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US: Obama 53, McCain 44 (ABCPost-10/16-19)

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ABC News / Washington Post
10/16-19/08; 1,336 LV, 2.5%
Mode: Live Telephone Interviews
(ABC, Post)

National
Obama 53, McCain 44

 

Comments
IndependentThinker:

@boom****

Go through the below link and show me the evidence that 2 weeks before the 2004 election day Kerry was ahead by 10 in battleground states SUCH AS VA,OH,CO,IA,FL,NC,NV,PA,MI,WI,MN,MO etc
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry_sbys.html

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m913:

Outlier? Or trend?

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alankeyesisawesome:

Let the record show that McCain's standing has IMPROVED SIGNIFICANTLY over the last poll numbers.

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deeznutsrepubs:

who cares - it is all about the evs - so the state polls matter WAY more....nationals just flucate within their MOE + noise.


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m913:

@alan...

Which "last poll" do you mean? The ABC/Post poll of 9/22, where McCain was at 43?

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Eternal:

@ Alan,

Really?
-------------O--M--N-B
10/19/08 53 44 1 1 2
10/11/08 53 43 1 1 2
9/29/08 50 46 * 2 2
9/22/08 52 43 * 1 3
9/7/08 47 49 1 1 3
8/22/08 49 45 * 2 4
7/13/08 49 46 1 2 2
6/15/08 47 48 1 2 2

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drinkwine247:

Hard Work Hard Work Hard Work, and f- Michelle Bachmann!

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DTM:

@m913

I'd go with neither--it is on the high side of the current national polls, but not so much that I would call it an outlier. And to the extent there has been a slight tightening in the national numbers lately, this poll is consistent with that trend.

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BOOMFAIL:

Great Day so far for Obama!!

And yes, MN, PLEASE get rid of that C U Next Tuesday Bachmann!!!

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asquared:

Why do you guys respond to AlanKeyes like he is serious? He is clearly satirizing Boom's of the board.

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joethedummer:

where is boomcrack?
does he know officially only come out when mcsame has a tiny surge?

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gdva2008:

Dear alankeyesisawesome; what polls and what improvements are you talking about. Do you even follow what is happening in states like VA? Did you check Gallup today?

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Cho:

Ras:

Colorado: O +5
Ohio: M +2

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kerrchdavis:

@joethedummer

he's chicken ****, just like his candidate Palin who's afraid of doing interviews. Joe the Plumber did more interviews in 1 day than Palin has done since she accepted the nomination.

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Mike:

I've always wondered that too. AlanKeyes is clearly making fun of the blind conservatives...

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jeepdad:

alankeysisawesome is a Dem mole, people.

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abraxaf:

alankeyes is the most obvious troll ever. I don't know why anyone responds to him. Boomshak on the other hand I think is earnest, albeit completely insane.

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oicu:

People, quoting facts at alan is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It's a wasted effort.

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Rollin08:

@BOOMFAIL:

Yeah, I'm really starting to see it lately!.. :)

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AdamSC:

You guys have got to realize that the ONLY time John McCain was leading was directly AFTER his Republican convention, and that was only for a solid week. Since then Obama has been leading by 3-4 points on average until the last two weeks when he has began to open his 6-10 point leads in recent polls.

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...and the states start following the national trend....

Hide your razorblades. Better yet, keep them handy.

FL: 8 point swing for McCain!

RASMUSSEN:
"The biggest change is found in Florida where it’s now essentially even with McCain at 49% and Obama at 48%. A week ago, Obama was up by five points and the week before he held a seven-point lead. The current polling shows McCain’s support at its highest level since mid-September. "

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mandalorianarmy:

Rasmussen polls are up:

Florida: O 48, M 49
Ohio: O 47, M 49
North Carolina: O 51, M 48
Missouri: O 49, M 44
Colorado: O 51, M 46

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chesirecat47:

Ras

NC: O+3!!!!
FL: M+1
OH: M+2

Great NC #s. Coupled with VA earlier in the day, looks like they could possibly seal the deal

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jonny87:

big swing with indies in florida

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mandalorianarmy:

Unfortunately Joe, if Obama wins Virginia he doesn't need Florida. Maybe you should hide your plunger or hide your income from the IRS or whatever it is you do.

I voted for Barack today in early voting in Florida. We will take this state.


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Som12H8:
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Indiana4Obama:

Look at the Missouri poll...Obama up 5, an improvement of 3 pts. Seems like the NC and MO polls are moving in opposite directions of FL/OH...either way, it's good news for Obama!

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kerrchdavis:

Of the 6 states McCain MUST win, he is losing 4 by statistically significant numbers and tied in the other two. He's in big trouble.

2 weeks to go guys! lets finish him off!

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BridgeportJoe:

...and the states start following the national trend....

Hide your razorblades. Better yet, keep them handy.

Yes, Rasmussen publishes polling today that looks to give Obama a 312-226 EV win. I'm sure Democrats are slitting their wrists about now.

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laguna_b:

I don't buy such a big swing in Florida.....McCain will end thier Social Security and cast em into the streets...they know it and they vote it...

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JoeThePlumber:

RAS polls in BG states show a shift to McCain.
Read and weep.

And that is before the Gaffe Meister Joes "Gird your loins" fiasco.

Love ya Joe!

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Indiana4Obama:

The interesting thing about MO and NC is how well OBama did there in the primaries. They probably like their chances in MO/NC as much if not better than FL/OH.

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kerrchdavis:

@Joe

lol. +3 to Obama in NC and +10 to Obama in VA shows a shift to McCain? lol! your candidate is done, buddy. 300,00+ have already voted in NC.

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JoeThePlumber:

Joe Biden:

"I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."


PRICELESS

THANK YOU JOE!

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laguna_b:

"Unfortunately Joe, if Obama wins Virginia he doesn't need Florida. Maybe you should hide your plunger or hide your income from the IRS or whatever it is you do."

Neither the real bous Joe the Plumber nor our fake one makes enough to pay much taxes....and surely would pay less when we win....make it easier to buy a new used sofa for the lawn...

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vmval1:

@JoeThePlumber:

Wow... you really are an idiot.

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Viperlord:

I am pretty happy with the results of today, though FL made me raise my eyebrows a little. Odd, but I don't think anyone can truly say for certain which way FL will go.

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PortlandRocks:

I'm relaxed. The beauty of Obama's strategy. He can lose OH and FL, the states that brought us Bush twice and STILL win 300+ votes in the college.

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Mike:

Ras:
Ohio M+2
Florida M+1
NC O+3
CO O+5
MO O+5

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Ryguy:

i love how desperate the republicans on this site are! so funny!

so lets see here, obamas got the kerry states locked up (good luck with PA mccain). thats 253. hes got iowa and new mexico in his pocket. he needs literally one more state to win. and you republicans are here jumping for joy that your guy is leading by a point in ohio and florida (in this poll at least).

go ahead and look the other way about missouri, north carolina, nevada, virginia, and oh yeah... colorado which looks to be pretty much locked up too. once election day is over you wont be able to look the other way.

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political_junki:

JoeThePlumber is the same as boomshak.
He doesnt even have the balls to post with his old id anymore. That is the conservatives for you, cowardly pussies :)
Pathetic boom.

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kerrchdavis:

lol, its awesome that these stupid repubs think McCain still has a chance. Keep putting your money into the presidential race and ignore the congressional races fools...lol.

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straight talk:

Don't worry Dems! If you have been paying attention to early voting in FL. HE is going to carry Florida. Ohio maybe not! I will take Mo, NC., and Va. Remember if Coloroda Goes Blue! It is over anyway! But Great news for Obama Supporters and slim hope for McCain supporters!

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fed:

remember suffolk had Obama +9 today in OH

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PortlandRocks:

1 pollster shows Obama down 1. ONE.
The average is still + Obama around 3%. Rasmussen is a good pollster but not the ONLY pollster. Another OH poll today shows Obama plus 9. McCain has to hope the turn out is at '04 #'s or below for ANY chance. Losing MO? Cmon'! LOL

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muckinello:

I take Ras numbers. They move on both ways here and there. The key is that McSame has to win all of them and he is not making any headway.

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Viperlord:

Yeah, VA and CO alone easily guarantee victory. President Obama. Get used to it.

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BarackO'Clinton:

CO and VA are the only states that matter.

The rest is just icing.

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saywhat90:

flroida is the only poll that rended mccain in a rasmussen poll. that is one and i mean one poll in many. and the fact of the matter is florida is not an obam must need state it is for mccain and as well the 4 of the 6 which have obama leading. colorado has been steady and missouri mccain was leading so what state trend. in fact a tightening does not mean that mccain will make a comeback. just means the race is stablizing to where the numbers really stand period.

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mysticlaker:

I think Florida is close....

I also think Florida is going to Obama, but having a great close poll is good for the Dems. It will keep them motivated.

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Ryguy:

actually its just CO or VA are the only states that matter. he only needs one... and hes leading sizeably in both.

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JoeThePlumber:

RAS doesn't have new numbers for VA. You can bank on one +10 poll but that seems a little selective.

Go to RASMUSSENREPORTS.COM and check out all of the BG states posted today.

You can't realistically think this is in the bag. Bidens gift will only help numbers for McCain.

Also, I love how you guys attack Joe the Plumber. It is exactly why most of America finds you elitists repulsive. Are you afraid of Joe? Afraid his message of anti-socialism may hurt your cause? No one cares that he only makes $40K or that he is behind on taxes. You are attacking the man because you can' attack the message.

Obama peaked on the 14th. We'll see if he holds on or if dms snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

(I am not BOOM although I do think he is an honorable American)

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deeznutsrepubs:

HEY REPUBS:

TICK-TOCK

TICK-TOCK

TICK-TOCK

TICK-TOCK

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saywhat90:

also if the trend is mccain why after rcp purged the older polls did the rcp go back to near the 6.1 avg obama had before the purge.

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boomshak:

MSM news-leading propaganda outlier.

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1503er:

Kerry was up by 10 points in NM on this day in 2004. Lets not get ahead of ourselves.

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KipTin:

If I remember rightly, ABC/WP poll uses is truly random and does not weight its political ID.

Any confirmation on that?

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TuftsPat:

Guys, I hope you all know that alankeyes is a sarcastic poster. He's funny.


Barring a miracle Obama seems to have this election. If he wins Kerry states + IA then he's at 259. I doubt he is going to lose all of Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Missouri, and Virginia (and possible Indiana/Georgia). And even if he loses every one of those he just has to win Colorado + New Mexico/Nevada/North Dakota/West Virginia/Montana.

However, I'd like to know why Obama is polling so much worse in Florida lately. It worries me because if Obama loses the white female vote in FLA he might also start to lose it in GA/NC/MO.

But so far, so great!

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PortlandRocks:

JoeThePlumber the +10 Obama in VA is FROM TODAY IDIOT. We aren't elitist. We just are tired of stupid people electing Bush-like candidates. And we don't need to argue our cause with you, just look at the past 8 years.

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BridgeportJoe:

CNN is reporting that the McCain campaign is writing off Colorado. I suspect that they see internal polling saying that although the margin isn't huge (maybe 5-7 points), just about everybody has made up their minds, and negative advertising pushes as many people to Obama as it causes to abandon him.

In any event, if that's true, then they are screwed. Their choices become: (1) flip NH to force an EV tie that Obama probably wins, or (2) flip another Kerry state where Obama is probably up double digits at this point.

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davidsfr:

ABC/Wapo now has a tracking poll, I predicted 12 daily trackers by election day. GWUB isn't daily, but I will count it regardless:

Rasmussen
Gallup
Hotline
R2K/Kos
Zogby
GWUB
IBD/Tipp
ABC/Wapo

That makes 8. Fox news also does a tracking poll just before the election. If we can get 3 more I will have been right!

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Indiana4Obama:

Kerry may have been up in NM, but did Bush abandon the state as Mccain has done?

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IndependentThinker:

While I concede that it seems there's a shift in FL I don't see how it's good news for McCain when, as per Ras, he's losing MO and CO(by a comfortable margin), NC even though OH is tied (it was also tied 1 week ago)

The truth is McTitanic is not sicking as fast as expect but still sinking and I still don't understand how some people have the audacity to spin that

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mandalorianarmy:

I believe that you aren't Boom Joe.

Boom would at least realize Ras posted a Virginia poll at noon today.

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political_junki:

Hey boom you are back with this id :)
It is funny how you try to post two different messages with 2 mins in between to prove you and joeThePlumber are not the same :)))
Pathetic man, pathetic.

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Commander_King:

I live in West Virginia.I know Joe the Plumber's type.He is nothing more than a damn redneck who took a stab at attacking Obama for 15 minutes of fame.Thats it...he's nothing more than a damn hick.

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iVote:

The Rasmussen numbers imply that VA, MO, CO, and NC are breaking for Obama (VA in particular), while McCain has pulled even with Obama in OH and FL. Remember though, McCain was able to slightly narrow Obama's lead nationally last week, so these polls are likely to reflect that. However, based on today's national polls, it seems like Obama has been able to stop McCain's momentum, and has even possibly gained some ground. If the trend continues, future state polls will probably reflect this. FL and OH are good news for McCain, but another OH poll today had O +9.

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PortlandRocks:

Boomshak are you still sitting on your ass while McCain continues to sink in NC?

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boomshak:

ONE SEC ON THE RASMUSSEN NUMBERS:

Don't these have a MOE of like 4.5%? In the past he has used pretty small samples for his state polls.

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Michael:

CO and VA would be overkill...Obama wins all Kerry states easily-

252 Electoral Votes

He picks up Iowa eaily - 7 votes (259)

Virginia alone then gives him 272

Colorado alone gives him 268 - just need NM in that case (which he probably easily picks up, especially if he wins CO).

So, seriously, what is McCain's map to victory???

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straight talk:

If Obama Wins Colorado! THis race will be a landslide! Remember kerry states+ NM + IA+Co= 273. He has 264 locked already! W/t rumblings of Gop giving up on Co and NM. VA +NC+MO=39EVs. 300+ for Obama is not out of the realm of possiblility! Heck He is purchasing all of the primetime spots, ads, and He has over 150mil+ in the Bank. McCain only has 47+. Repubs be afraid be very afraid! Dems don't forget to vote!

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political_junki:

@boom:
tables of RASS say +/-3% error margin

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TuftsPat:

Michael: "So, seriously, what is McCain's map to victory???"

Michael, the only way I can see a McCain victory is some major occurrence in the next 2 weeks (i.e. Bush captures Bin Laden, major foreign/domestic terrorist attack, Bin Laden tape, domestic attack just stopped in time) or some major Obama screw up, in which case the numbers would shrink fast and go towards McCain.

Other than that, all Obama has to do is GOTV to win.

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deeznutsrepubs:

JOE-

YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

First - Wasn't it socialism when mccrap voted for the bailout bill??? Hmmmm??? Yeah, that's what I thought. All obama wants to do is retract the bush tax cuts for those over $250K. That's it. Now, I know all you greedy corrupt repubs want tax cuts to go to your corporate friends, but we are going to have a man of the people in office. Your days of letting the rich run wild are OVER.

Joe the plumber is just too effing stupid to realize that obama is better for him too. Did you see Joe's stupid opinions on the news?? Good God, the idiot wants to privatize Social Security. And this was after the economic collapse!! What a retard. And guess what, the stupid ass repubs want him to run for Congress!! ROFLMAO!! It's like they try and find the DUMBEST ass-clown around and then nominate him for public office - that would explain our current retard-in-chief.


Repubs - you tards shouldn't even bother voting. You idiots gave us 8 years of Bush. ARE YOU NOT EMBARRASSED? Do you not feel guilty? PATHETIC!

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lhtk:

Actually, Kerry won 251 EVs in 2004 -- but the point is the same. 251 + IA (7) = 258. Then just, say, VA (13) puts him over. Or NM (5) and CO (9). That simplifies it for me. The rest would just be gravy. Love the MO numbers. I keep going back and forth between conservative and greedy . . .

Would like to see more FL polls. BOY, I SO MUCH want BO to win both FL & OH if at all possible. I guess just thinking about those last two presidential elections . . . I think he might just get a hair of help from the Powell endorsement in both those states. We'll see.

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jonny87:

Michael,

win PA. the only way mccain has a chance of overturning a double digit deficit in PA is if they bring wright out. guess thats why there rethinking there no wright policy

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PJ_FFM:

If I'm not mistaken, then moneywise, the main problem for both campaigns is to get as much cash available on hand to them as possible *by thursday*, because they have to buy ad time somewhat in advance and thursday more or less is the last day for strategic decisions on airtime.

