth?

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alankeyesisawesome:

Even though I know he's not, I have been telling all my friends that Obama is a muslim Arab (probably not but there is still the possibility), and telling them to spread the word. Whatever it takes to win the election, because we cannot afford to hand this country on a silver platter to the socialists.

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NW Patrick:

Hmmm So the Dow is down but McCain should suddently now lay off? Not because almost EVERY SINGLE poll shows his "association" method of campaigning is BACKFIRING? I am laughing so damn hard. McCain really JUST DOESN'T GET IT.

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NW Patrick:

alankeyesisawesome that should work well. I'm sure people willing to believe someone based on heresay would be voting intelligent/Obama anyways. Good one.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick

No, the Dow going down is bad news for Obama, not McCain. Every American knows that McCain is a maverick, whereas Obama is the one who has been more closely tied to Bush and the current economic situation. McCain warned us about these problems years ago.

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carl29:

NW Patrick,

Let boomy think it is a good strategy. Imagine on a day like today, Obama talking about the economy, meanwhile McBush talks about Ayers :-) Sounds funny, no?

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makersmark:

I've seen a lot of idiots on these boards, but Alankeyesisawesome takes the cake as the dumbest one of all

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick:

Well, not just heresay, but WorldNetDaily and the drudge report have picked up this story as of late...shouldn't be too long before it goes to CNN and Fox news as well.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@makersmark

Typical demoncrat/LIEberal tactic...if you can't win an argument based on merit, just start calling names...you ought to be ASHAMED of yourself.

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Viperlord:

As if someone who's rich, good looking, and has chicks digging him would be wasting his life spewing conservative propaganda on a polling site?

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thoughtful:

The state of the economy is that the (some) banks can be saved (just).

But The US and Europe are both going into a fairly deep recession and the market is now reflecting that.

At least gas, food, and everything else will be cheaper next year.

There is going to be a lot (more) hurt out there.

McCain doesn't know the time of day as he is so remote from the real world.

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NW Patrick:

alankeyesisawesome hehee I got your gag now. So did you get the Arab stuff from the "library" like Grandma did in MN? You know... she was gonna PROVIDE THE MEDIA HAHAA with the paper. She said it was all on that flyer.. all of the info. on Obama and she could get it from home! ROFL

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sunnymi:

@boomshak, you said "Rough day on WallStreet today -742. In light of that, McCain better lay off Ayers tonight"

Sometimes I get a feeling you have no loyalty to McCain camp. You just get your kicks playing the other side :-)

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Viperlord

Again, quit with the personal attacks...this is why Obama is losing the election...maybe notin all the polls, but in a considerable number of the polls, and in our hearts and minds.

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carl29:

makersmark,

And I thought that I'd heard it all. These McCain supporters never disappoint :-)!!!!

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NW Patrick:

alankeyesisawesome you are so right. I know CNN gets all of the good stuff from DRUDGE. They are definitely better than the AP for stories.

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thisniss:

@Thatcher - the type of voting you describe as "SAT" is exactly what we have in my district (4) in NC. Paper ballot, bubble in vote, feed to a machine to read/tally.

re: Gallup/McCain numbers generally: what we've been seeing in recent days where McCain has "improved" in his polling has been McCain moving toward his ceiling while Obama has stayed steady. It's not like the two are converging back toward similar numbers (e.g., breaking 48/46). More that McCain comes up a couple of points while Obama stays the same or perhaps fluctuates at the lower end of his ceiling. But O is staying at or above 50% - which, by function of sheer mathematical obviousness, means that he's winning. It doesn't really matter if McCain is losing by 10% or 5% on any given day, if Obama is staying in the 50-53% range, he's not "losing ground" to McCain.

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sunnymi:

I am not sure of their veracity but someone posted these on another website:

Rasmussen State Polls

New Mexico
O-55
M-42

Illinois
O-56
M-39

Kansas
O-41
M-54

Massachusetts
O-62
M-34

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NW Patrick:

Too bad Bush couldn't run against Obama. He'd probably fair better than McCain! HAHAHAHA!

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wakeup:

If Ayers does not come up tonight the conservatives will be furious.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick

Leave it to the Democrats to viciously attack a poor old woman...I'm sure if you saw her on the street being beaten by a thug, you would not even assist. Typical since you belong to a party that has disowned Christianity.

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NW Patrick:

alankeyes I just figured it out. You are reading the DRUDGE RETORT! http://www.drudge.com/

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Viperlord:

Personal attacks? It was obvious sarcasm... This coming from you? Someone who just admitted to spreading lies, thus destroying what little credibility you had? Lol. Personal attacks are the reason McSame's campaign is sinking, sinking, sinking under.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@sunnymi

That is good news for McCain coming out of Kansas...keep up the good work Maverick McCain!

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carl29:

sunnymi,

I don't know this is the case with these polls, but I think that "suscribers" with Ras' can get a peek at the polls before release. I don't know if this is the case. Let's wait :-)!!

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Robi:

if anyone wants to know how ignorant this guy is, look up who alan keyes is and you'll get the idea.

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NW Patrick:

sunnymi those #'s are prob correct. Rasm just released Senate polling for those same states. That person who posted the presidential # is prob a premium member. GREAT # in NM! :) More good news!

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raisethewhiteflag:

alankeyesisawesome:
@NW Patrick

Leave it to the Democrats to viciously attack a poor old woman...I'm sure if you saw her on the street being beaten by a thug, you would not even assist. Typical since you belong to a party that has disowned Christianity.

oh lorddd lol!

you one of those bible totin christians alan?

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Thatcher:

sunnymi -

DAMN! Well - they might have premium member status to get those numbers ... I'll wait until Rasmussen releases to public - the only that would be of interest, of course, is New Mexico.

Obama last lead by 5 there 2 weeks ago ... if he's pulled ahead to +13 ... call that one off the battleground list!

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NW Patrick:

For those of you who can't figure it out alankeyesisawesome is satire. He's a DEM bored with the SPIN in this forum so he's having fun. We should treat Boom that way too... we could make this fun in between polls.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick

Yes, I do read Drudge report. He brings up a lot of good stories that often break nationally...and he is an overall great guy, even though he is Jewish/unsaved.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Viperlord
Well, I am telling people he is a Muslim, but it is not a lie because it hasn't been completely disproven...there could still be some truth to it.

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Viperlord:

I've read Obama's book Audacity of Hope, (Read it you ignoramuses, you might learn something, it's very insightful) so I know who Alan Keyes is. A extremist wackjob who's a even bigger embarrassment to the GOP then Bush and Palin.

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NW Patrick:

alankeyesisawesome maybe all of the remaining red states after this election could secede from the Union under the Palin secession plan?

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fed:

CNN just turned VA blue bringing Obama to 277ev

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sunnymi:


NW Patrick, I felt so too as I looked at the Senate numbers and got a little bit of confidence that these numbers might be true (in NM Udall is ahead by 20) before posting these numbers

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick:

If Obama wins the election, the first thing to do would be to challenge his birth certificate, and we need a very large investigation to see if he was actually born in the USA...I mean his Grandmother says he was born in Kenya...this could potentially cost a lot of taxpayer $$$ but will be worth it in the long run...

It doesn't matter if Obama wins the election or not...I'll do everything I can to resist him getting into office, even if it means forming a human chain around the whitehouse. We cannot let this man become president!!!

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OGLiberal:

The +13 Obama NM number from Rasmussen is correct. I think that puts the final nail in the coffin for McCain in that state. The other states really don't matter, although I remember talk early in the GE that maybe McCain could compete in Massachussetts. (ha, ha, ha, ha.....)

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Viperlord:

Well, I'm off to FiveThirtyEight, then I'll probably return to reading "Where The Buck Stops" by Harry Truman. Have fun disemboweling the trolls and ignoramuses.

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RussTC3:

Here are the changes to CNN's Electoral Map.

Before
Obama 264
McCain 174
Toss Up 100

After
Obama 277
McCain 174
Toss Up 87

Changes
New Jersey - from Leaning Obama to Safe Obama
North Dakota - from Safe McCain to Leaning McCain
Virginia - from Toss Up to Leaning Obama

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maddiekat:

After looking at all the state polls the past few days my question is who the hell are these daily tracking polls calling!

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carl29:

alankeyesisawesome,

Please, please do it!!! I will love to witness that show :-) This just keep on getting better and better. Keep talking please.

What else will you do? I mean, besides the human chain. Eh...a human chain of how many?

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alankeyesisawesome:

@RussTC3

I don't trust them...they are the Clinton News Network.

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Connor:

boomshat came back for his spanking!

Good boy!

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Thatcher:

@maddiekat -

Those really red areas shoring up for McCain. That's what the trackers are seeing

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wakeup:

Do not get too excited about CNN splashing blue on a map... Calling races this early is insane, especially this one. The media is so twisted chasing it's own tail they don't see the ball.

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political_junki:

Obama would love to hear about Ayres non-issue.

