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AZ: 2010 Gov (Rasmussen 5/17)

Topics: Arizona , Govenor

Rasmussen
5/17/10; 500 likely voters, 4.5% margin of error
Mode: Automated phone
(Rasmussen release)

Arizona

2010 Governor
Brewer (R) 52%, Goddard (D) 39%
Martin (R) 41%, Goddard (D) 40%
Goddard (D) 42%, Munger (R) 41%
Mills (R) 45%, Goddard (D) 38%

Favorable / Unfavorable
Terry Goddard: 48 / 45
Jan Brewer: 60 / 36
Dean Martin: 50 / 29
John Munger: 32 / 34
Buz Mills: 48 / 29

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 39 / 60
Gov. Brewer: 64 / 35

 

Comments
Field Marshal:

I love Arizona!

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Farleftandproud:

Only in Arizona does legislating hate help your popularity. I really want to go back for a visit, but that isn't going to happen anytime soon. It will probably take a few lawsuits.

A lot of things are popular that are not constitutional in my opinion.

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Mark in LA:

Field Marshal, why would you love what Arizona has done? Whether this new Arizona law was written with good intentions or not, most minorities see it as hateful and threatening.
My wife and son have brown skin, and I abhor the thought of her being targeted because of that.
This law is intimidating to many law abiding citizens and because you are white, you have no sympathy?
It's a sorry state of affairs.

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Field Marshal:

Mark,

Don't be played by the mainstream media. Your son will not be targeted just as i'm unlikely to be (as i have brown skin). Its a 100% lie and you fell for it.

What's interesting is the federal law is much stricter than the AZ law. The Federal law states that state and local police can pull over anyone WITHOUT CAUSE to ask for immigration papers. In addition, the supreme court already ruled on this in Muehler v Mena in 2005 in a UNANIMOUS decision that the police can do so under our constitution. Thus, Farlefts assertion that it will be thrown out as unconstitutional is a pipe-dream.

If anything Mark, the new AZ law makes it HARDER for AZ to round-up illegals. Why? Because now AZ police cannot profile to inquire immigration status and also cannot ask for no reason.

Thus, there will be LESS intimidation (if there was any before).

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Farleftandproud:

I don't get it either Mark. It truly is a sad state of affairs.

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StatyPolly:

Do people really believe this AZ law was enacted because lawmakers are racists and hate Hispanics?

Raise your hands!

First of all, local cops working their neighborhoods are SUPERB at PROFILING. They know with near 100% accuracy who is legal and who is not within seconds of questioning an individual.

AZ has a serious and worsening crime wave cause in AZ's case specifically by illegals. If a crime is committed in your neighborhood and you fit the description of the suspect, expect to be stopped and questioned. Is that really unreasonable? Even if the cop makes a mistake and insists on verifying a legal individual, the worst case scenario is you are detained until the matter is sorted out. It took 15 minutes when it happened to me. A small price to pay if it puts a dent into the massive crime problem.

I prefer my wife and kids be detained and questioned, rather than be shot in the head by rival drug gangs crossfire. As has been happening in Az with increased frequency.

But maybe it's just me.

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Vincent106:

"It was disconcerting for the head of another sovereign nation ( Mexico ) to come to the house and single out an American state (Arizona) for criticism & ridicule." Congressman Mike Pence IN.

What is evern more disconerting to me is the fact that a political party of the US stood and applauded Calderon for doing so. I think that in itself demonstrates where that parties allegiances lie, and its not with Americans or the USA. Pitiful. The dems are sending this country down to toilet fast.

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Paleo:

People like George Wallace used to do quite well electorally preaching hate against a minority, so it's not surprising that Brewer has improved her standing in most polls. But, Arizona is not Alabama 1963. Polls tend to underestimate the Hispanic vote. Goddard is still very much in the running.

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Paleo:

"AZ has a serious and worsening crime wave cause in AZ's case specifically by illegals. If a crime is committed in your neighborhood and you fit the description of the suspect, expect to be stopped and questioned. Is that really unreasonable? Even if the cop makes a mistake and insists on verifying a legal individual, the worst case scenario is you are detained until the matter is sorted out. It took 15 minutes when it happened to me. A small price to pay if it puts a dent into the massive crime problem.

I prefer my wife and kids be detained and questioned, rather than be shot in the head by rival drug gangs crossfire."

And this is the same type of poster who blathers on about "liberty" and "freedom." This sounds more like life under a dictatorship than the U.S. Unbelievable.

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Moore:

Field Marshal:
I state no opinion about the constitutionality of the AZ immigration law, but your statements Muehler v. Mena are completely wrong.