After that, it'll be all about the "ground game", getting out the vote and turnout, as the ads will be running more or less on autopilot.

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katocat:

Hey Joe,

Why not go to intrade and put all your money on a McCain win and make a fortune?!!!

(LMAO)

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political_junki:

jonny87:
I agree. He will bomb PA with wright stuff in the last week in the hope of turning it. But I dont know how the indies in other place will react?
Also Kerry states - PA + CO + NV + NM + VA is still enough (Not takinginto account NC which goes red at the end probably (or not?)... )

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saywhat90:

first of being a dem is not being elitist. that stuff is nonsensical and really in all honesty an insult. if you put someone out there as the hero of your party then you better make sure his tights are clean, that goes for both parties. wht is being questioned here is that joe the plumber went out of his way(he came to barack and not bartack to him) to claim something he honestly was not in position to do. he was not buying a business, he was a not a licensed plumber and he was not going to make 250k or will be making 250k in the future. i and others have every right to qeustion the credibility of anyone who present himself as something he never really was or may not be. i would do the same if it was found out gen powell was not a general.or if obama turned out to be not a senator. but bottom line he put it out there he has to back it up period. same as any average american has to do.

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political_junki:

jonny87:
I agree. He will bomb PA with wright stuff in the last week in the hope of turning it. But I dont know how the indies in other place will react?
Also Kerry states - PA + CO + NV + NM + VA + IA is still enough (Not takinginto account NC which goes red at the end probably (or not?)... )

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straight talk:

Florida reports or saying that AA and young voters turnout was present at the polls today. Who do you think that they voted for? I believe that the youth are going to put Obama in the white house.

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Ryguy:

if its true that mccain has given up CO than this is basically the equivalent of mccain giving the football back to obama with a minute left, and obama having to just take a knee.

VA, NC, MO, FL, OH, and all other battleground states become moot points if CO finds its way into Obamas pocket.

mccain is pulling all of his forces to PA now? thats just about check mate.

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fed:

Bringing Wright out is dangerous. McCain said it was out of bounds a few months ago. It might please the republican base,but dangerous with independents

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TuftsPat:

Winning PA probably wouldn't even do it for McCain.

If Obama wins Kerry states + IA - PA, then he'd have to win:

CO, NV, NM, VA/MO/NC

or he could just win NM and FL, which would give him 270 exactly.

or OH, CO, NM/NV

bottom line is that Obama has 100x more roads to victory than McCain

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Jeff:

I think it's very possible the national popular vote will be within 2 or 3%. McCain is running up the score in the deep red states. He's winning his safe states by a larger margin. I bet if you do the math Obama winning 70% of the battleground states by an average of 2-3% would still result in McCain being within 5% in the national vote. When you're winning states by 30% it really adds up in the national vote. Unfortunately for McCain you get the same number of EVs if you win by 1% or win by 35%.

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kerrchdavis:

@1503er

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/Presidential_04/nm_polls.html

please point out where Kerry had a 10 point lead in NM.

please.

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JoeThePlumber:

Sorry Boom. They still think I'm you.

Boom is much smarter than me. (I am a dumb plumber) I have watched the loons attack Boom for a long time now and he always keeps his cool.

You can ignore my comments, I am just here to have fun and irritate all of you rabid hippies. Your responses have been quite entertaining. For some reason you guys seem a little nervous about this election which cracks me up. Obama should be ahead by 20 now but it remains within reach for McCain. Especially if Biden keeps running his mouth and scares everyone back to McCain. This is much closer than most of you want to beleive and you know it is true or you wouldn't be checking these sites every night.

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jonny87:

political_junki,

it would look desperate but that doesnt mean it wont neccessarily work. plus im sure theyll make every white guy in PA know that wright recently had an affair with a married white woman. if there going to go after wright then wont care how dirty it gets.

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TuftsPat:

Another possible McCain victory is flipping MN and WI, if at all possible, in which case Obama would win VA + CO + NM (with IA) and still lose. Obama would also have to lose OH,MO,FL,NC,IN,GA,WV,ND, and MT.

Still highly doubtful though.

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political_junki:

@jonny87:
I agree it looks desperate but well, if McSame really can pull it off in PA with O+10 then that is one of the only ways to win for Obama without winning OH, PA and FL. That would also be unique in recent history...But it is all based on assuming that McCain can erase a double digit Obama lead in PA.

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TuftsPat:

JoeThePlumber: "Obama should be ahead by 20 now but it remains within reach for McCain."

Why? You're telling me a junior senator who just was in college when McCain was in the senate for a lifetime, whose middle name is Hussein, whose father was Muslim, who is black, who has a wife with unfavorability ratings, and is smeared by all and linked to terrorists, this guy should be up 20 points?

Don't be mad that Mac isn't back anymore. Your boy let you down. Bottom line.

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iVote:

@ Jeff

I don't know if I buy your argument about McCain just running up his numbers in deep red states. Is Obama not running up his score in deep blue states too? I think they probably just cancel out and the modest shift is taking place in red-leaning battlegrounds like Florida, Ohio, and West Virginia.

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political_junki:

@kerrchdavis:
Thanx for the old link.

On a seperate issue from your poll, it is amazing that Zogby has had all these years to pull his **** together and still 4 years later his polls are one of the most unreliable polls...I mean seriously, in the last 4 years has he tried to improve his polls even a little bit? They are all over the place.

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lhtk:

So Ryguy, you're including NM in the states Obama has safely? I would agree, in any case. If so, yeah, no CO for McCain means b'bye for McCain.

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jonny87:

political_junki,

theres not much early voting in PA, just a small number of absentee ballots.

im guessing they'd bring wright out after obamas 30 min commercial(like how they brought palin out after obamas great speech). it would be pretty close to the elecion, little time for obama to get a response together and they wouldnt have an early vote deficit to overcome.

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Ryguy:

exactly lhtk. mccain doesnt spend much time in new mexico these days, which tells me that its not competitive. not only that but the rcp average is enough to lead me to believe this state is out of play. with that said, anything could happe, but id bet that new mexico is obamas. you add iowa and new mexico to kerrys numbers and that leave him needing one more state to win it. if that state is CO so be it. id be just as happy with any one of the other 8 or so states that he could win as well, but CO sounds good to me.

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political_junki:

jonny87:
That is what I think, but I am not convinced that can switch a 10 point lead...We will have to wait and see I guess.
And knowing Obama's campaign, they probably have a counter-plan for this already. If we can predict this now, they probably have seen it coming for a long time...

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TJIRISH34:

Drinkwine Michelle Bachmann is an idiot. Not for just her comments. The poll's, atmosphere etc... Clearly showing McCain is very likely going to lose. So obama will be President. If you are in congress next year and maybe have some issues you support. That you might need the President's help with in your district. Do you think it's a good idea going on TV and making such asinine comments. That Colin Powell used them in his reasons for endorsing Obama? Do you think that was an intelligent thing to do? Do you think Michelle helped her district? It's time to do some ass kissing Michelle. Notice alot of GOP congressional leaders that are not involved with election are keeping their mouths closed right now. They are going to have to deal with Obama with a weak hand. So someone in campaign found an idiot (Michelle) who doesn't get it. I will laugh my ass off if she loses. Oh yea that's right Michelle up for election and her DEM opponent just raised $500,000 plus after her comments. This woman is a moron. Not because of her rightish views. She is a moron for not having any political sense!!!!

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TJIRISH34:

Drinkwine Michelle Bachmann is an idiot. Not for just her comments. The poll's, atmosphere etc... Clearly showing McCain is very likely going to lose. So obama will be President. If you are in congress next year and maybe have some issues you support. That you might need the President's help with in your district. Do you think it's a good idea going on TV and making such asinine comments. That Colin Powell used them in his reasons for endorsing Obama? Do you think that was an intelligent thing to do? Do you think Michelle helped her district? It's time to do some ass kissing Michelle. Notice alot of GOP congressional leaders that are not involved with election are keeping their mouths closed right now. They are going to have to deal with Obama with a weak hand. So someone in campaign found an idiot (Michelle) who doesn't get it. I will laugh my ass off if she loses. Oh yea that's right Michelle up for election and her DEM opponent just raised $500,000 plus after her comments. This woman is a moron. Not because of her rightish views. She is a moron for not having any political sense!!!!

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whitetower:

The "youth" (I'm assuming the 18-24 age group is meant by this) aren't going to put anyone in the White House.

There simply aren't enough of them. In 1972, the first presidential election in which 18 year-olds could vote, 18-24 year-olds constituted 14% of voter turnout -- now they are 9%, and continuing to decline, even though their turnout rates are roughly the same as they were in 1972.

Even if every eligible 18-24 year-old turned out to vote -- that is, 100% of them -- there would still be 14 million fewer of them than 35-44 year-olds.

Soon, the 18-24 turnout will have to reach well over 70% just to maintain their roughly 10% portion of the overall turnout.

While not as severely so as Europe, the US is clearly an aging country. The future, decidedly, is not with "the youth."

http://www.civicyouth.org/PopUps/FactSheets/FS_Youth_Voting_72-04.pdf

http://www.census.gov/prod/2006pubs/p20-556.pdf


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Michael:

"Actually, Kerry won 251 EVs in 2004 -- but the point is the same. 251 + IA (7) = 258"

He won 252- he only was counted as 251 because of a faithless elector.

"Obama should be ahead by 20 now but it remains within reach for McCain."

you really think america was going to elect it's first black president in a landslide??

Seriously- Dukakis got almost 46% of the vote, McCain should get the same. Desn't surprise me one bit, and this military officer (not a hippie) isn't sweating it one bit.

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ThatMarvelousApe:

"The "youth" (I'm assuming the 18-24 age group is meant by this) aren't going to put anyone in the White House. "

I agree. Hispanics and women, on the other hand...

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Observer:


Interesting to see how party ID affects the poll results. I have taken the weighting figures from:
http://courses.ttu.edu/hdfs3390-reifman/weighting.htm

..................Weight...Current Result
Zogby.........D + 2.........O + 6
Hotline.......D + 3.........O + 5
GWU..........D + 4.........O + 4
Rasmussen.D +6.7.......O + 4
Dem Corps.D + 7.........O + 5
Kos.............D + 9.........O + 8

Now if all these polls used the Zogby weighting we would have something like:

Zogby...........O + 6
Hotline.........O + 4
GWU............O + 2
Kos................O + 1
Dem Corps...Level
Rasmussen...M + 0.7

On the other hand if everybody agreed with the Kos weighting we would have:

Zogby...........O + 13
Hotline.........O + 11
GWU............O + 9
Kos...............O + 8
Dem Corps...O + 7
Rasmussen...O + 6.3

Conclusion? Well at least 5 of these polls have the weighting wrong. I wonder which ones.

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political_junki:

By the way has anybody checked?
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

The teaser is VERY intriguing:
---------------------------------------------

MONDAY, OCTOBER 20, 2008
Florida and Indiana Clue
Here's one to let your heads spin until tomorrow: Obama is doing better in our Indiana poll than our Florida one.

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straight talk:

Yeah I know it might be logically to write off the youth vote as insignificant. But for a group that does not normally vote to actually go to the polls. Will push the numbers we are seeing now in the polls and show everyone how powerful the youth vote can potentionally be! Do not sleep on the you vote McCain Supportors an Obama supporters! If they show they could increase either candidate 2-3% And the Obama Campaign is smart to target them! That Could be the difference!

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TJIRISH34:

I love the latest news cycle. Media need to sell intertest in election. So tthey are cherry picking polls to show McCain is mmaking some headway. I can't wait to go vote this week. BTW if you on Northside Indianapolis. You can go vote early over by North Central HS on 10-23.

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BOOMFAIL:

"Florida kicked off early voting on Monday, with record crowds heading to the polls and voters waiting HOURS to cast their ballots."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081020/ap_on_el_pr/florida_early_voting#full

People are waiting in line hours to vote TWO WEEKS before the election! Think turnout is going to be high this time around??? With this level of enthusiasm, all momentum is behind Obama.

Every state that CAN vote early, should. The Rethugs will find a way to make voting on election day a nightmare!

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carl29:

My head hurts with all these polls :-)!!!!!

Remember that the most important poll is at the ballot box. I hope my opinion is counted; I hope everyone's opinion is counted. So, boys are girls as soon as you can get out and vote :-)

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Chester:

CNN is reporting that the McCain camp is losing hope in CO, which is surprising...I thought they would have lost hope in about 10 other states first!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

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alankeyesisawesome:

Well, this is pretty disgusting...liberals have shot a bear cub on the campus of Western Carolina University and stuck an Obama sign on it in a form of advertisement for the terrorist candidate. Absolutely disgusting and I know that the Obama campaign will lose the election because of this DESPICABLE act!

http://www.citizen-times.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081020/NEWS01/81020067

Palin/McCain 2008!

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Dan:

@political_junki
"The teaser is VERY intriguing"

no, that teaser scares me.

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carl29:

BOOMFAIL,

Long lines in Florida? Ask me! I voted this afternoon and it took me 3 hours in line to cast my ballot. The line was huge and people were there eager to cast their ballots :-)

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PlayingItStraight:

Before we get too carried away with all these numbers ... take some time and look at poll internals. I was concerned that somethings just don't add up. Not saying there's a conspiracy, but take some time to look at voting preference by race and extrapolate to a topline using census or state registration data. For instance, if you do that the recent DailyKos/R2K goes from Obama up to Obama down. Ras's Virginia goes from 10 to 4. There are others. DailyKos national runs a margin 2.9 - 3.4 pct lower than the published topline. My first thought was MOE for subgroups. But they always fall on one side of the line and often close to confidence interval.

Anyone else have thoughts on this. And I mean thoughts based on data not on what we think might happen.

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political_junki:

alankeyesisawesome:
I vote you as the most-fun-to-read-from poster on this forum. Even Boom can not compete with you :)

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political_junki:

alankeyesisawesome:
I vote you as the most-fun-to-read-from poster on this forum. Even Boom can not compete with you :)

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boomshak:

@political_junki:

PPP is a Democratic Pollster, the dem always leads in their polls.

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political_junki:

@Dan:
How about this
FL Obama McSame tied
IN Obama +1!
:)

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Dan:

@political_junki

I could live with that.

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Chester:

John King is reporting that the McCain camp is betting everything on PA... yes, PA!! Check this **** out!

http://thepage.time.com/john-king-on-cnn/

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carl29:

PlayingItStraight,

That's why I said, my head hurts will all these polls :-)!! I think that there are just WAY TOO MANY. After casting my ballot this afternoon, all I care about is actual people voting. I'll be working tireless for my candidate no matter what the polls say. Everyone should do the same for his or her candidate.

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political_junki:

@boom:
I wont disagree with you. They are maybe 1,2 points skewed towards DEMs. But they are not that off, compare their VA +8 with RAS +10. Or NC +7 with RASS +3.
Their results are also same as RASS in WV and CO. So even though I partially agree with you I think their results has to be taken seriously, unlike Zogby which is garbage.

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Chester:

NEW CBC POLL has 54% O to 41% M. It just keeps coming!


http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Oct08c-final.pdf

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Dan:

@carl29

Hey carl, you voted in Florida? I live in Fl too. Is there a guide or some source where I can learn about all those 'other' amendments on the ballots? I don't feel I'm educated enough on many of them to cast a logical vote.

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Chester:

NEW CBC POLL has 54% O to 41% M. It just keeps coming!


http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Oct08c-final.pdf

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Chester

The CBC? Why should we trust Obama to be ahead in the polling if that information is coming from the Canadians, who want us to share in their misery of socialized medicine by electing Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

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Chester:

@ alan,
it's a typo dumbass, check the url

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political_junki:

alankeyesisawesome:
"The CBC? Why should we trust Obama to be ahead in the polling if that information is coming from the Canadians, who want us to share in their misery of socialized medicine by electing Barack HUSSEIN Obama."

I have always believed best humor is unintended humor. You are a little low on IQ but man you could make the best stand up comedian, without an effort, just go up there and talk about politics.

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carl29:

Dan,

You know that there is not much information about the ammendments; however, I tried to research the ones I need it to know about.

The Marriage ammendment: Up to you
The first ammendment is one about property and non-citizen people: I voted for it. It is not opposed by anyone.
The ammendment about community colleges which I don't remember the number.