From CNN Contributor Roland Martin

Martin: Obama is setting up McCain for a knockout blow.

(CNN) — Muhammad Ali was not only a great boxer, but an awesome tactician.

Remember the fight against George Foreman in Zaire? My man damn near went to sleep on the ropes as Foreman flailed away, using his energy to pound away at Ali. And at the right time, the Greatest of All Time started blasting away, eventually knocking Foreman out.

That's exactly what Sen. Barack Obama is doing to Sen. John McCain.

At no time during the Democratic primary has Obama tried to pick a fight. So when he told ABC last week that when it came to bringing up 1960s radical Bill Ayers on the campaign trail, McCain "wasn't willing to say it to my face," I instantly saw it as Obama throwing down the gauntlet.

Knowing full well that the senior senator from Arizona has a hot temper, he couldn't resist the bait.

"He has probably ensured that it will come up this time," McCain told a Missouri radio station.

And by doing so tonight, Obama will be ready to pounce.

I debated conservative Michael Steele last night at Fayetteville State University in Fayetteville, N.C., and he said McCain should stay focused on the issues. I concur.

By bringing up an issue voters don't care about, McCain will alienate independents, and make it easier for Obama to appeal to them.

If it happens, just watch Obama pound away at McCain, just like Ali did to Foreman.

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Stonecreek:

If McCain has made some progress this week, apparently someone forgot to tell the money guys over at Intrade about it. Obama has hit a life-of-contract high at 82.5, while Mc is at dead-bottom of 18.

How would you like to be the candidate of the party holding the White House going into your last televised debate tonight with the Dow having fallen 733 points today?

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alankeyesisawesome:

@wakeup

Excellent point...and let us not forget that they are the LIEBERAL Media...get it, because they lie!

lolololololol

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political_junki:

But will McShame have the balls to talk about Ayres in Obama;s face?

No he is scared.
Like all Rightists he is a pussy :)

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RussTC3:

No one's calling anything. They are just reporting what the polls are showing. They're last two polls have had Obama up by 9 and 10 in Virginia. Moving from Toss Up to Leaning Obama makes sense.

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boomshak:

A VOTING TEST FOR UNDECIDED'S:

Can't decide who you should vote for this year? I have a simple solution. Ask yourself the following question:

"If I were a communist, who would I vote for?..."

Then vote for the other guy.

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Trosen:

McCain never had a real shot in NM. That was a pipe dream. Bill Richardson is very popular, and remember, he endorsed Obama during the primaries. He won't let NM turn red on his watch.

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wakeup:

I picture Ali vs. Larry Holmes.

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sunnymi:

@maddiekat, you said "After looking at all the state polls the past few days my question is who the hell are these daily tracking polls calling!"


Experienced pollsters say state polling lags national polling. That said there seems to be something else that is going on here.

ARG had an insight into this twice during the last 2 weeks and someone else (I think it was Hotline) that did this as well.

Obama is getting a big chunk (something in the order of 65%) of his vote from the states where he is leading where as McCain is getting only about 45% of his vote from states where he is ahead. This basically tells us that a majority of McCain's vote is going waste from the electoral college perspective.

Hope this explains the disconnect between national polling and state polling.

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RussTC3:

Here are the comparisons for Rasmussen's latest set of state polling.

New Mexico, 10/14 (10/1)
Obama 55 (49)
McCain 42 (44)
+6 Obama, -2 McCain = 8 point Obama Swing

Illinois, 10/14 (9/17)
Obama 56 (56)
McCain 39 (40)
n/c Obama, -1 McCain = 1 point Obama Swing

Kansas, 10/14 (9/18)
McCain 54 (58)
Obama 41 (38)
-4 McCain, +3 Obama = 7 point Obama Swing

Massachusetts, 10/14 (9/23)
Obama 62 (58)
McCain 34 (38)
+4 Obama, -4 McCain = 8 point Obama Swing

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JMTMichigan:

I think what's really going to be bad for McCain at the debate is his economic "plan." He's basically proposing giving even more tax breaks to the rich, because as we all know trickle down has been working wonderfully so far. I expect Obama to really hammer that point home tonight.

Something's trickling down alright but it sure as hell ain't money...

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raisethewhiteflag:

alankeyesisawesome:
@NW Patrick

Yes, I do read Drudge report. He brings up a lot of good stories that often break nationally...and he is an overall great guy, even though he is Jewish/unsaved.


@alankeyesisawesome

how do I know that nutcase mccain does not practice satanism behind closed doors?

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Namvet:

Mr. alankeyesisawesome, you're either an obtuse idiot, a very evil bigot or a satirical genius. It's up to you to make your case.

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sunnymi:

@boomshak, you said "A VOTING TEST FOR UNDECIDED'S"

From the look of it there aren't that many undecideds this year to make a difference to the end result (barring the IBD/TIPP poll) :-)

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mysticlaker:

@boom

Why won't you answer my question? You brought it up. You said you have cancer, and know you are claiming you have a perfect life? Which is it?

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wakeup:

For undecideds... Obama vs. Wurzelbacher.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@raisethewhiteflag

Well, he is a Republican...why would he belong to the Republican party if he worshipped Satan? It is a fact that most satanists are backing Obama in this campaign.

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political_junki:

raisethewhiteflag:
Good points make sure to bring them up next time in jesus freak KKK republican right wing nut case convention before Palins key note speech

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carl29:

Trosen,

It is true that Bill Richardson is a great asset for Obama, but it is also true that this time around Hispanics can't stomach the GOP. In 2004 Bush made some inroads with Hispanics in NM, which helped him win the state; however, any trace of goodwil to the GOP from Hispanics in NM is all gone, for good I might add :-)!!!!

McCain best shot to Hispanics is Florida with the Cuban/staunchly-Republican vote. McCain is not going to get any love from Hispanics in battleground states like NM, CO, NV.

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NW Patrick:
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DTM:

I tried asking my imaginary communist friend who he would vote for, but then my imaginary fascist friend showed up with a different opinion, and then they got into an argument about which likely voter model Gallup should be using, at which point I decided I should really be making up my own mind about who to vote for.

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political_junki:

@mysticlaker:
BOOM is a habitual lier. Dont take him seriously.

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NW Patrick:

IF I WERE A COMMUNIST ID VOTE FOR MCCAIN - Why? What party has done a better job of shifting wealth to the top leaving the middle class, all the same, equalled poor?

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Batony:

Here is McCain's strategy:

McCain's strategy relies on keeping Florida, Missouri, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana and Ohio in the GOP column along with 21 other Bush-won states that aren't seriously contested. That would give McCain 260 electoral votes. He would then have to win 10 more votes from a pool of contested states won by Bush (Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico) and Kerry (New Hampshire, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania).

I am not going to be the one to say McCain cannot win Co, NV, NM....still too close. As far as Virginia, McCain being down 10 is either a shocker or just wrong. The debate will be huge tonight. I will be watching.

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OGLiberal:

@maddiekat

They're calling people from all/most states, not just battleground states. A lot of the state polls we are seeing are from battleground states.

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NW Patrick:

Batony 3 polls show McCain down 10 in VA or more.

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zotz:

boom
Here's one for you.

Ask yourself the following question:
"If I were member of the Ku Klux Klan, who would I vote for?..."

Then vote for the other guy.

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wakeup:

Batony is right on.

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Trosen:

carl29, I'm here in South FL and I can tell you that Obama has made tremendous inroads with Hispanic voters. Don't get me wrong, it's still a staunchly Republican crowd... but he has sliced a good chunk off. For instance.. I saw maybe 1 or 2 Spanish-Language TV ads for Kerry in 2004 (and there are about 1000 Spanish stations here between satellite and cable) and Obama's got one on about every 20 minutes. He's actually reached out, and it's working.

Here's an interesting blurb about how Palin has turned off white suburban scared $h*tless soccer moms (who Bush successfully scared into voting for them so Bin Laden wouldn't come eat their children). The article also shows that still, and no disrespect intended, most suburban housewives are complete idiots.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/15/obama.burbs/?eref=rss_politics&iref=polticker

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boomshak:

@mysticlaker:
@boom

Why won't you answer my question? You brought it up. You said you have cancer, and know you are claiming you have a perfect life? Which is it?

I do have cancer. But not everyone that has cancer is lying in a hospital bed hooked up to 15 machines with bad skin and no hair. I was VERY sick 6 months ago. They operated, removed the cancer and now I'm much better, but as is always the case, not out of the woods yet.

You would never guess looking at me that I had ever been sick as I am remarkably handsome and fit. Although I am 48, I regularly date women 24 to 28 years old.

Bottom line, almost died, didn't, now things are awesome. my business kind of runs itself without too much involvement from me, so until the cancer is 100% better, I kind of take it easy and waste time talking to moonbats like you.

