Pollster.com

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Good One.

I for one....am very happy. :)

PLEDGE OF UNITY

The election is over,

The results are known.

The will of the people

Has clearly been shown.

Let's forget the quarrels

And show by our deeds.

We will give our leader

All the help that he needs.

So let's all get together

And let bitterness pass,

I'll hug your elephant

And you kiss my ass

Breaking away from these polls cold turkey is very difficult.

Now let's not get ahead of ourselves.

As soon as I saw the headline, I was excited to see polling data. I am addicted and I don't want to be cured.

ROFLMAO!!!
good one guys ;)

Ha ha ha, now there's proof i'm obsessed.

A) I am obsessed and was totally excited to read these numbers.

B) Please update NC to reflect the AP call!

Jesus, I'm warped, too.

I was kinda hoping to see how bad Barack was kicking Palin's but.

haha! you got me.

It's nice to know that my sickness has lots of company.

Why am I here again?
I always thought after the election I am checking the polls just for fun but it seems I was in denial.

Hello every one
My name is Jeff and I am a poll junkie :((

@political_junki: Want to start a support group? Pollsters Anonymous?

NC blue! Wow 364 baby! LANDSLIDE!

I'm still waiting for that PUSSY KEEPVARED.

BOOMSHACK's STATE GOES BLUE! HAHAHAHAHAA!

Poor boomshak!!! His state is not longer part of the deep south :-) Say hello to the new South, a more diverse south, a more tolerant south. What does the new south states have in common? Inmigration from other states, Hispanic inmigration, and Education :-)

@Andareed:
Sounds like an idea to me :)

On another note, I keep looking at that map and can't believe the bigO has pulled of such a victory, really amazing.

this site becomes a serious addiction to me -- it's like hooking up on some hard Crystal meth or should i say " Crack Cocaine" -- LOL

This is interesting:

"....Gays came back in some polls, but they couldn't pull out a win. Part of the reason is that Obama inspired unprecedented numbers of African Americans to vote. Polls show that black voters are more likely to attend church than whites and less likely to be comfortable with equality for gay people. According to CNN, African Americans voted against marriage equality by a wide margin, 69% to 31%. High turnout of African Americans in Florida probably help explain that state's lopsided vote to ban same-sex weddings."

When Tom Coburn says social conservatism is not dead, he may have a point. And if you think American blacks have some issues with gays, don't get me started with the black immigrants from Jamaica and Africa.

@Batony:
"When Tom Coburn says social conservatism is not dead"

It is not dead, it is half dead.
One step at a time;
NEXT: Supreme Court :)

Hilarious!

By the way, as I recall polling shows that each American age cohort has been more accepting of gay people and gay marriage than the last. So it is just a matter of time.

It is like Segregation and Civil rights.
All these people claiming now to be social conservatives are considered Liberals compared to Con's of 50's. How could somebody be a Social Conservative back then and not be a segregationist?

Gay marriage, abortion, banning guns etc, will just need time, same way that eliminating segregation did.

HA HA!!! Good one Marist. I certainly fell for it.

damn it...anyone know a counselor that might help with my addiction to this site?

No Karl Rove.

I was hoping Obama would not do it, but he is going to give Axelrod a senior advisor position in his White House. That's how Karl Rove went power happy. Hope Axe doesn't do the same.

As a minority I can tell you that homosexuality is viewed as a creation of the weak white man, who forced it on all the other races. Homosexuality equals weakness for males. In DC that's why it is not uncommon at all for black gays to be bashed or even killed as two have been over the past two months by other blacks. Oh and they nearly beat two whites to death too...

I think that blacks and hispanics are a long ways from accepting gay marriage. They have to accept GAYS first. I know people are who they are, but just speaking as a outsider, effeminate gay guys and transsexuals have hurt the cause more than help. And when I say effeminate, I mean the ones who must be the center of attention with their effeminity. It helps if gays are not viewed as freaks. I wonder if Magic Johnson had been truthful, what effect would it have had on minorities? If Oprah would just come out...what effect would that have. I can go on and on....but I'll stop there.

