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LA: Oil Spill (PPP 8/21-22)

Topics: Louisiana , poll

Public Policy Polling (D)
8/21-22/10; 403 likely voters, 4.9% margin of error
Mode: Automated phone
(PPP release)

Louisiana

Job Approval / Disapproval
Pres. Obama: 35 / 61 (
chart)
Gov. Jindal: 58 / 34 (chart)

Has the oil spill in the Gulf made you more or less supportive of offshore drilling, or has it not made a difference to you?
32% More supportive, 21% Less supportive, 48% No difference

Do you approve or disapprove of how _____ has handled the aftermath of the oil spill?
Gov. Jindal: 70% Approve, 20% Disapprove
Pres. Obama: 32% Approve, 61% Disapprove

Do you approve or disapprove of how George W. Bush handled the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina?
44% Approve, 47% Disapprove

Who do you think has done a better job in helping Louisiana to deal with crisis: George W. Bush or Barack Obama?
54% Bush, 33% Obama

 

Comments
sjt22:

How could a giant oil spill make you more supportive of drilling? I could see having no effect, but really? More supportive?

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boomer40:

Stupid questions get stupid answers.

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Xenobion:

Time heals everything. What's Dick Cheney's approval rating now that he's out of office? Last time he was it was 19%.

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Field Marshal:

+21 on handling of their respective issues. Wow.

How many high-paying rig jobs were lost because of Obama's antics? 25,000? Unbelievable.

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sjt22:
"How could a giant oil spill make you more supportive of drilling?"

I would bet it reduced support, but polled individuals are not completely stupid. They realize the implications of poll results, so they respond as if the question were worded quite differently.

In this case, the responded to the question of "Do you currently support drilling?" because they know that drilling is under attack.

That is the question that should have been asked, so the respondents are smarter than the pollsters or us commenters.

You and I would do the same (maybe we are not dumb, either).

For example, if you asked me if a massacre by our troops caused me to more or less supportive of our troops, my narrative answer would be: "I support our troops despite this. I support them 100% so I cannot support them more. However, if I answer logically with 'no,' that will be interpreted as non-support. Therefore, I will respond that I support our troops more."

Likewise, blacks and progressive could be deeply disappointed in Obama but would still give him a favorable mark because they know that disfavoring Obama will be taken as favoring his opponents.

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Field Marshal:

PPP's generic ballot was out with this poll.

Rep 45%
Dem 42%.

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boomer40:

"They realize the implications of poll results, so they respond as if the question were worded quite differently."

If respondents feel the need to go through these kind of on-the-fly mental calculations and repositionings then it's a stupid question, period.

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Mike E:

"How could a giant oil spill make you more supportive of drilling? "

Recent reports indicate that much of the spilled oil is gone, broken up by waves, currents and tides and eaten by bacteria. This was the biggest oil spill in US history, if its effects were relativly minor people may see that potential environmental down sides are not so devastating. Also, once the right cap was designed, the spill was shut off quickly. People may be thinking that such tool will be immediatly available in the future.

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Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

"How could a giant oil spill make you more supportive of drilling?"

It's Louisiana. One of the most undereducated states in the nation. Let it go. This will be one of the lasts states to turn blue.

They've been brainwashed to think that W was a good President despite Katrina. That about says it all.

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Fred:

Shannon.........no one's been brainwashed to think Bush was a good president. People just see how great Obama makes Bush look.

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Farleftandproud:

Of course the people of Louisiana think Bush did a better job at handling Katrina than the Gulf Oil spill, first off because they are stupid, illiterate, inbred morons and second of all, it reduced the black population. Bush's poor response to Katrina clearly reduced the number of resources to deal with crime, and the black residents rented mostly and had no where to go. Most of them went to Texas and other states.

New Orleans unlike other Southern cities has no civil rights Memorial which is pretty telling of the state. They are a shameful place to live, and if they can re-elect a criminal and whore monger like David Vitter than that is pretty telling about where they are headed.

As for David Jindal, I think the guy is alright, but in general just likes a good photo opportunity.

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Chris V.:

Shannon,Dallas,Texas:

"It's Louisiana. One of the most undereducated states in the nation. Let it go. This will be one of the lasts states to turn blue."

farleftandproud:

"Of course the people of Louisiana think Bush did a better job at handling Katrina than the Gulf Oil spill, first off because they are stupid, illiterate, inbred morons"

If the two of you truly believe in the liberal cause, then never open your mouths (or, if we want to be literal, touch your keyboards) ever again please. Just to be safe, you could wrap your lips around a revolver instead. People like you two do more damage to liberals than Rush Limbaugh and FOX News ever could.

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Mike E:

"It's Louisiana. One of the most undereducated states in the nation. Let it go. This will be one of the lasts states to turn blue."


