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LA: 54% Vitter (R), 33% Melancon (D) (Rasmussen 8/30)

Topics: Louisiana , poll

Rasmussen
8/30/10; 500 likely voters, 4.5% margin of error
Mode: automated phone
(Rasmussen release)

Louisiana

2010 Senate
54% Vitter (R), 33% Melancon (D) (chart)

Favorable / Unfavorable
David Vitter: 56 / 37 (chart)
Charlie Melancon: 40 / 51

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 38 / 63 (chart)
Gov. Jindal: 76 / 24 (chart)

 

Comments
Field Marshal:

Conventional wisdom says that will add a point or two to Alex Sink's position and make her a clear favorite at this point. Should be interesting to see the next survey on that.

Dpearl,

Responding to your post from yesterday about Chiles exiting the Gubernatorial race, PPP had some data on it.

From PPP:

Those planning to vote for Chiles on our poll last week:

-Voted for John McCain by a 62/33 margin in 2008
-Disapprove of Barack Obama by a 69/31 margin
-Were 47% Republican, 30% Democratic, and 23% independent
-The only problem with that- 60% of them have an unfavorable opinion of Scott while only 15% see him favorably.

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Paleo:

Outlier. Last two polls had this a 10-12 point race. The extremes of the fav/unfav numbers, 51% have an unfavorable view of Melancon, do 51% even know who he is?, are a tip off. Vitter will likely win, but not by this margin.

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Farleftandproud:

Well I never want to hear the family values argument from a Republican again if Vitter gets re-elected. You had Ensign, Vitter, Larry Craig, Mark Sanford, and Newt Gingrich and more. These are all social conservatives who have done everything to combine religions values into politics. Even though what Edwards and Bill clinton did were wrong, they at least didn't protheletize their faith through politics.

If Gingrich runs for president, in 2012, and Obama beats him, than I think John Edwards deserves another chance in politics, and Elliot Spitzer deserves the attorney general position.

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Farleftandproud:

I can't believe that Vitter wasn't defeated in the primary. They tea bagged two law abiding senators, Bennet in Utah and Murkowski in Alaska. Why didn't the tea baggers do the same to Vitter? Why didn't anyone condemn his lack of morality?

Shame on Louisiana's stupidity. Than again, the oil spill recovery is moving along fairly well, yet there is still work that needs to be done, while Katrina still hasn't recovered.

It is quite obvious that we need education reform, and Louisiana especially has a long way to go when I see polls like this.

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Dave:

Because Vitter is an actual conservative. Murkowski wasn't. It's not hard flappy.

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Field Marshal:

It is quite obvious that we need education reform, and Louisiana especially has a long way to go when I see polls like this.


LOL. Yes, when you see polls with outcomes you don't agree with education is your primary concern. Wow, that's quite pathetic of you FLAP. Next thing you'll be saying is that these people who don't agree with you should be re-educated on their "stupidity." Get a life man.

When i see posts like yours, i think VT needs to invest more in its educational system.

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Farleftandproud:

The Public is so stupid and will regret this down the road. http://www.gallup.com/poll/142730/Americans-Give-GOP-Edge-Election-Issues.aspx

The GOP gave us the defecit which was once a surplus after the war, Obama on immigration: He has deported far more illegals than Bush ever did.

Obama on the economy: If the GOP is going to do such a rosy job of getting us out the recession, I'll be very pleasantly surprised.

NJ has a Republican governor now, and their unemployment record has not changed very much. That is why I see this GOP attack on the economy as alot of hot air.

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cmbat:

Senate after November:

Dems 54
Reps 44
Indies 2

Dems keep the House.

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vincent106:

@cmbat

Keep dreaming!

@Farleft

You're an idiot.

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Farleftandproud:

"Field Marshal:
It is quite obvious that we need education reform, and Louisiana especially has a long way to go when I see polls like this.


LOL. Yes, when you see polls with outcomes you don't agree with education is your primary concern. Wow, that's quite pathetic of you FLAP. Next thing you'll be saying is that these people who don't agree with you should be re-educated on their "stupidity." Get a life man.

