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US: Obama Nationality (Kos 7/27-30)


Daily Kos (D) / Research 2000
7/27-30/09; 2,400 adults, 2% margin of error
743 Democrats
527 Republicans
601 independents
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Daily Kos: weekly poll, Obama birth)

National

Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?
77% Yes, 11% No
Dems: 93 / 4
Reps: 42 / 28
inds: 83 / 8

Favorable / Unfavorable
Obama: 62 / 36 (chart)
Nancy Pelosi: 34 / 56
Democratic Party: 45 / 48
Republican Party: 19 / 72

State of the Country
42% Right Direction, 53% Wrong Track (chart)

 

Comments
sjt22:

Sigh

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sjt22:

Do you suppose that 11% is the same group who still thinks Elvis is alive?

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Stillow:

What a stupid poll to conduct....Kos is trying to distract from real debates like health care at the same time they are trying to link the far right wing kooks to average repubs and conservatives by doing this dopy poll.

Silly, silly Kos...................

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IdahoMulato:

So 11% of Americans believe Prez Obama is not an American. This is disturbing indeed. So what would a native American think about the white people in America? These are nativist and wackos on the fringe of American society.

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Bigmike:

Hawaii says he was born there, good enough for me.

No matter where he was born, I heard all of the cash for clunkers buzz at lunch and had the best laugh I have had in months.

What more proof do you need that these guys do not understand basic market forces. Given that, what more do you need to convince you that govt health care and cap and trade are not good ideas.

Just imagine if we all had $4500, or even a fraction of that, to spend on school supplies, IT upgrades, or anything else. The economy would soar. Jobs would open up like crazy. And being able to spend it as you choose is called Liberty.

But it won't happen because that is called a tax cut.

So sad.

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Stillow:

That is right. The g'ment could not even properly run a small 1 billion dollar program...and yet liberals want them to run a multi trillion dollar whole industry, health care.

These people in g'ment are idiots and they have no idea how things work. A small little program and its already out of money a few weeks into it...............oh but we should trust their estimates on helath care?

Its pure madness...........I don't know if I want to laugh or cry.

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sjt22:

They couldn't properly run it? It seems to me like the program they created was super popular, hence the reason it was running out of money. In order to say they didn't understand market forces, wouldn't the program have to have little to no interest?

As for tax cuts: we had one this year (it was 35% of the stimulus bill). We had one last year, and several other times over the last decade.

And I wouldn't blame Kos for pointing out the stupidity which abounds among our populace. They didn't start the "birther" movement. If Republicans want to be taken seriously they should sit down with these lunatics and explain to them how their insanity is making the rest of the GOP look bad by association.

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Stillow:

@sjt22

There's kooks on both sides, your smart enough to know that...............right?

And the cash for clunkers was funded by the g'ment....and is with almost every isngle thing they do, they get it wrong. They underfunded it which means now they gotta go out and find money for it....its laughable because that is the case with everything in g'ment. They get it wrong everytime......that is what makes their cost esitmates for g'ment run health care a joke....no one really thinks their numbers will be right, it'll be triple what they project at the very best....

I even think you libs know g'ment run healht care will be a bust to our finances, but your desire to have g'ment have total control overrides everything else.

The g'ment always gets it wrong, cash for clunkers just goes into a pile of a never endling list of things the g'ment gets wrong. Its amazing. You guys actually want them running health care, yikes!

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RussTC3:

Hah, only 42% of Republicans believe President Obama was born in the USA! That's hilarious.

What's even more funny is how the Republicans utterly FAILED on the additional science question asked:

QUESTION: Do you believe that America and Africa were once part of the same continent?

YES NO NOT SURE

ALL 42% 26% 32%

DEM 51% 16% 33%
REP 24% 47% 29%
IND 44% 23% 33%
OTH/REF 42% 25% 33%
NON VOTERS 46% 22% 32%

LOL, 47% of Republicans were confident in their No vote and only 24% in their Yes?

Heh. Looks like our biggest problem in this country is ignorance. South doesn't look too good either:

NORTHEAST 50% 18% 32%
SOUTH 32% 37% 31%
MIDWEST 46% 22% 32%
WEST 43% 24% 33%

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Stillow:

@RussTC3

Your right ignorance is a big problem. We have to many people who actually take a poll conducted by a radical left wing fringe blog site seriously...............but we are just going to have to live with you guys!