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NW Patrick:

So let me understand the McCain strategy. Win 9 BattleGround states, 8 of which he currently trails in? ROFL

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sunnymi:


Those state polls from Rasmussen I posted earlier are correct :-)

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boomshak:

Ah, I see that McCain and Obama will be sitting during this debate. That benefits McCain.

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DecaturMark:

@Batony:
"Here is McCain's strategy"

The problem for McCain is that FL, VA, CO, NM, and OH are no longer "Bush" states. They are some shade of blue in most maps. McCain no longer has to "hold" them but he has to win them back. That is a tall order for a campaign that is sinking faster than the Titanic. I don't think MCCain has a bucket big enough to bail himself out.

With the stock market tumble today, any mention of negativity or character attack will only backfire.

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NW Patrick:

OMG "I am REMARKABLY handsome and I date 20 year olds." IS THAT WHY YOU ARE 48 AND ALONE? Mhmmmm... CAUGHT! Translation - He's 300 lbs, on unemployment, and can't get a date.

For one, I've noticed a few things about this Boom**** poster. #1 People with money DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT. #2 People who are good looking may know it but DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT. #3 People who are 48 and consistently get dates with 20 year olds DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT.

Simple Psychology my friends!

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wakeup:

After McCain brings up Ayers he should then bring up Khalidi, ACORN, Saul Alinsky, al-Mansour, Klonsky, Talbott, Frank Marshal Davis, Maxwell, Dohrn...

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sunnymi:


Boomshak, Good Luck with your Health :-)

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NW Patrick:

wakeup that makes sense. McCain should bring up smear tactics with names of people the typical American HAS NEVER HEARD OF. Are you mentally challenged or does your party NOT READ POLLS?

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raisethewhiteflag:

mcsame pulling out of 2 more states!
wisconsin and maine=bye bye mcsame!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_ads

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Basil:

BooBoo

Obama will be standing on McCain's neck in this debate. That benefits Obama.

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zotz:

BTW Roosevelt saved capitalism with all his social programs. Capitalism works best when the government puts limits on the excesses of the free market. People that still believe in Reaganomics are either total idealogues or they are just stupid (probably both).

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mysticlaker:

Great Boom. I am glad you are feeling better. I am glad that you had health insurance to help you through this, unlike the 50 million Americans who don't.

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sunnymi:

@boomshak, you said "Ah, I see that McCain and Obama will be sitting during this debate. That benefits McCain."


Right! he does not have to walk around the stage as if he were walking his dog :-)
I hope his aides make sure he has a properly elevated chair to sit on.

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Batony:

Trosen:

When you guys find and quote little articles that say Palin has hurt John McCain, why don't you also quote the articles that tell how many people were not going to vote for McCain until she joined the ticket. This is what I hate about the media. Is there any news outlet that's straight down the middle? It seems it almost pains the media to report on Palin's huge crowds. That why I just go to the local media reports on both campaigns. The national media is a joke.

Say what you want about Palin, she is not the reason McCain is behind. Tonight McCain has to give his economic plan clearly and tell how it will differ from Obama's. He has yet to do that in a precise way.

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DTM:

I have to admit I like wakeup's plan for McCain, just because it would be amusing to watch the CNN dials pegged at the bottom for so long.

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DecaturMark:

@boomshak:
"Ah, I see that McCain and Obama will be sitting during this debate. That benefits McCain."

I agree. But McCain will have to engage him, something he was unwilling or unable to do in the first 2 debates. And sitting at the same table it is hard to attack someone without being overbearing. McCain does not have the finesse and nuanced delivery style that will aid him in that. At least he won't look like an idiot wandering around the stage like last time.

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wakeup:

NW Patrick,
it is not easy to side-step the media... however character does count, and Obama hurts in that department. Just ask Joe Wurzelbacher.

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NW Patrick:

Batony you are right. The Republican BRAND is ultimately the reason McCain will lose.

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boomshak:

@mysticlaker:

Great Boom. I am glad you are feeling better. I am glad that you had health insurance to help you through this, unlike the 50 million Americans who don't.

Yes, if we had socialized medicine, I would have had to wait 6 months to a year for my operation from a doctor I didnt get to choose and I probably would have gone from State II to Stage III or IV because I waited.

Thanks but no thanks.

P.S., How many of those 50 million have big screen TV's but no health insurance? How many drive nice cars but no health insurance? How many are illegal aliens?

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wakeup:

DTM,
Have you seen the CNN focus groups???
The onlything more absurd is their snap-shot polls.

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JCK:

Batony,

How many of the pro-Palin folks really weren't going to vote for McCain? I think this was a bit like the PUMA business for Obama; he's now getting a "normal" level of support among Democrats.

I have little doubt that some in the Republican base were energized by the pick, but I haven't seen any evidence that it's been a net gain for him...

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Batony:

@Decatur Mark:

They are Bush states until, Obama actually wins the states, not b/c he's leading.

@Raisethewhiteflag:

Why are you celebrating that McCain is pulling out Wisconsin and Maine? Remember all McCain has to do is hold on to RED states. They are red states for a reason. Republicans are still very strong in NV, CO, FL, NC, MO, etc. Obama had the advantage for a while b/c he basically had the states to himself.

I agree with staying in PA. Also I would continue in NM (being from the west has to count for something). And of course still compete in Maine.

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ericsp28:

I saw a graph somewhere recently that compared McCain's number in the Gallup Daily Tracker to the daily fluctuations in the S&P 500. The correlation between the two was amazing. When the market moved up, even slightly, McCain's numbers would improve two days later, and when the market went down McCain's numbers would go down too.
The stock market had a record setting day on Monday, so it makes sense that his Gallup numbers would improve today. By the end of trading today, most of what was gained on Monday has been lost, so expect McCain's numbers to go back down by the end of the week (notwithstanding a game changing performance in the debate tonight, of course).

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Incumbent:

Richard Lugar, top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, endorses Obama!!


http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/20081015/pl_cq_politics/politics2975236

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DTM:

Palin may have solidified McCain's "base", but that would likely have happened anyway, and the problem is that many moderates and independents don't like her. Now ordinarily that wouldn't matter much, but due to her lack of qualifications, this has been framed as an issue of McCain pulling a political stunt contrary to the interests of the nation (in the event he actually wins). And that fits with a broader narrative of McCain abandoning his principles in an effort to win the election.

And that narrative hurts McCain. In short, it is not so much Palin herself, as what McCain's choice of Palin says about McCain to moderates and independents, that is hurting McCain.

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DTM:

@wakeup

You may need to reconsider your expectations for what a typical undecided voter looks like at this point.

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NW Patrick:

Welcome to INTELLIGENCE Lugar.

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raisethewhiteflag:

@Decatur Mark:

mcsame will be out of pa by this time next week ,GUARENTEED!

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boomshak:

OBAMA IN THE BAG? NOT SO FAST COMRADES:

Rasmussen Tracking 10/12 - 10/14 3000 LV 50 45 Obama +5
Reuters/C-Span/Zogby Tracking 10/12 - 10/14 1210 LV 48 44 Obama +4
Gallup Tracking (Traditional)* 10/12 - 10/14 2160 LV 49 46 Obama +3
IBD/TIPP Tracking 10/09 - 10/14 825 LV 45 42 Obama +3

Obama's Campaign was just quoted as saying that "their internal polling shows this is still a very close race and not nearly the blowout you see in the CBS/NYTimes polling..."

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wakeup:

ericsp28,
It is the statistical truth... Obama needs the markets to collapse.

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DecaturMark:

@Batony:

"They are Bush states until, Obama actually wins the states, not b/c he's leading."

That 2004 thinking is why the republicans are going to lose big in 2008. Not willing to change with the times. You are campaigning in a 2008 world with 2004 mindsets.

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Stonecreek:

@ Botony:

Palin, while rallying the previously unenthusiactic base, has had the effect of putting a significant portion of the independent voters out-of-reach for McCain. Most of us assume that the hard core conservatives would ultimately have no other choice than to vote for McCain, Palin or no Palin. The voters who were critical to him were the indies, and Palin's lack of intellect and far-right stances alienated a substantial portion of them. As a colorful member of Congress put it, "the longest Hail Mary in the history either football or Mary's".

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bmrKY:

"boomshak:
The point is, Obama should be running away with it, but it seems he is fading to the finish, just like in the primaries."

This is the biggest myth out there. You seem to forget, Obama isn't trailing in ANY of the nationwide polls for October thus far (with most showing a 5-8 point lead, outside the MOE), and hell, he doesn't even NEED to win the nation wide vote to win the Presidency (even though he will win the popular vote). All he needs are 270 votes in the electoral college. I would say that right now he has the Kerry states, Iowa and New Mexico locked up for 264 Electoral College votes. That means all he has to do in order to become President is win Colorado. And as it stands right now he has CONSISTENT leads in Colorado, Virginia, Florida, Ohio, Nevada and is pretty much tied in North Carolina and Missouri. It's almost impossible for McCain to swing ALL of those states back into his midst at this point in the race. Indiana is close but leaning McCain, and now there are polls showing West Virginia tightening up, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Arkansas do the same.