That case dealt with a situation where the police already had a warrant to search the house, and it looked at two questions. The first question before the Court was whether the officers on the scene violated the occupants' fourth amendment rights by keeping them handcuffed during the 2-3 hour duration of the search. The second question was whether the officers again violated the occupants' fourth amendment rights by questioning them about their immigration status. The Court ruled that mere questioning does not constitute a "seizure." It also recognized that no matter what, a detention must be lawful.

Your assertion that the police can pull over anyone without cause and demand their immigration papers is completely false. Unless they have lawful cause to detain the person, it would be an unlawful detention.

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StatyPolly:

State's first and foremost responsibility for those who blather about liberty and freedom is protecting the citizenry from crime and foreign and domestic enemies. That's it.

Dictatorship is cramming healthcare down people's throats against their will, attempting to shut down media sources that criticize said dictators, and so on..

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Field Marshal:

I love reading the ridiculous hyperbole about this law. Its quite comical. Brewer is preaching hate. LOL! So funny.

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Mark in LA:

As long as the overwhelmingly white GOP remains this tone-deaf - with zero ability to put themselves in someone else's shoes, you are going to continue to constrict your party with changing demographics.
Conservatives are mocking and disparaging people with real concerns while celebrating this law.
How many tea parties now want to see this law replicated across the country?
They are not advocating this law because it will solve crime or immigration problems. They are celebrating because minorities hate it, and they want to bring in more votes from whites who feel threatened by a black President and our country's increasing diversity.

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Paleo:

You just show screwed up the right-wing is. Living in a police state is fine, but representatives elected by the people passing a bill isn't. Fortunately, there's such a thing as the bill of rights to protect us from your "papers please" mentality. If you want to immolate the constitution in order to combat crime, that's your right. But don't drag down everyone else with you.

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Mark in LA:

"who blather about liberty and freedom"

It's nice to see where these principles rank.

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Vincent106:

Dictatorship is cramming healthcare down people's throats against their will, attempting to shut down media sources that criticize said dictators, and so on..


I agree statypolly. Its quite ironic that the liberals on this board are decrying that the AZ law infringes on freedoms when they support bigger government intervention and less freedom, choice and liberty into every other aspect of their lives.

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Mark in LA:

Unless I am mistaken, no one is going to be forced to have CAT-SCANS, radiation treatments for cancer, or kidney dialysis.
But I can certainly see how conservatives equate giving these options to poor people as "living in a dictatorship."
It's almost exactly the same thing.
Healthcare for poor people = Nazi Germany.

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Paleo:

"Cramming down"? We're not governed by polls. We're governed by elections. Those who passed the bill were elected by the people. If the people believed the bill was against their will, they will vote them out in the next election. That's called democracy.

As for the "shutting down the media," that's a trip into right-wing paranoia land.

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Mark in LA:

If Democrats win and pass health care reform that is expensive and doesn't poll well, then we have a dictatorship and "cramming down our throats."
If Republicans win, and spend trillions on an unnecessary and counter-productive war in Iraq that also doesn't poll well, then we have Democracy in action.
The big difference:
GOP pisses away trillions in Iraq.
Democrats - spend that money here.

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Paleo:

"Healthcare for poor people = Nazi Germany."

Don't you know that the minimum wage is the first step to Auschwitz?

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Mark in LA:

Paleo,
That's what Glenn Beck and the Tea Partiers keep telling me.
Mark

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Paleo:

Nothing new. The Randians and some others on the right have been talking like that for decades. It's just unbelievable that there are people out there who really believe this nonsense.

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Stillow:

Farleft - Are you on Olberman's staff? I am saying that seriously, no sarcasm, do you actually work for Keith Olberman? Or MSNBC in any way?

AZ law was necessary....I heard this morning ICE is now considering not deporting illegals detained in AZ, but rather re-release them into the states.

I don't like hwere any of this is going. You almos thave the federal g'ment openly declaring a form of hostility on a state. I guess AZ should just do nothing and let more innocent people die.....we need more fatherless ch8ldren in AZ I guess is what the left thinks.

Something is going to give, if ICE follows thru they would be in violation of US law and AZ along with several other states should file a class action suit against the feds.

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Paleo:

"if ICE follows thru they would be in violation of US law and AZ along with several other states should file a class action suit against the feds."

Man, that takes chutzpah. There's a little thing in the constitution called the supremacy clause. And control of immigration has always been a federal responsibility. If anyone is violating the law, it's Arizona.