If you guys were not so dangerous you'd be nothing more than comedy. Your actually taking seriously a poll done by a fringe liberal blog site............next your going to tell me Keith Olberman is unbias....and Michael Moore and George Soros are mainstream.........

You guys....at least your always good for a laugh or two.

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RussTC3:

Stillow:
What are you talking about, Stillow? The Republicans were just doing what they always manage to do -- fail in governing.

The House Bill called for $4B in funding but the Republicans in the Senate managed to reduce that bill significantly, ending up funding only $1B in their write-up.

Fortunately Democrats made sure that the provision was written so that additional funding could be approved later, which is, surprise surprise, exactly what has happened.

Hmmm, I think I just provided an example of something I commented on above...

;)

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Stillow:

@RussTC3:

There ya go again..........! Your so blinded by liberal rhetoric you are totally void of the abilityto see what happened.

Does your back ever hurt from having your head buried i nthe sand?

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RussTC3:

I'm not getting into an argument over this, but Research 2000 is the one conducting the poll on behalf of Daily Kos (who are indeed a liberal web site).

Daily Kos isn't conducting the survey(s). Research 2000 is and their a a very respected organization.

And I'm not sure what you're surprised about. During the election there were multiple polls that showed 10 or so percent of the nation believing then-candidate Obama was a Muslim.

You shouldn't be shocked by this result.

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Stillow:

Again, there is kooks on both sides. Do you know how many Dems thought the forged documents from CBS in hte 2004 campaign were legit? Even after they were proven to be forged?

You can take a kooky websites poll seriously if you want, the rest of us will sit back and let you guys feel all fuzzy about it.

Do you know how many Dems out there think Lincoln was a democrat too?

If you want to treat kooks as legit, thats your thing, the rest of us don't.

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IdahoMulato:

These lunatics who believe Obama was a muslim are the same people who think he's not a native born citizen. It's the same crowd who don't trust anything government. I thought they don't like any government program. Is the cash for clunkers program program? Since thry don't trust or believe in government, why should they trust anthing that Hawaii tells them that Obama was born there? Why should they believe his birth certificate is genuine? Most of these far rightwing nuts cannot get over it. They still cannot accept that Obama is the president.

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RussTC3:

Correction from my comment above: "they're a respected..."

I hate when I make those mistakes, so I have to correct. :)

Anyways, getting back to your last comment, I wasn't arguing that there aren't, or weren't, crazy people in both parties. I'm focused entirely on this poll.

Because you see, you can't just ignore a result that shows that 42% of a NATIONAL party believe a LIE. That's an issue. A big freaking issue.

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Stillow:

@IdahoMulato

Speaking of the Kos, you shoudl go over there, you'd be better off there. You make a total fool of yourself here....so you'll fit right in at the Kos.

One last time, there are kooks on the right and the left....if you guys cannot recognize that, then it makes you kooks.

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Stillow:

@RussTC3

Its the Kos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You cannot get more left than what goes on at that site. I read it now and then and its far far left stuff...they bought and paid for a result and it was delivered. Tomorrow if Rush Limabugh releases a poll shwoing 85% of Dems think grass is purple, are ya gonna jump all ove rit? Unless your nuts, no you wouldn't.

Consider the source, consider there objective...I realize your clearly o nthe left, but put it into context....doesn't matter who did the polling, it matters who paid the bill.

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RussTC3:

I don't know why I'm digging into this, but, whatever.

On an individual basis? Of course not. But if a respected organization was commissioned to do a poll on behalf of person, I would hope that the organization would think more of their credibility than twisting the facts when conducting the poll.

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Stillow:

Ya know, I don't know why, but I like you for some reason. We can stop this since we're getting nowhere. Tomorrow though I expect you to jump on those Dems about that purple grass.

Its money my friend, money! The Kos is doing what they do, just liek the right wing blog sites do, they put up numbers all the tiem showing this or that, its designed to do specific things. In this case, Kos is trying to link mainstream GOP with the nuts....right wing sites do it to by tryign to link Dems to the nuts o nthe left....consider who funded it, who paid for it.

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RussTC3:

I understand what you're saying, but in the end I choose to have more faith in the organization's desire to not hurt their credibility.

This may be a poll funded by a democratic/left-leaning/liberal organization, but it's still conducted by a well-respected Independent organization.