I don't know if there were more statewide, but that's all I remember at this moment.

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Commander_King:

This really is shocking to me.Not so much Iowa but I never thought McCain would give up on Colorado.

McCain Giving Up on Colorado
CNN reports Sen. John McCain's campaign is "making tough decisions" as it sees Colorado as well as New Mexico and Iowa no longer possible wins.

Instead, the campaign's "risky strategy" is counting on Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia, and a comeback in Pennsylvania.

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straight talk:

I am ready to call this race over! The narrative of the polls tightening are just propaganda. McCain is giving up on CO for PA! His Strategists are IDIOTS! And the polling sites in Fl are flooding with supporters of OBama!

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Commander_King:

This really is shocking to me.Not so much Iowa but I never thought McCain would give up on Colorado.

McCain Giving Up on Colorado
CNN reports Sen. John McCain's campaign is "making tough decisions" as it sees Colorado as well as New Mexico and Iowa no longer possible wins.

Instead, the campaign's "risky strategy" is counting on Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia, and a comeback in Pennsylvania.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Chester
Maybe it is a typo but my question still stands...Anyone else outraged that the Canadians
want us to share in their misery of socialized medicine by electing Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

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political_junki:

Commander_King:
It amazes me that they think PA is easier than CO. but they probably have different internals and for playing the race/wright card PA is ore suitable than CO

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Kile Thomson:

its not a CBC poll

its a CBS poll

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/Oct08c-final.pdf

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Commander_King:

Colorado has long been considered THE toss up state that could decide the race and now he has given up.So this is 4 states now including Michigan that they have publicly admitted defeat.

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Observer:

I think we have to put the CBS poll in a category of its own since it represents reinterviewing people polled last time. It does show a strong move to Obama but it is not a random poll but more like a panel.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Kile Thomson:

That is clear now, but I'm still not sure why Chester said it was a CBC poll...pretty confusing.

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political_junki:

@Observer:
I agree and it is amony only 500 people, meager for a national poll...

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Kile Thomson:

@alankeyesisawesome

he must be from Canada

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ThatMarvelousApe:

What is it with CampaignHome and this "Online100" bull**** on this site? It's always like:

"ONLINE100: MCCAIN GREAT!"

"ONLINE100: OBAMA SUCKS!"

Can Blumenthal get a more objective ticker thingy?

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Commander_King:

I don't care about their internals...the fact is every state you concede makes it that much harder to win.I can't possibly see a path to victory for McCain now.He has given up on too many states.They have backed theirselves into a corner.

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political_junki:

@Observer:
I agree and it is among only 500 people, meager for a national poll...

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straight talk:

Virgina is almost looking out of reach also. ANd i saw the 100,000+ crowd in MO. I think Obama will carry that state!

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Publius:

alankeyesisawesome

I'm with you!

The thought of people with health care appalls me, especially the 45 million or so who resist the market and remain uninsured.

The idea that adults who love each other should be able to get married is the most disgraceful thing I can think of.

Using tax money to pay for schools, roads, bridges, research and development, child care, and hospitals is atrocious.

To the ramparts! We must stop common sense at all costs!

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carl29:

political_junki,

After being a witness to the "Guliani debacle," I think that McCain has no where to go in PA. He must stay there because he already invested money, time, resources. There is no turning back now. This is another "all-or-nothing" gamble for McCain. He either wins it all there or loses all there.

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Commander_King:

Virginia may be out of reach for McCain but he sure as hell couldn't concede it.There would be nothing left at that point. O_o

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Kile Thomson

If he is canadian, that could explain the negativity and name-calling. I cannot think of one redeeming quality that Canada has.

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faithhopelove:

SWING STATE NEWSPAPER ENDORSEMENTS
(updated)

CO:
Obama 6
McCain 4

FL:
Obama 5
McCain 2

GA:
Obama 1
McCain 0

IN:
Obama 2
McCain 0

IA:
Obama 3
McCain 0

MI:
Obama 2
McCain 0

MO:
Obama 3
McCain 0

NH:
Obama 2
McCain 2

NM:
Obama 2
McCain 0

NV:
Obama 1
McCain 1

NC:
Obama 5
McCain 0

OH:
Obama 7
McCain 2

PA:
Obama 4
McCain 0

VA:
Obama 1
McCain 2

WV:
Obama 2
McCain 1

WI:
Obama 2
McCain 0

See:
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003875230

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Publius

While I do respect your battle cry, especially about the homosexual agenda, I do know sarcasm when I see it, and you are making a mockery of yourself.

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Indiana4Obama:

Is it possible that Mccain's campaign is even more aware than we are of Obama's ground game advantage and its impact on the election? It seems as if their internals are telling them what Obama's ground game might equate to in terms of votes and percentages, and thus making it unlikely for a Mccain victory in states like Colorado.

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vmval1:

This is SCREAMING Reverend Wright.

Look at the states where they think they can compete:

Florida
Nevada
North Carolina
Ohio
Virginia
Pennsylvania


These are ALL states (maybe with the exception of FL) where the whole Rev Wright issue will have traction. I think we'll be seeing Wright this time next week.

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mysticlaker:

what don't all of you understand? like ayers, wright already was vetted. like ayers, no one cares.

just read the top story. the attacks backfired.

http://www.cnn.com/

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Indiana4Obama:

Mccain needs to be careful w/ Wright...it could backfire and completely wipe out any chance he has. If he brings it up it's a telling sign that the Mccain campaign is beyond desperate.

I'm not sure Wright helps Mccain other than with his rabid base, which already appears to be coming home.

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political_junki:

carl29:
Agreed. Without PA it is really hard for me to see how McSame wins though...

@alankeyesisawesome:
Actually I think he was making a mockery of you and doing it pretty good as well.
Are you under treatment for masochism? Why do you insist on being humiliated by posting stupid posts?

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Commander_King:

The Obama campaign has decided to spend some of their money to help build bigger majorities in the senate and house and even on state levels since the Presidential race is all but over *knock on wood :)*

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vmval1:

@mysticlaker:

I disagree. Wright being vetted in a democratic primary season is VERY different to Wright being vetted in a presidential election.

@Indiana4Obama:
I think it will definitely give him traction in PA & Ohio - throw in some bitter and religion clinging, might make em both go his way.

Point is, if he holds VA, IA , NM & CO, everything else is academic - and he is looking good in all 4 of the above.

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Publius:

I was wondering what the conservative crash and burn would look like, and here it is: Rampant nationalism, homophobia, appeals to racism, name calling and the complete absence of a sense of humor.

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straight talk:

McCain is trailing in all the Battle grounds! He is losing in VA more than Co. But he gives up on Co anyway. Look for the CO gop to come out in disgust over this decision! Republicans I think it is time to blame each other!

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faithhopelove:

UPCOMING ON THE TRAIL


Yesterday:

Obama: NC
Joe Biden: WA
Jill Biden: MO
Bill Clinton: NV

McCain: OH
Cindy McCain: PA
Palin: NM


Today:

Obama: FL
Michelle Obama: FL
Hillary Clinton: FL
Bill Clinton: NV, MO

McCain: MO
Cindy McCain: PA
Palin: CO


Tomorrow:

Obama: FL
Michelle Obama: FL
Joe Biden: CO
Hillary Clinton: Omaha, MN

McCain: PA
Palin: NV


Wednesday:

Obama: VA
Michelle Obama: FL
Joe Biden: CO

McCain: NH, OH
Palin: OH


Thursday:

Obama: WI

Palin: OH


Friday:

Joe Biden: WV

McCain: CO


Saturday:

Hillary Clinton: TX, NM, UT


October 24 - November 3

Obama: CO, FL, IA, NV, NM, OH, VA


November 1:

Palin: NC

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alankeyesisawesome:

@political_junki

Well, I guess I just have an intimidating effect on these forums since Democrats can never really prove their points, they can only hurl insults out there.

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carl29:

I think that just like with Ayers, Wrigth wouldn't work as McCain needs it because it is not a "sucker-punch." It is not surprising; everyone saw the "dear" Reverend. Obama already threw him under the bus and withdrew his membership from the church. Also, it would be SO, SO, SO obvious that McCain is using it out of desperation.

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political_junki:

Publius:
Well put. Xenophobia (Those damned commie canadians), Homophobia (homosexual agenda) and Racism ( in another post alankeyesisawesome was saying that Bradly effect is his last hope) have always been the foundations of Conservatism.

In 50's it was impossible to be a conservative and not a segregationist...
Even this year foreigner-bashing was a big part of republican agenda: "Europeans like Obama, how scary!!! there should be something wrong with him"

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political_junki:

Publius:
Well put. Xenophobia (Those damned commie canadians), Homophobia (homosexual agenda) and Racism ( in another post alankeyesisawesome was saying that Bradly effect is his last hope) have always been the foundations of Conservatism.

In 50's it was impossible to be a conservative and not a segregationist...
Even this year foreigner-bashing was a big part of republican agenda: "Europeans like Obama, how scary!!! there should be something wrong with him"

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alankeyesisawesome:

@political_junki

Why is hoping that the Bradley effect affects voting patterns racist? I don't have anything against blacks, just against Obama.

Remember, it will be bad for all Americans if Obama wins, not just blacks (who in this election are voting against their own interests).

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political_junki:

alankeyesisawesome:
Calling you stupid is not an insult, it is stating the facts. Show this 3 lines to anyone, they will agree with me.

"Why is hoping that the Bradley effect affects voting patterns racist? I don't have anything against blacks, just against Obama."

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political_junki:

alankeyesisawesome:
"Why is hoping that the Bradley effect affects voting patterns racist"
It doesnt mean you are racist. It means you hope other people are racists.
I never said you ar a racist. I said Racism is your last hope. Go back and read my message.

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SoloBJ:

Anyone see the news on the right that Obama has canceled his campaign events until Saturday to visit his grandmother in Hawaii who is seriously ill?

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Hey you ignorant Republicans, do you remember the 2000 election, when you won the election by a 5 to 4 vote in the U.S. Supreme Court? Let us not forget that election. Let's get our Democrat team motivated to finish strong. Tell your friends and family to get to the polls and vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden!

McCain and Palin think the American people are stupid. McCain and Palin have NO plan for the economy, and NO plan to end the war in Iraq. We have waited 8 long years to get a Democrat win. Get to the polls and VOTE!

VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA AND LETS GET A DEMOCRAT WIN IN NOVEMBER!

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alankeyesisawesome:

@SoloBJ
Wow, I can't believe he is taking a break from the Campaign trail...hopefully McCain can use this absence to break even.

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GboroNC:

It seems that not only is the McCain campaign imploding, but the entire Republican party is tearing itself asunder. I think there appears to be a real split between the religious right and neo-con wing of the party on the one hand and the old fashoned and intellectual conservates on the other. Several of the later have even declared support, or at least tacit acceptance of Obama. It seems about time for a realignment it will be intersting to see what emerges in the coming years.

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Chester:

@ Alan :
I am Canadian, and I am very proud of our health care system. Nobody dies in an emergency room, here, and the idea of paying for treatment (any treatment) is totally bizarre to us; it just doesn't register.

I know that people love to mock our health care system... healthy people, that is. When you're sick (and yes, you will get sick), you'll wish that there were tax dollars there to take care of you.

As for the negativity... we're not all nice.

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Bigmike:

This poll is an obvious outlier, to be ignored.

Dan1967

Out of all the counts in 2000, just how many had Gore on top?

Answer: Zero

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Dan1967

This is not a forum for political campaigning...this is a forum to discuss the polls and to speculate on the election results that they imply.

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Pat:

Obama's grandmother is very sick and Obama is cancelling two days of campaign events to visit her.

Guess what? it will look horrible if McShame starts attacking Obama with rev. Wright stuff if Obama is by the side of his dyeing white grandmother.

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boomshak:

THE ONE QUESTION JOHN MCCAIN COULD ASK THAT WOULD DESTROY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, AND HERE IT IS:

"Senator Obama, will you now pledge to the American people, that during your Presidency, no matter how long it lasts, you will not allow a tax increase from current levels of any kind on Americans making under $200,000 a year?"

THE BOX:
Barack Obama is a Socialist. With a Democratic Congress at his back, expansion of government will be irresistible. Taxes MUST be raised (letting the Bush tax cuts expire) on even the middle class to pay for these programs.

Barack will be stuck. If he answers truthfully that he would consider raising taxes on the middle class down the road, McCain can claim his "$500 taxcut for 85% of Americans" is simply a bait-and-switch to win him the White House.

If he makes the pledge (inconceivable, but one never knows), he will be stuck with extending the Bush tax cuts.

CONCLUSION:
With this one simple question, John McCain could expose Obama and win the White House. Will he be smart enough to ask it? I doubt it but one can hope.

As a matter of fact, I may just go to an Obama rally and shout this from the audience during his speech. God, I'd be famous forever.

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timontheleft:

@GboroNC

I agree. Here in GA there are many people that claim to be Libertarian - and that number keeps growing as the Repubs continue to self-destruct. If they were to get organized they might find considerable support. Seems no one wants to be a Republican anymore.

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political_junki:

@boomshak:
"THE ONE QUESTION JOHN MCCAIN COULD ASK THAT WOULD DESTROY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, AND HERE IT IS:..."

Isnt this amazing? All those political consultants with tens of years of experience in McSame campaign couldnt come up with this question but our very own political genius, BOOMSHAK has single-handedly found a way to DESTROY Obama? Instead of paying them McShame should start paying BOOMSHAK, the best brain for politics.

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Bigmike:

Publius

Conservative crash and burn? I don't think so. The parties candidate is down in the polls. Guess what. He is not even a conservative.

Like I have said before. Dems are still around after Reagan almost shut them out in EV's in 84. IF we lose this time, it is one election. We won't be going anywhere. Except the white house in 2012.

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Commander_King:

Boomshak you are an idiot.Anyway virtually nothing can stop Obama now that McCain has conceded more states.

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vmval1:

@BigMike:
More like 2016

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boomshak:

@political_junki:

I just took a screen capture of this page becuase for the first time, political_junki us correct.

This question WOULD destroy Obama because he simply cannot answer it.

And I'm telling you what, if John McCain won't ask this, I'm going to go to an Obama rally and ask him myself on national television. I'm sure I'll be arrested by his goons for daring to ask The One a question, but it will be worth it.

There is nothing threatening or dangerous about this question. It is just a simple "yes" or "no" question that an honest person could answer in one word or less.

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Stonecreek:

These Fox/Rasputin state polls are totally schizoid. I'm not about to believe that MO is 7 or 8 points better for Obama than OH. He could win or lose either, but the difference in them WON'T be 7 points. My guess is that Fox/Rasputin is using some highly questionable LV screens to get these results (and are perhaps using different screens in different states.)

Watch for the Gallup tracker to take another jump for Obama tomorrow. I'm not saying it's "right", just that it will jump. The ABC/Post isn't an outlier, it's just at the upper end of polls that use a broad LV screen.

Bottom line: The momentum continues to belong to Obama, and his grandmother's illness simply serves to "freeze" the electorate where they are for several days. Not a bad thing for him while early voting is going on.

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political_junki:

@bigMike:
Fiscal conservatism is something that I completely understand and in many parts agree with.
But social conservatism is just a melt pot of blind nationalism, xenophobia, homophobia racism and actually anything-that-is-not-like-me-phobia.

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alankeyesisawesome:

What about Obama's other grandmother...the one from Kenya? She says that Obama was born over there, which would make him unable to run for president. Wish the media would pay more attention to her than his dying grandmother in Hawaii.

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MDB1974:
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boomshak:

BTW, when are one of you moonbats going to tell me how Obama should answer this question without being completely screwed either way?

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Bigmike:

IF the libs win this one, don't you think things will be different in 2012.

They won't be running against someone dipstick enough to go the public financing route. Why let the libs outspend you many times over.

JEB Bush in 2012!!!!

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atreides:

I am planning to vote early as early voting has started in Texas. I hear that early voting has started in 30 other states including Fl where that it is heavy. Won't this tendency lock the trends that are manifested right now. What % of the vote will vote early this year? Could this thing really be over by election day?

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political_junki:

@alankeyesisawesome:

Dude, I love your posts. Every one of them, comes 2 mins after my post and is a living proof for them :)

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Stonecreek:

Boomshack: How do you answer a question in "one word or less"?

Better question: How does one carry on a discussion with a person who is immune from logic?