When i see posts like yours, i think VT needs to invest more in its educational system"


Vermont usually ranks between 3rd and 6th on education including quality of teachers, class size, and graduation rates among students. Than again, it is a predominately white state, and a very rural state, making it easier to govern.

I don't think just because a state is conservative, doesn't mean the education system is bad. I think ND and SD have a fairly good education system, and I would say much of Colorado seems pretty good. I also think there are some states who practice what they preach like Kansas and Iowa, and their communities reflect strong values. There aren't a lot of casino's or strip clubs there. Louisiana in contrast has tons of casino's, strip clubs and just seems really seedy in parts. I just get a bad vibe from the place. Honestly my appreciation of Mary Landreu, who I didn't care for during the health care debate, has grown, when I have seen just what we have had in that state.

It was the home state of the guy who went on the ACORN witch hunt, and here he is trying to take down a legitimate organization, who Field Marshall would probably not agree with, but they were taken down by a prostitution sting. Instead of going after some organization in California, why didn't that anti-acorn hunter try to take down his own senator?

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Farleftandproud:

Why do people have to call the bloggers idiots? That is not civil. Disagreeing with someone is a lot better than calling them idiots.

Now if Righties want to call Obama or Chuck Schumer an idiot, they are public figures, so that is fair; if lefties want to call Palin or Vitter idiots so be it.

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Fred:

@farleft

Obama has been deporting illegals? Do you mean the people of states such as.....oh, Arizona maybe? I haven't seen Obama doing much of anything when it comes to immigration reform.

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Field Marshal:

I can't says i blame them farleft when you continuously write your bigoted comments about the south like you did today- and do almost everyday.

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John1:

People like Bernie Sanders, Pat Leahy and crazy Howard Dean are from Vermonet which is why I would say the educational system in Vermont is highly suspect.

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Farleftandproud:

Check this out. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2010/0812/Obama-as-border-cop-He-s-deported-record-numbers-of-illegal-immigrants'

George W. Bush for being a law and order governor, deciding to build new prisons and quickly send condemned killers to their deaths, he failed when it came to border security. He couldn't even get an immigration bill through his own party. That is why it is a huge misconception of mass preportion to think that Republicans would hand immigration better than Obama.

Reagan, and Bush 1 all had landmark immigration bills, but George W. never could, because lets face it, he and his brother needed those Latino votes.

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Field Marshal:

Farleft,

Stop being so gullible. Think about why Obama would have deported more than Bush. Its fairly obvious if you use critical thinking skills.

I'm not going to give you the answer because i want you to think for once instead of relying on leftist propaganda to form your own thoughts.

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Farleftandproud:

I would not call the Christian science monitor leftist propaganda. Besides, I don't think any conservative publication, is ever going to say one good word about anything Obama did or tried to do. I think there used to be more praise across party lines, but I think that went out, after 1994 and the Clinton impeachment.

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Field Marshal:

I would not call the Christian science monitor leftist propaganda.

I didn't call the CS Monitor leftist. I called the tripe you retort leftist propaganda which you get from other sources.

Answer my question. Why is it that Obama has deported more people (term-to-date) than GWBush?

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Farleftandproud:

In 1994, many conservative governors and senators won seats and had policies I disagreed with, however they were not anything like what the Tea party has become. They didn't have people like Glen Beck accusing the president of hating white people and they didn't talk so venemously about repealing Obamacare, medicare, social security and Angle even talked about repealing the dept of education.

There is a certain kind of hatred, I didn't see 12 years ago in the GOP. Jesse Helms was probably the most demonized racist of the time, but this year's tea party candidates are way worse than GIngrich, Brownback, John Ashcroft, George Allen, and even Santorum, all up and coming politicians of the mid 90's. Angle, even said she wouldn't have provided aid to victims of hurricane Katrina, and Rand Paul talked about repealing the civil rights ads, and private resteraunt owners could pick and choose who comes into their establishments.