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Stillow:

Its impossible to verify this type of poll, there is no election to support or debunk the numbers. so if the Kos goes and x amount of money and lets them know we'd like a certian type of result there...then yea, hte pollster will probably do what they can to sort of smooge it i nthat direction....cus at the end of the day there's no way to verify the poll...so there is no shot to your credibility.

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Mark in LA:

PPP is already conducting polling using similar wording and getting similar results - self-identified southern Republicans are either seriously disconnected from reality, or they simply cannot overcome their bigotry and admit the truth.
Republicans in other parts of the country appear to be more reality-based.
You can ignore the results based upon who is reporting the polls, but the answers will be the same or similar if Rasmussen has the guts to ask the same question.
I live down here, and I hear this stuff every day.

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Stillow:

Again...kooks!

Do you know how many Dems still thinkthe the rumors about Palin's youngest son really beign the son of her daughter?

Intelectual honesty my liberal freinds....try it!

Have you seen polls on how many liberals think Bush planned 9/11??? Also known as the 9/11 truthers.................

Don't throw pie around if your not prepared to catch some i nthe face too!

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IdahoMulato:

Southerners and appalachians are the most uneducated and ignorant people in the US. That's why they tend to be very racist, xenophobic and paranoid. In all races, the uneducated and ignorant tend to hate other ethnic groups and races. The more people are educated, the more they're welcoming to others who don't speak their language or look like them. However, the lack of knowledge in geography in the US is unparrallel. I attended an internation seconadry school in Ghana, Africa and by age 15 I could draw & sketch the World, Africa, Ghana, Europe and US maps. Many HS kids in the US can't even sketch the US map. I remember when I was working as customer service agent for Sprint in Idaho, many people who called me thought Idaho is another country and not a state in the US. I found out from my Information Managment professor that more than 90% of science and technology masters students in the US schools are foreigners. Many technocrats, scientists and techno geeks in the silicon valley are from India, China and other countries. Americans are becoming very lazy. Our maths scores are getting bad year after year. We can't be competitive if we continue to spiral downwards this way. We've become complacent over the last 100 years. We've become more inward-looking and this is being exacerbated by the far right wing nuts who have been more nativists and nationalists. Slogans like "We want our country back" are their main refrain. Notwithstanding, many good entrepreneurs we know and talk about are from other countries who came here to help build the American dream. They knew they were coming to a country of the freed. They knew they were coming to do their part in building a dream that would an envy to all civilization. However, the last 2 decades has seen a movement never seen before that seek to put a refrain or threat to such dream.

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Stillow:

@IdahoMulato

Why are you hear? You've said many times on this site how great Gahna is....if I buy your ticket will you go back?

Guess who runs the education system in this country Idaho? Its g'ment and liberals. Those same liberals and that same g'ment you want to run health care....your totally absurd!

Before you start yammering about uneducated people being racist, etc....your a perfect example of someone who is narrow minded. You oppose gay rights, you've said on this site numerous times you oppose gay marrage....what gives you the right to do that? Who are you or g'ment to be telling people who they can or cannot marry? Maybe that is a sign of your uneducated mind at work????????

Oh I am sure you'll come up with something foolish to defend your hypocrisy....you ignore everything wrong wit hthe left and g'ment and you see only whats wrong on the right.....that makes you uneducated, intelectually dishonest and a hypocrit.

You have got to get out of this liberal prism you see the world thru. Its a little bigger than what Olberman tells you.

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IdahoMulato:

@Stillow
I didn't say I oppose gay marriage. What I said is that due to by religious belief, I do not support gay marriage but also do not care about people who are gays coz whatever they do, do not affect me. You cannot bring yourself to accept the fact that someone doesn't believe in gay marriage but is not opposed to gay rights.

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sjt22:

@ Stillow

Is it your contention that the criteria for failure here is that they didn't know the exact dollar amount ahead of time? That's incredibly naive.

They got it wrong? Hardly. They didn't know exactly how much demand the program would create. Now they've adjusted to it by adding more funds. This is standard business practice, it happens a million times ever single day in the free market. Businesses under estimate supply and cost all the time, and then they make adjustments.

I suppose the could have just capped it at 1 billion and let it be first come, first served. In that case, given the apparent demand, I would say that the program was a rousing success. Instead they decided to expand it to encompass all the demand.

As for Kos, yes, they are a left wing site. It doesn't make their polls bad. Their methodology appears sound and their track record is short but strong.

