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NY: Same-Sex Marriage (Marist 11/16-17)


Marist
11/16-17/09; 805 registered voters, 3.5% margin of error
Mode: Live telephone interviews
(Marist release)

New York

Do you favor or oppose legalizing same-sex marriage in New York State?
51% Favor, 42% Oppose

 

Comments
Farleftandproud:

Very Impressive considering the fact it failed to pass in Washington and Maine. NY fortunately doesn't have stupid ballot questions that allow citizens to throw their hate at other fellow citizens. I am happy that VT and NY don't do the dumb ballot initiatives on such issues like some other states.

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Field Marshal:

If i remember correctly, Prop 8 had similar polling. Of course, in NY state, it has to be approved by the most dysfunctional state government in the country. Good luck with that.

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Field Marshal:

"NY fortunately doesn't have stupid ballot questions that allow citizens to throw their hate at other fellow citizens."

Yeah, you wouldn't want the people to decide on anything, just inept and ignorant politicians, right?

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IdahoMulato:

It appears some people will tell pollsters they favor legalizing same-sex marriage but do a different thing when in the ballot box. That's why this numbers are not all that believable.

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Quentin Menzel:

The people of my state may support it, but our senate doesn't care much. As a proud New Yorker, I'd like to say that my state government is awful.

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poughies:

Polling on prop 8 IS VERY DIFFERENT than polling on approving on Gay marriage itself.

In early polls, many people against gay marriage were also against prop 8... probably because they simply didn't understand the confusing nature of the ballot question.

See this paper by Lewis and Gossett:
http://74.125.155.132/scholar?q=cache:fFkV9BUENjIJ:scholar.google.com/&hl=en&as_sdt=2000

The fact is those early polls vastly overestimated support against prop 8 because people didn't get what was going on...

What happened late (with the polling inaccuracy)? I don't know. Some form of a Gay Bradley?

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CUWriter:

Live telephone interviews? If NY is like Maine in terms of its social stances, that's good for a few point swing at least on an issue like gay marriage.

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Farleftandproud:

Some of your opinions are quite accurate. I will agree NY has a state government that is dysfunctional. There is nowhere to go but up. I will agree with the fact people vote more conservative on ballot questions regarding same sex marriage, than the polls show. This is because people who tend to vote for Democratic candidates may not change their mind on who they are voting, but on a tough issue like equal marriages, many Democratic leaning voters have 2nd thoughts. I can honestly say I may have voted no two years ago. It took my awhile to think about the issue and make a decision. Ballot questions on contreversial issues during a non-presidential election will tend to bring out a lot of angry conservative voters. That is why nothing like Prop 8 has ever passed.

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Farleftandproud:

Just to answer field Marshall's response, I would like to say that it is not the politicians who agree to allow Gay marriages or even push for them, it is the courts. Cases come before the courts and perhaps in Iowa or Maine, enough judges thought there was nothing unconstitional about allowing people of the same sex to marry. I highly doubt that in Iowa many elected politicians went out of their way to push for that. If it does become a debatable issue, than politicians will debate the issue. I know in VT and Mass. most people would be more likely to re-elect a leader who supported equal marriage. In a state like Iowa or Indiana, no politician would dare touch the issue. Since most Conservatives love states rights, than each state should be allowed to make their own decisions.

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Farleftandproud:

I also wouldn't compare CA to NY as far as attitudes go. Both CA and NY are heavily Democratic states, but California has a larger percentage of self defined Conservatives. In NY, the more conservative areas tend to be rural areas near VT and out in Central and Western NY. Metropolitan NY is quite socially progressive and many suburban areas near Albany have a lot of social progressives. California has a lot more pockets of conservativism. NY has only 2 GOP Congress people left and California has about 15 or more conservative Represenatives. Orange County, and the north of San Diego area as well as eastern CA, from my experience are reminiscent of a red state.

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Xenobion:

Farleftandproud Washington State passed the "Everything but Marriage Act" this last election cycle. Its the 1st referendum based gay rights issue to pass through voters in the Country. Not that that is important since its a civil rights issue and courts should really be dealing with this.

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Stillow:

Ugh, everytime I turn around one of you social libs or social cons are telling me how to live my life.........these issues of perosnal choice frustrate me cus both sides want to control me and my perosnal choices on a wide variety of choices they have no business being involved in......

So frustrating..............