Let's see whether we can start a little thread here:

I will ask this question:

Who will be President Obama's running mate and in effect successor in 4 years time?

i am not addicted, i can quit any time i wanna, i just don't wanna.

they got me too.

btw, according to CNN, the gap between Franken and Coleman BEFORE the recount is down to 342 votes as of now.

@Mark Blumenthal
One open thread a day is all we, the addicted, ask.

You've eloquently compared your last post to a last day in summer camp. I think we have grown into an odd, but very tightly knit community here, and would love to have this place if only to pick apart political bones and stay in touch. FWIW, we are your captive audience now, and you have to deal with us.

:)

Thanks for your great site. Let's keep it open.

MNLatteLiberal:
"You've eloquently compared your last post to a last day in summer camp. I think we have grown into an odd, but very tightly knit community here, and would love to have this place if only to pick apart political bones and stay in touch. FWIW, we are your captive audience now, and you have to deal with us."

I second that!

And one kore thing:
Maybe you can put a disclaimer on the top of the first page. That way , in the heat of discussion, we will be free to use all of our favorite words :-) Also maybe you can Pardon BOOM so we can have our daily dose of fun!

Got me!

I was hoping to open this thread and see Lieberman listed as the GOP front-runner in 2012. But then again, he may not meet their age requirement. Will he be over 70 by 2012?

Addicted.

@Batony:

Learn to accept and respect people just as they are. There are lots of heterosexual men and women out there who also want to be the "center of attention" - as you put it - with THEIR sexuality, and nobody sees that as something to justify discrimination against heterosexuals, do they?

We should finally get rid of those primitive, limited and narrow-minded concepts and clichés of gender roles , because many people, straight and gay, don't really fit into them, and that's a very positive characteristic of human diversity.

So, the most important thing in order to achieve full equality for all is EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION. And I mean an education that puts respect towards others and towards human diversity in the ! center of attention!

Absolutely beautiful. I was so excited to see a new poll, but I suppose I should move on...see you all in a few years, folks.

Batony why don't you just come out?

Batony don't judge gay people by how feminine some you've seen are. I've slept with a few married Christians in my time.

lets face it, none of us here are quitting this thing cold turkey. its just been too intense. im sure that in a month or two we will all disperse and go our own way for the next 2 and a half to 3 years. then we'll be back at it again.

I suggested on the other strand that maybe Pollster would like to publish each of the actual States turnouts and exit polls for comment. Could do one a day for 51 days!

I am still not convinced about the count in Georgia.

And as we are all know Alaska is very very wierd. A favorite daughter and a convicted crook running and - lower turnout. Sorry can't buy it.

That's it! I am going to remove all of my polling sites from my favorites. I am going cold turkey.

ahahahh
another addicted to this site!!

I just read Obama won 1 vote in NE. Is this already included in the 364?

Hanging on by a thread. I like it here.

Go Al Franken!

If Palin is the R nominee in 2012, then the party has truly lost its mind. She would be the right wing Mondale.

I think that Obama should keep Biden and let the other D hopefuls earn the nomination on their own. If he picks someone else in 2012, that person would have too many expectations and would be seen as an heir apparent. I think that would be a negative.

Basil, NW Patrick, kerrch, political_junki and all of you who are still here :),

- Franken is now within 336 votes BEFORE the recount starts. That number keeps going down as the counties and precincts recount and recheck their numbers after the initial "data dumps" acc. to Mark Richie, MN Sec. of State. MPR just ran a great story on the process, Richie to take an hour of phone calls on [N/M]PR manana at noon. Apparently one precinct ran the absentee ballots twice in the initial count, resulting in a 100 vote wider margin.

- I too am very suspicious about GA. CNN handing GA to McCain early on in the evening DESPITE the 61% early vote that featured >56% women and 35%AA makes me wonder just where they found those McCain-lovin'/Palin adorin' sistahs. It just doesn't wash. No way it could've been called and early at that. I smell a rotten peach. Something is rotten in the state of Georgia. Either they recount or we kick them out of NATO! *g*.
- And speaking of grins, watching Hardball, Chris reporting that Palin didn't know that Africa is a continent, what countries are party to NAFTA, or that South Africa is a country. HOLY BLANKING BLANK! I apologize for my inappropriate language, but no euphemism will suffice here! Holy blanking blank, I say again. I am so glad this wounded barracuda is swimming back upstream to Alaska.