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MDB1974:
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political_junki:

@BigMike:
Yeah right, another Bush will win elections in this country again.
I love your optimism.

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Pat:

@boomshak:

You are an idiot. You just don't get it. People don't care about taxes as much as they care about jobs. More importantly, quality high paying jobs that have left this country under republican administraiton. Most of the middle-class high paying jobs during Clinton administration have been replaced with lower wage service type jobs under Bush administration. No tax cuts can replace that. This is the result of your stupid tricke-down economy of Repugs.

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boomshak:

THE ONE QUESTION JOHN MCCAIN COULD ASK THAT WOULD DESTROY THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN, AND HERE IT IS:

"Senator Obama, will you now pledge to the American people, that during your Presidency, no matter how long it lasts, you will not allow a tax increase from current levels of any kind on Americans making under $200,000 a year?"

He simply cannot answer. If he says "yes" he betrays his party. If he says "no" he betrays middle-class America.

It's delicious...

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GboroNC:

@ timontheleft

From my perspectiv it seems like the Neo-cons and the religious right republicans are riding some of the more traditional republicans out of the party. It seemed that at the convention there was a pro-life litinus test for vps. (which is why I believe Giluani, Liberman, Ridge and even other potential female vps such as Lingle were passed over for Palin.) It also seems that those who have disagreed with one or more segments of Neo-conservative othodoxy (Iraq, spending, pro-choice, constituationalism and executive power etc.) are being run out of the party.

My guess is for a few years Republicans will continue to implode. They will blame their losses on not being conservative enough and go down a similar road as the dems did in the 1970s and 1980s pushing orthodoxy without new ideas. Eventually there will be a re-alignment and that will be intersting, but until then I think there will be a long period in the wilderness for the Republican party. Now I could be completely wrong time will tell.

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cinnamonape:

The "youth" (I'm assuming the 18-24 age group is meant by this) aren't going to put anyone in the White House.

There simply aren't enough of them. In 1972, the first presidential election in which 18 year-olds could vote, 18-24 year-olds constituted 14% of voter turnout -- now they are 9%, and continuing to decline, even though their turnout rates are roughly the same as they were in 1972."

Old stats. And you are selecting a small sliver of what most pollsters refer to as younger voters". That demographic unit is 18-29yrs. And this is selected so that the age range is roughly equivalent to their other cohorts (30-45; 45-60; over 60). And actually the year range pares off an equitable number of years. The low voter participation level was in 2000. It increased in 2004 to about 18% of the sample, still below what any other cohort had...but 30% higher than in 2000.

Your problem is that by using 18-24 as "youth" you are comparing apples and oranges. It would be like saying that 30-36 years don't have a significant influence on the vote so why appeal to them. One must equilibriate the cohort sizes.

And while you are correct...the pool of older voters is, and will continue to be larger, recall that almost all of those older voters were once "youth". So influencing their political affiliation will impact their lifetime voting habits. In addition young voters are easier to reach (in Universities) and are more open to political transformation.

And if the 18-29 cohort are potentially 20% of a voting pool anyone would be a fool not to direct attention to them, just as it would be foolish to alienate older voters by not discussing issues important to them (Social Security, Medicare, 401K's, etc.).


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boomshak:

@Pat:

Americans don't care about taxes? So if Obama admitted he may raise the taxes of middle-class Americans they wouldn't mind at all? Wouldn't cost him a vote?

And BTW, what the hell is Obama going to do to keep all these "wonderful high-paying jobs" (whatever they are) from going overseas? Is his massive tax increase on small businesses going to encourage those companies to keep jobs here?

Geez, the sheer lunacy of your commentary boggle the rational mind.

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marctx:

Biden really messed up an otherwise great day for Obama with the endorsement of Powell.

I am seeing far more coverage of Biden's very accurate claim that the world would test Obama like John Kennedy in the missile crisis that almost caused WW3. Now you can expect some 3am ads saying that even Biden's not sure if Obama would make the right decision during an assured crisis if he were elected.

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political_junki:

boomshak:
"And I'm telling you what, if John McCain won't ask this, I'm going to go to an Obama rally and ask him myself on national television. I'm sure I'll be arrested by his goons for daring to ask The One a question, but it will be worth it."

OK dude, you got a deal. I have my TV on waiting for you to ask Obama your magic question. After Joe the Plumber we need a Boom the Drummer ;-)

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boomshak:

PLEASE YOU OBOZONAUTS, TELL ME HOW OBAMA SHOULD ANSWER THIS QUESTION:

"Senator Obama, will you now pledge to the American people, that during your Presidency, no matter how long it lasts, you will not allow a tax increase from current levels of any kind on Americans making under $200,000 a year?"

One of you guys surely must have the balls to give an answer.

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Bigmike:

political_junki

Don't forget us claustrophobes and pogonophobes.

Any group numbering in the millions is gonna have it's "fringe."

Saying all con's are afraid of anyone not like us is like saying all libs are a bunch of ivy league sissys.

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axe2grind:

Finally, McCain is giving up on IA, we can finally quit watching his lame attack ads. I can tell you he was in trouble in Iowa the minute he told the farmers he was going to cut their ethanol subsidies. He also ticked off the teachers union with his plan to bypass the educational system and lets Vets teach without a college degree. If he thinks he can throw all his eggs in PA and win he's crazy. I see what he's trying to do, trade 21 EV in three states for 21 EV in one state -guess what he is going to lose 42 EV in 4 states.

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political_junki:

@Boom:
He will say not only me, no other Candidate can unconditionally answer the question for 'no matter how long it lasts'

Actually if a candidate gives a yes or no answer to this question, he is a lier and nobody should vote for him.

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boomshak:

@political_junki:

You are such a big damned supporter of The Messiah. He has all the answers. How should he answer my question? You've dodged me twice now. Just answer it.

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saywhat90:

@boomshak

the same way he has always answered it. a tax cut to 95% of working families. see here is the simple answer to that question. if i said i would give a tax cut to 95% of working famikies then thats what meant. if i said i would give tax breask to businesses that create jobs for americans here at home that what i meant. apparently you dont listen when i m talking. that what he should say. oh wait i think he s said that already. you cant destroy someone with a question already answered

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political_junki:

@Bigmike:
Your point is valid to some extent but dont tell me those are 'fringes' of conservatism, they are more like the mainstream of it.

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NW Patrick:

boomshak ANSWER ME THIS. How do we return to a balanced budget with the current tax levels? I'll WAIT FOR YOUR ANSWER.

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MDB1974:

Great News! McCain giving up on CO! Depending on a comeback in PA to win.

While Iowa, New Mexico and Colorado are still officially listed as McCain target states, two top strategists and advisers tell CNN that the situation in those states looks increasingly bleak. Iowa and New Mexico always have been viewed as difficult races, but the similar assessment of Colorado reflects a dramatic shift for a campaign that had long counted on the state.

"Gone," was the word one top McCain insider used to describe those three states.

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boomshak:

@political_junki:

Lol, if he answers the way you have said, he will be f*cked.

McCain can jump on that and say,

"I will plege to America right now that I will NEVER raise taxes on the middle-class. And if it looks like the government needs the money that badly, i'll find a way to cut government so we don't need the money.

My opponent, on the other hand, refuses to make this pledge. He refuses because he is planning to raise your taxes once he is in power. His "tax-cut for 95% of Americans" is simply a bait-and-switch. His goal is to get power, expand goverment and raise all of your taxes. He had the chance to promise he wouldn't and instead of giving straight talk, he dodged."

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political_junki:

@boomshak:

"You are such a big damned supporter of The Messiah. He has all the answers. How should he answer my question? You've dodged me twice now. Just answer it."

I did answer you.
If anybody answers that question with a yes or no he is either a fool or a lier.
In the logic of people like you every thing is either black or white, or answer to every thing is either yes or no.
How can you answer a question about the next 8 years 'unconditionally'.
That is just idiotic.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@political_junki

While I truly respect Boomshak, I have a better question to ask Obama...

"Senator Obama, do you think that all the political idolatry by your supporters is just plain wrong? If not likening yourself to a modern day messiah, aren't you at least riding on the kind of widespread political propaganda posters of you, which are modeled in the style of Josef Stalin or Chairman Mao, which is especially fitting since you support the same socialist policies that those murderous dictators championed?"

If I ask that, then the Obama campaign will definitely be over, and we can at least hope for America's survivor when having leaders with the experience to govern.

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boomshak:

@saywhat90:

Huh?

So you are saying that by giving a measely $500 tax cut to 95% of Americans, that is he therefore promising that he will NEVER raise taxes on the middle class?

How do you get that?

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Pat:

@boomshak:

I can not beleive you do not understand that small businesses don't ship American Jobs overseas. Large fat companies do. These are the same companies that McShame supports with un-conditional tax cuts. On the other hand Obama is giving tax cuts to companies that will bring those jobs back in the US.

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Commander_King:

Hey Boomshak.....Bush senior tried that....didnt work.

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Bigmike:

political_junki

I am sure that is how you libs want to view us.

If we want to stop the FLOOD of illegal immigrants, we are automatically xenophobes. No way we can have the countries best interest in mind.

If we are ok with civil unions but not redefining marriage, we are homophobes.

If we vote for a white guy who's policies we mostly agree with instead of a black guy who's policies we mostly disagree with, then we are obviously racist.

And you wonder why we really don't care what labels you try to put on us.

Call us what you want. IF Obama wins, in four years us knuckle dragging trolls will look might good to an awful lot of voters.

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MDB1974:

I hacked into the user i.d. files, found out who some of these people really are.

Boomsack: Steve Shmidt
Joe the Plumber: Rick Davis
Alankeyesisawesome: Alan Keyes

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Viperlord:

Boom isn't known for his ability to read. He attacked me for defending him against accusations of racism.

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joethedummer:

boomcrack = loser

hopefully boomcrack makes over 250k a yr so obama's tax relief nails that piece of garbage !
I am 100% for redistributing boomcracks money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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boomshak:

@NW Patrick:

boomshak ANSWER ME THIS. How do we return to a balanced budget with the current tax levels? I'll WAIT FOR YOUR ANSWER.

So, you ADMIT IT! You admit that Obama's "taxcut for 95% of all Americans" is just a bait-and-switch, that he plans on raising taxes on middle-class Americans once he is in power!

I LOVE it, you actually admitted that Obama is a liar!

Back to your question. Look at history nimrod. Whenever the margin tax rate has been cut, revenues to the Treasury have skyrocketed. We don't have a ballooning deficit because of a lack of tax revenue, we have it because of too much spending.

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Bigmike:

forgive my typing........again

Mavis Beacon here I come

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boomshak:

@Commander_King:

Hey Boomshak.....Bush senior tried that....didnt work.

Yep, the Dems in Congress talked him into raising taxes and it cost him his second term. It was a good pledge to make, and foolish he broke his promise.

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Viperlord:

Bigmike: Stop the dumb generalizations. Seriously. You are attempting to apply dumb generalizations to everyone who dares to disagree with you while proclaiming how good you'll look in 4 years. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

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alankeyesisawesome:

So anyone else pondering the convenience of Obama's sick grandmother? I guess she is suddenly useful again once he starts slipping in the polls. It has been only lately that it is to his benefit to act like his gives a concern about any of his white family, because that certainly didn't help when he was campaigning for Illinois state senate on the South side of Chicago.

Wonder where old Michelle is, by the way? Last I heard she was lunching on Lobster and chugging champagne while her husband was listening to poor people beg for money. Sick. just plain sick.

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zotz:

boom-
McCain already has the anti-tax nutballs (like you) so answering that question with a yes or no answer directly would be stupid. That is a classic example of a "Do you still beat your wife?" question.

He should simply say that middle class tax relief is his top priority and he can forsee no circumstances that would change that priority. Yes it is a dodge but smart politictians like him know how to do it.

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Bigmike:

Viperlord

I disagree with posts saying conservatives are xenophobs, homophobes, and racist, and I am the one making dumb generalizations? Get a grip.

What really ticked me off is they said we have no sense of humor.

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boomshak:

@Pat:
@boomshak:

I can not beleive you do not understand that small businesses don't ship American Jobs overseas. Large fat companies do. These are the same companies that McShame supports with un-conditional tax cuts. On the other hand Obama is giving tax cuts to companies that will bring those jobs back in the US.

If a company opens a factory in Mexico where they can hire a machinest for $35,000 a year to replace one in American that is making $125,000 a year because of a union, they would be NUTS not to do it. How can they hope to compete with that company in Mexico paying their people 1/4 of the money?

But then again we could charge huge tariffs on imports and become isolationist and lose all of our export business which is the ONE thing that has been keeping our economy afloat during this rough patch.

That worker at home didn't lose his job because the corporation was being greedy, he lost his job because his skills were no longer worth the price he was being paid in a global marketplace.

There has been a "salary bubble" in some sectors of the US due to unionization run wild and those workers whose jobs were "shipped overseas" are victims of that bubble bursting.

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mac7396:

"MDB1974:
I hacked into the user i.d. files, found out who some of these people really are.

Boomsack: Steve Shmidt
Joe the Plumber: Rick Davis
Alankeyesisawesome: Alan Keyes"


LOLZ!

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saywhat90:

@boomshak

apparently you dont listen anymore than sen mccain. did i give a monetary figure. you asked will he promise not to raise taxes for people who make less than 200k. i said he already has said it. then you pull some bs number out your ass and try to deflect what you already know is the truth. he has answered that question on more than one occasion and you know it.in fact it is 200k- 250k and under depending on marital status. and those making less than those amounts get alot more than just 500 bucks.

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DecaturMark:

Boom,

How does Obama betray his party by saying that he won't raise taxes on anyone making less than $200K? Your question makes no sense.

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Viperlord:

Get a grip? Your the one claiming we all think your homophobes, racists, and xenophobes, when political junki responded to alan keyes expressing those exact sentiments.

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Knyght:

I actually considered Bush 41's reneging on his "no new taxes" pledge t be a sign of his overall honor and integrity. He knew he was going to get raked over the coals for it. He knew it might cost him the election in '92. But he did it as a means of getting ahold of the deficit and he did it because he honestly felt it was the best thing for the American people. I respect his principles in backing small government, and I respect the fact that he knew when an exception was in order.

And I say this as a lifelong Democrat who didn't vote for him and probably still wouldn't if given the chance to do it over. He wasn't a great president, but he balanced his principles--principles I often disagreed with, but always respected--with practicality.

If his son could have done that, the world--and the election--would probably look a lot different right now.

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timontheleft:

@boomshak

Where is there a machinist making $125,000/year?

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NW Patrick:

alankeyesisawesome could you be any more of a ****ing piece of ****?

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boomshak:

@zotz:

He should simply say that middle class tax relief is his top priority and he can forsee no circumstances that would change that priority. Yes it is a dodge but smart politictians like him know how to do it.

McCain would be all over that like flies on sh*t.

He could simply remind Americans that Bill Clinton promised a middle-class taxcut in 1992, but after he won, went back on his promise claiming "I can't believe everyone thoght THAT was a major part of my platform!"

CONCLUSION:
I can't help but get from your comment that you agree with me that Obama's "taxcut" is simply a bait-and-switch to buy middle-class votes.

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Viperlord:

He also tried to cut spending, but the Republicans shot it down out of spite.

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boomshak:

@timontheleft:
@boomshak

Where is there a machinist making $125,000/year?

Dock workers in the port of New York make $150,000 a year and more.

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NW Patrick:

alankeyesisawesome people like you are the reason this country is tanking. Pure uneducated trash. Your comments on Obama's grandmother were sad. Pathetic. Yah..Obama wanted to leave the trail leading by 5 in every major poll with an electoral college LANDSLIDE lead. You bums are 2 weeks away from history. Buh bye.

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Viperlord:

Vengeance for reneging on his promise, to elaborate.

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DecaturMark:

Boom

How do you send a dockworkers job to Mexico? You have to move the dock as well I guess.

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alankeyesisawesome:

NW Patrick:
"alankeyesisawesome could you be any more of a ****ing piece of ****?"

Notice when libs disagree with you they resort to namecalling, whereas a conservative will engage you intellectually?

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NW Patrick:

I can't believe anyone is even debating with the thugs that elected a party that brought us the largest debt in the history of mankind, an illegal war, and cock sucking Senators to the bathroom stalls at your local airport. Or how about the I bought the meth but didn't try it Pastor. Or the male escort white house media correspondent? These freaks are IRRELEVANT.