You've got Maes, running for governor in Colorado talking about the growth of bikes used for transportation is a communist conspiracy by the Godless UN. You had a congressman from Texas, saying that "demons have possessed the white house" with the heinous health care bill. You had the same guy, Gohmert talking about Arabs planting children and leaving them at the border to grow up to be terrorists. You had Sarah Palin make up Obama as a agent of death panels, when in fact it was Isaacson, a concervative Republican who brought up end of life counseling.

The list goes on and the GOP becomes more and more bizarre. I think this will eventually cause them to self destruct. I predict that Snowe, Collins and even Scott Brown may consider switching to being Independents, just because the GOP base, everywhere has become so extreme.

The bottom line, is that if the Democratic worst case scenario happens this year, I predict that the GOP's stronghold in congress and senate will vanish in 2, 4 or 6 years. It will happen if Obama is re-elected, and probably happen even moreso down the road, if Obama isn't re-elected.

The demographics in the southwest corner of the US are not in the GOP's favor, if Arizona and other states pass laws that will encourage violence. Likewise, I think that the younger generation of white voters under 30 have more moderate leanings than the Gen Xers did

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Farleftandproud:

I personally think that the reason Obama has deported more people than George W. Bush, is that with the drug wars in Mexico the problem of immigration has increased. Obama is simply doing his job and enforcing the law

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Field Marshal:

I personally think that the reason Obama has deported more people than George W. Bush, is that with the drug wars in Mexico the problem of immigration has increased. Obama is simply doing his job and enforcing the law

And if you thought that you would be wrong.

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Farleftandproud:

Field marshall would say the sky is black while the sky is blue, so I doubt there would be anything he would agree with me on if this is what he thinks.

Getting back to Vitter, I think it is truly ashame they spent all this money running against other GOP candidates who were pretty damn conservative, but not Vitter. If he wins, he will be an embarrasment to the senate for years to come, and I hope Newt runs for president. I would just love to be on a great ad agency to conduct interviews with his ex wives.

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Field Marshal:

Farleft,

Its quite simply. When Bush entered office, there were 5,000 border officers. When he left, we had authorization for 15,000; three times as much. When Bush left office, there were roughly 12,000 border agents with 3,000 more in the process of being hired. Thus, the average size of the security force under Bush was probably near 8,000 (the size of the force was 5000 until mid-2005 when the border became a major issue.

Additionally, the building of the border fence started in late 2006 and is still being built.

The articles are using the number of illegals deported and captured in his first 18 months and extrapolating that out over a complete term and comparing that to Bush.

Obama has had the benefit of these additional resources his entire presidency and its only becoming more robust despite what he and the democratic party secretly want. That is way Obama can take acclaim for deporting more and stopping more illegals from entering the US.

This is why i dislike our educational system. Its not meant to teach people how to think critically but how to memorize and regurgitate what they see and hear from others.

Back to the poll, Vitter will win easily. Yawn.

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AlanSnipes:

@field marshall;
You are saying two contradictory things at the same time.
If Obama wasn't interested in deporting illegal immigrants, then why has he deported more than Bush?
If he wanted to remove some of the increased patrolling, then that would mean he was against deporting illegals.
so, as always, you on the right want to have your cake and eat it too.
You did nothing about immigration reform when you had the power, and don't believe in doing anything about it now. you just want to hammer somebody because you want to spread fear and hatred which is what the right always does. It's the fault of illegals that our economy is bad, etc. Blame someone else. don't tak responsibility for the faCT THAT YOU AND YOUR COHORTS SUPPORTED BUSH AND PUT THE ECONOMY IN THE SITUATION THAT IT IS NOW.
YOU KEPT YOUR MOUTH SHUT WHEN BUSH WAS PRESIDENT, NOW ALL YOU DO IS WHINE, WHINE WHINE, PLAYING THE ROLE OF INNOCENT VICTIM.

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Farleftandproud:

These elections will be much closer than pollsters anticipate. I predict that all of them have decided that Democrats will stay home, and so will poor people and minorities, but with a complete turn around in public opinion, I think at best this race will be a 12 point win for Vitter, and I predict other races are way closer than the pollsters predict. I think this will especially be true in the larger states that tend to be more diverse.

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Manuel Benitez:

How can one report comments?