"Of course the people of Louisiana think Bush did a better job at handling Katrina than the Gulf Oil spill, first off because they are stupid, illiterate, inbred morons"

Louisiana cant be that bad, it didnt vote for Obama.

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nick283:

Wow, after reading what FLAP and Shannon wrote, I've gotta agree with the liberals on the other threads that Krauthammer's article about liberal elitism is just ridiculous. Liberals clearly do not have an elitist attitude toward those with whom they don't agree.

And FLAP, David Jindal (his actual name is Bobby Jindal by the way) is, I'm sure, far more educated than anyone who writes on here. I'm sure you still see him as an illiterate inbred moron though since he disagrees with you. Looks like Krauthammer was right. November can't come soon enough.

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MikeyA:

"New Orleans unlike other Southern cities has no civil rights Memorial which is pretty telling of the state."

The state or the city?

What color was New Orleans mayor during Katrina? Well since you made it clear in other threads that voting patterns determine racial biases we cannot assume that New Orleans has a racial bias because they elected a black mayor.

The state has an indian Governor. How racist is that?

The ignorance on this board is pretty telling.

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Field Marshal:

Agreed Mikey. I find it kind of funny. I sure hope more liberals, especially one's in the spot light say the same sort of things as FLAP, melvin or Shannon.

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boomer40:
"If respondents feel the need to go through these kind of on-the-fly mental calculations and repositionings then it's a stupid question, period."

Exactly. Pollsters often have questions that give untenable choices, have inherent assumptions within the choices or in the question, etc. Several weeks ago I was polled by someone. I objected to several of the questions because they had no possible answer except an essay. In one case, the candidate was DEAD! In every case he said, "I have to read them as they are. Please answer." I nearly hung up in disgust but kept on in case it gave me more examples of how not to estimate public opinion.

I wish someone would do a narrative poll. Example: "What do you think of Obama at this point?" "What do you wish he would do differently, if anything?"

I understand how time-consuming they are, but my professional experience has been that if you want to learn what is going on from someone, it is best not to channel their response, at least at first.

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Bigotry:
"Everyone wants censorship. We just disagree what should be censored."

I will add: Everyone is bigoted. We just disagree about who to slander.

In this case, the bigotry is against the south, or at least white southerners. However, it typically extends to working class whites unless they are union members and sometimes does not exempt union members.

The oddest thing is that almost here are white but often express contempt for large groups of whites. I reminds me of an experience when I was about 12. A black man was telling whites I knew to be KKK material how stupid, shiftless, and worthless blacks were. They listened without saying a word. When he left, one said "stupid nigger," and they all broke into guffaws.

I hate to break it to you, but bad-mouthing other whites does not make you an honorary non-white.

It is passing odd to me that conservatives, who believe in the existence of evil and believe that each person is wholly responsible for what they do (what they think is their business), generally have more faith in the basic good sense and decency of average Americans than do progressives/liberals. Perhaps it is because progressives believe in the perfectability of people, while conservatives believe we are born with much of our assets and that one can change one's behavior but personality and attitudes only change over a lifetime of effort and experience. Hence, conservatives may not like what people do, at times, but they are not impatient for them to change or disgusted when they do not.

Likewise, liberals talk endlessly about diversity, but they really mean racial inclusion in a uniform blend. The want the same mosaic endlessly repeated everywhere. They dislike almost any differences that do not fit their approved list of "differences." Most are city dwellers and are contemptuous of whites in rural areas. Those who are well educated are contemptuous of those less well educated. Those who think they are intelligent find stupidity in every disagreement.

In this

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Farleftandproud:

When the New Orleans Saints began as a football franchise in 1966 the African American players were encouraged not to play with them; not because of the NFL's rules, but for their own safety. Houston, and Dallas and Atlanta had NFL franchises, because there wasn't as much violent attacks on black people as in New Orleans, and even though there was still racism, they were a little more advanced towards integration. Whites everywhere in 1966, and by 69 the Saints started to have more black players on their team, but as you can see, the NFL was wary of having new franchises in southern cities.

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Aaron_in_TX:

"Most are city dwellers and are contemptuous of whites in rural areas."

Liberals used to be from the rural areas. Business minded people in the cities voted republican. Over the past 6 or 7 decades, that has changed.

I'm from a rural area... grew up on a farm to be exact. The area isn't so rural anymore though. Now it's all subdivisions.

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Aaron_in_TX:
Liberals used to be from the rural areas. I'm from a rural area... grew up on a farm to be exact. "

I knew I liked something about you. Well, okay, you also seem to be a reasonable, caring, and tolerant person. There are several liberal commenters I like at this site, just as there are several conservatives ones that seem like interesting people.

