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US: Tea Parties (Politico 4/15)

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Politico / TargetPoint
4/15/10; "457 people at the Washington DC Tax Day Tea Party rally the evening of April 15, 2010 on the Washington Monument grounds," 5% margin of error*
Mode: Self-administered questionnaire "exit poll"
(Politico story, TargetPoint release)

*Note: Margin of error for this survey is for "the value that would be obtained if all the attendees at the event were interviewed using the same procedure"

Politico:

"Tea party activists are divided roughly into two camps, according to a new POLITICO/TargetPoint poll: one that's libertarian-minded and largely indifferent to hot-button values issues and another that's culturally conservative and equally concerned about social and fiscal issues.

The survey, an exit poll conducted Thursday by Edison Research at the massive Tax Day protest on the National Mall, found that the attendees were largely hostile to President Barack Obama and the national Democratic Party -- three-quarters believe the president "is pursuing a socialist agenda."

Yet they aren't enamored of the Republican Party as an alternative. Overall, three out of four tea party attendees said they were "scared about the direction" of the country and "want to send a message to both political parties.""

 

Comments
sjt22:

Tea party activists are divided roughly into two camps, according to a new POLITICO/TargetPoint poll: one that's libertarian-minded and largely indifferent to hot-button values issues and another that's culturally conservative and equally concerned about social and fiscal issues.

Amazing! That's the same exact coalition which makes up the Republican party. How odd that a totally new and unrelated "grassroots" political movement would just spring from the ground which is such a carbon copy of an existing group. Its almost like this isn't really new at all.

The survey, an exit poll conducted Thursday by Edison Research at the massive Tax Day protest on the National Mall

Massive? Really? Estimates I've seen from conservative sources place the number between 2000 and 3000.

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Farleftandproud:

They better start excluding social conservaties and Military hawks, because the policies of Reaganomics and the Bush's are not what I call "limited government". If they are serious about attacking Obama and liberals on spending, they can't make any exceptions by saying, it is okay to put billions in Space exploration or state of the art fighter jets, but try to kill health care and fight financial reform.

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Farleftandproud:

Ron Paul's philosophy is very similar to the ideas of the 1920's presidents. Harding, Coolidge and Hoover were isolationist on discouraging the US from being involved with foreign hostile regimes, yet they believed "what governs best governs least". Of course we got the Great depression as a result, but at least I can say they practiced what they preached when it came to limited government.

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Stillow:

farleft- Hoover was a pretty progressive presidnet. Harding oversaw a very ppor economy when he took office....when he cut spending, etc it lead to the boom of the roaring 20's. Harding took over unemplyment near 12 percent. Go back and study Hoover, he was pretty progressive president, not as blatant as say FDR though who really put is in the bind....FDR prolonged the recession by probably more than 7 years with his policies.

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gabe:

The Tea Party is exactly what the GOP is. Fiscal libertarians and social conservatives. At the end of the day analysts and I agree that the Tea Party will mostly come home to the GOP. Not because they love it but rather the social conservatives have nowhere else to turn and fiscal libertarians have to try to send a message to the president. The best way to do that, put the other party in charge of Congress.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Go back and study Hoover, he was pretty progressive president,"

How was Hoover "progressive?" He was more interventionist than Coolidge had been with the economy, but he was not progressive either by the current understanding of the word, or the understanding at the time.

You're probably referring to Hoover policies like the reconstruction finance corporation.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Harding oversaw a very ppor economy when he took office....when he cut spending, etc it lead to the boom of the roaring 20's."

You know what he cut spending on? The military. He slashed the Navy drastically, which some historians blame for our weak position during Japan's expansion.

He cut taxes while at the same time increasing tariffs, which helped U.S. industries, where a lot of new things were taking off, notably consumer good manufacturing. The 1920s was when many cities became electrified, driving huge sales of a lot of goods like refridgerators, radios, cars. Try raising tariffs now. You mess with free trade, both republicans and democrats throw a fit, and no one would want to pay the prices it would cost for Americans to make things.

During the 1920s the government ignored a depression within the agricultural sector, but the industrial and consumer side of the economy was doing well - a bubble.

Hoover was Harding's secretary of commerce, and his "progressivism" that you don't like included things like standardizations and regulations for new industries like broadcasting and aviation. If you don't like Hoover, then you shouldn't like Harding all that much, because Hoover was partly reponsible for whatever success you think Harding had.

The republicans lost 77 seats in the house and 7 seats in the senate in 1922 during Harding's term. So he wasn't all that popular at the time. Just FYI.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Regarding this poll, I think that a lot of the tea party people are very similar to the Ross Perot people of the 90s.

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Stillow:

aaron - i dunno, just for starters he was a member of the progressive party in the 1910's..................If I had more time we could go back and forth on this, I love the 1920's and 1930's hisotry.