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boomshak:

Everyone here seems to have forgotten how UNPOPULAR Bill Clinton was when the Republicans took Congress. His first two years had been a train-wreck.

As you may recall, Bill Clinton actual had to give a speech to explain why he was not IRRELEVANT as the press was claiming.

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saywhat90:

@boomshak

oh but mccain is so not trying get votes. whatever to his so gas tax break he was so avid in giving the american people over the summer. i guess whne it ididnt wokr to get him votes he gave up on it. nh of course isnt to pandering to get votes. not maverick who fought the base until he needed them for the election. who didnt like bushs tax cuts until he needed the base who loved them. no not mccain the mighty maverick until he need the base vote.

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timontheleft:

@boomshak

How are you going to replace a dock worker in New York with a worker in Mexico?

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick:

I don't see how you fail to realize that this is only a politically calculated move to FOOL the American people into thinking that Obama has empathy.

It is a bit unconventional, since candidates don't usually use their dying grandmas to boost their campaigns.

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alankeyesiswoesome:

Boomshack:
"McCain all over that like flies on sh*t."

Boomshack, you know how much I respect you, but do you have to contually use such foul language, especially when speaking of John McCain? Can you please keep your positive message of hope clean? Thank you.

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miatch:

and boom,
you seem to have forgotten how POPULAR Clinton was by the end of his second term. If not for term limits, he would STILL be president.

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vmval1:

@alankeyesisawesome:

alankeyesisawesome:
NW Patrick:
"alankeyesisawesome could you be any more of a ****ing piece of ****?"

Notice when libs disagree with you they resort to namecalling, whereas a conservative will engage you intellectually?

Or just bomb your country.

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Bigmike:

Viperlord

Try reading back a little further.

Or just one summarizing statement.

political_junki:
@Bigmike:
Your point is valid to some extent but dont tell me those are 'fringes' of conservatism, they are more like the mainstream of it.

You are, of course, entitled to your own interpretation. You and I are just gonna disagree on this one.

You may notice at no point to I defend AlanKeyes.

Read far enough back, and you may even notice my well formed sense of humor.

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DecaturMark:

Boom

Obama is not Bill Clinton. I know Bill Clinton is the bogeyman for all of the republicans, but he is not running. What he did or said has no relevence to what Obama might do or say.

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mac7396:

Just one word for McCain supporters: "Scoreboard"

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zotz:

boom-
You're not that good at US history are you? Clinton won 379 EVs in 1996. THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES BESIDES TAXES!

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timontheleft:

@NW Patrick

Because it's just good entertainment. They are funnier than ANYTHING on TV.

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NW Patrick:

alankeyesisawesome is this a stunt similar to "suspending your campaign" to save the country? He has a family emergency..an honorable reason. Plus windbag, you should be excited. Gives McCain 2 days to make news. Probably more gaffes but HEY! ROFL. FAIL!

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saywhat90:

oh pleas alankeyes libs and cons have all insulted people on here.

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sunnymi:

Zogby Poll: Hispanic Likely Voters Support Obama Over McCain, 70%-21%

UTICA, New York – With the U.S. presidential elections two weeks away, Democratic candidate Senator Barak Obama has the support of the vast majority of Hispanic likely voters – 70% -- while Republican John McCain trails with just 21% support, a new Zogby International telephone survey of Latinos nationwide shows. Another 5% of Hispanic likely voters support other candidates while 4% remain undecided.

http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1599

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Viperlord:

vmval: Nice one. I care about taxes. Which is why I support the candidate who will cut them for most Americans.

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boomshak:

THIS QUESTION IS GOLDEN - ATLEAST 3 OF OBAMA'S BIGGEST SUPPORTERS IN HERE HAS JUST ADMITTED THAT OBAMA IS LYING TO MIDDLE-CLASS TAXPAYERS:

"Senator Obama, will you now pledge to the American people, that during your Presidency, no matter how long it lasts, you will not allow a tax increase from current levels of any kind on Americans making under $200,000 a year?"

He simply cannot answer this question and if he doesn't or he dodges as zotz recommended, he is utterly f*cked.

I have found his achilles heel! I tested it here and I have seen it's impact. His mots rabid supporters could only suggest he dodge the question.

Tomorrow, I get this question to the McCain Campaign. Expect it within the next few days.

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NW Patrick:

Republicans have never been real good at history...after Reagan ran the debt into space they DID IT AGAIN after Clinton cleaned up the mess. BRILLIANT! A theory disproven OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

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miatch:

Boom,
Do you think McCain would make the same pledge?

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NW Patrick:

Boom**** you STILL haven't answered my question. How do you cut taxes, hold a war, and pay down the national debt? JUST CURIOUS SINCE THE Republican way worked SO DAMN well for 8 years! We had the tax cuts. Please so tell me your holy one how IT WORKED.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick

Except that McCain did suspend his campaign, whereas Obama is still running ads and having Michelle, Hitlery clintoon, and Biden campaign for him, and run negative ads on TV.

Lets you and me both agree that Obama suspend all campaigning in Honor of his dying grandmother. Otherwise it's obviously just a publicity stunt. Agreed?

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saywhat90:

i see why you guys are annoyed by boomshak. he actually thinks he has a good question and that it has not been asked by mccain and answered by obama. apaprently he doesnt watch the debates.

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1503er:

kerrchdavis,

It's on the "This day in 2004" link on Electoral-Vote.com. It's for October 20, 2004.

Check it out.

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orange24:

John McCain had a fabulously loony weekend, flipping out charges and attacks like a mud tornado. The truly remarkable thing about McCain's attacks, especially on Obama's economic policies, is that McCain, in each case, is "guilty" of supporting some version of the policies he's attacking:

1. He attacks Obama for increasing "welfare" by providing refundable tax credits--that is giving people the cash equivalent if they don't pay enough in income taxes to reap the full benefit of the credit--but McCain's own $5000 health insurance credit is also refundable.

2. He attacks Obama for spreading "socialism," but McCain supported the bailout that enabled the Bush Administration to partially nationalize the banking system last week. If that ain't a (very mild) form of socialism, I don't know what is.

3. He attacks Obama's tax plan as a form of "spreading the wealth"--the words Obama used when talking to Joe the Unlicensed Tax Dodger in Ohio--because Obama would reduce taxes on the middle class and pay for it by restoring Clinton-era marginal tax rates on the wealthy. And yet, McCain proudly voted for a major tax hike and wealth redistribution scheme in his early days in his early days in Congress. In fact he touts it regularly.

Joe Klein -- Time

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NW Patrick:

alankeyesisawesome I'll agree that in 2 weeks I can almost GUARANTEE you WON'T JOIN THIS FORUM. I'll be here. Will you pussy?

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miatch:

No, alan, McCain did not suspend his campaign. He continued to run ads and have surrogates on TV talking crap.

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Bigmike:

Oh, no. I agree with something NWPatrick said. Hell is gonna freeze over tonight.

My biggest beef with both Bushes, and my only beef with Reagan, is the deficits.

Libs keep saying why do want to keep going back to failed policies. Fiscal conservatism is not a failed policy. It can't be because IT HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED.

Cutting taxes and cutting spending. What a concept. Now if I just live long enough to actually see it!!!!!

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Viperlord:

McCain didn't suspend his campaign, his ads were still running, and he didn't rush to Washington with anything like speed, and didn't accomplish anything more than vote there. Whereas Obama is visiting his dying grandmother, and letting his campaign continue to run itself. Big difference.

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alankeyesiswoesome:

Boomshack:

"I have found his achilles heel! I tested it here and I have seen it's impact. His mots rabid supporters could only suggest he dodge the question.

Tomorrow, I get this question to the McCain Campaign. Expect it within the next few days"

Boomshack, you ought not wait until tomorrow morning. You ought to dispatch this message of appendage extremity to McCain with utmost haste. Do it now. Do it immediately. Suspend your posts here until you do.

We, alankeys, urge you!

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sunnymi:

Poll: Obama Gained During Debates
CBS News/N.Y. Times Follow-Up Survey Of Likely Voters Suggests Democrat's Advantage Grew

(CBS) The standing of the Democratic presidential ticket of Barack Obama and Joe Biden improved during the last few weeks of the presidential campaign, a period that included the three presidential debates and the vice presidential debate, a new CBS News/New York Times poll shows.

In a poll taken just before the first presidential debate, the Obama-Biden ticket held a five point edge, with 48 percent of likely voters backing the Democratic ticket and 43 percent supporting the Republican ticket of John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Those 476 likely voters were re-interviewed for the new poll, and their responses suggest that the Democratic ticket has made gains since the initial survey: The Obama-Biden ticket now holds a 13-point edge, 54 percent to 41 percent, among the group.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/20/opinion/polls/main4533712.shtml?tag=topStory;topStoryHeadline

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boomshak:

YOU IDIOT LIBS REALLY THINK AMERICA DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HIGH TAXES?

If that is true, why is Obama running on this 95% taxcut bullsh*t?

My question can and will destroy the Obama campaign if I can get McCain to ask it. You moonbats have had 30 minutes with it and no one has been able to answer with anything but a dodge yet.

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DecaturMark:

Boom,

If he says he will make that pledge, how does it win McCain the election? I am really curious about that.

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timontheleft:

@alankeyesisawesome

Obama didn't say he was going to suspend his campaign. He is canceling his own personal appearances for a few days.

And regardless of what he called it McCain did not "suspend" his campaign. His ads continued to run.

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NW Patrick:

I love watching the thugs becoming more and more irrelevant as each day passes and their candidate makes ZERO progress. In 2 weeks, they will disappear for EIGHT YEARS! HAHA!

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miatch:

Oh Bigmike,

the American Communists made the same argument when the Soviet Union collapsed, ie Communism didn't fail, it was just never tried.

You sound exactly like them, and just as lame.

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marctx:

miatch:

"and boom,you seem to have forgotten how POPULAR Clinton was by the end of his second term. If not for term limits, he would STILL be president."

Bill Clinton is the only two term democrat in 50 years. I can agree with you on that.

boomshak: you are off base tonight. i don't know WTF you are talking about.

I used to think you were an insider, but you are not on today's talking points.

Today's story is Biden's very accurate claim that the world would test Obama like John Kennedy in the missile crisis that almost caused WW3.

Who are you republicans talking to??? You should be winning over crossovers like me and I'm not buying it right now!

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alankeyesisawesome:

@NW Patrick:

I'll be here...if Obama wins (which looks increasingly less likely, I will be here to expose the massive voter fraud by ACORN, and the fact that we need to challenge all those votes.

If that doesn't get sorted out, I have a plan of forming a human chain around the White House on Jan 20th, so that Obama will be unable to assume the presidency.

In any case, there is NO WAY I would buy or be ok with a Democrat victory. No way, no how, no Obama!

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NW Patrick:

boomshak you've gotta be a really lonely man. It's gotta be lonely in NC with Republicans dying a slow, painful debt in your once RED STATE! HAHAHA!

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alankeyesiswoesome:

alankeyesisawesome:

"Lets you and me both agree that Obama suspend all campaigning in Honor of his dying grandmother. Agreed?"

Can we agree to suspend all alankeys posts in Honor of Obama's dying grandmother?

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political_junki:

@ BIGMIKE:

"I am sure that is how you libs want to view us..."

Well, you are just victimizing yourself to get points, ALL OF YOUR EXAMPLES are wrong:
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"If we want to stop the FLOOD of illegal immigrants, we are automatically xenophobes. No way we can have the countries best interest in mind."

No nobody has a problem with secure borders, but when Juliani, uses the fact that "Europians like Obama" as a fact against him, that is xenophobia. When the fact that in Berlin 200000 people went to attend obama's speech is something bad, that is xenophobia.
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"If we are ok with civil unions but not redefining marriage, we are homophones."

No, but when you bash homosexuals on your most-listened to radio shows and want to "cure" them, you are homophobes.
I am against gay marriage myself
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"If we vote for a white guy who's policies we mostly agree with instead of a black guy who's policies we mostly disagree with, then we are obviously racist."

I was referring to the fact that staunchest supporters of segregation were also staunchest conservatives. It had nothing to do with now.

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Easiest way to decieve yourself is to persuade yourself you are the victim...

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boomshak:

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MOONBATS:

Stop quoting from these hyper-biased MSM polls. I mean, my God people, ABC, CBS, NYTimes? These are all completely in the tank for Obama.

All the pollsters that have a reputation to protect are saying this is about a 5 point race.

It won't be anymore once McCain asks my question.

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Bigmike:

Enough of the dying granny. Let it go. Have a little respect.

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Viperlord:

I would calm down a little Patrick, hard to see, the future is. Yoda imitation aside, I do think this is the end of the "Reagan Era", and hopefully we'll see the Republican Party head back towards the center. The Republicans will certainly be back.

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Pat:

@boomshak:

I have been an executive in pharma industry for over 20 years and currently run a consulting firm helps other pharma/medical device companies transfer technology and manufacturing to Asia and Latin America. Transfering manufacturing or other aspects of a one's business to other countries is very costly and only makes sence when you are dealing with a very large volumes. In my experience, this is only suitable for big businesses otherwise returns are not there. My point is that small businesses do not transfer jobs to Mexico.

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NW Patrick:

How come the crazies in here aren't concerned that George Bush had the Bin Laden's to the TX ranch? Is that not paling around with terrorists? ROFL. FAIL!

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DecaturMark:

Boom

"It won't be anymore once McCain asks my question."

How does your question win McCain the presidency? I really would like to know.

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NW Patrick:

boomshak will be hired by McCain next week and McCain will suddenly have a message for the American people that MIGHT ACTUALLY STICK with 2 weeks to go! WATCH FOR IT. Statistical tie by tomorrow!

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alankeyesiswoesome:

boomshack:
"boomshak:

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MOONBATS:

Stop quoting from these hyper-biased MSM polls. I mean, my God people, ABC, CBS, NYTimes? These are all completely in the tank for Obama."

I concur. Henceforth, we must all pledge to only post from drugde report, and in the extreme cases from Fox News. But only if we must. I find it helpful to make up my own quotes and post them here, it saves time on searching. Can we please all pledge to do the same?

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alankeyesisawesome:

@timontheleft:

McCain suspending his campaign was HEROIC...it will go down as one of the most courageous decisions in American history.

Again, Obama using his dying grandmother as a political tool is essentially like raping her.

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boomshak:

@DecaturMark:
Boom,

If he says he will make that pledge, how does it win McCain the election? I am really curious about that.

That's the BEAUTY OF IT man! If nothing dramatic happens, Obama is going to win anyway. McCain has nothing to lose by asking this question.

If Obama dodges or refuses to promise he won't raise taxes, he is screwed with the middle-class. His "taxcut" becomes a lame bait-and-switch". If he makes the pledge then goes back on his word in office, he'll never see a second term.

I'm telling you, this question is solid gold.

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orange24:

Then, please, for once, draw me the map where McCain wins. If you'll just do it once, I won't ask again. Every time I ask a red poster to show me the electoral college win that has McCain in the White House, nobody will do it. They won't do it because it can't be done. You can bask in all of those polls that show a tightening race, all the while ignoring the fact that Obamas support has not wavered even a little. Yes, McCain is gaining ground - did you think that he wouldn't. This is the first election with an AA nominee - coming on the heels of the most divisive campaign ever waged. Yes, you'll get close in the poplular vote. I've been saying that for a month. Ask Al Gore what the popular vote does for you. So, if you'll just draw me an electoral map where your guy wins, we'll all be satisifed and leave you alone.

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miatch:

"boomshak:

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE MOONBATS:

Stop quoting from these hyper-biased MSM polls. I mean, my God people, ABC, CBS, NYTimes? These are all completely in the tank for Obama."

it is interesting how everyone who is educated and writes for a living, and studies politics, is pro-Obama at this point, no? I mean he got mr-iraq-will-be-a-cakewalk Ken Adelman's vote today.

Who is on McCain's side, anymore?

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zotz:

boom-
If a reporter asked that question and Obama dodged it he definitely would lose all the Bigmikes and boomshaks. But since they were never going to vote for him anyway what is the net effect?

Answer: ZERO!!!

Not everyone thinks like you boom!
Talk about life in a bubble!!
That's it! I have guessed boomshak's secret!
He's the BUBBLEBOY!!!

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alankeyesiswoesome:

alankeyesisawesome:


@timontheleft:

McCain suspending his campaign was HEROIC...it will go down as one of the most courageous decisions in American history. "

And I would add, that the only thing more heroic than that would be for McCain to re-suspend his campaign, driving the point further!

