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FL: 40% Rubio, 30% Crist, 21% Meek (Rasmussen 8/25)

Topics: Florida , poll

Rasmussen
8/25/10; 750 likely voters, 4% margin of error
Mode: Automated phone
(Rasmussen release)

Florida

2010 Senate
40% Rubio (R), 30% Crist (i), 21% Meek (D) (chart)

Favorable / Unfavorable
Charlie Crist: 56 / 42 (chart)
Kendrick Meek: 41 / 47
Marco Rubio: 51 / 41

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 46 / 55 (chart)
Gov. Crist: 52 / 46 (chart)

 

Comments
Bob in SJ:

Seems about right, Rubios getting a modest post election bounce. I estmaite that when it settles he'll be up on Crist by about five points. Crist has his work cut out for him, fighting a war on two fronts.

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ath716:

"Overall, Rubio gets 73% of the Republican vote, and Crist draws 19% support from his old party. Meek earns 41% support in his own party, while Crist picks up 36% of the Democratic vote. Among voters not affiliated with either party, Crist has a nine-point edge over Rubio"

Rubio is consolidating the GOP vote. Meek is still getting the Democratic party faithful. Independent voters are too diverse to consolidate under one candidate. Things are looking up for Rubio.

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Cederico:

As most commentators on this race thought, Rubio gains from having the DEM vote split between Crist and Meek. In the current lineup Rubio has to be considered the slight favorite.

In the end DEMS will have to coalesce around Crist if they want a chance to keep Rubio from the Senate.

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CompCon:

Watch for the tipping point. Within a few weeks you will see Meek catch up with Crist. When it looks like Crist has no better chance of beating Rubio than Meek then you will see democrats jumping off the sinking Crist ship like a pack of rats.

I think the final outcome will be 55% Rubio, 16% Crist, and 29% Meek.

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Moravej:

If all of Marco Rubio's tax proposals passed, the deficit would increase by about three trillion dollars. He wants to balance the budget but with his proposals it would require laying off at least 3 million workers (probably more).

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CompCon:

"If all of Marco Rubio's tax proposals passed, the deficit would increase by about three trillion dollars. "

Not if we reduce the fricking spending!

What part of, "stop spending so much money" don't you democrats get?

Of course we should listed to a party with a president adding to the deficit at a rate of $2 trillion per year. Yeah - the democrats are the ones to trust to lower the deficit. They screamed about the deficit under bush and then they increased it by 600%.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Funny how UNpopular moderates become over time, even when they once had immense popularity. Like Rudy Giuliani. Now Crist. Everyone says they want moderation, but apparently that's not what they really want.

It's harder and harder to be a moderate nowadays and win.

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Field Marshal:

Aaron,

Read a good paper on just that topic the other day (and of course as i write this i cannot remember the publication). Its thesis was that in times of increased activism in government, voters coalesce around the more partisan, fringe candidates, on both sides and moderates fall away. Moderates do well in good economic times as well as in times with minimal political activism.

Makes sense to me.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"What part of, "stop spending so much money" don't you democrats get?"

What would you cut?

The budget is mostly military, medicare/medicaid, social security, unemployment, and national debt service. I think that's more than 70% right there. You could cut Dept. of Education or National Endowment for the Arts all you want, but those are drops in the bucket.

I would cut huge swaths of our overseas military spending, raise the social security age by 2 years, and start doing actual investigations on the origination of health care costs. That would probably mean revamping the system from the bottom up and particularly looking at the medical device manufacturers and pharmaceuticals. I think it's sad commentary on society that the very best hotels in the world cost less per night than below-average hospitals. If I'm sick, it'd be a better option for me to check in to the presidential suite at The Four Seasons New York. It'd be cheaper than the hospital nearby and at least I'd die in style instead of living with $200K debt and an inability to get further care.

Those aren't politically viable options. We will not draw down our military commitments nor will republicans make really tough choices when it comes to spending. Their consituency is elderly. They are not going to cut medicare one bit. They may try to divert funds from medicaid for it, because they're not big on helping the poor.

Conservative always want to cut the Ed dept. Why I don't know. That's one of the smallest federal departments and they administer student grants/loans. They contribute to the economy pretty mightily. There'd be only about 20% of current students in college today without that.

Defense makes up more than half of discretionary spending. If you ever want to do something about the deficit, that HAS to be the place to start.

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Field Marshal:

Why wouldn't even a low-quality hospital bed cost more per night than the swankiest room in a NYC hotel. The hotel doesn't have to pay for numerous doctors, nurses and other support staff in addition to not having to pay for expensive technology that occupies our hospital beds.

Have you ever been to a hospital room in France or Italy? Unfortunately, I have been. They look like Don Corleone's hospital room in The Godfather. Just a bed and an IV stand. Nothing else. Simply the abundance of lawyers in our country precludes us from paring our hospital rooms down to those levels and thus saving money.

As far as the budget goes, my advice is to cut everything 10% while eliminating some Depts.