I have had enough of this guy calling everybody who disagrees with his political views - and even the entire population of a state - uneducated idiots (or racists, bigots, etc.).

Allowing this type of comments reflects very poorly on Pollster.com reputation. It's not civil, it's not intelligent - merely childish insults that should have no place in such a site.

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Field Marshal:

Alan,

I am not. First simply because the funding was provided, the people hired, and the fence started before he took office, it would be tough to reverse. Second, it would be political suicide after the suing AZ for their illegal immigrant law debacle that cost Obama support in the west. A vast majority believe that the border should be sealed and that illegals deported. Thus, if it becomes known that Obama is unsealing it, he would be done in 2012.


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Field Marshal:

Alan,

You can see i responded to the sane part of your post and ignored the absurd and daft part of it which, of course, was 90% of it.

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UpstateConservative:

What part of the post was sane? I dont think there is a hairs worth of difference between alansnipes, melvin and farleftproud. They are all nutty in my book.

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nick283:

Alan, gotta ask, do you just randomly hit the caps lock key at certain points when you post. I know all caps is a brilliant arguing tool, but you really just seem to do it at random points. I mean, you even did it mid-word in your last post.

Bush didn't put us in this mess by the way... People who bought homes they couldnt afford and those who encouraged this kind of reckless borrowing are the ones responsible. Much more Fannie / Freddie and CRA than Bush Cheney.

I definitely don't blame Obama for causing the recession either, but the environment he and his cronies have helped exacerbate it.

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Farleftandproud:

The bottom line is that Vitter could probably be investigated for murder, and he still could win re-election in LA. Unreal.

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Field Marshal:

Farleft,

Do you think Schumer and NY is any different?

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StatyPolly:

Hey, uncle Teddy did commit a murder, but the left happily voted for him over and over. What did they call him? Heart and soul of the left wing of Dem party? Something like that.

"Shame on (New England)'s stupidity...It is quite obvious that we need education reform, and (New England) especially has a long way to go.."

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AlanSnipes:

@nick283:
The Bush administration allowed the situation that enabled people who couldn't afford homes to by them. By not getting in the way of the alleged "free market" caused this situation to happen. Many people, Paul Krugman, for one warned about this situation, for which he was attacked by the right for being un american.
Field Marshall: While you may think that 90% of my post was rubbish, ALL of your posts are. You are batting 100%!
So Nick, Bush didn't put us in this mess but Obama did!
What sophistry. You voted for it, now take some responsibility for what you caused. Typical of the right, they never take responsibility for what they did. They wait until a Democrat takes office and blame him for not being able to fix it right away.
@statpolly: The typical response of the right when someone is accused of something: Well, someone on the left did it too, so that makes it ok.
Kennedy did not committ murder. Nor was he even charged with it. He pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident.
You act like a 12 year old child: na na na na na na. I'm telling mommy.
No, actually a twelve year old child is more mature than that!

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nick283:

Wow, good job Alan. Only ONE word with caps lock on in the entire post and it actually sort of could emphasized.

Have you heard of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These pseudo-government agencies started securitization and encouraged more questionable lending than would have otherwise occured.

Look at the Bush proposal in 2003 to provide for further oversight. Democrats such as Barney Frank stopped this and accused Bush of trying to make housing unaffordable for poor communities.

Have you even looked at the history of this. You had a pseudo government agency pushing for low downpayments etc. on long-term mortgages for people with low incomes and then surprise surprise you had a bubble in housing prices based on people who were buying homes they couldnt afford. When that became clear a wave of foreclosures caused prices to collapse.

By the way you may have missed it, but I said Obama was not responsible for causing this crisis, but Bush wasn't either.

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AlanSnipes:

Yes, I have heard of Fannie and Freddie, they were following the privte marke, not leading it. This crap about Barney Frank has been proven not to be correct over and over.
It's just another excuse to blame anyone but the people in charge at the time: Republicans

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nick283:

2003 after Bush proposed more oversight for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac:

"These two entities—Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac—are not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."

What exactly do you mean by proven not be correct? do you mean you just convinced yourself it never happened?