As for the birthers and the 9/11 truthers, yes, they are both completely nuts. The difference is that the truthers aren't given legitimacy by having their claims held up as somehow worthy of contemplation by a compliant media. Plenty of birthers parade across the media landscape unchallenged, despite the fact that they might as well be claiming the the Earth is flat.

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Wong:

Looks like Stillow needs a few courses down at the community college. Just a few g'vment programs that were wildly successful (Do you actually talk like that...not surprising)
1) WWII
2) The Manhattan Project
3) The Interstate Highway Program
4) NASA and the Apollo Program
5) Social Security
6) The US Armed Forces

Quit spreading your backwood manure that g'vment can do nothing right. It smells.

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Stillow:

@sjt22

The media does that on purpose...they don't give legitamacy to the truthers because most of them are liberals who think Bush was the devil...and they don't want hte public to link normal thinking Dems with the nutty ones. The media all to happy to put the birthers on their because they try and link them to mainstream republicans. That is just the underlying bias present i nthe media at work.

And yes that is my contention...the g'ment got it worng. My point was more linking it to health care. They are making estiamtes on demand and budgets....and they provided insufficient funds to cover the bill....it was my tehory tha twould apply to health care making it much more expensive than they are saying. When private companies underestimate they need to make u pthe differnece fro mthere profits, etc....the g'ment will just raise taxes to cover the growing demand of a public system. So it was a light hearted attack on g'ment itself, not a detaile argument of cash for clunkers.....

As for Kos polling, just do what I said and picture Rush limbaugh releasing a poll or paying for a poll to be done that had some crazy result....you would discount it right away I imagine.....I don't think to many non-liberals pay attention to what Kos puts out.

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Stillow:

@Wong

LOL....5 of the 6 you mentioned had ties direclty to the military....which many conservatives, including myself argue is one of the few things g'ment runs well....is our armed forces!

Social Security may be popular, but its bankrupt...its out of money in just a few years....popular or not, its an unsustainable entitlement....2018 or soemthing its supposed to be bankrupt? So its hardly a success!

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Stephen_W:

This poll looks to be the first of many polls on the horizon dealing with the issue of Obama's birth, and if PPP's and others coming soon are anywhere close to this one, it's one of the most depressing, and frankly scary I've ever seen. The fact that only 42% of Republicans now believe Obama was born in the United States when every reputable news organization and fact check organization has debunked this myth shows how separated from reality the party has become. The reason the birther thing won't go away is because they seemingly do represent a gigantic chunk of the Republican base, and it's going to haunt them with independents for the forseeable future.

And Stillow, could you please use government instead of your abbreviated "g'ment", it's seriously one of the most annoying things I have to read in the comments section.

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Mark in LA:

Stillow, when you defend the indefensible, you are going to lose all credibility. There is simply no defending the rampant racism of today's southern GOP, and all this survey did is point a light at the problem.
There are elements of today's Republican Party that you can legitimately defend, but this is a dark stain on your party that everyone outside can see, even if it is invisible to you.
The problem will not go away, no matter how many insults you fling, or irate you become.
Take it from a former Republican in the Deep South, this is a problem that I wish wasn't so ingrained in the GOP.
America needs a strong conservative party. The GOP will eventually wake up to this fact and quit pandering to the worst of its base.

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Stillow:

@Stephen_W:

Its a habit I formed after breaking my right hand while stationed in Kuwait....and as you know old habits are hard to break.....sorry.

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Stillow:

@Mark in LA:

You need to read closer.....this whole thread I have called these truthers kooks. My point is that kooks exist in both parties, thos eof who discuss and blog need to remove them fro mthe conversations....that si why I brought up the 9/11 truthers are are liberal activists who think Bush was Satan and al lthat stuff...

So yes there are many kooks in boht parties, but you all repeatedly prove my point and don't even know it...because most of you refuse to accept the dems have just as many nuts as the repubs....by ignoring your own chunk of kooks you make yourselves dishonest and foolish. The reason the GOP kooks get more coverage is the because the media is mostly left and they use the coverage to make fun of the whole party......thats why polling from Kos and PPP, both liberal is beig done....

Its a game and many of you don't see it. A birther is no different than a truther....both nuts, both crazy, both on the fringe....

You guys look pretty silly avoiding the truth about the kooks in your own party....the list goes on and on....its a good tactic for your side, it only works because the media is in the tank for you, but its a good tactic....!