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Aaron_in_TX:

Or maybe you'd like to cut the FDA? Bush squeezed it so they never could implement their egg regulations like Clinton wanted. They didn't get implemented until July 2010, too late to stop the current problem that started in April.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129431237

Of course, they are all playing a blame game now. Egg manufacturers saying it's the gov't's fault, gov't saying it's the egg manufacturers fault... etc...

Texas grocers use Texas egg farms, which are unaffected. Part of that 15% that doesn't use those Iowa egg factories I guess. So you can save some money and take away those regulations and get salmonella in the future for all I care. They probably did b/c the Obama admin upped their budget.

FDA is within HHS, which contains most welfare spending within its 78 billion budget. Go ahead and cut it, I know conservatives hate all that b.s.

But go ahead and keep the S650+ billion military budget. That doesn't even count spending on veterans health care, education, etc... And there are a lot of new veterans due to the wars entitled to benefits.

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dpearl:

Start with a couple of well thought out proposals put forward from people on different sides of a partisan issue. When neither has the support to move forward there is a clamor for bipartisan compromise – but a compromise often gives us laws written by committees that lack the integrated benefits of either of the original proposals. Who is associated with those points of compromise that are nearly always the most unpopular aspects of the final law? The moderates.

Perhaps it’s my statistical training, but I’d rather see a group of ideas tested experimentally and go with the one that works best. (I realize there is only a very small set of policy decisions where that is a workable system – I am just trying to point out that compromises don’t always produce the best policy and that might explain the paradox that Aaron pointed out above)

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CompCon:

Obama's first budget was an increase from Bush's $3.1 trillion to $3.6 trillion - an increase of 17%. Obama's second budget Increased it even more - to $3.8 billion.

A 25% increase in 2 years? There's where you can start. Roll back the budget by 25% across the board.

Then Obama spent another $1 trillion or more that wasn't even on the budget. Stop that. No more bailouts, no more wasted "stimulus", no more hundred billion dollar union bribes.

Then repeal and replace the healthcare bill which will add trillions more to the deficit.

Those are a few places to start.

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ErikEckles:

CompCon: Because almost all the longterm increase in government spending is mandatory entitlement spending for an aging population. Yeah, it's not as fun as calling Obama a socialist, but it's the truth.

Which also means, until conservatives renounce their Social Security and Medicare benefits, they have zero credibility on deficit and spending issues.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Have you ever been to a hospital room in France or Italy? Unfortunately, I have been. They look like Don Corleone's hospital room in The Godfather. Just a bed and an IV stand. Nothing else."

Yes. We have luxurious care. Part of the reason it's so ridiculously high. You don't need cable TV, a private bath, etc... For some people it's probably the most luxurious set up they've ever had.

Plus I think all health care employees make too much, up and down. A 2 year nursing degree gets you 50K with great benefits, lots of off time, and there's a ton of nurses on every floor. Another reason it's too expensive. WTF, a 2 year degree? They make 50-100% than the people who teach them, so it's no wonder they can't find nursing instructors and there's a general shortage of nurses. They pay teachers too crappy so no one wants to train them.

Medical assistants make at least $5-7 more an hour than their nearest counterparts in other sectors. I wouldn't have a problem with all that, but they are less educated than their counterparts in other sectors as well. And then the doctor's five minutes can cost you a couple hundred.

We've been acculturated to think health care = luxury care. That's why it needs a top to bottom revamp, but we'll never get it.

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CompCon:

"Which also means, until conservatives renounce their Social Security and Medicare benefits, they have zero credibility on deficit and spending issues."

That's not the government's money - it's mine and the dumbass democrats need to stop the stupidity of saying conservatives shouldn't accept the money back that they were forced to pay into social security and accept medicare coverage that we were forced to pay for - 50 years in advance.

Give me all my money back, reimburse me for the interest it would have earned, and I'll gladly opt out of social security and medicare. Otherwise - that is MY money - not anyone elses.

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Field Marshal:

Give me all my money back, reimburse me for the interest it would have earned, and I'll gladly opt out of social security and medicare. Otherwise - that is MY money - not anyone elses.

Ditto. For some reason most liberals think all money is truly the governments and you are lucky they are allowing you to keep any.

Under almost any scenario, people would be much better off keeping their SS contributions and investing it themselves. Its hard to fathom such a ponzi scheme passing today.

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Bukama:

IT's true - we cannot begin to get a handle on spending looking only at discretionary spending. It's entitlements that have blown the Fed. Gov't budget apart. One way or the other, its going to happen - benefit levels will be dropped in actual numbers, or inflation will be allowed to rage and the effective benefit level will drop (I suspect the latter).

Here is a good chart of where the Fed. Gov't spends our money. http://www.federalbudget.com/

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Field Marshal:

Plus I think all health care employees make too much, up and down.

I would agree. But i think most of the country makes too much, up and down the ladder; from the cashier to the CEO.