So tell me, how does McCain win in the ELECTORAL COLLEGE if he fails to grab just ONE of the states I mentioned? In the words of James Carville, "It's the electoral college, stupid!"

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Batony:

@DTM:

Palin is the reason McCain was leading or tied before this economic meltdown. And yes a lot of conservatives were not going to vote for McCain. They can't stand him. Don't estimate the power of Palin to turn out votes on election day.

@Incumbent

Lugar did not endorse Obama. You are worse than the National Media. lol Read the whole article.

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ericsp28:

Actually, the only person who needs anything is McCain. He needs the markets to recover so he can quietly sweep 8 years of Republican mismangement under the rug.

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raisethewhiteflag:

duhhh ofcourse thier gonna say that boomcrack, uhhh hello they still would like to keep recieving thier record level capaign donations!

Some people lol,,,

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boomshak:

LUGAR ENDORSED BOTH DIPLOMACY METHODS:

"Lugar, however, said McCain is right to warn that "there are times when diplomatic approaches to rogue regimes have little efficacy."

The article just tries to spin it with the headline as if he is only endorsing Obama. More bullsh*t spin from the MSM...

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bmrKY:

"wakeup:
ericsp28,
It is the statistical truth... Obama needs the markets to collapse."

I don't know if you've noticed... but they're kinda collapsing.

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Thatcher:

NW Patrick -

Thanks for posting that MC Yogi link.

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Batony:

Please do we have to have those focus groups tonight? And we all due respect to the two black women who are undecided, but are leaning towards Obama....I mean really does anyone take these things seriously?

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mirrorball:

More bullsh*t spin from the MSM...

Congressional Quarterly is hardly the mainstream media. Unless you like to count companies that publish policy newsletters that cost several hundred or more dollars/yr. Not exactly widely read outside the Beltway.

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zotz:

boomshak-
Has Lugar endorsed McCain? Sometimes silence is by itself a powerful statement.

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wakeup:

stonecreek,
"colorful member of congress???"
bmrKY,
What economic theory could best take advantage of a faltering free amrket economy...???

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RussTC3:

Looks like Lugar is endorsing some of Obama's policies, not necessarily Obama himself.

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boomshak:

@zotz:

boomshak-
Has Lugar endorsed McCain?

I don't get your point. Did you read the article? He doesn't "endorse" Obama at all, he merely says that sometimes engaging is good, and sometimes it is bad.

The article spun it as an "endorsement" of Obama which is bullsh*t.

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Mr Average:

Rasmussen shows Obama leading by 13 percentage points in New Mexico. Rasmussen writes:

"McCain and Obama are essentially even among white voters while the Democrat has a 17-point lead among Hispanic voters. Obama leads by 15 among women but trails by eight among men"

According to my calculations this means that 75% of New Mexico voters are hispanic women...

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boomshak:

@RussTC3:

"Looks like Lugar is endorsing some of Obama's policies, not necessarily Obama himself."

And he endorsed some of McCain's policies. The whole article is a wash.

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Batony:

@ZOTZ:

Whether you know or not, two of least like men here in Washington, DC are running for Prez. Sen. Obama and Sen. McCain.

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NW Patrick:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/cnns-kyra-phillips-cunt-s_n_134946.html

WOW! Talk about how she REALLY feels. I can't stand Sanchez. FITTING!

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bmrKY:

Hey boomsleep and batony, since you're both on here, I was wondering what your take is on McCain's SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES? Why won't McCain come clean with the American people about his ties to SADDAM LOBBYISTS? Can we trust John SIDNEY McCain to keep us safe from ISLAMIC TERRORISTS and DICTATORS? Can we trust this man to tell us the TRUTH about his SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES? Or will he continue on down this road by appointing even more LOBBYISTS to his cabinet who have ties to ISLAMIC MILITANT DICTATORS? I just don't know if I can trust John McCain after this revelation about his SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES. Does John McCain support sleeper cell TERRORISTS taking over the United States? Why would he appoint a SADDAM LOBBYIST to head up his transition team? Only time will tell if McCain really thinks LOBBYISTS for SADDAM are the best people to have in his administration. God help us all if he appoints cabinet members who have LOBBIED for ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORISTS and DICTATORS!

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zotz:

"Obama's Campaign was just quoted as saying that "their internal polling shows this is still a very close race and not nearly the blowout you see in the CBS/NYTimes polling..."

This is a motivational statement. They obviously are trying to discourage overconfidence.

Basic stuff guys!

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boomshak:

@Mr Average:

Yep, his internals don't add up to the top line so well on that poll.

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raisethewhiteflag:

boomcrack why dont you declare mccain the winner of tonights debate already?

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bmrKY:

wakeup/fallenasleep, do you have any information about McCain's SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES? Any information about McCain's ties to SADDAM LOBBYISTS would be greatly appreciated.

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boomshak:

bmrKY:

"Hey boomsleep and batony, since you're both on here, I was wondering what your take is on McCain's SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES?

I prefer Versace Ties myself.

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Incumbent:

@Batony
@boomshak

I'm a big enough man to admit when I'm wrong. In my haste to be the first to post the Lugar story I went by the headline only. My bad.

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NW Patrick:

I don't understand John Sydney McCain. Is whole campaign is lobbiests.

McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort! WHAT THE HELL?

Country 1st?

I'm forwarding this to 100 people.

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political_junki:

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When Colin Powell turns off his TV after the final presidential debate, he will have learned everything he is going to learn about the candidates vying to succeed his former boss, George W. Bush. Powell has made it clear that he has been thinking about an endorsement for a long time but wanted to hear more from the candidates before making his choice. It now seems beyond doubt that Colin Powell will endorse Barack Obama and thereby hammer the final nail in the coffin of the Republican campaign to hold onto the White House.

The recent ugliness of the McCain-Palin rally audiences cannot be lost on Colin Powell. And Powell is not one to ignore a 14 point lead in a New York Times poll. But most important for Powell and the press will be his explicit rejection of the Bush-McCain approach to Iraq, Iran and the rest of the world.

Powell's endorsement will be perfectly timed to dominate a news cycle or two. It will give Obama the one thing he still needs more of--credibility as Commander-In-Chief. And Sarah Palin's speechwriters will be hard pressed to come up with a condescending quip about it.

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NW Patrick:

McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort! ****! IT's OVER! LOL OMG. 10 point swing tomorrow in the Gallop! Signed - Boom****.

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wakeup:

bmrKY,
ACORN lobbies and Obama has stated they will be a part the "change" in Washington. Sleeper cells... I have a push poll question; what candidate is more likely to be part of a sleeper cell?

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zotz:

Sen. Lugar is a Republican. If he has not stated his endorsement of McCain yet that is very strange. I'm not talking about the article. I know he has praised Obama's choice of Biden for VP. And as far as I know he hasn't said a word (in public) about Palin.
Again, very strange.

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Disco Stu:

Well, the market HAVE collapsed!! Another -700 or so today!!!! S***!!!!!! Can we get W out of the White House ANY SOONER!?!?!?!?

BTW...Nice to see Luger's endorsement of Obama. May help nudge IN even closer!

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NW Patrick:

Buh bye wakeup. You crossed the line. Adios!

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boomshak:

REGARDING AYERS:

I personally think McCain would be follish to bring him up tonight. Although Obama is guilty as sin in his alliance with Ayers, it is just too complex of a relationship for the average linear-thinking America to get.

McCain can go after Obama on so many levels on the economy:
1. "Tax Cuts" for people that don't pay taxes.
2. Killing jobs by overtaxing small business.
3. "Spreading the wealth around".
4. Unfettered power to liberals controlling every branch of government.

There is really no need to even mention Ayers, especially with the market down 700+ points today.

I would go with a very positive economic message tonight. Save the red meat for the ads and your surrogates.

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bmrKY:

"boomshak:
bmrKY:

"Hey boomsleep and batony, since you're both on here, I was wondering what your take is on McCain's SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES?

I prefer Versace Ties myself."

I see you can't answer a simple question. I'm an undecided voter who has been leaning toward McCain, honest I swear. I'm fair and balanced just like Fox News and Rush. I just want to know why McCain has ties to SADDAM LOBBYISTS? Can I trust McCain to protect my family and our children, while he has LOBBYISTS for ISLAMIC EXTREMIST DICTATORS working for him? Please boom, tell me I can trust this man and that these ties to SADDAM LOBBYISTS are nothing that should be alarming to me. I also want to know if I should trust McCain since he spoke to that evil ACORN group two years ago and said that they are what makes America great. I've been leaning McCain this whole race, but his ties to SADDAM LOBBYISTS and that ACORN group are very troubling to me.

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Batony:

@BMRky:

I'll just say this, McCain two sons in the military one already fought in Iraq. Yes I have the utmost confidence in McCain to defend this country from terrorists. I would even say if McCain had been Prez instead of jerkoff Bin Laden would be dead by now.