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Field Marshal:

Nick,

I wouldn't bother arguing with Alan. Clearly he only hears what he wants to hear. I mean you specifically write that it wasn't Obama's fault and he scolds you for blaming Obama. Similarly he blames me for not saying anything when Bush was in power. However, he wasn't here when that was occurring. Maybe the little voices in his head told him so.

Like a few other libies on here, he is way past the point of no return in terms of reasoning.

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Farleftandproud:

To answer someone's question, if a senator from VT or NY was involved with something like Vitter. They would be defeated by a primary challenger, because the people would feel betrayed. Didn't Elliot Spitzer resign when he was caught with a prostitute?

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Farleftandproud:

As for Ted Kennedy, he did not commit murder, he left the scene of an accident and lied to police. For the record he was charged, and investigated, and I believe he lost a civil suit.

Mass, being a Democratic state didn't really want to impeach him, but Ted eventually came out and admitted what he did. Vitter did about the hookers, but what bothers me about Vitter, is I believe he knew that that staffer had beaten up his girfriend and cut her throat, and didn't fire the guy.

If Vitter covered that up, that should be a high crime. Vitter has not come clean about this, and I think he will eventually resign, even if he does get re-elected. On an ethical level, Vitter's record is 0 with all women's groups, and I am not even including issues involving abortion; Vitter has voted against numerous violence against women acts, as well as investigating US military women raped in the line of duty. About a year ago, that came up to a vote, and 8 Republicans voted for the investigation, but not Vitter.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"By the way you may have missed it, but I said Obama was not responsible for causing this crisis, but Bush wasn't either."

The president has very little control over the economy. If he did, we'd have a command economy. The POTUS's most powerful economic weapon is appointment power of the fed chairman, and the fed can at best gently nudge the economy via interest rates.

In an economy that is 70% consumer spending, the only thing that will get it moving again is to get them to spend money. They are doing so but very, very cautiously. Mostly because so much wealth was wiped out with the market and housing crashes. Again, no president could have done much about that and it has more to do with societal expectations and behavior.

But for some reason, the people blame or credit the very representatives they elected not long ago for the economy, even though most economic trends are the result of actions taken several years ago at least.

Jobs have taken longer to come back after every successive recession since the 1970s. I wish the gov't would investigate that.

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Field Marshal:

Great post Aaron and i completely agree. Even congress has little to no control of the expansion of the economy. As far as the jobless recoveries that have materialized in each successive downturn, i personally believe it has to do with government involvement. Mainly, you have perpetual jobless benefits, more onerous regulations added by both parties in congress, and more complex tax issues. Litigation is another aspect which probably bears some responsibility as companies can be sued for virtually anything when they hire and fire an employee causing them to be much more careful in selecting candidates.

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Field Marshal:

farleft,

What evidence do you have that Vitter covered up the crime other than the dislike of the party he is in? Remember, its also alleged that Kennedy and his corrupt cronies attempted to do the same in Chappaquiddick.

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Farleftandproud:

Lefties: You will love the article I found. Has Vitter done anything illegal? Yes he solicitated prostitutes, which in some cities like San Francisco, they have decoys for, and men get fined $1200 and have to take a course like a DWI course. Vitter broke the law.

As for his cover up of the abusive aid, it was unethical for him to keep a man who had slit his girlfriend's throat and held her in imprisonment.

This article is actually written by a writer for a Conservative publication, and even he is upset with vitter's ethics

"David Vitter must go Print this article
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Written by Quin Hillyer
Tuesday, 06 July 2010

U.S. Sen. David Vitter ought not qualify for re-election this week. Instead, after serving out his term, he should slink away in shame.

Far too little attention has been paid to new revelations that the senator retained a legislative aide even after learning the aide attacked a girlfriend with a knife and held her against her will for 90 minutes. It turns out the aide has a record of brushes with the law dating back to the 1990s, a record the senator should easily have discovered once he was apprised of the knifing incident in 2008. Yet Vitter not only kept the aide on his staff, but also assigned this abuser of women to handle women’s issues.