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kerrchdavis:

Boomshak's question would seal the election...FOR OBAMA.

He could simply say "Yes, I pledge to not raise the taxes of anyone making under 200k a year" and bam, its over. He would not be a traitor to his base and he would seal the middle class independent vote. He would probably even steal some repubs who like Obama but are scared he will become economically too liberal.

Boomshak, you continue to become more stupid and more arrogant every single day. You think you have the key to winning the Presidential campaign in a single question, as if every single Republican strategist hasn't been throwing ideas at McCain. He can't touch Obama...Obama owns his face. Talk about issues and McCain loses...he admitted it himself. Talk about non-issues and he looks like a joke. Either way, he loses.

So, spare us the BS that comes out of your mouth. I don't know how you manage to cough up turd after turd, but it's all crap, and it's getting runnier by the day. You are a pathetic excuse of a human being, a joke of biblical proportions, an illogical, shameless, cherry picking scumbag.

btw, please tell us, will this race be tied by Sunday? Was that this Sunday or next Sunday or a Sunday in 2012? Please..tell us?

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miatch:
alankeyesisawesome: using his dying grandmother as a political tool is essentially like raping her.

Alan, have you raped your grandmother? How else would you think of such an analogy?

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boomshak:

@NW Patrick:

boomshak will be hired by McCain next week and McCain will suddenly have a message for the American people that MIGHT ACTUALLY STICK with 2 weeks to go! WATCH FOR IT. Statistical tie by tomorrow!

You see Patrick, even you my liberal friend knows this question is political dynamite. You KNOW this would resonate.

I am going to spend the rest of this week making sure this one gets into McCain's hands.

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DecaturMark:

Boom

But it doesn't win McCain the election. If Obama goes back on his word then the American people will probably not re-elect him like Bush 41. But what if he doesn't go back on his word? No guarantee that he would or wouldn't. My point here is that McCain does not benefit from your "golden" question.

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Bigmike:

political_junki

Don't lump me in with people who want to "cure" homosexuals. Or with anyone who has a radio show.

I ain't them and they ain't me.

Like I said, we have our wackos. So do you guys. Have I once said that being lib makes you unpatriotic? Have I once said being against the war makes you a sissy. I don't think so. So you have to paint me as homophobic, xenophic, and racist because I believe in lower taxes and a balanced budget?

How about we agree that we both want a better Amarica and we just disgree how to get there from here? You can think I am misguided and I can do the same about you.

Sound fair?

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kerrchdavis:

@bigmike

we don't agree at all, but I truly respect the way you make your points. Thank you for at least attempting to be fair with your analysis.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@alankeyesiswoesome

McCain is the current underdog in this campaign...if he suspends his campaign, he will not be able to tie the polls by next Sunday, which is what I expect him to be able to do.

Obama should suspend his campaign out of respect for his dying grandmother and also as a courtesy to McCain, so that he can catch up and to level the playing field a bit.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@miatch

I meant rape in the figurative sense, but even in the literal sense I could see the rape of Obama's grandmother happening...nothing is below these Democrats.

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alankeyesiswoesome:

boomshak:

"I am going to spend the rest of this week making sure this one gets into McCain's hands."

Attaboy! Get in your car and drive! I am glad our message is getting across. Excellent. Do you need money for gasoline?

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boomshak:

@DecaturMark:

If Obama doesn't go back on his word and doesn't raise taxes, that means he has extended the Bush Tax Cuts despite fierce opposition from Congress.

I guess anything could happen, but I wouldn't bet the rent check on that pony.

If he manages to do all that and no raise taxes after all, then I'll be happy, my question prevented him from becoming a full-blown socialist.

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miatch:
alankeyesisawesome: Obama should suspend his campaign as a courtesy to McCain, so that he can catch up and to level the playing field a bit.

First you talk about Raping his Grandmother, then you talk about courtesy? What the hell is wrong with you, dude?

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orange24:

No takers on the electoral college road for McCain huh? That's typical. Shouldn't have wasted my time - again. It's like a cartoon, all you have to do is ask about the electoral college and all you hear ar crickets...

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alankeyesisawesome:

@miatch

He should do it as a courtesy to McCain, his fellow senator, not to me. Leave me out of this please.

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OneAngryDwarf:

@boomdope

Enough with your taxes ****. If you hate taxes so much why don't you just give back your Medicare benefits and Social Security? How about if you house catches on fire, or there (heaven forbid) someone breaks into your home and sexually assaults you. Make sure you don't call the police because then you would be you wasting my tax dollars.

If you don't like paying taxes boomdink please feel free to take all that money you don't have and move to a banana republic in Africa. Maybe they'll let you take your mobile home with you. You are in here ranting all the time about taxes but you don't seem to understand a damn thing about them.

I work for a bunch of accountants and do you know what they all say to a man about taxes? They say that in years where there is a recession their customers are much easier to deal with, do you want to know why? Because even though they may have lost 3,4, 500K or more in assets depreciation in the stock market they get to pay a few thousand dollars less in taxes. They can't do basic math and obviously neither can you. Taxes are what pays for the two wars that we are now fighting, taxes are what pays for the streets that you drive on and the schools that you brats attend.

I don't know about you but my business would cease to exist without the roads and infrastructure paid for with my tax dollars. The money that I pay to the government, I easily recoup every year in profits from my enterprise, and then some.

I would think that eventually you would get tired of looking like an ass all the time but you keep proving me wrong. What is it boomdupe? Did your mommy not give you enough attention? Did your uncle give you too much? What is with all of your acting out and going on these stupid rants all the time about **** that you obviously know NOTHING about?

And just so we are clear, I don't really care how you justify it. Those were all rhetorical questions that I know you can't answer, so just keep on keeping on SFB.

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political_junki:

Bigmike:
Fair.
"You can think I am misguided and I can do the same about you."
Very true. and I second kerrchdavis, I have a lot of respect for your style of debating.


"How about we agree that we both want a better Amarica"

Agreed my friend :-)
Cheers

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Pat:

Regarding Obama's grandmother:

Remember this is "NO Drama Obama". He does not like drama around his campaign. She must be very sick.

@alankeyesiswoesome: you are disgusting. Have some respect you jerk.

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kerrchdavis:

@Orange

these idiot Republicans keep screaming that McCain is on the comeback, yet not a single one of them with their illogical, overly creative minds can come up with a single reasonable way McCain can win.

Its a joke. At least boomshak tried with his "I have the question to turn this around" argument although I must admit he would have looked less stupid is he hadn't said anything at all.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@orange24

I'll bite...McCain will win the following states: PA, OH, FL, NC, VA, MN, NV, CO, NM, & IA

Obama will win NH.

Of course not today, but this is what you will see once the polls become tied on Sunday.

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alankeyesiswoesome:

alankeyesisawesome:

@alankeyesiswoesome

"McCain is the current underdog in this campaign...if he suspends his campaign, he will not be able to tie the polls by next Sunday, which is what I expect him to be able to do."


Ye of little faith! And stop equating a great American hero to some dog! Where is your sense of decency?!

The polls have shown that McCain polls better when not campaigning, and especially when his campaign is suspended. I call on Senator McCain to suspend his campaign in order to make for a more competitive race for American Mass Media!


"Obama should suspend his campaign out of respect for his dying grandmother and also as a courtesy to McCain, so that he can catch up and to level the playing field a bit."

I call once again on all alankeys to suspend their posting here out of respect for Obama's dying grandmother so that the rest of the pollster bloggers can catch up on their posts and polls!

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Michael:

"Senator Obama, will you now pledge to the American people, that during your Presidency, no matter how long it lasts, you will not allow a tax increase from current levels of any kind on Americans making under $200,000 a year?"

He'd answer no- as president, he has zero control over many of the taxes most Americans pay (property, sales, etc.).

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Pat:

Bernanke Endorses Obama

I am not kidding.

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alankeyesisawesome:

Pat:

"@alankeyesiswoesome: you are disgusting. Have some respect you jerk."

I agree...whoever that fake poster is needs to get a life!

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miatch:

I second that, Alankeysisawesome should suspend posting out of respect for those who find the thought of Raping Grandmothers out of line.

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alankeyesiswoesome:

alankeyesisawesome:

"I'll bite...McCain will win the following states: PA, OH, FL, NC, VA, MN, NV, CO, NM, & IA"

I would also add MN and PA one more time because McCain is going to win those twice. Oh, and New Mexico twice. Virginia, like, 2.5 times. That alone is over 600 EV's.

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orange24:

I'll bite...McCain will win the following states: PA, OH, FL, NC, VA, MN, NV, CO, NM, & IA

Well, I see any chance at rational discussion has left the building. I should have just went to bed - like I will now.

First a little advice -- Break the meds in half next time. You are clearly over-medicating.

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boomshak:

@kerrchdavis:
Boomshak's question would seal the election...FOR OBAMA.

He could simply say "Yes, I pledge to not raise the taxes of anyone making under 200k a year" and bam, its over. He would not be a traitor to his base and he would seal the middle class independent vote. He would probably even steal some repubs who like Obama but are scared he will become economically too liberal.

It's almost too easy making you look foolish. Please try harder as I enjoy a challenge.

If Obama says "Yes, I pledge to not raise the taxes of anyone making under 200k a year" then he is stuck with that. If he raises taxes (lets the Bush taxcuts expire), he will never be re-elected in 2012.

If he says it and follows through, then he didn't raise taxes and I'll be happy.

Although the idea that a liberal POTUS and a liberal Congress could avoid raising taxes to pay for all their programs is almost inconceivable.

TAKE A PICTURE:
You all are witnessing history. This is the night and this is the Forum where THE GOLDEN QUESTION that defeated Barack Obama was born.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@miatch

I think that thought is out of line, that's why I said that Obama ought to be ashamed of himself if he does it!

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Bigmike:

Polls, what a concept.

Sorry if I got us sidetracked.

It looks bad for the old home, conservative, team. Even so, you don't give up just because you are behind.

How does McCain win? It will have to be an earth shaking event. A BIG TIME slip up by Obama. Not Biden, Obama. VP candidates don't matter. That is what I am hoping for, Obama to screw the pootch. Or some major league dirt on Obama. None of this little league Ayers stuff. Real stuff that makes everyone say WTF.

There are few other possibilities, and we all know it. Major terror attack on the US? I would rather lose the election.

Us cons will be here looking for the smallest gains, just enough to not slam the door shut.

Gloat while you can, libs. I would.

In four years we won't be saddled with a candidate dumb ass enough to go the public financing route. Be ready. We will.

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tom brady:

Where are the Rasmussen polls for Ohio, Florida and Colorado? This isn't FiveThirtyEight - I'm used to seeing everything, no matter who it favors.

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alankeyesiswoesome:

Pat:

"@alankeyesiswoesome: you are disgusting. Have some respect you jerk."

Hey, what did I do?

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

boom, when you were predicting a tied race by Sunday, which Sunday were you referring to?

please, tell us.

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GriffStep:

@alankeyesisawesome

or should I say Stephen Colbert? The serious conservatives among us do not appreciate your satire. Form a human chain around Obama's grandmother to protect her from him if you must.

@alankeyesiswoesome

Alan Keyes is fulsome but not woesome. He's probably going to endorse Obama soon, so I think we should start ignoring him proactively.

@everyone

When will you learn--as sage boomshak admonishes--that you must not pay attention to polls beginning with three captial letters? Also, exit polls are not to be trusted. Wait for the official Diebold count.

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miatch:

Boom, how would McCain answer the same question?

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political_junki:

boomshak:
BOOM, if you go to a Obama crowd and you ask that question. IF the question got "LEAST" amount of attention from anybody except "alankeyesiswoesome" and I will vote for McCain.

Deal?

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boomshak:

@Michael:

"Senator Obama, will you now pledge to the American people, that during your Presidency, no matter how long it lasts, you will not allow a tax increase from current levels of any kind on Americans making under $200,000 a year?"

He'd answer no- as president, he has zero control over many of the taxes most Americans pay (property, sales, etc.).

Complete pathetic dodge.

But thanks, I'll amend my question to:

"Senator Obama, will you now pledge to the American people, that during your Presidency, no matter how long it lasts, you will not allow an income or payroll tax increase from current levels of any kind on Americans making under $200,000 a year?"


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alankeyesiswoesome:

boomshak says:
doesn't matter what.

boomshack, why are you NOT in your car DRIVING to McCain's camp to save the campaign? You are a traitor! Get in that car and drive! For all that is holy in the name of the Jesus, the mother, the son and the wholy ghost and the baby Jesus and all those little pigeons on the ceiling around him!

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Basil:

Bigmike
It's not that conservatives are xenophobic, homophobic and racist. It's that xenophobes, homophobes and racists call themselves conservatives. I'm willing to admit that you, among others, may not be that sort of person at all.

Having grown up in Georgia, most of the so-called conservatives I knew were moderate racists. Many (like my mother), were too polite to say the n-word, so they opted for "nigra". They thought of the Klan (and Lester Maddox) as rednecks who didn't know how to keep their cool while keeping the nigras down.

And they thought of MLK as a local troublemaker who should be jailed rather than lynched. They opposed JFK because he was a Catholic who loved nigras too much (a kid in my Spanish class cheered when JFK was shot, presumably because he thought his parents would approve).

I myself campaigned for Goldwater '64, shook Nelson Rockefeller's hand in '67 and supported Nixon in '68. I like Ayn Rand and William Buckley.

Then I went to college, grew up a little, and realized that "conservatism" was a very logical worldview based on about 10% of the information needed to have an informed opinion.

Th conservatives I still know are big Newt Gingrich fans, and I don't think of them as evil, just maybe underinformed and self-absorbed.


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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

roflmao!! you think politicians haven't ever gone back on what they pledged to do after they got elected??

wow, you're even dumber than I thought. And that is saying something.

Poor boomshak, you've completely lost it. Please call the McCain campaign and tell them what to do. Please go to an Obama rally and ask him. Please, pretty please?

Obama will make you look like a fool. Not that you don't look like one already.

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miatch:

Alan, you brought it up. That came out of your pathetic little brain. No one else mentioned or contemplated such a thing. You are the ill one.

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kerrchdavis:

lol! Go boom, go ask him.

Btw boom, WHEN are the polls supposed to be tied? THIS Sunday? Next sunday?

Please tell us. You know this election is over when Republican supporters stop looking at state strategy to win and instead start focusing on a stupid question.

Boom, WHEN was the race supposed to be tied? Last Sunday>? WHEN??

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boomshak:

@miatch:

Boom, how would McCain answer the same question?

I'll give you my previous comment:

"I will pledge to America right now that I will NEVER raise taxes on the middle-class. And if it looks like the government needs the money that badly, I'll find a way to cut government so we don't need the money.

My opponent, on the other hand, refuses to make this pledge. He refuses because he is planning to raise your taxes once he is in power. His "tax-cut for 95% of Americans" is simply a bait-and-switch. His goal is to get power, expand goverment and raise all of your taxes. He had the chance to promise he wouldn't and instead of giving straight talk, he dodged."

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alankeyesiswoesome:

alankeyesisawesome:

Pat:

"@alankeyesiswoesome: /deleted/

" I agree...whoever that fake poster is needs to get a life! "

I too agree! Also.

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miatch:

So Boom,

basically he'd answer like George Bush the senior, he'd say "Read my lips, no new taxes"

How well did that work out for George?

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CaliforniaIndie:

Too much is made of this golden question. Obama and his people will quite simply continue to beat the "we pledge to cut taxes for 95% of working families" drum. That will be the answer to your question, and there won't be a follow-up because they'll bang the drum again. They will never unequivocally rule anything out, but never say they will raise taxes in any way. A non-answer will be their answer. By now, most smart politicians know a "read my lips" question when they hear one.

Plus, McCain poses questions to Obama every day from his townhall stage and Obama doesn't answer them, nor does anyone remember them. The time for any kind of "golden question" would've been during the debate and that ain't it.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

Boom, was it supposed to be a tied race by last Sunday? Or this Sunday?

Why are you wrong about everything boom? Why do you cough up turds on a regular basis?

Boom, will it be tied by this Sunday? Or was that 3 Sundays ago? Boom, I'm confused

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deeznutsrepubs:

Holy cow! Bernanke endorses OBAMA!! WSJ editorial!!

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political_junki:

Chairman of Federal Reserve endorses a Socialist!
Is this the end of time or what?