Now can we trust a man who had to hang a racist for 20 years b/c he didn't feel he was black enough...or nevermind. I'm not going to go there. Let's just talk about polls and strategies.

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RussTC3:

NW Patrick

Thanks for posting that video.

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NW Patrick:

I haven't seen Romney on TV for McCain lately? Think all our running to save their own butts?

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boomshak:

HAVE YOU MOONBATS EVEN READ THE LUGAR ARTICLE?

Lugar does NOT endorse Obama. Period.

He says that sometimes you need to engage as Obama thinks and sometimes engaging is useless as McCain thinks.

There is NO endorsement.

Geesh.

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NW Patrick:

Id like to thank Boom****'s GREAT COACH there in NC Dean Smith for his Obama endorsement. GOOD MAN!

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bmrKY:

Can we TRUST a man like John McCain who has ties to SADDAM LOBBYISTS and ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS? Why won't he tell the American people about this?

I just don't know if we can trust him anymore.

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wakeup:

bmrKY,
The US was very close to Saddam during the Iran-Iraq War. Reagan, Gorbachev, and UN Sec General Cuellar all dealt with Saddam...

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NW Patrick:

Batony you're right... Bin Laden isn't dead. Ya see... when our president is TIGHT with the Bin Laden family, why would he go kill his friend's son? Hell..he had them to the ranch!

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bmrKY:

"Batony:
@BMRky:

I'll just say this, McCain two sons in the military one already fought in Iraq."

No, no Batony. No he's not. McCain's a good, decent family man. Honest he is. I have no doubts about that. My doubts stem from his LOBBYIST ties to SADDAM and ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS. It troubles me greatly about who he associates with.

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RussTC3:

Obama, and McCain's, tax policies are for those individuals and families that PAY TAXES.

That's why they've been saying "95% of working families".

Are people really so ignorant to the facts?

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NW Patrick:

I worry about McCain's anger issue. He called cindy a "C...NT." What would he do when he gets pissed at Putin or when his metamucil is knocked over and spilt all over the floor?

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wakeup:

Romney is licking his chops for 2012.
Powell is not endorsing anybody.
McCain has got to bring up Ayers in some capacity... conservatives demand it. At least bring up Ayers' educational philosophies.

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RussTC3:

And when I say "they", I mean Obama, not McCain. McCain barely mentions the working class, which is why he's so out of touch.

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zotz:

Ok, I have to admit a rare mistake. Lugar has endorsed McCain. I just googled it. So I am not perfect. I'm glad the secret is out!

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Batony:

@Incumbent

Don't worry under we all get a little excited at this time of the year. But you had me going for a minute.

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wakeup:

bmrKY,
Who has ties to extremists... Khalid al-Mansour, Rashid and Mona Khalidi, AAAN, Ayers, Dohrn?

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Incumbent:

@Batony

You are a gentleman sir, although we clearly have almost no ideologies in common. I'm just trying to practice what I preach. It would be nice to see more people on this board come out and admit when something they post turns out to be wrong (boomshak, I'm looking at you...)

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DecaturMark:

@wakeup:

"McCain has got to bring up Ayers in some capacity... conservatives demand it."

McCain has put himself in an untenable position. He has promised to bring up the Ayers issue to please the radical right. If he doesn't he looks like a wimp (remember both Obam and Biden dared him to bring it up.) But if he does, he will look like a nasty, mean spirited person because he will be sitting right across from Obama and the undecided voters will wonder why he is talking about something that has no bearing on their lives when the economy is their #1 concern. He is in a corner and can't win no matter what he does.

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Batony:

@zotz:

Good for you. Now if only people like Keith Olberman would apologize when he makes a mistake like saying Palin didn't say anything when an audience member yelled kill him at one of her rallies...when if fact the man said it 30 minutes before she arrived on stage.

newsbusters.org is great.

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political_junki:

@BOOM:
"Although Obama is guilty as sin in his alliance with Ayers, it is just too complex of a relationship for the average linear-thinking America to get."

Last week you were seeing signs of Obama;s collapse in all the polls because of Ayres now you think it is too complex for americans to understand? You are a fool my friend.

Every single prediction you have made in the last 2 weeks have been wrong, specially about the Ayres issue and now you think since Americans dont like the way you think they are "average" and "linear" thinking? Well maybe your way of thinking is too twisted, you have to linearize it.


Being fried with Ayres is no sin and that is the way public thinks as well.

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wakeup:

RussTC3,
Obama hase uses both "95% of Americans" and "95% of working families" either way it is a statistical imposibility when 40% of Americans do not pay taxes... Welfare checks are the proper description.

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wakeup:

DecaturMark,
You can bring up Ayers without saying terrorist... you can bring up his theories on education and how that relates to Obama's views on education.

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DecaturMark:

Saying Obama's education theories are radical is not going to move anyone to vote for McCain.

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wakeup:

DecaturMark,
I am surprised at how few people are concerned about socialism. Maybe I am just connecting too many dots... it's just that there are so many dots to connect.

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DecaturMark:

Wakeup

How is Obama's educational plan socialist? Or should I say more socialist than our public education is already. Do you think that it is in the nation's best interest to provide education for all children?

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NW Patrick:

wakeup you're an IDIOT. What is Anti-socialist about Bush's bail-out... or the largest deficit in HUMAN HISTORY? What's your point low-info voter?

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Boris_Dieter:

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

Who gives a fig about the national polls! Yes, they're tightening a tad, largely because of somewhat higher support in already red precincts and in some states (like California or New York, where a few percent improvement for McCain means absolutely nothing). In the states that matter, Colorado, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Florida, etc., McCain is doing worse by the second. This thing is over. The key thing now is to try to boost the congressional sweep, so as to minimize the effectiveness of the GOP effort to prevent any progress in the coming Obama administration.

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OneAngryDwarf:

Man the Republitrolls are out in force today. It is kind of funny to watch them flail around, predict the end of America and generally act as if the sky is falling.

If you honestly think that this race will be close please check the score. Their is a word for the trolls who arguing a slight tightening in a single national poll while multiple state and national polls show an overwhelming electoral win for the D's.

Pathetic...

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ticketstub:

I wonder if, with the economic mess, the nationalization of the banks, and everything that Bush has wrought, if we'll finally see the death of the terrifying "socialist" smear. I mean, guys, really...the cold War is over. And having the government get involved does not necessarily mean big-S "Socialism." If it did, we'd be well on our way to Socialism thanks to terrible, scary, horrible things like Fire Departments, Social security, Medicaid and, scariest of all...the Post Office!

If the past few weeks has shown anything, it's that rampant deregulation and privatization doesn't work. Governments exist for a reason. So maybe, soon, we can put the red menace away as a campaign tool.

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Viperlord:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008 I am so sick of the socialist bull****.... Brian Moore is a socialist. Obama is nowhere near him. See, the American people are concerned about socialism, that's why Brian Moore isn't going to win the Presidency.

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zotz:

"I am surprised at how few people are concerned about socialism."

I have to push back against this notion that if you don't believe in laissez-faire capitalism that makes you a socialist. Roosevelt was not a socialist and neither is Obama. wakeup is an economic extremist and that is not what we need now.

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Viperlord:

And actually, now that I think about it, McCain is much closer to fascism than Obama is to socialism.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@ticketstub

You haven't talked to Grover Norquist have you. Those things that you just listed are the root of all evil in the world. He's willing to destroy America to make sure that he never has to wait in line at the Post Office, ever.

That is the problem with the current Republican economic philosophy, they don't believe in good governenment. They want NO government. Great in theory, horrible in practice, just like the George W. Bush presidency.

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Viperlord:

Yes, FDR was by far the most leftist President we ever had, certainly further to the left than Obama, and would you call him a socialist? If your a neocon crazy perhaps....

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Viperlord:

That's the problem, Reagan started that but didn't really mean it as the swelling in government size under him showed, there hasn't been a single Republican President in a while who genuinely wanted small government, which is a fine idea if you actually mean it.

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Boris_Dieter:

Quite wasting time and effort with these GOP nutcases; find out how to participate in phone banks and work on some of the congressional campaigns. It's a total waste of time talking with these out-of-date, irrelvant Cold Warriors, fighting obsolete, foolish battles of yester-years.

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NW Patrick:

I'm SPEACHLESS. VA registered over 400,000 new voters, 40% under the age of 25. I wonder who folks under 25 will go for?

From NBC’s Doug Adams
Virginia now has more than five million registered voters, a new record, as the deadline for registration for the fall election closed on Oct. 6th, according to the Virginia State Board of Elections.

The total number of registered voters in Virginia is now 5,021,933.

Since January, Virginia, a swing state this cycle, has experienced a net gain of 436,000 new voters, including what they call an "onslaught" of new voters in the last week of registration.

Nearly 40 percent of the newly registered voters across the state are under the age of 25. Trends show that, regardless of age, females represent the majority of new registered voters.