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Stillow:

Paleo - Wrong. States should sue the feds for failing to enforce immigration laws. Border states like AZ ar ebeing bombarded with illegal aliens cuasing skyrocketing crime, increasing financial burdens, etc, etc. and tis becuase the feds are refusing to do their job. Innocent Arizonans are being killed, kidnapped, etc and the feds do nothing. I read nearly 1 million illegals live in AZ....that states resrouces are being drained.

The federal g'ment has a responsibility to protect the country and they have failed. They refuse to take the necessary steps for fear of hurting someones feelings....meanwhile none of you on the left seem to give a damn about innocent american citizns being killed or kidnapped in AZ....not a single person the left seems to give a crap about that....no comments about it, the only solution you offer is to reward the illegals with benefits and citizenship.

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StatyPolly:

Mark,

>>>"who blather about liberty and freedom"

It's nice to see where these principles rank.

That was a quote from Paleo. I should have giving him credit.

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StatyPolly:

Paleo,

You said:

"We're governed by elections. Those who passed the bill were elected by the people. If the people believed the bill was against their will, they will vote them out in the next election. That's called democracy."

Which bill are you referring to?

Health Care or AZ bill?

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Paleo:

HIR. And compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges.

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Paleo:

"The federal g'ment has a responsibility to protect the country and they have failed. They refuse to take the necessary steps for fear of hurting someones feelings....meanwhile none of you on the left seem to give a damn about innocent american citizns being killed or kidnapped in AZ....not a single person the left seems to give a crap about that....no comments about it, the only solution you offer is to reward the illegals with benefits and citizenship."

Wow. I'm concerned about all the crime caused by the mob. Maybe we should start sending people of Italian descent back to Italy. And the crime rate in the inner city is high, maybe we should stop and detain every black on the street. (Actually, a lot of you righties would probably love that one).

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Stillow:

Paleo - So that is your response to the little girl on tv a few weeks ago who asked "where is my daddy"....her father was killed by an illegal immigrant who should never have been here. So that is your answer.......from the all senstivie and caring liberal heart, that was your answer? Its basically to screw AZ citizens....we don't care if you die or get kidnapped....as long as we don't hurt the feelings of illegal immigrants, then you will just have to live with the higher crime and drug running, etc.

You lefties have no shame and no principle. You answer to AZ skyrocketing crime rate is deal with it.

Unbelivable.

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Paleo:

Well, you're saying we should condemn a whole group because of the actions of a few. I'm just giving you other examples where that can be applied.

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Stillow:

I do condemn all illegal aliens as criminals because, NEWSFLASH, they broke the damn law bybeing here. this country has a legal process to become a citizen and come to this country. Breaking our laws is an insult to the very socieity in hwich you wish to live in.

The left does not seem to care that we have these things called laws in this country. You wish to just dismiss them because your feelings tell you soemthing else. The best way to bring chaos to order to not enforce your own laws.

You on the left are telling us we shoudl not enforce the law of the land.....well then why enforce any laws at all? Why enforce tax laws or violent crime laws? Is it because the ends justify the means to you? Because that way of thinking is relative. Maybe me killing my boss is the right thing to do IMO........we will have total anarchy if we ignore our laws and let our feelings rule the day.

This little girl will now be fatherless for th rest of her life....had we protected our border properly that would not be the case. Illegal aliens are criminals by definition for breaking the law to get here. Maybe the reason was noble in there view, but laws must be obeyed...if one begings to pick and choose which laws shoud be followed and which should not based entireely on feeling then we will end up in chaos. A socieity's backbone is its legal system......there has to be rules of conduct and punishments for violating thsoe rules of conduct.

The left offers no solutions, no answers. they simply tell that little girl and tohers like her, to bad, so sad...get over it.

Its also a direct insult to all those who played by the rules to come here, obeyed th laws, etc. Those people came here legally....those people I have the upmost respect for and wish nothing but prosperity for them. But those who disregard the laws, I have no respect for.

We have laws for a reason....do we not?

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Paleo:

"I do condemn all illegal aliens as criminals because, NEWSFLASH, they broke the damn law bybeing here. this country has a legal process to become a citizen and come to this country. Breaking our laws is an insult to the very socieity in hwich you wish to live in."

If you want to condemn them for being here illegally, you could very well have done that. But you brought up the example of a violent crime to tar all of them as violent criminals. If you believe they should all be deported because they came here illegally, that's one thing. But if you want to smear them as violent criminals, as part of some anti-illegal jihad, which includes the profiling of those who are, or look, Mexican, that's another.