Most of healthcares salary issues stems from a supply side issue. We need to encourage more students to choose to become doctors and nurses rather than lawyers, financial analysts and accountants.

Yes. We have luxurious care. Part of the reason it's so ridiculously high. You don't need cable TV, a private bath, etc... For some people it's probably the most luxurious set up they've ever had.

We do have luxurious care. It most likely stems from out litigious society. Not necessarily the TV or private bath but the instrumentation and over-testing.

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MikeyA:

"Plus I think all health care employees make too much, up and down. A 2 year nursing degree gets you 50K with great benefits, lots of off time, and there's a ton of nurses on every floor. Another reason it's too expensive. WTF, a 2 year degree?"

Oh so nurses are the problem? I thought it was the insurance companies?

Tell you what go ahead with a "Nurse tax" and we'll see where that gets you. My God you libs hate anyone who makes good life choices and gets rewarded with job security and benefits for it. And most nurses don't come from high income families.

Health care costs went up for two reasons. 1. the minimums proposed for Medicare drastically overinflated other costs 2. Malpractice insurance, it doesn't pay to be a doctor when you have to pay that out to keep your family earnings safe.

It wasn't due to evil nurses and evil health insurance companies.

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Field Marshal:

Blaming insurance companies for health care costs is akin to blaming supermarkets for food prices.

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Field Marshal:

Blaming insurance companies for health care costs is akin to blaming supermarkets for food prices.

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bonncaruso:

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Watch for the tipping point. Within a few weeks you will see Meek catch up with Crist. When it looks like Crist has no better chance of beating Rubio than Meek then you will see democrats jumping off the sinking Crist ship like a pack of rats.

I think the final outcome will be 55% Rubio, 16% Crist, and 29% Meek."

NOPE.

Meek will fall again and DEMS will move toward Crist in the last 3 weeks. Crist will win by 4 points.

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Farleftandproud:

Crist I think will rebound. Meek will likely get 12 percent in the end, and Rubio will fall too.

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Bigmike:

Best discussion I have seen on here in a while. Kudos to all.

Bukama - I really like the chart.

So why has the dept of Labor spending tripled, or more, in the last two years? That looks like an easy $150 bil cut. HHS has increased 40% in 4 years, most of it in the last two. Should be some easy pickings there for cuts of the same magnitude. And defense spending has to start down on its own, given the huge success of the surge in Iraq.

I know the changes reflect the different philosophies of the current and the former administrations. But both sides should realize we have to start SOMEWHERE.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Oh so nurses are the problem? I thought it was the insurance companies?"

I must not have made my point clearly.

I don't think "nurses" are the enemy, nor do I think that about insurance companies. Insurance companies costs are high too. I never blamed them, although I don't like them all that much.

For one, I think "health insurance" is a misnomer. It has evolved far beyond insurance. Unless you have a catastrophic plan with no co-pay, it's not insurance. It's health financing. We should call it that, but finance sounds less friendly than insurance.

As for nurses, I didn't mean to insult them. They are the beneficiaries of a flawed system. Now that most universities are FINALLY incorporating nursing schools, more people should become nurses and their education to income ratio will not be that great.

There are lots of people who would like to be nurses and are qualified, but can't because they're on 2 or 3 year waiting lists to enroll in training programs that take another 2 years.

If you have nursing certification, it doesn't make sense to work in a community college as faculty. You can make double that as a practicing nurse. Now that most universities are FINALLY incorporating nursing schools (many resisted this for a long time), more people should be able to become nurses and their education to income ratio will lessen. Some people already in the profession might get upset that the pay doesn't increase as much as they'd like, but it will help reduce the shortage and provide more opportunity for more people.

"Tell you what go ahead with a "Nurse tax" and we'll see where that gets you."

I didn't say anything like that. Please don't put words in my mouth. I'll just note that conservatives see teachers as the enemy. We won't get more nurses until we put some more money in education so more people want to be nurse educators.

"My God you libs hate anyone who makes good life choices and gets rewarded with job security and benefits for it."

Care to unpack that? It sounds to me like you're suggesting that people who are liberal make poor "life choices."

I could easily be a nurse. The training doesn't seem beyond my capability and I'd make probably 120% of what I make now. But I'd hate that job. Medical field doesn't interest me. I don't think people should go through life hating their existence. Money's not everything.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"I know the changes reflect the different philosophies of the current and the former administrations. But both sides should realize we have to start SOMEWHERE."

Problem is republicans are not libertarians, although they try to appeal to them. I think a lot of people who vote republican are a lot more libertarian that those who represent them.

Republicans generally don't mind spending money as long as it's on stuff that THEY approve of. And generally they don't approve of giving assistance to people they consider undeserving.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"people would be much better off keeping their SS contributions and investing it themselves."

So they lose everything when the market crashes?

SS was passed when there was massive distrust of the market. Ie: my grandfather on my mom's side. He HATED the f***ing stock market and never ever put his money into it.

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