Among the biggest gainers were cities:
-- Williamsburg: Nearly 20% increase
-- Richmond: More than a 17% increase
-- Arlington County: More than a 14% increase
-- Hampton city: 15.4% increase
-- Charlottesville: 14.6% increase
-- Fairfax County: 9% increase, but that means 61,000 new voters
-- Fairfax City: 7%

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boomshak:

@NW Patrick:

And only 1.5 million are fraudulent.

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raisethewhiteflag:

so all the republicans on here are ok with having a vp that abuses power to get what she wants?

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ticketstub:

Dont worry NW Patrick...

Republicans will do all they can to make sure that none of those newly registered people who are poor will get to the polls. Protecting democracy at home!

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Viperlord:

They're Republicans... They loved the last 8 years with Dickhead Cheney didn't they?

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NW Patrick:

Don't worry Boom****. Mickey Mouse would have to provide PROOF at the polling station. So unless Mickey has ID, a registration means nothing. Why your Acorn made up sstory is BS.

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boomshak:

@raisethewhiteflag:

so all the republicans on here are ok with having a vp that abuses power to get what she wants?

Actually, it kind of turns me on...

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Pat:

This post on 538 is getting a lot of reaction and has been quoted on other blogs. It is very moving and will impact this race:

Kenyada said...
I suggest that the pollsters throw out all data for African American voting in the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. This election is very different for AAs. In previous elections, the majority of us voted against Bush, but there was a wedge created by the Repulsicans when they appealed to the black church, and paid off black preachers. Particularly in 2004, where the pulpit of the black church became just another campaign stop for high level Repulsican candidates, including Bush.

In 2008, however, there is a ground swell in the black community, and silence from the megachurch leaders, lest they suffer the price of empty collection plates. In the past, we always had to choose the better of two representatives of the status quo. Change was not an option. This year the choice is as clear as a bell. You should see the lines in Atlanta for early voting. And the faces of the people waiting in lines stretching 60 to 100 minutes in length tell the story. “This one is for Florida in 2004!”… “This one is for Fannie Lou Hamer in 1964!”… “This one is for Katrina!”

Yes, we are voting against McCain, but even more importantly, for the first time, we have a candidate for whom to vote wholeheartedly. I’ve never seen or heard anything like this in our neighborhoods. All across the State of Georgia the racist political structure has historically herded us into “Buttermilk Bottom” isolated pockets of political powerlessness. This is the first time that we have an opportunity to rise up, join together and, in one resounding voice say, “Enough!”

I’m not sure you understand. This vote is 400 years in the making. Pollsters don’t seem to take that into account. My 82-year old mother had to be rushed to the hospital last Sunday – congestive heart failure. One of the first things she asked when the oxygen mask was removed was “Will someone please get me an absentee ballot. I don’t want to miss the election.” Committed? Nah, black folks are *passionate* about this one. This is not only a vote for a candidate; it is a vote for America, the America we heard about from our parents and their parents, across the generations. Freedom and Liberty sound so trite these days, but I remember those words spoken by my Dad on his way to the March on Washington. January 20th will be a dream fulfilled. And if you are expecting only a 95% response on Election Day, you are misinterpreting the sound of the drum.

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Jimbo77:

The expanded Lv includes 159 more respondents then the traditional Lv. In order for O+3 and M-2 the breakdown would have to been Obama 137 Mccain 22 or 6 to 1. I find that model highly doubtfull.

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Viperlord:

I saw that post, it was very inspired. The massive voter registration effort here in my state has been very successful, to say the least.

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wakeup:

I see Murtha's doing his part in PA.

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Boris_Dieter:

One more time. I spent the entire day calling the midwest and florida, from California. Get involved in getting out the vote for Obama and congressional challengers to GOP incumbents. Quit wasting time with the GOP and conservative jerks in the blogosphere.

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Basil:

NW

Just the Des Moines Register stuff is obnoxious enough for me.

I checked out the MC Yogi link. Thank you!


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cinnamonape:

"If Obama wins the election, the first thing to do would be to challenge his birth certificate, and we need a very large investigation to see if he was actually born in the USA...I mean his Grandmother says he was born in Kenya...this could potentially cost a lot of taxpayer $$$ but will be worth it in the long run..."

I think that such challenges are charged to the people who are protesting it. It could run into the billions of dollars, so I suggest that Palin begins fundraising now!

"It doesn't matter if Obama wins the election or not...I'll do everything I can to resist him getting into office, even if it means forming a human chain around the whitehouse. We cannot let this man become president!!!"

How about a "subhuman daisy chain"? BTW you do know where Obama will be sworn in and by whom. I think it would be quite simple to somehow encourage (I won't say "make") Roberts to disappear.

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liz from NJ:

I travel all over the world on business, and over the last 8 years, there has been a noticeable increase in animosity toward America. Folks, this is a security issue. Ultimately this affects the security of all of us in USA. The world sentiment against America provides a lot more breeding ground for anti-American terrorists.

I think Obama's presidency will change that tremendously. I believe his face as a POTUS will go a significant distance in repairing USA's image around the world.

Go Obama!!!

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ThisLandIsMyLand:

boomshak: I'm rich, good looking and chicks dig me.

I don't know about rich and good looking, but I'm a chick, and I can say that if your conversation is anything like your posts here, the chicks you're attracting must be deaf or lobotomized

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wakeup:

Oil at $76 a barrel... bad for Obama

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Thatcher:

@wakeup -

You know - I've just caught on ... you are being sarcastic in all your posts -- a satire of right-wingers. Just like the other guy alankeyesisawesome!

The things you say are so ... out there ... that no one in their right mind could believe them.

Man, now I as I look back at your previous posts with this new epiphany - they all make me laugh! Good job!

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liz from NJ:

about Palin pick:

As an ardent Obama supporter, I am really gld that McCain picked Palin.

I believe this is the biggest blumder McCain made. Everybody talks about her "net" contribution to the McCain tickect.

A more accurate assessment is the "opportunity cost" of a Palin pick. If McCain picked someone like Lieberman, he would have had a very streamlined message of a true maverick with the best interest for the country. And, oh, what attack he could have been laying out consistently: the Experience card.

Furthermore, he would have gotten a lot of Clinton democrats. He would have gotten a lot of independents/democrats who were not really comfortable with unknown/inexperienced somebody (in their mind).

To boot, Lieberman would have carried Florida for him.

If McCain had done it as soon as he got the Rep nomination (like March), the base would have been upset, but they would have had the time to lick their wounds and got over it.

After all, facing the choice between an American hero and "uh, so foreign sounding, perhaps non-American - secret Arab" Obama, what do you think the fanatic nut jobs would have done??? they would have come around.

The problem with McCain is, he is a short term optimizer not capable of having the vision and discpline of strategizig for the end goal achievement.

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wakeup:

Thatcher,
I could have defeated Alan Keyes in a senate election... the fact that Obama did it does not impress me.

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MNlatteliberal:

but wakeup, isn't alankeysawesome?

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DTM:

One brief aside: there are some working people who end up paying little or no federal INCOME taxes, but they still pay federal PAYROLL taxes. So claiming such people pay no federal taxes at all is incorrect.

Anyway, to Jimbo77:

I'm not sure that is implausible. The basic difference between the models is people who express a strong intention to vote this year but haven't done so in the past. And it wouldn't surprise me if Obama does indeed have a very large lead among such people.

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MNlatteliberal:

Boomshack, I am just back from work, and sorry to say, missed all the fun. I admit, I haven't kept up on all your latest. So, where do we stand on McCain? Are we still abandoning his McCampaign to the wolves to be later shot down from barracuda's black helicopters? Or, are we back on the McBandwagon?

Honestly, some of the inquiring minds want to know what is your position d'jour.

TIA

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DTM:

Oh, and it should be noted that McCain's temporary rise in the polls during and immediately after the Republican convention was predictable, with or without Palin. Which is not to say Palin did not contribute to rallying the Republican "base" for McCain, but I think it is a mistake to attribute that entire effect to Palin.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@liz from NJ

Did you just go all Macroeconomics on us? Nice.

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MNlatteliberal:

actually, wakeup, I think GOP picking Alan Keys was sheer genius! It reminds me of another brilliant GOP pick. I am thinking of a certain GOP vice-presidential nominee who shares many of Mr Key's mainstream philosophies and general outlook on life. Whatever is that name?! I am not as handsome or young as our pollster Spartacus, and my memory fails me.

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MNlatteliberal:

1Angry, shalom and aloha to ya

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OneAngryDwarf:

@MN

Hey MN how was your day, still out there fighting the good fight?

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Basil:

@ wakeup

WAKE UP

@liz

I couldn't agree more about Obama and the national security issue. The entire world will breathe a sigh of relief when he becomes president. It will signal and end to the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld regime of madness and criminality and of the worst administration in US history.