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Stillow:

Your missing my entire point. The example of the little girl is just one.....her life would not have been devastated had we simply obeyed our laws and protected our border. All illegals are not violent criminals, but as a consequence of havig illegals here, we get violent criminal swho are indeed illegal aliens. So by allowing illegals to come here, we also allow the ones who are vilent cirminals to come here. Simple border security and proper immigration enforcmeent would help eliminate crime done by illegal immigrants. c He should nto have been in this cuntry....and if he were not, then her dad would still be alive today..

Most latino's are not illegal aliens, but most illegal aliens are latino. That is not racist, its jsut a fact.

If in OK, we started having right wing militia groupps blowing up buildings in protest of g'ment or whatever loony reason they come up with, then 99 percent of those members in those groups would be white males......it makes absolutely perfect sense to me that if that were happening that law enforcment should focus more on white males vs latino females for example, would that not make sense to you? I would not only understand law enforcment keeping a closer eye on white males, but I would demand it.

If women's groups started blowing up men only clubs, then I would expect women to be looked at a bit closer. Would you not?

Step one has to be securing the border, stop the drum smuggling and stop the pouring of illegal aliens into the country. it has to stop. We cannot abosrb the financial drain...espeically right now. Once that is done, we will have to come up with a plan to address the 12-15 million who are here illegally.

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Xenobion:

This is an issue of Federalism. And even if its the Federal Government's responsibility and they're failing at it. Its the state's right to sue the Federal Government, not pass a law in lieu of inaction.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Step one has to be securing the border, stop the drum smuggling and stop the pouring of illegal aliens into the country. it has to stop."

Does jailing people who possess marijuana stop the drug trade in any way? No. Going after the those people is a waste of resources.

The reason there is drug violence is because there are MILLIONS throughout the U.S. who WANT drugs and will pay premium for them.

The reason there are illegal immigrants is because people want work done cheap, and illegals are willing to work for less than it costs to hire someone at McDonalds.

Until we fix those underlying issues, the border/immigration problems will continue.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"stop the pouring of illegal aliens into the country."

The biggest thing that has slowed illegal immigration the past two years has been the slow economy. It was really bad in the middle part of the decade. Do you think it's a coincidence that the housing boom ocurred during that same period? How many illegals came to work construction jobs?

Remove the reason they come here and they'll stop coming.

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Stillow:

aaron - There is no debate that business is partly to blame on this side of the border. I am in support of harsh penalties for businesses who hire illegal aliens.....even up to the removal of there license to do business.

But just because ther eis a demand for soemthing, should not permit the breaking of laws to go unpunished or un-enforced.

There's always a demand for things that may reuslt in the breaking of laws, that does not mean you don't enforce the law.

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jamesia:

Right, enforcing the law is good. However, it seems that the GOP is more interested in law enforcement when it concerns actual citizens. Companies that break the law by hiring illegals are not focused on at all. If you are in support of law enforcement, it needs to be universal.

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Stillow:

Didn't I just say I support harsh penalties on business..........including the suspenstion of their license to do business?

echo!

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Field Marshal:

Stillow,

You are absolutely correct. The left on this board have shown their complete disdain for American citizens. In addition, the democrat party in their standing ovation of Calderon's denouncement of the AZ law shows THEIR lack of principles and disdain for Americans. All these people care about is pandering to the hispanics and illegals to get their future votes. It makes no difference to them if American citizens are killed and hurt in the process. They are such wonderful people.

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Field Marshal:

Jamesia,

I have not seen one republican not vote for some type of harsher immigration enforcement because of wanting more illegals as cheap labor. I think that is a falsehood perpetrated by the mainstream media.

In any event, this law isn't going anywhere according to most legal scholars. In addition, as was said previously, it actually makes the AZ law less stringent since the federal law allows police to question people on citizenship status without any cause at all.

Wow. I'm concerned about all the crime caused by the mob. Maybe we should start sending people of Italian descent back to Italy. And the crime rate in the inner city is high, maybe we should stop and detain every black on the street.

If they are here illegally then they are breaking the law and should be detained and sent back to Italy (which the liberals would love since they are white) and black people sent back to their country of origin.

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Stillow:

FM - Did you see this response on the House floor to the Valderon visit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldx8gZDwZWs&feature=player_embedded

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Field Marshal:

Yeah, that's what i was referring to in my 3:30pm post. A foreign leader attacks the US on the floor of the house and the Dems stand up and applaud. That's just unbelievable to me- almost treasonous. No principles whatsoever. Well, no principles that are congruent with 90% of Americans.