There was more I wanted to vent, but I forget :)

It makes sense for us cons to bite on this one. We are already plotting our evil revenge. But libs, you guys should still be hung over or singing kumbaya around a campfire, or whatever it is you guys do. Celebratory Latte, perhaps?

Or maybe I am just in denial on my own addiction.

I fell for this TWO TIMES in ONE day! That's when you know you're addicted!

Re: "PLEDGE OF UNITY"

I love it! Hysterical. Fuuneee. F.D.O. (For Democrats Only)

I gotta nitpick this though. The meter would work better as follows:

"The results are now known."

MN

We're all Georgians. Heh, heh.

Keep the threads coming.

Sure, Bigmike, I'll celebrate with you. The rest of the Dems are busy at work starting to fix the 8 years of dubya ****ing up the country. So I've been appointed as the gentler, kinder and pinker liberal outreacher to the Republican community.

I've had a tough time finding the New Freshly Purged Republicans, though, because all the faux Republican wannabe posers. To make sure I am taking to a real Republican please take the following 3 question test:

1 Sarah Palin
a) great VP candidate or
b) greatest VP candidate EVER?

2 George W Bush
a) great President or
b) greatest President EVER?

3 Fill in the blank: Ira_
a) q
b) n
c) l qaida
d) they're all the same so nuke 'em all as preventive maintenance.

BTW, kids, Franken now within 236!!!!
Gotta love that math!

http://xkcd.com/500/

this is us :-/

its okay... there's news galore... Franken creeping up in MN.... 327 votes behind and Coleman (R)'s lead is shrinking.....

HA! That was good. I was getting ready to trash all those guys headed for Iowa in a couple of weeks. I like JedRothwell's line. Actually, it would be very interesting if they polled Republicans now about 2012.

:) @ Basil.

@ Cousydee, what district are you in?
I have all those "TO HELL WITH BACHMANN" (tm) bumper stickers I made a couple of years back that will have to be re-ordered. I am going to pitch them to the Northern Sun when I get a chance. Might as well profit from the Wacko. (I gave away almost a thousand pro bono in this election cycle.)

Bigmike:
I think having two strong political thoughts, like libs and cons is the best thing for the country. But to be honest I think right now the Conservative side has been hijacked by social-conservatives with the most backwards interpretation of religion.
I liked Obama and his liberal view on social issues that is why I voted for him. That was before McCain picked Palin.
With that ignorant witch hunting jesus freak Baboon on the ticket, it really didnt matter who was running against McCain anymore, I would have voted for Donald Duck to avoid having that moron be the United states second person.

So BigMike! You guys have to have a purge among yourselves first if you really want to have a revenge against the libs. You owe your defeat as much to your selves as to us.
David Forum is bush's speech writer and a staunch conservative, he agrees:

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David Frum: Republicans face fraught choice between two roads to revival
Posted: November 05, 2008, 7:45 AM by Kelly McParland
David Frum, Full Comment, U.S. Politics
In the wake of yesterday’s bruising result, the Republican party faces an excruciating and divisive choice between two very different futures.

The first choice is the choice on display at the excited rallies that cheered Sarah Palin all through the fall. This is a choice to fall back on the core base of the Republican party. The base is almost entirely white, almost entirely resident in the middle of the country, moderately affluent, middle-aged and older, more male than female, with some college education but not a college degree. Think of Joe the Plumber and you see the core of the Republican party.

Republicans have won a string of elections thanks to Joe.

Joe came through in 1994, delivering both houses of Congress to the Republicans. Joe was not enough to elect Bob Dole president, but thanks to him the Republicans kept a dwindling hold on Congress in 1996, 1998, and 2000.

Joe rallied to President Bush after 9/11. Republicans owed their gains in 2002 to Joe. And without Joe, George W. Bush would not have won in 2004.