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Field Marshal:

Looks like the NY state senate rejected the bill to allow gay marriage. Can't be blamed on reps this time around since they are the minority.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gay_marriage_ny

I agree with you Stillow. I think the government should get out of the marriage business altogether. No reason for it exists in today's society.

The only thing i don't agree with 'personal choice' argument is when it hurts another human being like with an abortion. But that's a debate for another poll.

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havoc:

All societies have accepted norms that are preferred in law. Heterosexual marriage is an example of this. Everyone is a libertarian when it suits them.

Even behavior that is expressly protected in the bill of rights is limited in practice. There is no right anywhere in the constitution regarding marriage period. It should be up to the citizens of the individual states and their elected officials and not in the courts.

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Stillow:

FM - its just frustrating...on one hand I have the left trying to tell me what I can drive or wheather or not I can own a firearm...on the social right I am told whom I can marry......ugh is all I can say....

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Farleftandproud:

It didn't pass in the NY legislature which didn't surprise me in the slightest. I sort of treasure the state of VT. It is like my mini- socialist motherland in a nation that has been going in the wrong direction for a long time.

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Farleftandproud:

I looked at the other countries besides from some of the red red red states in America who passed constitutional bans on gay marriage. They included, Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia in Europe. It has been a tendancy that communist countries or former ones, are the most homophobic. Fidel Castro actually expelled gays from the country. It is always fascinating to me that communists and Christian conservatives share their homophobia in common.

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IdahoMulato:

If gay people can agree and accept "civil union" and be granted all the rights of marriage people, then they can get traction. That's why the civil union measure passed in Washington. I'm not ever going to vote for or change my mind on "same-sex marriage" but I will welcome civil unionship. Even there're lots og non-Christians who don't accept same sex marriage. Any Christan who vote to authorize same-sex marriage doesn't understand his faith.

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obamalover:

@Stillow

Nobody is telling you what you can drive. If you want to be an inconsiderate jerk and drive a car that gets 5 mpg then you can, but I can still call you an inconsiderate jerk for it. That is my first amendment right.

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obamalover:

@havoc

Actually there is the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment that says all laws must be applied equally to everyone. This includes marriage laws.

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Stillow:

obamalover

Check out some of the taxes on suv's the libs are proposing...they are telling me what to drive by proxy thru higher taxes....call me a jerk if you want, but when I leave the house with my wife and kids, I want to be in a nice big safe SUV....not some little put put car that if the wind blows I will get blown off the damn road.

I promise not to splash gutter water on you as I pass you on your bicycle while driving my big evil jerk of an SUV....!

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obamalover:

Stillow:

Ever heard of rollovers?

And taxes aren't going to prevent someone driving an SUV they just have to pay a little more, but you don't think you should pay for the damage you are doing to the environment?

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havoc:

obamalover:
@havoc

Actually there is the equal protection clause in the 14th amendment that says all laws must be applied equally to everyone. This includes marriage laws.


That would be the argument that conservatives have been making for years. That the defense of marriage act is not enough to protect the states who wish to keep marriage the way it has been for 6,000 years. That is an argument for a constitutional amendment.

So libs define democracy as a handful of activist judges forcing their views on 300 million people. Not surprising at all.

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Thaddeus:

It seems the founders of the constitution even understood it's dangerous to allow 51% of people to make something permanent at even given point in time. Think about internment camps and the like when a state's in a fury.

On a side note, I don't understand the strategy to push so hard now when the vote is so close, the long term trends are on the "gay marriage" side. Wait 5 years until the numbers are 58-42 then crush'em.

Stillow: I agree with the get out of my business stance, but asking one to pay for their choices also goes with personal responsibility. I think cig. taxes to pre-pay for the cancer treatments are ok, folks who eat McDonald's everyday and don't exercise and people who need to live on a muddy Californian hillside or under sea level in a hurricane zone can pay the "free market" rate for their insurance coverage and don't need to be subsidized by my choices to live in a safe place.

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Field Marshal:

I saw a great bumper sticker on a Hummer yesterday. Its said "This car is Green. It runs on Prius'!" LOL!

I agree Stillow. Look at the morons who run California. They have virtually banned certain TVs because they use too much energy. What will be the result? They will just buy the TV in Nevada or online and the state loses it tax revenue. Sooo dumb.

States like CA, NY, VT and other nutty lefty states are going to look like communist-lite states in a decade or two and the people will keep fleeing them.