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alankeyesiswoesome:

Would everyone PLEASE stop posting to boomshack so that he can get in his car and drive to save the failing campaign of a true American hero and his dog? I mean his wife. And the dog. And Sarah Palin. God bless them all, every single one. With prosperity and bread and wine and earth. And the gifts from the earth, like bread and wine and snow mobiles. And earthworms who make the earth fruitful. May Sarah Palin and Todd Palin go forth an multiply. Many, many more times. And John McCain too, may he be revitalized and experience the joy that is Cindy McCain one more time. May he never leave her, ever, like all those other women we are not going to mention. But most of all, God bless boomshack on his trip to save McCain's campaign from all the evil-doers and dead-enders (liberals) everywhere in the Anti-American parts of America!

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Bigmike:

Basil

I never claimed I wasn't underinformed or self absorbed. But those aren't felonies, so I still get to vote.

Guess I was lucky enough to grow up in a racially diverse environment. Dad was an Army lifer. When JFK was shot, he was locked in a mountain for a week. Mom was scared ****less and just cried the whole time.

I hope I outgrew some of the other "old white guy" diseases. The days of Orville Faubus and Lester Maddox are behind us.

Newt is pretty high on my list, too.

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kerrchdavis:

lol! golden question from boomshak, Mr.Wrong-About-Everything.

I've seen this movie Boom. The suggested hero gets all gung-ho because he has found a way to save the world. He perfects his plan, tells all his friends, and rushes out the door because the planet is at stake.

Unfortunately, he drives his car into a fire hydrant 50 feet down the street and his mom rushes out and slaps him in the face.

People poop better questions than yours Boom you sorry, pathetic nut.

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boomshak:

@miatch:
So Boom,

basically he'd answer like George Bush the senior, he'd say "Read my lips, no new taxes"

That's just the point. If Obama is open to eventually raising taxes for the middle-class, his whole 95% taxcut bs can be exposed as just a bait-and-switch.

"I'll buy your vote for $500 now, but I plan on f*cking you out of thousands later..."

You think ONE QUESTION can't change the world? One plumber playing football in the front yard with his son asked Obama one question and his lead has been knocked in half.

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kerrchdavis:

@alankeysiswoesome

ROFLMAO!

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boomshak:

@kerrchdavis:

You don't argue well. I suggest a new hobby.

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zotz:

boom-
"I'll find a way to cut government so we don't need the money."

Sure, he will cut a trillion off of medicare so the middle class can have the choice whether to pay for their elderly parents medical bills or just let them die.

Choice and small government! That is what American people want! As far as poor children and old parents are concerned, well they shouldn't expect us to pay for them, not when I'm chasing the American dream.

That is the way Republicans think. And that is why the rest of us are so sick of you!

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miatch:

Boom,

why is Bernanke and Ken Adelman in the tank for Obama? Just cuz their black militants like Powell?

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

"You don't argue well. I suggest a new hobby."

lol, this is the best you can do?? tell us boom, tied race by this Sunday? Can we get a prediction this week or will you be too busy driving around trying to save the McCain campaign, you lunatic?

A new hobby might not be a bad idea for me, actually. My foot is getting tired from kicking your ass.

Anyway, don't you have a plane to catch? Which state are you going to go to to save McCain's campaign, you tool?

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kerrchdavis:

@miatch

don't you see, everyone that supports Obama is a socialist. This includes Colin Powell, Warren Buffet and Bernanke.

Where did all these damn socialists come from?

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boomshak:

@deeznutsrepubs:

Holy cow! Bernanke endorses OBAMA!! WSJ editorial!!

Lol, I don't think sitting Fed Chairmen are allowed to endorse candidates for President and it would be political suicide for them if they did and were wrong.

Can you link to this endorsement? Is he actually "endorsing him for POTUS" or simply saying he agrees with him on some point?

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Bigmike:

OK, anyone have a link for Bernanke endorsing Obama? Give me some proof if you can.

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alankeyesiswoesome:


OK, boomshack, I have cleared the way, nobody is going to bother you any more. Please get in your car (or any other vehicle of your choice) and drive most expediently and expeditiously, and may little baby Jesus all cute in his manger bless you on your hajj. I mean, trek. I mean, not the bicycle, trek, but the hajj aspect of the trek.

Did you remember to pack some chicken for the road and some flairs, just in case? Do you know where you are going? Do you need directions.

Hey, if anybody knows where Senator McCain is campaigning tomorrow morning in person, please post that so that boomshack can get there in time from North Carolina, which is going dark blue under his very feet? Thank you!

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zotz:

kerrchdavis-
He can't leave his room. He is in a plastic bubble.

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kerrchdavis:

Here you go Boom:

*
October 21, 2008
8:00 AM - Rally with John McCain in Bensalem, Pa.
with John McCainRally with John McCain in Bensalem, Pa.
*
October 21, 2008
12:00 PM - Rally with John McCain in Harrisburg, Pa.
with John McCainRally with John McCain in Harrisburg, Pa
*
October 21, 2008
3:30 PM - Rally in Pittsburgh, Pa. with John McCain
with John McCainRally in Pittsburgh, Pa. with John McCain

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boomshak:

@Bigmike:

OK, anyone have a link for Bernanke endorsing Obama? Give me some proof if you can.

I just got done Googling this "endorsement" and am not finding anything.

Can we get a link please?

I've just checked every MSM website. Nothing on this. Help me out here.

P.S., This is probably just like the bullsh*t "Lugar Endorsement" where Lugar just said he agreed partially with one of Baracks' approaches and they trumpetted it as an "endorsement".

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political_junki:
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kerrchdavis:

go get 'em boom! make us all in this forum proud! Slay the socialist dragon by shooting turd pellets out of your mouth at high velocity..do it!

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MNLatteLiberal:

good lord, how long does it take to drive away a troll?! well, at least one of them is gone.
alankeysbegone. lol.

so, boom, how are we feeling this evening? a bit feisty, I see? Good. Getting closer to BARGAINING, eh? Good, good. All good progress. Remarkable.

Is anyone saving these? I think if we can get boom to sign the "best of boomshack" anthology, we'd have a best seller. the only issue is what section it'd go in the bookstore. Religion? General Fiction? Humor?
See? this is why it's a best seller. It is beyond genre, it defies pigeon-holing.

Boom, again, how are you?

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miatch:

I can't find it either Boom.

But what about Ken Adelman? He wrote this, damn commie:

When the economic crisis broke, I found John McCain bouncing all over the place. In those first few crisis days, he was impetuous, inconsistent, and imprudent; ending up just plain weird. Having worked with Ronald Reagan for seven years, and been with him in his critical three summits with Gorbachev, I’ve concluded that that’s no way a president can act under pressure. Second is judgment. The most important decision John McCain made in his long campaign was deciding on a running mate. That decision showed appalling lack of judgment. Not only is Sarah Palin not close to being acceptable in high office—I would not have hired her for even a mid-level post in the arms-control agency. But that selection contradicted McCain’s main two, and best two, themes for his campaign—Country First, and experience counts. Neither can he credibly claim, post-Palin pick.[10]

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political_junki:

@MNLatteLiberal:
BOOM has found a way to DESTROY Obama. He is going to do it in a few days.

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kerrchdavis:

@MN

He's doing good. He wants to save McCain's campaign but he hasn't yet figured out how to close his web browser and get off his chair.

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MNLatteLiberal:

22:53 top right hand corner of this very page:
Bernanke Endorses Obama

or

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122455027730552509.html

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political_junki:
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DTM:

Back on September 12, in Dover, NH, Obama said the following:

"And I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase - not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

See here:

http://www.nhpr.org/node/17609

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Boris_Dieter:

@boomshak

Bigmike is wrong. There was no endorsement. WSJ was being ironic by referring to Bernanke's apparent support of the Democratic effort to produce another stimulus package directed at households. WSJ headline was misleading

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political_junki:

THANK YOU DTM :-)

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miatch:

From this link:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122455027730552509.html

He endorses Obama's stimulus plan, not presidency. It's still a major slap in the face to McCain

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Bigmike:

political_junki

Not an endorsement.

WSJ used the headline to embarass Bernanke.

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political_junki:

@BIGMIKE:
I know, my bad. This banner to the right of pollster.com fooled me :|

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kerrchdavis:

@DTM

ROFLMAO! SO HE ALREADY MADE THE PLEDGE!!!! BOOM, LOL, YOU WERE ABOUT TO ASK A QUESTION THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.

Fortunately for you, you're a man of talk and not action. Otherwise, you would have embarrassed yourself...yet again.

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boomshak:

@miatch:

But what about Ken Adelman?

Obama has made a living by "doing nothing". He waits on the real leaders to make all the tough choices while he remains thoughtful and considering all options.

Then once the actual solution appears, he comes forward and says, "I have said from the beginning, this has been my position and I want to encourage everyone to come together as Americans behind this idea..."

The man is completely full of sh*t.

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MNLatteLiberal:

@political_junki
I know, I bought boom a tank full of gas for the trip.

This just in:
Breaking news: boom, I agree to purchase all the gasoline you need to get to Harrisburg PA.

Do you have enough money to get back? Or will you travel along with McCampaign sorta like a lalapalooza (however you spell it)

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political_junki:

BOOM READ THIS YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER WEY TO ****DESTROY**** OBAMA:

----------------------------------------------

Back on September 12, in Dover, NH, Obama said the following:

"And I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase - not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

See here:

http://www.nhpr.org/node/17609

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kerrchdavis:

@boom

so boom, you great GOLD-QUESTION idea that was going to save McCain's election already had an answer that was VOLUNTEERED by Obama.

Do you intentionally try to act stupid or is this all an accident?

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miatch:

Boom,
how does that answer that the most conservative dude in the country, Ken Adelman, endorses Obama?

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kerrchdavis:

@boom

maybe you should do some research before you commit to making yourself look like a fool.

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Bigmike:

Or, as I say in my elegant moments.


What Boris said.

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miatch:

Kerrch,

Boom has no fear of looking the fool. He actually said we should all LAUGH AT HIM if the race was not a "statistical" tie by, was that 2 weeks ago?

And we have been laughing at him since. Boom likes to be the bud of the joke.

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boomshak:

@political_junki:
BOOM READ THIS YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER WEY TO ****DESTROY**** OBAMA:

----------------------------------------------

Back on September 12, in Dover, NH, Obama said the following:

"And I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase - not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

No, no, no! You are missing the point. He is saying "under his plan no family will see an increase...". He is not pledging to never raise taxes.

If he decides to raise taxes, he will simply say, "unforseen circimstances have arisen that make my original plan unworkable, therefore, I have a new plan..."

He can claim he isn't lying because his pledge was only related to his plan which no longer exists.

It's all double-speak.

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miatch:

Boom,

I got a better idea to destroy Obama. You have to get Bush & Cheney to have a joint press conference where they endorse Obama.

That's the ticket! You read it here, first!

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kerrchdavis:

Boy, it's a good thing Boom is too lazy to actually act when his candidates chances are on the in jeopardy. He was going to slither all the way to PA to ask a question that had already been answered.

phew~

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Bigmike:

If I ever run for anything, I damn sure want Boom on my team.

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zotz:

This is the WSJ. It sounds like they are really pissed!

"Perhaps Mr. Bernanke's blunderbuss political intrusion will win him more Democrat friends, and maybe even Mr. Obama's goodwill. To the rest of the world, he has harmed the Fed and made himself less credible."

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kerrchdavis:

"No, no, no! You are missing the point. He is saying "under his plan no family will see an increase...". He is not pledging to never raise taxes."

ROFLMAO! The ultimate spin master at his best!!

pathetic. fail.

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Bigmike:

zotz

Historically the Fed has stayed away from politics. As far away as they possibly can. Apparently the WSJ thinks Bernanke has waded in a little to deep.

There were those who think that if Friedman had been on top of things a little more than he was in 88 GHWB would have beaten Clinton. As I understand it, daddy Bush still blames Friedman.

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Basil:

Bigmike

Gingrich comes from one of the biggest corporate welfare districts in the country. It's easy to talk about low taxes and small gov't when the Lockheed Marietta plant is on your home turf.

As much as I appreciate the judicious use of military force, the GOP now represents a neo-fascist corporate militarism that has lowered our standing in the world and kills innocent people for economic/political reasons without remorse.

Not to mention environmental destruction...

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political_junki:

boomshak:
You wanted to ask him the question, you thought it would destroy him. He has already answered it and he would probably LOVE you to ask the question.

Now lets look at it this way:
Isnt funny that somebody has already asked the question and guess what?

*****************SHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBAMA is still there!

HE IS NOT DESTROYED!
HE LEADS IN THE POLES!!

BOOM, WHAT THE HELL?

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boomshak:

@zotz:

Good lord! Obama endorsed the Dem's stimulus package, he DID NOT ENDORSE OBAMA FOR POTUS!

Geesh.

This is OLD news.

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alankeyesiswoesome:


boomshack, I am seriously starting to question your patriotism. No wonder you live in what is quickly becoming a very UN-AMERICAN part of AMERICA!

What are you still doing here?! McCain NEEDS you! Let me put it this way to you, who here needs you more than great American hero and doglover John McCain? Nobody, that's who!

Nobody here needs you, and John McCain needs you BADLy. You need to pull away from the succubus that is your keyboard and computer screen, get in your car and drive to Pensylvannia, where, I repeat, John McCain NEEDS you and your head full of most excellent ideas!


Just think of how much John McCain will be able to accomplish with your help! Here are some of the things I imagine (in no particular order):
1) Defeat Communism in Soviet Union
2) Defeat Communism in Soviet Union
3) Defeat Communism in Soviet Union one more time
4) Defeat Communism in America
5) Find some other place to defeat Communism and then defeat it
6) Defeat Communism in Soviet Union one more time just to be on the safe side

See? Now go!
Godbless and godspeed. (But please to obey the posted speed limits!)

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kerrchdavis:

@political

He should have done some research first. The guy is pretty stupid.

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political_junki:

Bigmike:

"If I ever run for anything, I damn sure want Boom on my team."

He is in McSame's team, look how he is doing :)

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miatch:

@ Boom,
it can't be that OLD. it's dated tomorrow.

And so the FED endorses Obama's stimulus package. Isn't that his field of expertise? I mean, if he said he likes Obama's economics, but McCain's military policy, wouldn't that really be endorsing Obama?

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Bigmike:

Basil

"As much as I appreciate the judicious use of military force, the GOP now represents a neo-fascist corporate militarism that has lowered our standing in the world and kills innocent people for economic/political reasons without remorse."

Give me a frakin break. Your lib heros JFK and LBJ didn't do the same thing in Vietnam? Only difference there is a lot MORE people were killed. Why? Some some libs could thump their chest and say "Look, I'm not a weenie, I fight communism too."

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boomshak:

@political_junki:

Lol, he DID NOT answer the question. As usual, he neatly wrapped it with an escape clause.

"Under his plan..." is not the same as "Under no circumstances...". He can claim that forces beyond his control forced him to change "his plan" and thus, he must raise taxes.

Classic Obama dodge.

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kerrchdavis:

@boomshak

no politician would commit to that "under no cirsumstances." lol! what a stupid argument...but hey, why are we arguing about this? GO ASK HIM!

Do you need directions to PA?

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political_junki:

Classic BOOMSHAK spin!

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Bigmike:

Note to Mike

READ before hitting post.

It must be getting late. If it doesn't make sense, slap me and I will try again.

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boomshak:

Barack Obama:

"And I can make a firm pledge. Under my plan no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase - not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."

So this means Obama will NOT allow the Bush Tax Cuts to expire?

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miatch:

Big Mike, why stop at JFK and LBJ? FDR and Truman were also unfortunately in the killing business.

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political_junki:

I will be getting my divorce papers in the mail pretty soon if I spend more time here!
Talk to you later guys :)

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Bigmike:

miatch

There were some pretty good reasons for WW2.

ALL wars are for economic/political reasons. Iraq wasn't any different.

Don't take my word. Ask about 50 Dem senators who voted for it.

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zotz:

"As usual, he neatly wrapped it with an escape clause."

Obama understands complexity and nuance. Those are not dirty words. They are not signs of weakness or duplicity. They indicate intelligence and understanding. McCain thinks that the world is simple. There is right, wrong, good, and evil. He has a simplistic mind. The problems we face are not simple. The job of POTUS is above McCain's ability and he would be a disaster.

Obama is the clear choice.