Joe has not changed much over the past two decades or so. But the country has. The Hispanic population of the United States has almost doubled since 1990. The proportion of white Americans with a college degree has jumped from 22% in 1990 to almost 28 ½% .

In order to keep competitive, the GOP has had to win more and more of the Joe vote. Ruy Texeira, perhaps America’s leading expert on the voting behavior of the white working class, observes that George W. Bush won in 2004 by only 3 points – but won the white working class by 23 points.

This year, an economically squeezed Joe did not come through for the GOP. But once the dust settles, many Republican leaders will urge the party to return to the tried and true. They’ll say: 2008 was an unusual year! Iraq, Bush, Katrina, the financial meltdown, and a too-moderate candidate at the head of the ticket: No wonder we lost! But the messages that won for Reagan in 1980 and Newt Gingrich in 1994 and George Bush in 2002 will win for us again. Taxes – guns – right to
life – patriotism – the formula is all there. Stick to it.

If 60% of the Joe vote is no longer enough, nominate Palin – and win 65%. Or 70%. Whatever it takes.

As I said: that’s one path.

There’s another. It’s the path that begins by facing up to the arithmetic that says – Joe is no longer enough. God bless him, he’s
the GOP base, and no Republican wants to lose him. But he needs reinforcements.

George W. Bush tried to reinforce Joe by appealing to Hispanic voters. But that approach failed, and for predictable reasons: American Hispanics are poor – and they vote majority Democrat for the same reasons that poor people of all races vote Democratic. Bush hoped that he could win Hispanics by (1) granting amnesty to illegal immigrants, (2) expanding federal programs like Medicare and federal education aid, and (3) pressuring banks to relax lending standards to help lower-
income workers to buy homes.

But Bush could not get (1) through Congress – and anyway it alienated Joe, whom Republicans still needed. He did (2), but Democrats outbid him, as they always will. And (3) … well we all know how that ended. If Hispanics benefited disproportionately from the U.S. housing boom (as the early data suggest they did), they are suffering disproportionately from the U.S. housing bust.

There will not be an Hispanic future for the GOP for years and years.

But there is another way to reinforce Joe – and that’s the way so old and dusty as almost to feel new and unexplored.

A generation ago, Republicans dominated among college graduates. In 1984 and 1988, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush won states like California, Pennsylvania and Connecticut – states that have been “blue” for a generation. (America’s least educated state, West Virginia, went for Michael Dukakis in 1988.)

Those days are long gone. Since 1988, Democrats have become more conservative on economics – and Republicans have become more conservative on social issues.

College-educated Americans have come to believe that their money is safe with Democrats – but that their values are under threat from Republicans. And there are more and more of these college-educated Americans all the time.

So the question for the GOP is: Will it pursue them? To do so will involve painful change, on issues ranging from the environment to abortion. And it will involve potentially even more painful changes of style and tone: toward a future that is less overtly religious, less negligent with policy, and less polarizing on social issues. That’s a future that leaves little room for Sarah Palin – but the only hope for a Republican recovery.

National Post

@NW Patrick:
"BOOMSHACK's STATE GOES BLUE! HAHAHAHAHAA!"

fwiw,
boomshack's state HAS ALWAYS BEEN BLUE!

I too miss the banned political prodigy that was boomshak. Who is hugging him now, in his time of need?

Keep us up to date on the Franken count. Looks more encouraging. :)

I've been looking at Limbaugh's website about his reaction to Obama win. But, as usual, his comments are just incoherent jibberish.

Our household does not subscribe to cable, by choice. Would be curious to know what Hannity, Oriely and other conservative pundits have been saying about Obama's big win. Are they angry? Are they conciliatory? Are they in denial?

Would greatly appreciate any responses. Thanks,

Lech

@Lechu

Hannity, for his part, is calling for impeachment.

On the gay issue, it amazes me that minorities could feel contempt for each other. I realize it happens, since there are Jews who hate Blacks and vice versa, but Rosa Parks said that MLK's speech extended to sexual orientation and that he would fight for gay rights too if he were alive.