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jamesia:

Stillow, I get what you said, however, there is no GOP proposal for harsh sanctions against business. There is only the support of adding duties to street patrols. That was my point. What you or I think is neither here nor there - the point is that people in power are making ineffective populist laws to make you feel good, and using peoples' natural herding inclination to get you and I to defend our "side".

However, what's astounding is that illegal immigration is mostly spoken of as a national security problem rather than an economic problem. As long as pro-trade policies like NAFTA exist, jobs will be taken from wealthy areas and given to poor areas. It doesn't matter if the poor folks jump the fence and come here, or they stay in Mexico. The "problem", if you view it that way, is capitalism. There are no set of rightwing populist laws that are going to prevent business from seeking low cost labor.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"A foreign leader attacks the US on the floor of the house and the Dems stand up and applaud."

Oh please stop.

Here's what he said from the transcript: "However, I completely disagree with the recent adoption of the law in Arizona. It is a law that not only ignores a reality that can not be erased by decree, but also introduces a terrible idea: using racial features as a basis for applying the law."

OMG, he disagrees. I didn't know disagreeing was an attack.

Do you have any respect whatsoever for a head of state that simply disagrees with you on a particular issue?

You do know that Calderon is a conservative don't you? He's from the PAN, the pro-business party. Mexico is experiencing 4% growth. We wish we had that.

Imagine what would be said by Lopez-Obrador had he been elected in 2006. He wouldn't be speaking to a joint session of congress, that's for damn sure. He would REALLY attack the U.S. in his speeches, and it'd be a bit worse than "I disagree." Probably start talking about imperialism, etc...

Fox and now Calderon have been the most pro-American Mexican leaders in generations.

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Stillow:

aaron - Give mea break. What do you think Calderon would say if we went down and stood in front of his legislature and told them we were going to adopt the same EXACT immigration laws and stances on illegals that they do? H?????????????????? What do you think they'd be saying then?

Mexico's immigration laws and punishment sfor illegals make our system look like a school picnic.

In addition, AZ new law is nearly exaclty what federal law is, but AZ has additonal safegaurds against discrimination.

So lets adopt Mexico's laws on immigration and see how Calderon responds......

So gimme a flippin break...

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Stillow:

Oh and they are pro american becuase one of Mexico's largest revenue sources for its overall economy is mexican workers here sending money back to Mexico.....that is why Mexico does virtually nothing to stop illegal crossings.....there economy benefits from it greatly.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Stillow,

So he can't disagree? The speech was overwhelmingly friendly. Like I said, that was the only line and all he said was "I disagree because of this." I guess it's an insult to our national character to disagree with what one state does.

For someone who has a Mexican wife, you don't seem very aware of that country's politics. In 2006, they nearly elected Andres Manuel Lopez-Obrador, who would have been the equivalent of Hugo Chavez on the other side of the Rio Grande. You can bet that the frontrunners for the 2012 race, Mexico City mayor Marcelo Ebrard or state of Mexico governor Enrique Pena Neito, will be less pro-American than Calderon is. Particularly Ebrard, who as a member of the PRD is more socialist than you even dream democrats of being.

If you actually listen to or read Calderon's speech, you'll see he's in favor of immigration reform that includes border enforcement. He just doesn't want mistreatment of people of Mexican descent.

He also went on about how losing good workers is not good for his country. Some familes in Mexico may benefit from remittances, but it doesn't help GDP. I'd rather have productivity within my country than outside of it.

And don't get all righteous on me... it's not like we don't tell other countries our opinion of what they do, and do it to their face. In some cases, we force them to do what we want. Ask Iraq.

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Aaron_in_TX:

http://www.slate.com/id/2252362

You also shouldn't believe everything you hear on Hannity. Mexico's immigration laws are tough, although many of them originate from the 1917 constitution, written at a time when the possibility of ex-patriots trying to overthrow the government was a legitimate concern.

Like us, they often don't enforce their immigration laws. They have illegals from Honduras, Guatemala, and Cuba. They are often not deported.

It is also looking at just one aspect of their immigration policy. Like us, they welcome immigrants with money, like U.S. citizens that want to retire and spend their money there. There are tariff waivers for that.

They have more than enough poor laborers and don't need any more. Of course they are going to try and keep them out, at least on paper if not in practice.

Calderon also made a dig about bank bailouts, so he criticized things you would too.

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nick283:

Cancelling trips to Seattle because of their recent move to boycott Arizona. Disappointing because I used to live there, but at least for now not going to help that economy. Guess I'll be planning a trip to Lake Havasu instead.

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