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WI: Ratings (PPP 11/20-22)


Public Policy Polling (D)
11/20-22/09; 767 registered voters, 3.5% margin of error
Mode: Automated phone
(PPP release)

Wisconson

Job Approval / Disapproval
Gov. Doyle: 29 / 57 (chart)
Sen. Kohl: 45 / 35 (chart)

If there was an election for Congress today, would you vote Democratic or Republican?
43% Republican 41% Democratic

 

Comments
Stillow:

55 percent now oppose that stupid and worthless stimulus plan....uh oh....despite the respondants voting 48-41 for Obama over mccain, the GOP no wholds a lead on the congressional question....

18 percent liberal, 40 percent conservative......hmmm. I thought both the GOp and conservatives were supposed to be dead in blue states????????

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platanoman:

I think they are dead in blue states. Have you been paying attention these last 16 years?

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Stillow:

Would that be blue states like NJ?

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platanoman:

He's not a conservative. He's a moderate. http://www.ontheissues.org/Chris_Christie.htm

And Republicans can win state-wide races in blue states, but they are certainly not a conservative.

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DairyStateG:

Bottom line in WI elections is who best plays off people's deeply-seeded antipathy toward successful people. If your opponent is better at playing class envy, you lose.

People in WI HATE people they feel are smarter or more successful than they are. That is why Republicans will always struggle here.

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Stillow:

LOL...christie is not a conservative...okie dokie, he calls himself a fiscal conservative....you libs are absolutely hilarious at times!

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sjt22:

@ DairyStateG

Wait, I thought it was the Democrats like Obama who were so snooty and elitist? You know, since they went to fancy schools and enjoy reading books and like mustard on their hamburgers. Not like the salt of the earth types like Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber who embrace their mediocrity.

I think you Republicans really need to straighten out your narratives.

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sjt22:

@ Stillow

At what point are you going to get it through your head that identifying as "Conservative" does not automatically make someone a Republican? There are lots of people, typically older citizens, who will say they are conservative yet will register Democratic or Independent and are just as likely to vote for a Democrat as a member of the GOP. If you actually press people for their views they'll end up supporting an ideology which is more liberal than you might think.

People identify as "conservative" despite not actually being so for a number of reasons. Age tends to correlate with it. Older people who may be supportive of Democrats and more liberal government policies tend to be wary of what they see as cultural changes. And of course, the GOP has spent decades successfully turning liberal into a dirty word, which is why lots of people who are by any reasonable measure liberal are loathe to identify themselves as such.

I find it especially ironic that you would take this identifications at face value given that you seem to think the vast majority of people qualify as "liberal" by your special definition (that is, anyone who is more moderate than YOU, which I would venture is at least 3/4 of the population). Given the policy positions of the elected representatives from WI, not to mention its recent presidential voting history, the idea that this is a conservative state is weak at best.

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sjt22:

Oh, and I love that you think Christie is a conservative because he calls himself one. Bush, McCain and lots of GOP have claimed to be conservative, yet we have all seen you call them liberals on multiple occasions because they don't pass the Stillow Test of conservatism. Yet Christie calls himself a conservative and you let that pass, no problem.

I'm willing to bet that, however conservative Christie may end up being, he would be on the liberal end of the spectrum in a more conservative state.

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sjt22:

Looking on the poll itself, its sad how misinformed these respondents apparently are. 30% think that the Stimulus was done under Bush, and 44% think that the bailout was approved by Obama. This isn't even opinions, its basic information.

I'm also wondering how representative a poll can be of WI when it has 34% Dems and 30% Republicans. Gap seems a little small for that state.

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Stillow:

sjt22

Can you read? I mean seriously, can you read? I'm always the one on here telling people there are differnces between liberal and democrat and conservative and republican....so again, can you read?

All I hear on this site is how conservatism is dead and so is the GOP.....yet they just kicked the snot out of you libs and Dems. Christie campaigned on fiscal responsibility and lower taxes, cutting spending, etc....newsflash, those are conservative principles, not liberal. And he won for doing it. Yet liberal kooks tell me conservatism is dead....and so are republicans, yet in VA....they also just whipped the snot out of the Dems....even winning the Dem stronghold of Fairfax county.

In a blue state like WI, we see more people now saying they will vote republican from a sample that voted much more in favor of Obama, yet I hear the GOp is dead.

Libs like you I am convinced simply cannot read or choose not to read. You are so totally blinded by ignorance you cannot see whats right in front of you. Christie is a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. He ran on cutting spending, cutting taxes, removing state g'ment obstacles on business, etc......if he ere a liberal he would have ran on higher taxes, bigger g'ment and more spending....sheeeeesh, are you guys really this dense? Or is this just you guys being loyal to your cause even when it makes you look this stupid??

Please, for the love of God, learn to read!

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Stillow:

Oh and I love how you liberals try and find stupid irrational explantions to why conservatives outnumber liberals 2 to 1 in this country. Its very amusing watching you guys try to explain that way....with crap like...conservative doesn't really mean conservative. It means this to one person and that to another.

Face it, conservatism is far more popular and accepted than liberalism is. GET OVER IT! All you do is make yourselves look even more confused about life when you try to explain it away...........we all know if it were the other way around it'd be we outnumber you, neaner neaner......

You guys can be such babies.

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platanoman:

I don't think the Gop is dead. I think Christie is a moderate. Bush, Mccain, and Rudy calls themselves conservatives, yet the party laughs. Wisconsin has gone blue these last 5 presidential election, but it's still a swing state. It's only D+3 in the COOK PVI, so there a chance for good MODERATE Republican to pick it up.

And New York 23 proves my point. A real nutty far-right candidate lost the race. Stillow said he was going to win. He's following the model of Reagan. As soon as he lost, he made excuses like the hack he is.

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platanoman:

"okie dokie, he calls himself a fiscal conservative....you libs are absolutely hilarious at times!"

He calls himself a fiscal conservative. Tell me what he has run? He's a damn attorney. How do you know he's a "fiscal conservative"? That's really cute. On the issues, he's right down the middle.

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Stillow:

platanoman

In the spirit of thanksgiving I won't embarrass you on that lousy post. All I will say is NY 23 was an admitted blunder by the GOP. If you add scozzy and hoffman together they beat owens. Plus if you look at the local polling, many republicans voted for ownes to send a message to the GOP about nominating liberals. EVERYONE, EVERY analyst I have seen agrees, the seat will go back to the reds this coming election as the GOP this time will nominate a real republican.

Enjoy your turkey.

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platanoman:

Embarrass me with that silly analysis? And it going back to GOP hands doesn't mean anything especially if Doug Hoffman runs again. "If you add scozzy and hoffman together they beat owens." Scozzy is a conservative? Yes, Gop made a blunder. Sscozzafava was going to win easily, and idiots like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin stick their nose into something they shouldn't have.

Local polling? That's actually pretty funny. They had a good chance to vote for what you consider a "true conservative", and they didn't.

But, I will be nice on Turkey day. You have too much of an ego to say you were wrong about New York 23. Hey, I live in New York. So, I should know more than you.

Have a good one

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IdahoMulato:

I don't know why anyone wastes his his time on Stillow. He did say on numerous occasions that Hoffman was going to win despite the fact that he was aware both Scozza and Hoffman were running. It's a lazy analysis to say that because of the totals of Scozza and Hoffman votes exceed that of Owens, then it follows that Hoffman would have won if Scozza was not on the ballot. Critical analysis will posit that since Scozza is a lib or moderate and a republican, it's likely lots of her votes came from independents, libs and moderates. It may also be true that some people will vote for Owens to send a message but such analysis is too uncomplicated.

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