And as far as "feminine" gays and transsexuals who want to be the center of attention? Um, by that logic, shouldn't Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan be banned from marrying? They get drunk and flash people without panties. What about Paris Hilton and her sex tape? Sorry, but if it was about making a spectacle, celebrity marriages would be illegal, because they don't even wait for pride parades.

Well, you can bet on the 2012 presidency. I know I saw it at Ladbrokes and at least one other site. Last I checked, Obama was odds-on favorite and no one else was below 15/1.

Hi guys,

What a few days! What a change for this country. What a landslide....

It's going to a be an unqiue few years ahead. They are going to be tough, but I am confident we have the right person, putting together the right time. America has got to do some soul searching and get back on track, and this is the most important step you can ask for.

Keep the peace.

good morning Mystic

I agree we have the best guy.

Huge challenges for the US at home and in concert with the rest of the planet.

Interesting info about turnout. I knew a lot of Reps stayed home:

"WASHINGTON (CNN) – A new report from American University’s Center for the Study of the American Electorate concludes that voter turnout in Tuesday’s election was the same in percentage terms as it was four years ago — or at most has risen by less than 1 percent...........................Click here to read the entire report.

The report released Thursday estimates that between 126.5 and 128.5 million Americans cast ballots in the presidential election earlier this week. Those figures represent 60.7 percent or, at most, 61.7 percent of those eligible to vote in the country.

“A downturn in the number and percentage of Republican voters going to the polls seemed to be the primary explanation for the lower than predicted turnout,” the report said. Compared to 2004, Republican turnout declined by 1.3 percentage points to 28.7 percent, while Democratic turnout increased by 2.6 points from 28.7 percent in 2004 to 31.3 percent in 2008.

“Many people were fooled (including this student of politics although less so than many others) by this year’s increase in registration (more than 10 million added to the rolls), citizens’ willingness to stand for hours even in inclement weather to vote early, the likely rise in youth and African American voting, and the extensive grassroots organizing network of the Obama campaign into believing that turnout would be substantially higher than in 2004,” Curtis Gans, the center’s director, said in the report. “But we failed to realize that the registration increase was driven by Democratic and independent registration and that the long lines at the polls were mostly populated by Democrats.”

Some experts also note that national turnout trends may mask higher turnout in swing states with more intensive attempts by both campaigns to get their supporters to the polls. Several large states, including California and New York, had no statewide races and virtually no advertising or get-out-the-vote efforts by either presidential campaign.

According to the report, several Southern states — North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, Alabama, Virginia, and Mississippi — and the District of Columbia saw the greatest increases in voter turnout.

Overall turnout was highest in Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Michigan, South Dakota and North Carolina, according to the report.....................In 2004, 122 million Americans voted in the general election.(cnn.com)

If you haven't already.. I highly recommend reading this. Fascinating stuff.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167581

Only in Oregon:) Portland elects a gay mayor and a tiny town South of Portland elects a TRANSGENDER mayor. We are even shocked in Portland as Silverton is a red little town, or we thought!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/

My evil plan to make Oregon the most liberal state is at last being realized..... MUAHAHAHAHAA.
HA!
LOL

NW Patrick:
More liberal than Ca or Ma? not gonna happen :)

political_junki

You are missing one school of thought. I caught something the other day that Karl Rove said. We have to have answers to the questions people talk about around the dinner table. He's right.

We have to translate our beliefs into policies that will result in peoples kids getting a better education up to and including college, their retirement savings being safer. I don't care if it is Joe, Jose, or any other name (or group), most people have the same basic concerns in their everyday lives.

We have to accept that most voters will not get excited over capital gains or inheritance taxes. We have to talk to them about the things they care about, not the things our dear party leaders care about.

Us hard headed trolls just don't give up that easy. We are already working on taking back some seats in the house and senate in two years. Be ready libs.

Obama didn't really win the election. You all didn't take into account the PUMA and Bradley effect. There were people who told their voting machines that they voted for Obama but were only lying and voted for McCain. You may never know, but PUMA's got their revenge.