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boomshak:

A HISTORY LESSON ON OBAMA STICKING TO HIS "PLANS":

"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election." --Barack Obama, answer to Midwest Democracy Network questionnaire, September 2007.

AND THEN 16 MONTHS LATER:

Fast forward 16 months. Both Obama and McCain have locked up their party's nominations for the presidency. Obama announces that the system of public financing "is broken," and he will rely on his well-oiled private fundraising machine.

WELL, I GUESS HIS ORIGINAL "PLAN" JUST HAD TO CHANGE WITH THE TIMES, EH?

You see, "plans" can change with the underlying circumstances. Unconditional promises cannot.

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alankeyesiswoesome:

boomshack, are you in communication with John McCain yet? Please stop wasting precious time with the little liberals when we have the BIG COMMUNISM to defeat. Every second is precious, every drop of bodily fluid must be preserved!


Please, for the love of baby Jesus do not even take the time to respond to this post, just go. Establish communication with the Mother Ship (McCain Campaign). I will hold the fort for you while you are gone. I know who the enemies are. I will scold them for you. Extra harsh!

The likes of political_junki and kerrchdavis, consider yourselves scolded in advance!

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Bigmike:

political_junki

Divorce is over rated. Trust me on this one.

Goodnight

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boomshak:

zotz:
"As usual, he neatly wrapped it with an escape clause."

Obama understands complexity and nuance.

Allow me to paraphrase:

"Obama is completely full of sh*t, but it's ok because it's really high quality, thoughtful, nuanced sh*t..."

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alankeyesiswoesome:


Poster zotz and other scoundrels! You are keeping a great man from his great cause, from fulfulling his great promise! How does that make you feel?!

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alankeyesisawesome:

It's not surprising that Ben Bernanke is endorsing Obama...I don't trust him...he is singlehandedly responsible for the mess that we find ourselves in today.

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zotz:

boom-
As usual, when you lose an argument you start cursing. Well, good luck with that!

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alankeyesiswoesome:

alankeyesisawesome:

It's not surprising that Ben Bernanke is endorsing Obama...I don't trust him...he is singlehandedly responsible for the mess that we find ourselves in today.

You fail to live up to your great name, fake alankeyes! Socialist Bernanke did not endorse Socialist Obama. You ought to be more careful before jumping to such Socialist conclusions!
Stop relying on conclusions of others and do your own homework!

Shame on you, fake allahkeyes! You, sir, are a false allah!

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Bigmike:

alankeyesisawesome:

It's not surprising that Ben Bernanke is endorsing Obama...I don't trust him...he is singlehandedly responsible for the mess that we find ourselves in today.

Singlehandedly may be just a little much. And it leaves out Carter, Clinton, Janet Reno, Franklin Raines, Barney Frank, and, yes, Dubya.

It was Carter and Clinton era re-development programs that forced lendors to make loans to unqualified buyers. Dubya could have done something about it, but instead he went around crowing that home ownership is at an all time high. That's the short version anyway.

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boomshak:

BRUTAL NEW AD COMING OUT TYING OBAMA TO AYERS:

This one is rough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfF15cUc9AM

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Bigmike:

Enough for me. I should have called it quits a while ago.

Vote early.

For those in Ohio and Chicago, vote early and often.

Goodnight

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alankeyesisawesome:

@Bigmike

Looking at your list, I guess a lot of the people that you mention are democrats, so I might have to agree with you on this. I'm sure Obama also supported this kind of chicanery.

Only McCain can fix this situation we're in.

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MNLatteLiberal:

Most regrettably it leaves out Senator Gramm:

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/10/matt_taibbi_and_byron_york_but.html

and, perhaps a bit more cerebral:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/53802.html

in short, the unqualified lenders causing the financial meltdown is right wing poppycock.
and racist. but most importantly: DEAD WRONG.

read it, Mike, and please be objective.
TIA

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VonnegutIce9:

Running a covert campaign targeting GOP senators

By The Associated Press – 12 hours ago

Excerpts from a 19-page document, "Freddie Mac Field Program State by State Summary Report," dated Dec. 12, 2005. It shows that Freddie Mac and Republican consulting firm DCI targeted 17 GOP senators in a campaign to build opposition to a tough regulatory bill. The campaign began shortly after the Senate Banking Committee sent the measure to the full Senate on July 28, 2005.

The senators were Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, Christopher "Kit" Bond and Jim Talent of Missouri, Conrad Burns of Montana, Mike DeWine of Ohio, Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Olympia Snowe of Maine, Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island, George Allen of Virginia, Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, Mike Crapo of Idaho, Jim Bunning of Kentucky, Larry Craig of Idaho, John Ensign of Nevada, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, George Voinovich of Ohio and David Vitter of Louisiana.

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alankeyesisawesome:

@boomshak
Is that just a web ad or is it also going to air?

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c2farr:

We are entering the phase of the game where the kid
who's going to lose the chess match is the last to
realize it. He is now cocking back his arm to try to
scatter the pieces off the table.

Look for desperate maneuvers that will backfire into
an Obama landslide.

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MNLatteLiberal:

sorry for the inadvertent deletion:
"It was Carter and Clinton era re-development programs that forced lenders to make loans to unqualified buyers" is right wing poppycock.

my keyboard decided to delete a line entirely on its own.

~ Latte

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alankeyesiswoesome:

alankeyesisawesome:
@boomshak

Poster alankeyesisawesome, kindly refrain from distracting poster boomshak! Poster boomshack is on a mission from GOD to save Senator McCain's Campaign and as such cannot be bothered right now. Please stand aside. Thank you.

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c2farr:

The crackpot wingnut Bimbaugh minions are
about to get very pissed for 8 great years,
then probably 8 more.

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Bigmike:

MNLatteLiberal

OK, just for you, I gave up a little precious sack time and read them. First of all, there is nothing racist about any of this.

Note that I said my post was the "short version." Nothing in either article convinces me that the sub-prime mortgages are not at the heart of this. I don't say Fannie/Freddie, although they certainly participated. Sure many were private sector only loans.

I know you guys want to blame it all on Gramm and McCain. Credit default swaps. They added to the problem. But if there were not many defaults there would be nothing to swap, now would there? The root cause is still mortgage defaults.

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Basil:

Mike

In case you're still around, JFK and LBJ weren't my heroes, especially not in Viet Nam.

It's just that I don't expect a less militaristic US policy to come from the right. As an Oregonian, Wayne Morse was my idea of a good guy.

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Bigmike:

VonnegutIce9

It is called lobbying. Nothing illegal.

Nor does your post suggest that any of the named senators did anything inappropriate. That may be what you want to infer.

And since when do 17 GOP senators decide what gets passed out of the senate? That is not enough to keep a filibuster going.

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Bigmike:

Been a blast, but I really have to go.

Basil,

You will have to tell me sometime, or I will have to google it, just who Wayne Morse is.

My own first choice as a good guy is not a household name either. John Danforth.

Bye

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johncoz:

boom,

I just watched the "ad" you linked. I am sickened beyond words. Not content with banging the bogus drum of Ayers, your lunatic co-thinkers now seek to link Obama to Gacy, Bundy, the Oklahoma bomber, etc.

America faces vast challenges on every front, and all you have to offer is this horrible, Nazi-style rubbish, and incoherent blithering about "socialism".

You should be ashamed.


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VonnegutIce9:

I said nothing, you inferred on your own Big Mike. Just an AP article I saw and thought I would share.

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Bigmike:

VonnegutIce9

Apologies.

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jeepdad:

Big Zogby numbers!

Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Poll: Obama 50.3%, McCain 42.4%

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bill kapra:

OMG

Zogby 50.3-42.4 !

Strange polling day for McCain. Interesting to see how other samples take the 20th. Powell?

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Boris_Dieter:

@boomshak

I watched that ad. As someone who had family members wounded and one killed as a result of the Vietnam War, I eventually decided to oppose the war. I attended several rallies opposing the war in Chicago and in Milwaukee. At those rallies there were people standing next to me with terrible posters and others who at the time we confronted the cops at the court buildings there burned American flags. Many of us tried to stop that stuff, and most of us opposed those kinds of anti-American displays. I suppose if you had a picture of me there next to those guys you'd be able to claim my political activism was launched in concert with those jerks. It would be implying that we were motivated in the same way. It would be a horrid distortion and lie.
By the way, I worked for Barry Goldwater in Chicago and voted against Nixon in 1968 and voted Democratic for the first time in my life. Since then, I've split my ticket between the GOP and the Dems regularly until the current Bush Administration. The GOP now reeks of the stench that brought it shame and dishonor in the past. The stuff that is being said and the tactic of that you-tube video are reprehensible. It's no wonder that Colin Powell and other conservatives of principle are dumping their party card for this election. What a digusting, nauseating bunch the GOP ticket and campaign are.

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johncoz:

@jeepdad

Well, that's interesting because of the 2 point drop for McCain. Mind you, who knows with Zogby ...

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straight talk:

Folks let us get back to the issue at hand! Obama is approaching lanslide territory. McCain did not gain in the polls. He only excited the base for one last ride. There is one thing that people forget and I know that Obama has not forgot because he is too disciplined and smart to forget. HE HAS NOT BEEN ON THE STAGE WITH BILL CLINTON YET! This event will draw plenty of attention. And it will dominate the media! I hate the fact that McCain did not pick ROMney! What an idiot campain!

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jeepdad:

@bill

Powell is the most likely cause I think. Looks like it gave some moderate Repubs some pause.

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VonnegutIce9:

The Republicans are relying entirely on ad hominem attacks, which in Greek times would have been laughed at. Unfortunately, the majority of Americans do not understand what an ad hominem attack is, nor are they aware of the basic principles of reason which would make their political decisions much easier for them.

In my view, politics should be easy, and boring. Listen to the arguments made on all sides, make sure they are reasonable arguments directed at issues and not personal attacks, make a little score sheet and let it decide for you...

Undecided voters have to be the most reprehensible individuals I can imagine, but then again, that is an ad hominem argument, and those people should not worry because my argument against them is not valid...

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Boris_Dieter:

Folks, I know that Obama will win. What I hate is that this honorable man, with whom honorable people can disagree will be confronted instead by a hateful, snarling, deluded opposition from the right. Its congressional presence will try to blow up anything that would suggest an Obama success. They will produce lie and situate yet other lies on top of their preceding lies to convince themselves that an honorable man has beaten them. They will ignore the horrific damage they've caused our nation. I am just sad, because the short-lived joy of an Obama victory will be followed by very ugly times. I want to live in a country that is united and mobilized to take on the challenges of the next century and to take on our competition in the world in civilized ways and thereby make the planet better for our children. I am just weary of having to fight my own co-citizens who seem to have buried their minds in some never-never land of the previous three centuries and have their gaze fixed on the back of the cave rather than on the light of the outside. It's sad. I need some rest.

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katocat:

@bigmike

"All wars are for economical/political reasons. Iraq wasn't any different.

Don't take my word. Ask about 50 Dem senators who voted for it."

I guess I won't take your word Mike:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:H.J.Res._114_Iraq_Resolution_Votes_October_2002.png

Nice try though.

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Pat:

@straight talk:

That is a good point. During the primary, Obama camp was very good at knowing when to play major events. They are even better at it now. I would not be surprised if they have planned other major endorsements (Chuck Hagel?) and big news events (Obama and Bill together). I think he will dominate the news next week.

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cinnamonape:

Kerrrchdavis: Regarding that new hobby. Ever tried soccer...at least the balls move ;-)

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straight talk:

Folks look for Obama and Bill Clinton to unite for Change! If I had to guess where probably in Virginia! It is must see TV! As for as the race goes! LOok for The McCain Camp to attack REV WRIGHT!!!! EEEEWWWWH. The last Gop that tried these attacks encouraged the AA communities to get up and vote. In which the GOp had two upset losses in LA and MS! If Obama wanted to drag out the Colin Powell ordeal. He just needs to remind everyone that the McCain Camp leaked out rumors that Powell was being considered as his running mate!

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Can there be an "out-of-control orgy"?:

***ZOGBY TUESDAY***

Democrat Barack Obama has opened an 8-point lead over Republican John McCain two weeks before the U.S. presidential election, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Tuesday.

Obama leads McCain 50 percent to 42 percent among likely U.S. voters in the latest three-day tracking poll, up from a 6-point advantage for Obama on Monday. The telephone poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

"It was another very big day for Obama," said pollster John Zogby. "Things clearly are moving in Obama's direction."

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miatch:

The Ayers ad Boom posted was weakness. All of America has moved on and doesn't give a wit. Republicans believe all Americans are dumb, just because most Republicans are.

Just for the record, Ayers was (1) found guilty of NOTHING (2) Never said he should have "bombed more" (3) Now works with just as many republicans as democrats (4) Did NOT launch Obama's career

Through our chats on this page, Boom is more directly associated with me than Ayers is with Obama. Does that make Boom accountable for things I did when he was 8?

And a question I have about terrorists: Isn't the thing that makes them "really" bad is that they attack innocent civilians rather than military targets? If so, doesn't planning an attack on the Pentagon count as a military rather than terrorist attack?

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burrito:

Bad day for boomshak ... Obama up by 8 in Zogby ... Zogby!! Zogby is the one that boomshak chose as the most accurate pollster when they said that Obama was up by 2 only !! but then, boomshak and alankeyesisawesome do that all the time ... they cherry-pick polls ... but I think that they are running out of pollsters ... so, like the McCain camp, we should be prepared for some other "distraction" from boomshak, etal ... such as Obama is a socialist, or a fascist, or not religious enough, or too religious ... ohhh, wait ... boomshak has a question that no one can answer ...

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Marcus:

Zogby:

O: 50,3
M: 42,4

WoW ... i guess we wont see that as a Drudge Report headliner.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1600

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political_junki:
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Mike In Maryland:

lhtk said...
"Actually, Kerry won 251 EVs in 2004"

Kerry won states totaling 252 EC votes. However, one Kerry Elector in Minnesota voted for John Edwards (President) and John Edwards (Vice President).

Thus you are one EC vote low when you state:
"but the point is the same. 251 + IA (7) = 258."

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Ryguy:

awesome video political junki.

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bmrKY:

"political_junki:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=243gXtXtEwc"

I find it frightening that there are actually people out there who think like some of those seen in this video. Their the reason why I don't publically broadcast my political views on myspace and facebook. I actually think some of these people are legitimately insane and believe the stuff they are saying about Obama. Some of the statements made prove to me that we will never be a united country, no matter how hard we try.

We just have to stand up in the face of this kind of ignorance and intollerance once and for all on November 4th, and send these people a STRONG AND RESOUNDING message that we no longer want to live in an America where we are accused of not being patriotic enough just because we champion liberal causes and candidates, we no longer want to live in an America where ignorance and stupidity is considered "down to Earth" and where intelligence and good judgment is considered "elitist." I have faith in my lord that our country is better than these past 8 years, and that it will rise up in the face of this fear and intolerance expressed by some in an attempt to scare people into not voting, and will elect Barack Obama IN SPITE of all that.

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zen:


North Carolina.
PPP (oct. 18-19)
Obama 51 Maccain 44

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maddiekat:

I sure hope McCain attacks Obama with the Wright issue while Obama is visiting his Grandmother because I would love to see Obama win this thing by 10%.

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Vokoban:

@bmrKY:

Head in the sand is also down to earth.

Honestly: you cannot expect 300 million people to be united. But you're absolutely right that respect for different opinions is what democracy is about.

And the "if you're not for us you're against us" rhetoric of the neocons definitely did not help democracy.

And while hoping not to insult your religious feelings: I fear god - if it exists - is not interested in the state of the USA (or any country in the world). That's human business, not god's.

It's about time to again strictly separate religion and government.

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Vokoban:

Okay, it's Zogby - so for what it's worth:

"Obama leads by 21 points among those who have already voted (...)"

Are there any numbers from other pollsters who can confirm this?

If so: That's a headstart McCain will find very difficult to overcome, especially given the high turnout in early voting.

That's a sign for excitement on Obama's side and lukewarm support on McCain's side probably even more alarming to the McCain campaign than the sheer polling numbers.

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vmval1:

Can we please refer to Zogby as 'Dartboard' from now on?

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Vokoban:

On a lighter note: isn't it funny that the McCain campaign asked for a donation - and of all addressed the Russian ambassador?

To be fair: it probably was an accident. But it speaks for a rather confuse campaign organisation. That was not an e-mail. It was a six pages letter.

Embarrassing...

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