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Xenobion:

People continue to move to CA and VT. NY is still falling out from the rust belt problems of the 1990's as those industries are becoming dismantled.

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Stillow:

FM - These libs have actually really convinced themselves that driving an SUV is evil....its somehow killing the enviroment. They don't mind Gore buzzing around hte planet on his private jet.....but by God I can't drive my SUV!! Its pure lunacy and many of them actually beleive it, that is the scary part.

Man made global warming has become a fundamentalist religious movement. They ignore all facts, all science and truly beleive man is to blame for everything....its probably stems from a liberal instinct to self lothe oneself.

Can't buy plasma TV's in CA.....it really is insanity. Its difficult to even debate them on this issue because they are so beholden to there flawed view.

You are right, some of these far left states will become communist-lite....

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Xenobion:

Airplane emissions account for less than 2% of total emissions, let Al Gore fly in his plane. He's a high profile person that obviously is campaigning to get his message across. Ignoreing the problem is the problem.

If Republicans really don't care about the environment locally it really doesn't bother me. Texas, Nevada, Indiana are some of the dirtiest most disgusting states I've ever been too. Ever look at the Rio Grande river?

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Stillow:

X - you can blame Mexico for the Rio Grand....I live in NV and we have a glorious landscape here.....dunno where you visisted, but where I am its clean, well kept, etc....despite my evil SUV.

Yes let Gore buzz around o his private jet. The man made global warming hoax is just another angle for liberals to try and control all human behavior......self lothing and in abilityto liv ein reality makes them very dangerous.

Speaking of dirty, have you been to Los Angeles? My God, I'd rather chop both my feet off than to go back there!

Glad your sticking to the same old liberal tlaking points though...republicans hate the enviroment, want to poison the air and water....being one who likes tradition, its good to see you stick with that.

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obamalover:

@ Stillow

Gore also buys carbon offsets, so he is actually carbon neutral. I would have no problem with you driving your Hummer in circles all day as long as you buy carbon offsets to neutralize your carbon footprint.

Secondly, California is the world's 8th largest economy. Seems like those "commies" over in Cali know how to do something right.

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Stillow:

Listen to yourselves.....carbon offsets, carbon neutral....its lunacy. You guys are so blinded by htis fundamentalist movement of yours. Your radicals. Carbon offsets, give me a break. Its a scam...for Gore it snothing more than a money making scheme....as he is profiting hundreds of millions of this hoax and laughing all the way to the bank.......

Climategate was the final nail in hte coffin for anyone who can actually think for themselves. Only the uninformed and radical left still think this is real.

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obamalover:

@Stillow

Unfortunately for you a majority of scientists are liberal, and an extreme minority are conservative according to this Pew poll:
http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=1549

That is why Republicans are the party of ignorance. They are anti-science, which is why scientist hate conservatism and most are liberal according to that poll.

And there is no climategate. All this hoopla from ignorant conservatives is so silly on so many levels. First of all the guy who wrote this e-mail is not the king of climate scientists, and the organization he works for is not the epicenter of climate science. So it hardly shows there is this grand conspiracy of scientists. The idea of which is patently absurd. Furthermore he was talking about unexplained variations in the past few years. In the long term it is undeniable there has been unusually rapid rise in global temperatures.

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Farleftandproud:

What an interesting direction this discussion has turned into. It went from same sex marriages in NY to global warming. Just to add my voice to the discussion, I didn't buy global warming or climate change right away. I have listened to both sides of the arguments. I think that rising rates of skin cancer and melanoma were a big indicator, and more recent photos of the north pole, Alaska, Northern Russia and other polar regions of the world are clearly seeing warming trends. It was about 8 degrees last week in the South Pole, which is supposed to be about -20 on average this time of year. I wanted to believe that the conservative sceptics were correct, but there is just too much evidence to show they are wrong.

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Farleftandproud:

Al Gore was a huge disappointment after the 2000 election. He had many opportunties to have run for president in 2004 and also campaigned on a sea of issues. I would have advised him to oppose Iraq and Bush's heinous energy and environmental polcies. He failed to do much of anything to get even with the people who screwed him over in 2000. Howvever, he did a lot on the international level to bring more awareness to climate change. Someday, he'll be proven right and a lot more people will wish they had listened to him, if it isn't too late for our planet by that time.

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