I was born in a mountain shack in Appalachian on dirt-poor farm with an honest to God outhouse and no electricity. I got over it, though. What I never got over was experiencing rural poverty first hand and seeing working class people carrying on in the face of daunting challenges. I have to admit when I hear either group slandered it arouses anger I have to fight down.

In any case, city people have always looked down on rubes, hayseeds, country bumpkins, etc. Afer all, our word for civilization comes from cities. Maybe before white flight from cities, conservatives there were just as intolerant as big-city liberals seem to be of rural people today.

A related change is the de-industrialization of cities due to taxation, hostility from city elites, and crime. Now liberal democrats also often look down on working class people, perhaps because the only ones they see that aren't black are policemen and unionized skilled tradesmen, both of whom see yuppies as soft and self-absorbed.

People who work on farms or in factories are as mysterious and exotic to them as evangelicals and thus easy to patronize. With evangelicals, they also demonize and fear them. I find those reactions as contemptible and laughable as I did white racism to blacks when I was growing up. I delivered newspapers to "colored town," developing from that a deep admiration for people who could smile and be friendly to me knowing how many other whites felt about them. I guess I also felt a sympathy for them because I suffered from being on the wrong side of the tracks.

Just as white racists once liked to imagine they were far superior to blacks, so now other bigots today greatly underestimate working people, especially white yuppies looking down on white working people. In my experience, virtue is scattered randomly among all groups.

By the way:
I think movement conservatism has done a much better job of discouraging their dregs than liberals have of discouraging their own bigots and haters. I do not think it is a coincidence that it was a Carnahan staffer (he also worked for a well-known progressive website) who set fire to her headquarters and tried to make it look like a Tea-Party act. The same guy was well-known to Tea-Partiers for harassing and threatening people at its rallies. It says a lot that even now the MSM has not publicized that or similar acts across the country.

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Cyril Washbrook:

Two things:

(1) On the most banal level, it's a well-known fact that "more/less likely" questions on polls cause respondents simply to use the question to reaffirm that they believe something, regardless of whether some event/piece of information actually changed the extent to which they preferred or opposed something. Hence, for some number of respondents, it is safe to assume that the "more/less likely to support offshore drilling" question was treated as a proxy for "do you support/oppose offshore drilling".

(2) Going beyond polling methods, the partisan brain is extraordinarily capable of processing information and engaging in rationalisation. Hence, people can come up with all sorts of logic, such that the Deep Horizon oil spill becomes the basis for a strengthened view that drilling could continue. For example - if they believe (or want to believe) that the Deep Horizon spill wasn't all that bad, they can use that as a justification to say something to the effect of: "this oil spill was worse than the worst-case scenario, but even that doesn't outweigh the benefits that oil drilling delivers to the Louisianan economy - therefore, I think the oil spill has actually justified continuing to drill for oil." (This is by way of example.)

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RussTC3:

PPP (R-l*) should have polled All Adults, not Likely voters, for a question like this.

Looks like more Democrats turned out for yesterday's primary than Republicans: 110,051 vs. 97,238 (with 2,479 voting in the Libertarian Senate primary).

Total turnout was 209,768 with a Dem advantage of +7 over Republicans (53/46). It's plus +6 when grouping Republicans and Libertarians (53/47).

Just to note, the likely sample that PPP (R-l) used has it Republican +1 (46/45).

*R-l -- stands for Rasmussen-lite. I think it's a more fitting designation.

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CompCon:

Wow - farleft has lost his everloving mind. I thought the liberals were supposed to be the ones with respect and compassion. Calling fellow americans a bunch of inbred morons simply because they don't like his hero is one of the most hateful things I've heard on this site in a while.

No wonder Obama is slipping in the polls so badly if this is the way one of his typical supporters talk.

You sane liberals need to stand up and start bitch-slapping people who rant and rave like this in the name of your party and your president. This isn't doing anything except generating more hatred and division.

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Anthony Gonzalez:

To Compcon: Actually Obama sinking in the polls is a number of factors-1) The economy, 2)Republican political strategeries, 3)A demoralized Liberal base and 4)Misinformation being spewed out by people like you and nobody standing up to it. The generating of hatred and division is not the Liberals my friend. It is the brilliant result of an effective strategy being used by the Republican Party to excite the fringe elements of our society. It's exactly the propaganda that works during troubled times. Xenophobia and hatred towards Jews, Muslims, Gays, Feminists, Hispanics, etc, etc is a great get out the vote for people who are nostalgic for the good ol' 50s. Unfortunately, the economy fizzling out only serves to aggrandize these people's power because it lets them hide under a populist guise. Louisiana appears to be suffering from this. Louisianans aren't inbred morons but they are poor, hardworking people and when times go bad, it is usually the poor, hardworking people who fall for these propagandist ploys. I recommend you watch this clip. It's pretty good actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23X14HS4gLk

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