"Us hard headed trolls just don't give up that easy. We are already working on taking back some seats in the house and senate in two years. Be ready libs."

I would love it if you guys gain some seats, based on "REAL ISSUES" as you said like people's 401'ks not religious prejudices and other bullshit issues like abortion and gay marriage.

I have no doubt you guys are hard headed. After all almost half of you still think earth is 6000 years old (And dont give me: Not all of us are like that, your guys get elected BECAUSE of people like that).
And I have no doubt that you will gain seats back in Senate, after all many people will vote for Anti-Abortion candidate REGARDLESS of their other stands as a MORAL principle!
I agree with most stands of fiscal conservatism but as long as its engine is social conservatism but I ask you, How do you as a intelligent, educate person, keep an straight face and vote for a ticket with a VP on it:
That believes there is no evolution, that Adam and Eve lived with dainasours? That bible should decide which scientific facts are right or wrong?
I know, you will say "Religion is a funny thing that is why it should be left out of politics"

But when you vote for McCain/Palin ticket, you take into account the fact that McCain may die. And Palin will be president of the USA.
Then in 21th century we will have a president whose line of thought about science is like somebody in 1500's.
As an educated intelligent man How do you vote for such a ticket with clear conscious?

political_junki

"As an educated intelligent man How do you vote for such a ticket with clear conscious?"

It was really not that hard to do. You don't vote based on who is number 2 on the ticket. Our number 1 was much more qualified to be pres than your number 1. Actually, it was a very easy decision for me.

And I know what you are going to say.

1. But dipstick Palin would have been a heart beat away. So. Reagan was up there in years. If we had all been afraid of Daddybush being a heart beat away, we would have missed out on the best pres in the last 100 years.

2. It is a question of McCains judgement as shown with the VP pick. So who else was he gonna pick? He had to fire up the R base, who never really much cared for him. How about Romney you say. I know it isn't right, but do you see the Christian Coalition getting fired up about the Moderate and the Mormon? But he could have picked Huckabee you say? Name one accomplishment of Huckabee's. It's OK. I have all day.

At least Palin had the NG pipeline, which was a topic that was relevant to the political discussion of the day. I will admit Palin was a gamble. He rolled the dice and lost.

I think you may be selling Palin short just a little. My understanding is that one person, probably a member of the other party, claims she made that statement about Adam and Eve and disnosaurs years ago. Did she say that or is that something the other side tagged her with because she believes in Creationism?

I know there are conflicts between a science and believing the bible to be scientifically factual. How each person deals with those conflicts is at least in great part a matter of their religious beliefs.

Do we disqualify someone from public office because of their religious beliefs? Why that would be crazy. It would rank right up there with disqualifying someone based on the color of their skin. Like Colin Powell said, "What if he were a Muslim?" Well, what if she is a fundamentalist Christian?

A little follow up.

You chose to not vote for someone because their religious beliefs don't match yours.

I chose to not vote for someone because they don't understand that raising taxes kills jobs.

Which one of us cast our vote based on real issues?

I do understand that your vote did not depend on that one thing. And I respect that. How about returning the favor?

@bigMike:
I understand I may have been out of line a little. Sorry! I didnt mean to be offensive, I have a soft spot for Palin as you can see :)

For the rest of the points, I have to be heading home,hopefully I will respond as soon as I get home from work! (Will depend on my wife's mood obviously :-) )

The new economy will emphasize building the middle class. The old Reagan style economy has been discredited. Both Greenspan and Arthur Laffer have said that their deregulation beliefs were wrong. We are headed towards a merging of the government and private sector. We will be trading lower growth for greater stability and a greater social safety net. How ironic and appropriate that we will be relying on a president of African descent to make our economy more civilized and humane.

Nice of the Marist organization to tell people to relax and move on from the election and now look at what will happen with a new legitimately elected administration.

Elections make up only part of the process of governing. Now Citizens need to petition government for what they want.

please answer a poll on health care at http://poll.democratz.org

Does it make sense to watch the Bush plutocrats enrich the wealthiest Americans at the expense of the poor and middle classes for eight miserable years, only to now say that the beneficiaries of Dubya's cruel and vast redistribution of wealth should be spared a return to the pre-Dubya tax rate?

