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VT: Obama 60, McCain 36 (Rasmussen-9/13)

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Rasmussen Reports
9/13/08; 500 LV, 4.5%
Mode: IVR

Vermont
Obama 60, McCain 36

 

Comments
Connor:

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Yes, Rasmussen.

Thank you so, so, so much for polling...Vermont.

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illinoisindie:

who cares.... wheres PA MI & WI???

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sjt22:

Maybe a few Vermonters (Vermontites? Vermonsters?) could migrate into NH for a few months.

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1magine:

useless...

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BonJoviForPres:

I can't wait to see the Arizona numbers!!

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Save US:

I wish they spill over to NH

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tjampel:

Thanks to Ben and Jerry too :-)

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Tybo:

sjt22:
Maybe a few Vermonters (Vermontites? Vermonsters?) could migrate into NH for a few months.

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well, Obama is a chicago pol, so expect a lot of dead voters

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ReprobateMind:

You all here are too biased to do objective analysis.

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DPartridge:

Aren't we surprised... the most socialist state in the Nation over-whelmingly supports Obama...

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Justin:

Obama has opened a four point advantage in today's Gallup Tracking Poll.

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riverrun:

Gallup has just posted Obama up +4%!

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ReprobateMind:

This place is full of cheerleaders, not analysis.

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joydivision8:

Son of a B...McCain was counting on Vermont...

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VermontWisdom:

Small rural state. Small town values. Conservative life styles. Tolerant attitudes. Palin a big bust in Vermont. We are not fooled. Hopefully the rest of rural America will wake up too. Going to canvass for Obama in NH this weekend. It will stay blue.

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DPartridge:

@VermontWisdom

Small town values? Only as defined in Vermont. Definitely not a small town value as defined by most small towns in America...

Conservative Lifestyles? They allow gay marriage... doubt most small towns would consider that a conservative life style.

In actuality, Vermont has a very large French-Canadian bent in their politics, especially in the north-western portion of the state. Thats why they're considered the most socialist state (ie not conservative), and why they're the only state to presently have a known socialist elected to the Senate.

McCain/Palin never stood a chance in Vermont. NH however, with their "Live Free or Die" motto has a real maverick streak and will idenitifes with McCain... that's why its the only state in the North East to be in contention...

I grew up in Lebanon, NH, and lived for almost a decade in West Hartford, VT (pop. 163).

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VermontWisdom:

Vermont allows civil unions for gays, just for clarification. I'm sure many Vermont gays would be interested in your assertion that their sexual orientation is incompatible with a conservative lifestyle. Vermonters vote the man or woman. That is why we have a socialist senator, dermocratic representative and a republicam governor, Jim Douglas, who will be reelected in a landslide as impressive as Obama's. NH has been trending blue, and Palin's evangelical radicalism takes the luster off McCain. Most NH Republicans I know are not of that ilk. And with Palin announcing it was the "Palin/McCain" ticket today, that becomes an even more important issue. Sure it is in contention, but it will go blue as it bounces Sununu and relects it's democratic governor in a landslide.

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VermontWisdom:

PS. NH has civil unions now, too. You might have to move to....God forbid...Alaska to escape the creeping socialism and liberalism.

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DPartridge:

Thanks for the clarification... I'll make sure I use the correct classification next time.

Jim Douglas is about as Republican as Vermont will trend... but he's not conservative. John Sununu in NH is too conservative for the State's present makeup (too many flatlanders moving north), and you're right, he's likely to lose that seat. So really, in order to run well in NH you have to have a candidate that isn't seen as a conservative... hence McCain's success there. I live in the South now... and I can assure you that McCain was not "our" first choice as a "conservative" President. He wasn't our second either... but there are more Western and Northern states then there are Southern states, and hence, a less then conservative is the party nominee.

I would like to ask one question of you. What is radical about Palin's evangelical choice? It would be interesting to see if you actually know what the tenets of her religious belief is, or if you just repeat what the Obama line is.

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VermontWisdom:

I believe that anyone who advocates teaching the creation theory in public schools is a radical. Anyone who goes to the public library of their town and has the temerity to believe that as mayor she can tell the rest of her citizens what to read is a radical. Anyone who does not believe a woman should be able to get an abortion even in the case of rape or incest is a radical. ( a real problem in AK which is near the top in both of those categories). Anyone who condemns premarital sex and insists that only abstinence be taught in school when her own family's experience proves that just does not work is a radical. Anyone who would force her 17 year old daughter to marry the 17 year old father of the child for religious reasons is a radical.( If that will even happen. We'll see) Anyone who thinks we are ordained by God to fight in Iraq is a radical. Anyone who thinks being gay is an illness that can be cured by praying is a radical. I define radical as being on the extreme of the political or religious spectrum in either direction.

Let me be clear. People have every right to think these things and live their lives accordingly. I just do not want them running this countrty.

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DPartridge:

I figured you didn't have an idea what her beliefs really and truly are... All I got from you was the mis-information being spread about her beliefs... I called it the "Obama Doctrine" but that's not fair to him... it isn't him spreading the lies, its the people who have taken it upon themselves to campaign and speak for him. And thats what is scaring the small town voter in the South, Mid-West, and West to take a second look at McCain... while they can identify with Obama... they can't identify with his vocal supporters.

Most of what you've said was either a lie from the beginning or was taken out of context, and it all has been debated and debunked on the web ad nauseum...

The abortion stance is true. And its her religious belief... a belief that life begins at conception. The Pope agrees with Mrs. Palin on her abortion stand... so I guess that makes him a radical too in your eyes. Whoops... there goes Obama's Catholic vote...

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VermontWisdom:

Please go through each of the points I made and say what the truth is concerning her position. Just a generalized statement of "it's all lies" doesn't cut it.

As far as the Pope, he is a radical when it comes to abortion and birth control and most Catholics including myself don't follow what he says. The birth control part is easy, he's just dead wrong. Abortion I grant you is different, and involves some very tough moral decisions based on different circumstances. But why not just follow your own moral beliefs in your life and let others abide by theirs?

There was a time when JFK was running that he touted his independence from influence of the Pope. Now Catholic politicians are threatened with excommunication. And Evangelicals insist on imposing their beliefs on the rest of us. We have to fight this trend.

Enjoying the debate with a worthy political opponent.

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