We will no longer be seen as the bumbling fools we've been, and Obama will have a window of opportunity to put our foreign policy on a more rational footing.

If Powell endorses Obama it will help tremendously.

Obama Tsunami!

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MNlatteliberal:

@political_junki re: COLLIN POWELL WILL ENDORSE OBAMA

are you toying with my fragile emotions or is there a link? i wanna believe, damn it. and i don't want to wait till the debate is over.

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metsmets:

If one is a daft enough to believe that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii as his "so-called" birth certificate says, then his parents were extremely smart to announce his birth in the Honolulu newspaper (hint: at the time of his birth, no less). How did they know that their conspiracy would pay off in 2008 for their forty-six year-old son?

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Incidentally, McCain WASNT born the UNITED STATES, he was born in the CANAL ZONE in PANAMA which is no longer considered part of the U.S.

Wikipedia:
John McCain was born in 1936 at Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, Panama, to naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. (1911–1981) and Roberta (Wright) McCain (b. 1912). At that time, the Panama Canal was under U.S. control. Despite not being born in the United States, he is considered eligible to be president.

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MNlatteliberal:

@1Angry, I miss the pollster during the day. most of the time i cannot find time to read the blogs, never mind post. Woody Allen was right in "Sleeper" - "science is an intellectual dead end". *eg*

where have all the trolls gone?

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OneAngryDwarf:

@Basil

How awesome would that be. Powell coming out and saying that McCain's foreign policy plan is wrong and busting off a Obama's the man at the same time.

Bang, Bang, Bang. Final nails being pounded into the McCain campaign coffin.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@MN

I was out working all day too, and by the look of this thread it was a banner troll day. There are signs of carnage EVERYWHERE!

Sort of glad I missed it since most of it is the usual RW banality about Ayers, and polls tightening and other such tripe.

Now though I'm all set to watch the third and final debate. Finally get the last of these stupid "turn the tables" moments behind us and get ready for a D-Landslide on the 5th of next month.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@MN

Are you going to be here giving your own special brand of commentary on the debate tonight?

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MNlatteliberal:

18:15 Quayle to Palin: "just be yourself"
(link on pollster front page)
And in our very own Minneapolis STRIB no less!
How freaking funny is THAT?! We were just wondering out loud today in our liberal stronghold about what ever happened to good ole Dan. LMAO

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political_junki:

@latteLiberal:
Here is the link, it is not definite but he will most probably endorse next week:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/colin-powell-is-ready-to_b_134777.html

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MNlatteliberal:

Political_junki, thanks!

1Angry, - yep, I warned about it in the morning in one of the early poll threads. I will comment until my wife yells at me to pay attention - i do have a certain wuss image to uphold here, after all. i must and i shall act p-whipped.

Boomshack, come back, damn it, I have something special for you

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wakeup:

Alan Keyes was from Baltimore...
Palin did collect the conservatives, trust me. Character is an important attribute.

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OneAngryDwarf:

Pop Quiz

At the end of this election Sarah Palin will be best remembered as:

A. A really easy Trivial Pursuit question.
B. The butt of a series of running jokes.
C. The answer to Dan Quayles prayers.
D. All of the above.

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Observer:

liz from NJ

I disagree. Picking Lieberman would have been a disaster for McCain. Lieberman is already reviled by Democrats as a traitor. As a pro-choicer he would have been the last straw for many Republicans. Many of them would still have voted for McCain but the energy and the campaigning would not have been there.

This is a campaign of change. McCain and Lieberman, two old dogs from Washington, would have totally conceded any change credibility.

Oh and Florida. Do you really think 60,000 people would have turned up in Florida to hear a speech from Lieberman? I don't.

Palin has been a brilliant pick by McCain. Apart from anything else it has exposed the inch deep 'feminist' and 'liberal' credentials of so many disgusting 'celebrities' and 'journalists'. I think of myself as a liberal so I do not use the term as an insult. I don't think those who display written or spoken foam-at-the-mouth hatred qualify as liberal in any way.

Up until recently I thought it was Republicans who were the bad guys. They still do their share of the dark stuff. But the Obama/Clinton contest opened my eyes.

I am still astonished by how people can thoroughly hate and repeatedly insult somebody they know not at all just because that person is a threat to the election of their chosen one.

On forum after forum the only person who is regularly called names is Palin. Obama is sometimes accused of being a muslim, communist etc but the routine hatred is one reason why I will be delighted if such people wake up on 5 November to find that Sarah Palin is thier VP.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@MN

Nice, I'm glad to see that you are living up to your image. I wonder if I can get the debate fee live from C-SPAN or if I'll have to pop in during the lulls to see what is going on.

On that note I guess I'll wander over to CSPAN see if they can hook me up.

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IndependentThinker:

Just-released Rasmussen polls

NM : O 55 / M 42
MA : O 62 / M 34
Kansas : O 41 / M 54
IL : O 56 / M 39`

I like the NM one, a state won by Bush 4 years ago that justifies the McCain's SURGE :-)

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup, surprised you recognized Palin behind all that facade. We are not going to talk about character vis-a-vis her recent abuse of power findings by the GOP-dominated AK legislature panel. We are not going to talk about those inside the beltway conservative types who came out against her. We are not going to talk about several National Review columnists (and Buckley jr who lost his job over her) who came out against her. We are not going to talk about Atlantic Monthly that out and out called her a "terrifying ignoramus". These are all the latte drinking Georgetown conservatives.

But that leaves us back with Bill Bennett, Dan Quayle and Alan Keys. Wait, did Alan Keys endorse her yet?

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wakeup:

Sarah palin is middle-America, her and Joe Wurzelbacher. Obama... he has to count how many times he says "middle America" in a debate.

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ticketstub:

@Observer

Re: Palin

First off, I think the main thing the Palin pick did was rally the base. But the base isn't enough to win, this time.

The second thing the pick did, I think, is show that the Republicans have no idea what the word "feminist" means. They seem to think it is synonymous with "female." It isn't. There are a lot of male feminists and a lot of female anti-feminists, one of whom is Palin. THAT'S why women and feminists aren't flocking to her, she stands for just about the opposite of every feminist and pro-woman ideal there is.

Thirdly...I think Palin will lose McCain NH and FL. As someone who was born and raised in NH, she is NOT the type of candidate they like up there. And in Florida, she went over like a lead balloon. The damage she did in those two states (not to mention non-socially conservative independents) could very well cost McCain the election. THAT will be her legacy.

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wakeup:

MN,
You forgot James Brooks from the NYT.
Abuse of power? A governor should be allowed to fire employees. Well maybe not in a socialist system of gov't.

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup, glad to see you sticking to your

"Palin did collect the conservatives, trust me."

and

"Character is an important attribute"

talking point in light of all those conservatives who did come out against her. And the recent legislative findings. And the ones still out there.

Or, are you not sticking with them?

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ticketstub:

@Observer

Also, if you haven't seen Obama "called names" like what you're complaining about has happened to Palin, you haven't been paying even the slightest bit of attention.

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mirrorball:

I'll post it again, though I'm sure it won't make a difference. Here's FactCheck.org's examination of the birth certificate, with photos.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

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DTM:

I think there are lots of reasons to legitimately criticize Palin's qualifications and her character, but I also agree there is a fringe element that has criticized Palin inappropriately. The thing is, I don't understand why it makes sense to hope an unqualified and unethical person will end up serving in the role of emergency backup President, just to spite some fringe.

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wakeup:

They genius behind the Palin pick, which the media fails to see, is that she is Obama. Palin is Obama, Obama is Palin. The only difference is that Obama has been doing it for two years and Palin for two months... oh the other difference is the media.

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup, i also forgot george will, but that is not the point, is it? lol.

"Abuse of power? A governor should be allowed to fire employees. Well maybe not in a socialist system of gov't."

well, wakeup, you and i know that, being reasonable adults and all. but for some reason the Alaska republicans somehow beg to differ. perhaps they know something we do not, or are you, sir, calling them socialist? or worse? and if you indite Alaska republicans, are you not then inditing the republican party of the United States and the whole country in general?! well, i, for one, am not going to sit around and let you badmouth the United States of America!

Cheer up, wakeup, there is no way in hell you are going to out-troll yours truly. i was trolling the internet before mccain invented the cell phone

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Viperlord:

I'm sure this won't matter to that brainwashed moron wakeup, but once again http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008. Brian Moore is as close to a socialist as you get. And Obama isn't even close to him. In fact, McCain is way closer to fascism than Obama is to socialism. I guess abuse of power is welcome in a fascist government. (The panel investigating Palin's power abuse was pre-dominantly Republican, so your propaganda is as laughable as it is irrelevant.)

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ticketstub:

@wakeup

Again, this has been the right's line for a while. And it doesn't work. You can't have your "She's the same as Obama!" and eat your "She has more experience than Obama!" too.

The fact of the matter is that, until very recently, Palin has had zero interaction on the foreign affairs OR national political fronts. She's in the midst of an ethical scandal, and still, after weeks of being in the spotlight, has not shown an adequate grasp of any major issue (with the possible exception of energy.)