Even for somebody with Vitter’s dodgy record, this abrogation of judgment defies belief. To understand the frightening nature of aide Brent Furer’s attack on girlfriend Nicolia Demopoulos, consider these lines from the June 23 report by ABC News in breaking the story:

The two returned to Furer’s Capitol Hill apartment, the report says. Furer “would not let her leave.” He “pulled on her coat, which caused it to rip,” then “pulled out a knife and stabbed [her] in the hand.” ... He smashed her phone when she tried to call 911, the records say, and he shoved her to the floor when she tried to leave, then held his hand over her mouth and threw her on a bed. ... Furer “grabbed an unknown object and held it under her neck. The suspect asked the complainant, ‘Do you want to die?’ ... After a 90-minute standoff, Furer made her promise not to call police, and then allowed her to leave. She fled to a friend’s house, and was taken by ambulance to the hospital. A slash on her chin took eight stitches to close, the police report says.
Furer already had an arrest record — three DUIs and a cocaine possession arrest. Another time, during a road-rage incident, he hit a motorcyclist with his SUV, breaking the man’s leg. Still, Vitter kept him on staff.

Vitter thus far has survived his infamous ties to the “D.C. Madam,” along with credible accusations of earlier assignations with at least one other call girl. Supporters apparently forgave his moral lapse — and overlooked the fact that paying prostitutes is a crime. Nobody should be in the Senate drafting laws if he is unwilling to abide by them.

In another incident, just last year, Vitter showed his true colors at Dulles International Airport in Washington, D.C., reportedly yelling at an airport worker when told he was late for a plane, pushing open the security door, and (according to one report) “invok[ing] his standing as a senator, delivering a ‘do-you-know-who-I-am’ tirade.”

Vitter’s explosive temper is legendary. His former legislative colleagues long ago dubbed him “Bitter Vitter.” He once lost a lawsuit arising out of a 1993 town hall meeting in which a local Republican activist said Vitter became enraged at her question, pushed aside chairs to confront her, and seized her tape recorder.

For the GOP, the stakes are high. Vitter is an unstable element waiting to go fissile, an embarrassment to his state and his party. Republicans would be in a bind if he attracts no significant primary opponent and then implodes. By rights, he should not run — or GOP leaders should pressure him to defer to another candidate. Otherwise, when Democrats highlight the dangerously abusive aide and Vitter’s other serious character flaws, Louisiana’s sole Republican Senate seat will be as imperiled as a throat held at knifepoint."

[Editor’s Note: New Orleans native Quin Hillyer, a former state chair of the Louisiana Young Republicans, is an award-winning opinion writer for The Washington Times

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Bukama:

I can sort of understand the lefts preoccupation with moral lapses on the right when it smacks of hypocrisy. The left is saying "hey, we may do the same things, but we don't think these so-called moral lapses are serious, while the Republicans have been hitting us on the head about things they themselves do." I mean, I would not expect FLAP to call for Barney Frank to leave the House because he admitted hiring a gay prostitute.

However, while attacking Vitter for hypocrisy is one thing, it seems somewhat absurd to single out Vitter amongst all the Congress people who have been accused but not charged or convicted of illegal behavior to step down from office. That class would include many pols, including many Democrats. Here's a few of the D's:

Barney Frank - prostitution

Bill Clinton - lying under oath, obstruction of justice, sexual abuse of an employee.

Gerry Studds - sex with a teenage intern

John Murtha - unindicted co-conspirator ABSCAM

Gary Condit - sex with intern (maybe killed her).

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Aaron_in_TX:

Dems care somewhat less about the personal issues, probably because they are not the "family values" party.

When a large part of your party's philosophy is religion-based morality, it's a little hypocritical to be approving of a senator who knowingly retained aids who engaged in blatant domestic abuse and patronized a brothel.

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Bukama:

Yeah, but forgiveness is a big part of Christian philosophy. That's why televangelists caught inflagrante can maintain or recover large portions of their flocks.

Add to that that hypocrisy is virtually a condition of being a politician, so all voters left and right have learned to overlook it. Otherwise how could NOW have supported Bill Clinton.

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