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Stillow:

...and no I am not sayiing Hoover was party of really kooky progressives who were into racial purity and eugenics and sick stuff like that.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Progressivism for people like Hoover just meant reforms in pursuit of greater efficiency. His support of T. Roosevelt's "progressive party" in 1912 doesn't say much, there were a lot of reasons someone like him wouldn't have liked Taft. He certainly was not a pro-labor progressive, nor an anti-monopolist progressive like Robert LaFollete was or even Theodore Roosevelt himself. But he probably agreed with requiring industries to conform to certain regulations like child labor laws or a 12 or 10 hour work day. That would have qualified him as nominally as a "reformer" or a progressive at the time.

So he was not progressive in the way you're thinking about it which is probably "progressive" = "liberal" = "democrat." It was popular during the period 1880-1920 to call yourself progresssive but it meant a lot of different things, like calling yourself "conservative" has been popular since 1980, whether you are or not.

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Farleftandproud:

Stillow is right about Hoover. I would say he would be extremely progressive compared to most elected Republicans today.

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Farleftandproud:

Nevertheless, the party's today are much more aligned geographically and on on the issues than they were back in this day. Southern Democrats were very anti-reform, and were strong believers in state's rights, while Northeastern Republicans were very Pro regulation.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Compared to Stillow, Hoover could be termed a progressive.

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Xenobion:

Who calls Hoover progressive lol? Someone needs to get a textbook not from Texas lolz

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Stillow:

aaron - That is a cop out. hoover was a member of the progressive party. He beleive din using g'ment, hsi brand of progressive nonsense was just a bit different than say FDR's was. Your claim that he may have been a progressive, but who knows what that means is pretty funny. Progressives between 1880-1930 for example were extremely racist....they beleived in things like breeding out minoriities permanantly....about forced abortion of minority children. They were real big into eugenics, etc. A lot of it was sick stuff.

There are some terrific books on Hoover and his brand of progressive ideaology. Again, I am not claiming he was part of the really nasty progressive movement with all that racist stuff....but the eocnomy was bad in 1920 when harding took over and was quicly reversed by 1922. Just as the economy was bad when Reagan and in a few yers it recovered. Hoover and FDR's brand of progressive solutions allowed the recession to linger and linger and it lasted all the way up to WW2.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Progressives between 1880-1930 for example were extremely racist....they beleived in things like breeding out minoriities permanantly....about forced abortion of minority children. They were real big into eugenics, etc."

All of them? You're grouping a bunch of people together. I would take you more seriously if you named individuals involved like Jane Addams or Woodrow Wilson.

The conservatives at the time were even more racist. Progressives were against lynchings. Racism was a fact of life during that period, some of the progressives saw eugenics as a way alleviate some social problems. Eugenics was a cultural fad during the period, not confined to the progressive movement. A lot of intellectuals at the time supported it.

"Eugenic thought crossed national borders, and it also traversed an extraordinary range of political views."'

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0254/is_3_64/ai_n15337797/pg_2/?tag=content;col1

"Ideologically, the eugenics movement attracted reactionaries, such as Madison Grant, author The Passing of the Great Race, and key movement figures, such as Francis Galton, founder of modern eugenics, and Charles Davenport, head of the Eugenics Record Office at the Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, who can be described as social conservatives. But eugenics also won advocates of very different politics, such as Margaret Sanger, the birth-control advocate who began intellectual life as a radical anarchist (a protege of Emma Goldman), Fabian socialists such as Karl Pearson, Sidney Webb, and George Bernard Shaw, and the sui generis feminist, economist Charlotte Perkins Gilman."

They didn't understand biology and believed in a hierarchy of races. That idea persisted beyond WWII to the Civil Rights Era. I would argue there's still remnants of it even today.

Here's a conservative from the time for you:

"Calvin Coolidge, in 1921, warned of the perils of race mixing: 'Biological laws tell us that certain divergent people will not mix or blend. The Nordics propagate themselves successfully. With other races, the outcome shows deterioration on both sides.'" He was arguing in favor of immigration restrictions in order to preserve the superiority and purity of the white race in the U.S. That's eugenic thought: the southern and eastern european immigrants were inferior to the "nordic races." Hoover probably agreed to some extent.

Hate to have to prove you completely wrong. It helps if you don't get your information from Glen Beck.

I'd like to read that book that argues Hoover was a progressive, if you have the citation.

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Thaddeus:

Stillow- "Just as the economy was bad when Reagan and in a few years it recovered."

It's nice to hear that Obama still has a couple years to turn around the economy and still get the credit Reagan did as a master of the economy. I think in another two years he'll have a decent shot.

Wish i knew more about the 20's....

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