Whatever economic theory one uses to justify this argument, it sounds like "Nyah, nyah! We got away with it and you can't touch us!" The public won't buy that.

There has to be some restitution here. Fairness demands it. The obligation of the Dubya-enriched few is not to make the case for their untouchability, but to help society as a whole recover from the catastrophic results of the policies they supported.

To just move money from the pockets of the rich to the pockets of the poor (by reversing the mad Bush tax cuts) is the sort of redistribution that doesn't go very far toward solving structural problems. In itself, it doesn't constitute a policy so much as a gesture of fairness to Dubya's many victims.

Incidentally, if it's so clear to any economic realists that Obama's new tax plan is misguided, how can he have so many distinguished advisors who seem to agree with him? At the very least, it's a matter of disagreement among experts, not a matter of R's being sensible while Obamistas are deluded fools.

When Dubya's yahoos took over the White House, they declared "The adults are in charge." Words cannot express my disgust for those "adults" and their "mature" opinions.

Geez, I too am addicted....

Ok, well...who would have though that after borrowing all that money to give to thier rich contributors the Bushies would empty the till on thier way out the door...masterfull. Now I understand the French Revolution and the guilottine!

I LOVE Coleman's PATRIOTIC statement tht Franken should concede to save tax payer dollars....and that in fact he would have done so in the same position....as the count heads lower...then crosses and goes higher with Franken in the lead...I think Franken should graciously accept Coleman's beau geste!

Lastly about effeminate gay men...it wasn't the gay cops, firemen, marines, dock workers that started the gay revolution at the lonely Stonewall Bar. It was the drag queens......the rest of us were to afraid to come out....so I don't accept that they are lesser by being themselves.

For tehm and others we will reverse Prop 8

Do we really have to shift into lower gear now? Pleeeaaase? What am I going to do with all those extra hours of sleep?

@bigmike

Who are you denigrate religion as an inferior reason to your tax argument? I know several Republicans who voted for McCain because he was anti-abortion. That's an ideological stance, just like creationism vs evolution. Would you invalidate their votes too? Don't be a sore loser - respect everyone that voted and the reasons why they voted that way. I may be a Dem, but I respect your decision. You, apparently, can only exist by denigrating ours.

I'd give anything to see the transcripts of quiet conversations going on between top Republicans for the next few months. Some likely points:

- Palin vs. the GOP at large
- If we'd started bombing Iran in October, would that have done the trick? Why didn't we?
... etc ...

merveilleux

Apparently my good friend political_junki caught my point. I was trying to politely say please don't slam me for voting for the R ticket because you don't agree with Palin's religious beliefs. Maybe polite is not one of my strong points. I will have to say you are correct there. But I am not trying to denigrate anyone.

I voted R because I am closer to McCain on the issues than I am Obama. IF anyone chose to vote D because Palin believes in the book of Genesis, literally, it's OK. You get to do what you want with your vote. It's your right.

Obama won. I can live with that. And he has an extremely tough job ahead of him and he will need all of us to do our part if things are going to get better. I understand that. Even though I make less than $250k a year, in one way or another my taxes are going to go up. Thats what happens when the other side wins an election. They are going to implement policies I may not agree with. I am not gonna lose any sleep over it. We won't go hungry, I won't lose my house, and my job is not in jeopardy in any way.

I will disagree with Obama on many things. While that may disappoint him, he will do what he thinks is right, I am sure.

Being an old fashioned conservative, it stops at the border. Whatever he has to do to deal with the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, I have his back.

And in the congressional elections in 2010 and the pres election in 2012, I am going to take a more active role to try to replace libs with conservatives. Not with a gun, but with telephones, computers, knocking on peoples doors, and finally with my own vote. I get to do as I please with mine too.