Obama, however, has shown that, agree with him or not, he understands what we're talking about when we talk about issues and is able to commuicate and discuss them in a way that Palin has not come close.

That's the difference.

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Viperlord:

Genius? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! The least qualified VP pick in history who has done nothing but make a fool of herself in interviews, and had a negative impact on voters? Only in a Republican America folks!

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wakeup:

MN,
Brooks of the NYT is a phony, did you hear what he said about Palin?
I am also calling ACORN to see if I can cast a vote for Coleman.

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Viperlord:

That last statement destroyed what little credibility you had left.

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Viperlord:

Correction: My comment should have been negative impact on undecided/independent voters.

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ticketstub:

@ wakeup

Brooks isn't a phony. He said what he thought about Palin. That just makes him honest. Sometimes, it seems Republicans have a hard time with that difference.

Also, has ANYONE got statistical evidence that Palin helped McCain? The bump after the convention was a CONVENTION bounce. It happens every 4 years. We can't say that was because of her...more people watched his speech than hers.

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wakeup:

MN,
It was the blackberry... anyway
ticketstub,
Obama's foreign policy experience???

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bmrKY:

"boomshak:
@NW Patrick:

And only 1.5 million are fraudulent."

After what you ASSHOLES pulled in Florida in 2000, you are in ABSOLUTELY NO position to talk about voter fraud.

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KipTin:

Just checking in to read the latest. Why is Obamanation STILL obsessing about Palin? Very weird.
-------
Hey... maddiekat... When you accuse me of "cherry picking" polls, how about pointing out where you think I did such? Because I did not. Quit attacking with false accusations.

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Viperlord:

And I have yet to hear how these false registration forms will vote. This is nothing unusual, except perhaps the amount of false registrations that ACORN flagged, and the Republicans seized their chance to try and steal the election again.

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ticketstub:

@wakeup

Senate Committee on Foreign Relations
Senate subcomittee on European Affairs

And, I would say, that 4 years as a Senator inevitably gives you more experience with national and foreign issues than any number of years as Wasilla mayor or governor of the state with the 4th smallest population. But I guess you and I can disagree on that.

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DTM:

Palin is basically a neocon/Religious Right mirror image of their caricature of Obama (as opposed to the actual Obama). In that sense, I think they may have fooled themselves with their own attack lines on Obama, and therefore dramatically miscalculated what it would take to duplicate his success.

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Viperlord:

Actually the only people obsessing about Palin have been marctx and wakeup, and we're just shooting them down.

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MNlatteliberal:

Kip, I heart Palin with all my liberal heart.
I am obsessed with her because she is my ace-in-the-hole insurance that this Presidential race is not only a landslide, but also provides Obama with coattails enough to ensure several more seats in the US Senate. Hopefully, enough for 59 + a certain socialist from Vermont.

Now, I ask you, how can you not obsess about Palin when your hopes of her are THIS high?

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup, i know mccain's camp is calling it a blackberry, but i am generous enough to give him the whole cell thing. there, i just gave it to him. mccain, the inventor of cell phone, fire and, of course, the wheel. and he is still going down. what's WRONG with this electorate?!

LMAO

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bmrKY:

Hey boomwake/sleep, since you're on here I was wondering what your take is on McCain's SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES? Why won't McCain come clean with the American people about his ties to SADDAM LOBBYISTS? Can we trust John SIDNEY McCain to keep us safe from ISLAMIC TERRORISTS and DICTATORS? Can we trust this man to tell us the TRUTH about his SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES? Or will he continue on down this road by appointing even more LOBBYISTS to his cabinet who have ties to ISLAMIC MILITANT DICTATORS? I just don't know if I can trust John McCain after this revelation about his SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES. Does John McCain support sleeper cell TERRORISTS taking over the United States? Why would he appoint a SADDAM LOBBYIST to head up his transition team? Only time will tell if McCain really thinks LOBBYISTS for SADDAM are the best people to have in his administration. God help us all if he appoints cabinet members who have LOBBIED for ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORISTS and DICTATORS!

We must demand that McCain release MORE information about his EXTREMIST ties to SADDAM LOBBYISTS! He MUST tell us the truth as to whether or not he will continue to appoint LOBBYISTS for ISLAMIC EXTREMIST TERRORISTS and DICTATORS to his administration, should he be elected. God help us if John SIDNEY McCain appoints even MORE LOBBYISTS for ISLAMIC EXTREMISTS such as SADDAM! Can we trust John SIDNEY McCain? I just don't know anymore.

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BOOMFAIL:
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wakeup:

ticketsub,
you just identified 24 people as having enough foreign policy experience to be president... although all you really need is to be 35 and a US born citizen.

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MNlatteliberal:

wakeup, are you suggesting that Obama is younger than 35? Or that being born of American mother is not enough to be naturally born US citizen?

Just curious. In any case, I am moving my media operations to a newer thread. See you kids there.

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wakeup:

Debate approaching... I bet Ayers comes up after 30 min mark.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@MNlatteliberal

You have to be born in the USA...Obama was born in Kenya...his grandmother insists on it.

His birth certificate is a forgery...which I believe is also a felony.

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MNlatteliberal:

alankeysisawesome, where does it say that you have to be born in the USA? I always thought that being born of a US citizen parent was sufficient. Barry Goldwater, for example, was not born in the United States and still ran as the GOP nominee. Please explain.

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bmrKY:

SADDAM LOBBYISTS heading up his transition team, 133 LOBBYISTS running his campaign or raising money for him, old school KEATING POLITICS...

Can we TRUST John McCain to keep us safe and to tell us the truth about the SHADY characters in his life? Your guess is as good as mine.

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Pat:

@wakeup,

You said .... "They genius behind the Palin pick, which the media fails to see, is that she is Obama. Palin is Obama, Obama is Palin. The only difference is that Obama has been doing it for two years and Palin for two months... oh the other difference is the media".

The difference is Obama is very intelligent and well-informed and Palin is quite stupid and un-informed.

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bmrKY:

"wakeup:
Debate approaching... I bet Ayers comes up after 30 min mark."

Is McCain going to tell us the TRUTH about his SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES? I sure hope he sets the record straight. I would hate for anyone to be swayed to Obama just because McCain failed to discuss/acknowledge his SADDAM LOBBYIST TIES.

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liz from NJ:

As a professional woman who work hard to be recognized for the quality of the work, the experience, expertise, and achievement, I was totally appled by Palin pick.

Up to that point, I had high regard for McCain though I would vote for him because of the differences in beliefs and directions.

After his Palin pick, I was totally turned off by him. I realized this is what he thinks of women! Just like his trophy wife, he picked a trophy VP. He thinks women are so stupid that we will just vote for any woman sinmply because we share the plumbing detail. He would have never picked a male version of Palin: if he wanted to "appease" the religious fanatic base, he would have chosen a mature male fanatic.

I completely agree with David Brooks - that Palin is a fatal cancer to the Rep party. She embodies the worst elements of the Republican party: the distain for mind, comtempt for diversity, and exhortation of mediocrity in the name of "common people".

Would you want your brain surgeon to be a "mediocre" Joe Blow just like you??? Why would you want a President or a Vice President who shoulders the responsibility for caring for this complex nation in an increasingly dangerous world to be mediocre just like the Joe Sixpack???

No offense to Joe Six Pack. He has his own virtue. I have a Ph.D., and MBA, but I don't think I should run the country - I am NOT good enough! It takes the very best of us to guide us in this crazy world.

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liz from NJ:

Uh........ some typos in my post earlier. Also, I would "NOT" have voted for McCain because of ......

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bmrKY:

Good lord McCain, not this "If he would've only agreed to my town hall proposal..." BS again.

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bmrKY:

Now McCain's playing the victim card!

Oh- and now Obama's the one with the "most negative ads in history." What a freaking lying loser.

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bmrKY:

McCain exagerating the size of his crowds- AGAIN!

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bmrKY:

McCain exagerating the size of his crowds- AGAIN!

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Joalpepo:

Speaking of McCain's (and Boomshak's) exaggererations, they both made it sound as if Obama had committed some major gaffe in his conversation with Joe the plumber. If you watch the actual conversation on CNN (linked below), you'll see Obama explain his plan's tax impact on Joe with great reason and empathy. By the end of the conversation, even though Joe may still not vote for Obama, he clearly respected Obama's reasoning and motives. Here's the link:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/15/sot.obama.joe.the.plumber.cnn

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Joalpepo:

exaggerations*

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Joalpepo:

sorry, typo: should be "exaggerations"

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ticketstub:

@wakeup

Ah, no, I didn't point to 24 people with enough foreign policy experience to be president. I pointed to 24 people with significantly more foreign policy experience than Sarah Palin. And I answered your question about Obama's experience. Now...how about the same question gets applied to Sarah Palin?

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