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Mark in LA:

While I am pointing out faults of parties, let me shift my attention to the other side.
If the GOP has a problem with everyone who is not a Southern White Christian Fundamentalist, then the Democratic Party has their own prejudices against whole regions of the country.
Look at IdahoMulatto playing the part of bigot saying "Southerners and appalachians are the most uneducated and ignorant people in the US."
He insults everyone in the south and Appalachia, not based upon who they are, their character, or their personality, but where they are from.
Over at DailyKos one of the highest rated diaries is "Stop the South Bashing NOW!"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/31/760302/-Stop-the-South-Bashing-NOW!
At that post, 45% of the poll respondents are willing to "Write off the South".
This is almost as disgusting and stupid as racial prejudices.

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Mark in LA:

Your last comment came up while I was posting mine, so I suggest you rethink some of your points.

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Bigmike:

@sjt22

Yes they got it wrong. Businesses may have programs to give away freebies and under estimate the demand. But they are playing with their own money. The govt is giving away yours and mine at an atrocious rate. So now we have people buying cars from the govt, who owns the car companies in large part, with money given to them by the govt. And we call that economic growth? I call it payback to the UAW.

@Stephen_W

I hope you don't mind my use of govt. It is a common enough abbreviation.

I don't care if you mind me using the Presidents initials, BO. Don't blame me, I didn't name him. Although they are the most unfortunate initials on a public person since Vlade Divac retired. And yes, I refer to the former President by the somewhat derogatory Dubya. Hey, it comes with the territory.

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catinnc:

I am usually a silent lurker but I cannot remain silent while watching Stillow taking on this kind of abuse. Kudos to you, Stillow for fighting the good fight for as long as you have.

Why did BO spend so much $ in legal fees keeping his personal documentation secret? Just release your doggone OFFICIAL BC and college transcripts and be done with it. What better way to quell a lingering conspiracy? I am not a "birther", I agree with a prominent conservative who mentioned that if the Clinton legal machine wasn't able to unearth this one, then it probably isn't worth persuing...just saying.

Bigmike, glad you brought up the Cash for Clunkers program. Who'da thunk that taxpayers would be cool with giving up their hard-earned money so other people would to be able to buy a new car?

And yes, Idaho, It IS time to take our country back. Folks don't leave their native lands to come here in order contribute to the US govt. They come here to chase a dream, not to build a business in which they will become the 2nd-highest taxed business in the industrialized world, but to obtain the dream of building personal wealth and personal property.

Confiscational taxation on businesses and on the general populace are reaching a breaking point. Government (g'ment) largess has become an unmanageable behemoth.

Speak up fellow Silent Lurkers!

I hope to see you all in Washington on Sept 12.

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Andy (AKA: The Yangban):

I think this whole birther sillness is, well, silly. Even if Obama was born in Kenya, he is a natuarl born citizen through his mother.

This birther stuff is just as bad at the truthers and the folks who somehow still believe the 2000 election was stolen.

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Susie:

It is interesting that you ask whether Obama is a US citizen or not (his nationality) and then you title this survey "Obama Nationality." Maybe you meant "Nationally"

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ThatMarvelousApe:

"Cash for clunkers" has been an enormous success and has provided a major boost to our manufacturing economy. We've already attempted the tax cut route. It simply doesn't work. People trying to cite this as an example of "government failure" are obviously grasping at straws.

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Bigmike:

ThatMarvelousApe

Anytime you give away free money it will be an enormous success. By your logic lets give everyone a million dollars. That program will be a bigtime winner. Until someone has to pay the bill.

It is not a major boost to the economy. It is giving taxpayer money collected by the govt to people who buy cars so they can give to the car companies who in turn give it back to the govt. So we have govt bureaucracy in the loop twice when they don't belong there even once. How much more inefficient can you get?

If you really wanted to help the car companies and workers, fork over the cash for SUV buyers. They could make some real money then.

The only real growth happening under this plan is in govt. And while I have thought for some time that those on the far right who see everything as a govt grab for power are a little overboard with their conspiracy theories, I am having doubts these days. Can govt really be the only good institution that we have? Isn't that what the libs are saying?

Did anyone in this administration take Econ101?

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Stephen_W:

To BigMike and Stillow, I don't mind "govt", it's specifically "g'ment" that I find annoying, since it forces me to actually say in my mind "gub'ment", which I just can't stand for some reason. I appreciate the explanation though, the Vlade comment made me laugh.

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