@BigMike

I am not against having REAL conservatives as a balance to the rest. But the Bachman's & Palins of the world need to be dumped in the trashheap of white trash nutcases. To a lesser degree I would include the Gingriches who decided that holding on to power was more important than building our nation. Sweep them all aside and build on a positive foundation.....Conservative doesn't mean stupid, uneducated, hostile to the world, no-nothings. BTW, I don't get the feeling that you are in THAT group...need to clean up your camp....

You know they make something for that, It's called Pollacil.

I'll be hosting a P.A. meeting tonight at 8 at your local church basement. Free coffee and donuts. Anyone who thinks their poll addiction has become an unmanageable problem is welcome.

I knew I had a problem when I lost my home because I couldn't stop commissioning polls in Arizona.

bigMike:
"Apparently my good friend political_junki caught my point. I was trying to politely say please don't slam me for voting for the R ticket because you don't agree with Palin's religious beliefs"

Mike: I did catch your point. I thought about it more, and your view made more sense.
I stand corrected my friend!

Yes, good luck big mike. You are going to need it in 2010 and 2012. That's 4 more years of young voters who will be added to the pool of Obama/Dem supporters! HAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAH! I love it!! The poor repub base is dying off, while the dem coalition is getting stronger.

AHAHAHAHA! Serves you clowns right for throwing know-nothing candidates up for election (Bush and Palin). Hmmm, funny, what do they have in common.....oh what could it be? Oh, yes, they are both brainwashed born-agains!! And they both have a hard time with "elitist" subjects, like history, geography, and that oh-so-evil science (gasp!).
Call me crazy, but shouldn't a prerequiste for the most important position on the planet be a rudimentary understanding of those subjects?????

With the election of Obama, the world will finally stop laughing at us. I, for one, look forward to travelling in peace and being proud of my government again. FINALLY!

Excellent! You got me on that one.
Will Boomshak be back for another drubbing in 2012?

deeznutsrepubs:
"AHAHAHAHA! Serves you clowns right..."
"With the election of Obama, the world will finally stop laughing at us. "

I am an atheist, a liberal and a registered democrat.

I abhor Palin and the kind of cheap, fake-populist religious politics she represents and I think it is unlikely we will see a more incompetent president than Bush in our life time.

NOW ALL THAT SAID:

I dont think any of us should give a hoot about the world laughing at us.
Remember:
When Europeans were getting F...ed by Fascists we saved their ass.

When they were shaking like chickens during cold war it was us who protected them.

When ever there is a financial crisis they look at us for stability.

Are we perfect? no but with all our shortcomings we have done in 200 years something they couldnt in 5 times longer than that.

So lets get some perspective, if some snobby European intellectual laughs at us, it shows his own ignorance of history and stupidity. As if they didnt have inquisition and dark ages.

You guys are right, we conservatives have our work cut out for us. Having taken a little time to digest some of the numbers, it was plain ugly.

I spent a little time looking at the R minus D margins and comparing to the last two elections. We improved that number in 3 states compared to 2004. AR, LA, and TN. In WV the number was unchanged. In every other state, even the reddest of the red, we lost ground.

Forget comparing to 2000. Our improvement in 2004 over 2000 is mostly a lack of support for Nader in 04, and not much else.

I don't excpect we will divorce ourselves from the evangelicals. That would be like the Dems cutting ties with the AA community. Cutting your own throat.

My best guess for the future for conservatives is that we will spend a few years wandering in the wilderness trying to figure out who we are and what is important to us and how to translate that in election wins. Our best hope is if a charismatic leader steps up and fills the vacuum. But I don't see such a figure out there today. Mitch Daniels maybe. It is time for a new face one way or another.

Bigmike:
Just to add to your comments:
Which ever party starts investing on Hispanic vote will have the future. It is the fastest growing most under represented voter group.

Hispanic vote decides FL(27), CO(9), NM(5), NV(5). Not to mention many other states that they represent 5-10% of population as well.

@bigmike

Not divorcing from evangelicals will mean Republicans will have to base thier beleifs on Jewish Fairy Tales (ala Bill Maher)...get ove rit..the book was written by superstitious ignorant people ...cultural curiosity not reality or science...build your palace on a foundation of science not religion...